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13 minutes ago, troph said:

 New Scout EV looks niiiiiiice. Taking reservations now.

They do look nice, but I never buy 1st generation cars because of unkown bugs. I'll be looking to buy a used Scout in 5 years.

Posted
4 minutes ago, mycox said:

They do look nice, but I never buy 1st generation cars because of unkown bugs. I'll be looking to buy a used Scout in 5 years.

I’ve never bought a new EV.

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, royiv said:

Fixed for accuracy.

Whateves. 
 

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the trans lady who bought before he went radical right in fact he was pretty far left then is a swatsika whatever mkay.

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Posted
2 hours ago, troph said:

Whateves. 
 

Elisa Donovan Whatever GIF
 

the trans lady who bought before he went radical right in fact he was pretty far left then is a swatsika whatever mkay.

Don’t worry a sticker makes it all cool.

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My search parameters are basically anything <$50k, non-Tesla. This will be a commuter car (~50 miles/day round trip) and charged at home every night, so not super worried about range/charging time/supercharger access. Just needs to be big enough for my 2 kids to hop in the back and run errands, etc, on the weekends. A little fun to drive would be a plus.

Here's an exhaustive list I've come up with, cars that you can buy right now today and fit my criteria:

  • BMW i4 (lightly used, can't be had new for <$50k)
  • Chevy Blazer
  • Chevy Equinox
  • Ford Mustang Mach E
  • Hyundai Ioniq 5
  • Hyundai Ioniq 6
  • Hyundai Kona
  • Kia Niro
  • Kia EV6
  • Nissan Ariya
  • Toyota bZ4X
  • Volkwagen ID4

Note that Honda has something also, but I personally have beef with Honda and won't consider them.

Off the bat, we're probably most interested in the Ioniqs, Mach E, and the i4. Haven't dug in to research or driven anything yet. Our other vehicle is a Toyota that we've been really happy with but reviewers unanimously shit on the bZ4X. Might still check it out. I had literally never heard of the Nissan until I started this process.

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Posted
5 hours ago, tokamak said:

My search parameters are basically anything <$50k, non-Tesla. This will be a commuter car (~50 miles/day round trip) and charged at home every night, so not super worried about range/charging time/supercharger access. Just needs to be big enough for my 2 kids to hop in the back and run errands, etc, on the weekends. A little fun to drive would be a plus.

Here's an exhaustive list I've come up with, cars that you can buy right now today and fit my criteria:

  • BMW i4 (lightly used, can't be had new for <$50k)
  • Chevy Blazer
  • Chevy Equinox
  • Ford Mustang Mach E
  • Hyundai Ioniq 5
  • Hyundai Ioniq 6
  • Hyundai Kona
  • Kia Niro
  • Kia EV6
  • Nissan Ariya
  • Toyota bZ4X
  • Volkwagen ID4

Note that Honda has something also, but I personally have beef with Honda and won't consider them.

Off the bat, we're probably most interested in the Ioniqs, Mach E, and the i4. Haven't dug in to research or driven anything yet. Our other vehicle is a Toyota that we've been really happy with but reviewers unanimously shit on the bZ4X. Might still check it out. I had literally never heard of the Nissan until I started this process.

that's a good list. Given your needs, it seems like a used Chevy Bolt would also be a good choice. Volvo EX 30?

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Buddy of mine has the Volvo C40 recharge and he really likes it. Interior is definitely Scandinavian if you like that vibe.

Posted

If you have extra change in your couch cushion, a MB EQS is an amazing ride. My coworker somehow got a 2-year lease at $500/month and took me for a ride when my car was in the shop 

The interior is amazing and the seat massage feature is a nice touch. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Superhero said:

If you have extra change in your couch cushion, a MB EQS is an amazing ride. My coworker somehow got a 2-year lease at $500/month and took me for a ride when my car was in the shop 

The interior is amazing and the seat massage feature is a nice touch. 

Damn. That’s a smoking deal unless he did something like put $20k down. I really like the EQS.

Posted
11 hours ago, tokamak said:

My search parameters are basically anything <$50k, non-Tesla. This will be a commuter car (~50 miles/day round trip) and charged at home every night, so not super worried about range/charging time/supercharger access. Just needs to be big enough for my 2 kids to hop in the back and run errands, etc, on the weekends. A little fun to drive would be a plus.

Here's an exhaustive list I've come up with, cars that you can buy right now today and fit my criteria:

  • BMW i4 (lightly used, can't be had new for <$50k)
  • Chevy Blazer
  • Chevy Equinox
  • Ford Mustang Mach E
  • Hyundai Ioniq 5
  • Hyundai Ioniq 6
  • Hyundai Kona
  • Kia Niro
  • Kia EV6
  • Nissan Ariya
  • Toyota bZ4X
  • Volkwagen ID4

Note that Honda has something also, but I personally have beef with Honda and won't consider them.

Off the bat, we're probably most interested in the Ioniqs, Mach E, and the i4. Haven't dug in to research or driven anything yet. Our other vehicle is a Toyota that we've been really happy with but reviewers unanimously shit on the bZ4X. Might still check it out. I had literally never heard of the Nissan until I started this process.

You can get a 1 year old Audi etron w/ 15,000ish miles for $45-50k.  I’ve enjoyed mine because the 250 mile range is more than enough for my commute.

Posted
16 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

that's a good list. Given your needs, it seems like a used Chevy Bolt would also be a good choice. Volvo EX 30?

I think the Volvos are assembled in China. Not a total dealbreaker, but definitely a strike against them given there's plenty of other choices. I kind of forgot about the Bolt. Not sure how I feel about getting something that's already discontinued by the manufacturer.

14 hours ago, Superhero said:

If you have extra change in your couch cushion, a MB EQS is an amazing ride. My coworker somehow got a 2-year lease at $500/month and took me for a ride when my car was in the shop 

The interior is amazing and the seat massage feature is a nice touch. 

Don't think a MB is in the budget.

10 hours ago, HeHateMe said:

You can get a 1 year old Audi etron w/ 15,000ish miles for $45-50k.  I’ve enjoyed mine because the 250 mile range is more than enough for my commute.

That's interesting, may have to check it out.

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Posted (edited)
On 3/20/2025 at 9:24 AM, tokamak said:

I think the Volvos are assembled in China. Not a total dealbreaker, but definitely a strike against them given there's plenty of other choices. I kind of forgot about the Bolt. Not sure how I feel about getting something that's already discontinued by the manufacturer.

Don't think a MB is in the budget.

That's interesting, may have to check it out.

Used EVs (not hybrids) are imo a much easier decision than used ICEs due to the exponential fewer parts. No exhaust, fuel, cooling, transmission systems, just to name a few. I would have no qualms about buying used. 

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We test drove a used 2024 i4 with 2500 miles yesterday. That car is the shit. A pure pleasure to drive. This one was even the lowest trim level. Ultimately, a little bit too small for what we need, unfortunately.

One thing I've learned is that manufacturers are going crazy with all the touchscreen bullshit in cars these days. Don't know if it's just EVs or everything. Either that or I'm getting old. Just give me some fucking buttons. I don't need to be trying to play a video game while I'm driving. The interface in the Mach E in particular is damn near a dealbreaker for us. Just awful.

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Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, tokamak said:

We test drove a used 2024 i4 with 2500 miles yesterday. That car is the shit. A pure pleasure to drive. This one was even the lowest trim level. Ultimately, a little bit too small for what we need, unfortunately.

One thing I've learned is that manufacturers are going crazy with all the touchscreen bullshit in cars these days. Don't know if it's just EVs or everything. Either that or I'm getting old. Just give me some fucking buttons. I don't need to be trying to play a video game while I'm driving. The interface in the Mach E in particular is damn near a dealbreaker for us. Just awful.

It is everything. All cars are going to be like that. It actually simplifies manufacturing and lowers cost for them.

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Posted

Can y'all learn me on leasing? Like leasing 101? I've never leased a car in my life. What I want to do is pay cash and then drive the car into the ground for the next 10 years, which is what we plan to do with this EV. But the dealers are all pushing everyone so hard toward leasing (because of the tax credit I guess?). Can I just lease one, pay the lease for a month, then immediately buy it out? Does it work that way?

Posted (edited)

^^^
Surely you can't be serious. A lease is exactly what the contract says; usually for 24 - 36 months with a down payment.

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Posted
22 hours ago, tokamak said:

Can y'all learn me on leasing? Like leasing 101? I've never leased a car in my life. What I want to do is pay cash and then drive the car into the ground for the next 10 years, which is what we plan to do with this EV. But the dealers are all pushing everyone so hard toward leasing (because of the tax credit I guess?). Can I just lease one, pay the lease for a month, then immediately buy it out? Does it work that way?

 

11 hours ago, mycox said:

^^^
Surely you can't be serious. A lease is exactly what the contract says; usually for 24 - 36 months with a down payment.

Well, you can usually buy your vehicle at the end of the lease period. Overall, leasing with the intention to buy will be the most expensive way to purchase the vehicle. That said, the way the tax credit is currently structured does encourage leasing and it is possible that leasing with a buyout (particularly one that lets you buy before the end of the lease) may be more economical. You'll have to ask about the specifics of the lease terms, particularly in regards to the buyout. 

Posted
11 hours ago, mycox said:

^^^
Surely you can't be serious. A lease is exactly what the contract says; usually for 24 - 36 months with a down payment.

Never looked at a lease contract before. It’s mildly surprising to me if there’s no clause to buy it out early.

Posted
45 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Never looked at a lease contract before. It’s mildly surprising to me if there’s no clause to buy it out early.

Sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't. 

Posted
13 hours ago, mycox said:

^^^
Surely you can't be serious. A lease is exactly what the contract says; usually for 24 - 36 months with a down payment.

In Texas, don't you have to pay the full sales tax on the price of the vehicle?  

Posted
1 hour ago, cabowabo said:

In Texas, don't you have to pay the full sales tax on the price of the vehicle?  

If you purchase the vehicle, yes. If you merely lease the vehicle, no. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

If you purchase the vehicle, yes. If you merely lease the vehicle, no. 

I guess the leasing company actually pays the taxes and its up to them whether to pass that cost to the lessee.  I'm sure most do in the lease payment itself, but I was playing around with the idea of leasing a Rivian and the lessee has to pay the sales tax amount up front.  Makes leasing one a lot less attractive in my opinion.

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So the final decision isn't made but we're kind of zeroing in on the Ioniq 5. I'd want an SEL (middle trim), AWD. I live in Houston so AWD is hardly a must but the AWD has significantly more power, which sounds fun. Problem is, there isn't a single new AWD vehicle on a lot in the Houston area, according to Hyundai's website. Maybe not even in Texas. Not one.

I checked a random Hyundai dealership in Denver, and that dealer alone has 146 in stock and 23 more on the way.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, tokamak said:

So the final decision isn't made but we're kind of zeroing in on the Ioniq 5. I'd want an SEL (middle trim), AWD. I live in Houston so AWD is hardly a must but the AWD has significantly more power, which sounds fun. Problem is, there isn't a single new AWD vehicle on a lot in the Houston area, according to Hyundai's website. Maybe not even in Texas. Not one.

I checked a random Hyundai dealership in Denver, and that dealer alone has 146 in stock and 23 more on the way.

 

Play that deal and the one in Houston against each other. May save money (overall), even making the trip there and back.

Posted
43 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

I guess the leasing company actually pays the taxes and its up to them whether to pass that cost to the lessee.  I'm sure most do in the lease payment itself, but I was playing around with the idea of leasing a Rivian and the lessee has to pay the sales tax amount up front.  Makes leasing one a lot less attractive in my opinion.

Yeah, any company bringing in a vehicle to be leased in Texas has to pay the taxes on it. To some extent or another that gets passed to the lessee. What I'm not entirely clear on is whether the lessee ends up essentially paying the tax twice if they later purchase the car.  

Posted
40 minutes ago, tokamak said:

So the final decision isn't made but we're kind of zeroing in on the Ioniq 5. I'd want an SEL (middle trim), AWD. I live in Houston so AWD is hardly a must but the AWD has significantly more power, which sounds fun. Problem is, there isn't a single new AWD vehicle on a lot in the Houston area, according to Hyundai's website. Maybe not even in Texas. Not one.

I checked a random Hyundai dealership in Denver, and that dealer alone has 146 in stock and 23 more on the way.

I would try test driving one without AWD. EV motors offer so much more instant torque and so much more granular control that AWD might not be as big of deal as you think. Of course, I'm hypocrite with an AWD EV. But I primarily went that route for the extra range rather than extra power or transaction. 

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