Take the L, Pussy (Documenting the Coup Until Trump Concedes)

[Pato del Muerto 52338]

3 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Has Sidney Powell released the Kraken yet? I was promised the Kraken. You'd think it would be advantageous to DOTARD to release the Kraken before the votes get certified.

Nah the votes have to be certified before they reveal their damning evidence, so they can nab all the statewide election officials along with Biden and all of his campaign staff. Stupid lib. 

[Huckleberry 32694]

17 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

lol

Y’all are getting wound up about labels and words playing right into the Republican talking points about liberal stereotypes.

I won’t get into whether or not Latinx is dumb or unnecessary - not my place.

I'm pretty sure nobody's going to disagree that the white liberal shouldn't interject herself into a "Latinx" discussion taking place between two conservative Latinos. 😄

[Neonmoon 38127]

The best people 

 

[UDontKnow 10439]

3 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

The military industrial complex always wins.

I believe the correct way to write that is 'MIC.' The MIC always wins.

[conVINCEd 21468]

53 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The best people 

 

@Vic Mackey

[Sawbonz 27398]

It’s like they’re not even trying 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

The best people 

 

Maybe if she'd act like a competent human being, and did the right thing, she might have a job for a while in the new administration.

[atomheartbevo 89407]

2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

Yeah, I meant ideologically and operationally. Among many other things, I'd welcome them kicking the evangelical and nationalist/racist pieces of shit to the curb. Or at least stop pandering to them. 

They might actually pull in from the libertarian crowd if they kicked the evangelicals to the curb.  Constitution Party - from my limited experience, too many evangelicals.

[TexArcher 37508]

27 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

It’s like they’re not even trying 

 

 

 

The dumbass can't even cheat competently.

 

[Pancho 44454]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The entire Spanish language is built around gender. All nouns have a gender, all verbs have different forms based on gender and plurality, and adverbs and adjectives take different forms to match the gender and plurality of the word they are modifying. 
And the rule is that when there’s mixed gender, the masculine is used. You don’t just change someone’s language because you don’t like it or feel it’s not sufficiently inclusive. 
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tangentially, I watched msnbc most of election night(s).  I was giggling during a segment when Rachael maddow was at the desk, and with her was some black lady whose name I can’t recall- I’ll try to find it.  They get to talking about Atlanta or Philly or maybe just the black vote in general, and the one lady is saying black voters this, black people that, black men, black women, whatever  then Rachael would reply and say African Americans and voters of color, like she’s not allowed to say black.

Edit:  it was joy Reid I believe. 

But she can say Black, that’s the weird part.

I can’t  tell you how many people (colleagues and students) who have said African American in front of me and I stop them and say “you can say Black, you know.”

What’s equally as frustrating is when people use the term People of Color when they specifically mean a certain group of people.  If you mean Black men, say Black men dammit. 

Rant over...back to wherever this thread is discussing. 

[tantric superman 4667]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The entire Spanish language is built around gender. All nouns have a gender, all verbs have different forms based on gender and plurality, and adverbs and adjectives take different forms to match the gender and plurality of the word they are modifying. 
And the rule is that when there’s mixed gender, the masculine is used. You don’t just change someone’s language because you don’t like it or feel it’s not sufficiently inclusive. 

LatinX is about non-binary Mexicans.

Like a character in Almodovar movie.

[washparkhorn 9935]

4 hours ago, Asithappens said:

what if "Latinx" or "Black" or "BIPOC" are how persons request to be identified?

 

This is a good example of dem stupidity, imo. (the gop is stupider, but the dems seem to have this type of stupidity locked down).

So, yeah, there maybe some who wish to be called Latinx. In terms of %, my guess is that it's very small. But hey, let's weaken our position with 99% of the demographic so we can cater to the 1%.

Please let's get some common sense adults to run the Dem party. Please.

You guys get too worked up over this. It's not like they are going to force anyone to write Caucasian again. 

No one in power caters to the identity aficionados, which explains some of the anguish that boils to the top. Most are Resistance (Centrist - 100% Beat Trump).  Their perspective on intersectionality underpinning society is dramatic leap forward for the social sciences. 

And they run nothing

[safe sex 11678]

Prescriptive versus descriptive linguistics talk not going away

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

We all come from Africa. Some of our ancestors just left earlier than others. 

[washparkhorn 9935]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We all come from Africa. Some of our ancestors just left earlier than others. 

I think we all agreed to say, "We all come from Pangea."  

[WhatTheBuck 28705]

14 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

I think we all agreed to say, "We all come from Pangea."  

Anatomically modern humans didn't evolve until long after that broke up. 

But disc 2 of the Miles Davis album is a really sweet groove. 

Edited November 17, 2020 by WhatTheBuck

[Eskimohorn 5613]

This might be for another conversation... what if "Latinx" or "Black" or "BIPOC" are how persons request to be identified? Is it "woke white wash" if we're honoring people's requests (I guess this applies to gender identity and such as well).?

My better half and her side of the family from San Antonio with the hard “no” on Latinx to describe their ethnicity. They think it’s Anglo-filing it.

Also, regular no on “Hispanic” for colonial and descriptive reasons, and to keep Brazilians in the mix.

Also, hell no on Chicano, for political and regional reasons.

Latino was the PC-term decided legally in the 90’s and developed by academics using the common origins and language. Latina to describe female specifically, which matches the entire language. Latino the catch-all or gender neutral. Latinx could be used as an individual preference (i.e. Donna is Latinx).

[Gardner Barnes 1562]

The best people 
 

Well of course she looks like that.

[Sawbonz 27398]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We all come from Africa. Some of our ancestors just left earlier than others. 

And fucked Neanderthals

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20 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

And fucked Neanderthals

and Denisovans.  And you can't tell me the Irish aren't descended from Denisovans.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

To be replaced by what? A new party with a new name where all the former Republican ideologues can find a home? The party name is just a label. I'd like to see them go through some ideological reform and get back to being the party of Lincoln. 

There should be 4 parties. Social liberal/economic socialist, social liberal/laissez faire, social conservative/economic socialist, social conservative/laissez faire.

As it is, we only have 2 of these and it locks economic policy together with completely unrelated social policy.  I'm not sure how it would all wash out, but there are a lot of people that are socially liberal libertarians and a lot of people that would support socialist economics but hate abortion or gay marriage too much.  I think having 4 parties would have us moving in the right direction socially, save for abortion, and would also have us actually getting to good compromise positions on economic policy. 

Although I guess we need a 5th party for completely irrational Trumpists.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

My better half and her side of the family from San Antonio with the hard “no” on Latinx to describe their ethnicity. They think it’s Anglo-filing it.

Also, regular no on “Hispanic” for colonial and descriptive reasons, and to keep Brazilians in the mix.

Also, hell no on Chicano, for political and regional reasons.

Latino was the PC-term decided legally in the 90’s and developed by academics using the common origins and language. Latina to describe female specifically, which matches the entire language. Latino the catch-all or gender neutral. Latinx could be used as an individual preference (i.e. Donna is Latinx).

It should be Latin in English. Not Latino, and thats what led to the creation of Latinx in the first place.  English does not have gender when describing almost every other ethnic or national group generically. Even those that use gender to describe themselves. We could be having this argument about francais and francaise but we just say French. And native French speaking Americans just say French when speaking English and use French terms when speaking French. 

When speaking Spanish, Americans should use Latino as the default because that's what is used.  In spite of the Latinx term coming from Americans of Latin American heritage, much of it is because of English' influence on American Spanish.  If I see a cat of unknown gender, I'm not gonna call it a gatx in Spanish either.  But also gender in Spanish isn't necessarily "gender" and I think that is where the disconnect really happens. Every noun has a gender.  Why does my table have to be a woman?  And my car, she's a she to me, but its still un carro or coche. English speakers don't need to modify Spanish, and Spanish speakers don't need to modify English.  But if we are going to assign fault, Spanish speakers should have never imported Latino into English. Latinx is what you get from that. 

That being said, and like I said before, if an individual wants me to call them Latinx, then I will call that individual Latinx.  And I also think every American should be bilingual in English in Spanish.

[Upgrayedd 5804]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

And fucked Neanderthals

I was drunk and it was closing time

[Hanrahan 1306]

I like blowies.

[Wanker Bob 379]

4 hours ago, Pancho said:

But she can say Black, that’s the weird part.

I can’t  tell you how many people (colleagues and students) who have said African American in front of me and I stop them and say “you can say Black, you know.”

What’s equally as frustrating is when people use the term People of Color when they specifically mean a certain group of people.  If you mean Black men, say Black men dammit. 

Rant over...back to wherever this thread is discussing. 

Semi cool funny story: this white colleague of mine is from south africa and moved over as a kid too. He said when he was applying for colleges he kept putting "african american" on there not realizing what that means in America. 

[Rimbo 25772]

8 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

To be replaced by what? A new party with a new name where all the former Republican ideologues can find a home? The party name is just a label. I'd like to see them go through some ideological reform and get back to being the party of Lincoln. 

If anything like this happens, I think the most likely outcome is that the remaining sane R's join the Democratic Party, and we'll see AOC lead an exodus either into a new left-wing party or a merger with e.g. the Green party.

That said, I don't see from this past election the trend away from the GOP that would indicate that. Trump is obviously a dead end, but in Congressional/Senate elections, the GOP is still very healthy. 

[Hefeweizen 5307]

6 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

And fucked Neanderthals

The very definition of FAAFO.  Tying all the loose ends up.

[DigglerontheHoof 21052]

6 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

And fucked Neanderthals

OG incels

[Gengs1 2583]

The gop isn’t going anywhere, they will morph more into Trumpism then anything. They will dig deeper into craziness with the help of ONA/Parler etc.

They actually did well this election, they gained more house seats and didn’t lose any majority at the state levels, why would they change.

they just need 1 senate seat and they will crush the dems in 2 years for house seats 

[Gatorubet 30083]

and Denisovans.  And you can't tell me the Irish aren't descended from Denisovans.

“We don’t want the Densovians!”

[Texaspython 231]

9 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

The gop isn’t going anywhere, they will morph more into Trumpism then anything. They will dig deeper into craziness with the help of ONA/Parler etc.

They actually did well this election, they gained more house seats and didn’t lose any majority at the state levels, why would they change.

they just need 1 senate seat and they will crush the dems in 2 years for house seats 

This is my fear. Their election was actually very successful.

[immamac 42516]

There needs to be a big 3rd party movement in the legislature. Fuck the executive office. Let the 2 party system rule that. Let's get some damned progressives elected for real and in numbers big enough to take away the majority from either party. 

The GOP isn't fucked up, the rules of the game are just letting them block legislation. Unblock legislation and this country can actually start healing. 

[Gengs1 2583]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

There needs to be a big 3rd party movement in the legislature. Fuck the executive office. Let the 2 party system rule that. Let's get some damned progressives elected for real and in numbers big enough to take away the majority from either party. 

The GOP isn't fucked up, the rules of the game are just letting them block legislation. Unblock legislation and this country can actually start healing. 

If there is a 3rd party, it will just take votes from the Dems, the Rs could shit on their voters dinners and slap their spouse around and they wouldn’t lose any voters 

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, 2022 Election districts for Congress will be drawn by 31 R-controlled state houses to 19 D-controlled state houses.  Governorships tightened up to 26-24 GOP (36 mansions up for grabs in 2022 though).  

We'll have to wait and see the final census numbers next year, but there'll be more seats in those 31 states than ever before, that much we know.  

It's unfair, but Biden will be pinned for what will probably not be a blazing-hot economy by then plus a new re-draw, I think the Republicans take back the House/Speakership.  

Senate is a bigger question mark, Class III is heavily GOP, 20-13 plus Georgia as a question mark.  2 Republicans are retiring for sure (PA & NC).  If the tight presidential election is any indication, Democrat Senators in AZ, NV, and NH are vulnerable.  Republicans in tight states include: GA (assuming they win that one), FL, and WI.  So like this year, it'll probably come down to one seat---my guess is Pennsylvania. All that to say, good chance we have really divided government from 2023-2025. 

Which means we'll probably go to war with somebody in 2023/2024.  

[immamac 42516]

1 minute ago, Gengs1 said:

If there is a 3rd party, it will just take votes from the Dems, the Rs could shit on their voters dinners and slap their spouse around and they wouldn’t lose any voters 

You idiots keep thinking this. When in reality there is no votes. None at all right now. This congress doesn't vote on legislation. There is no legislation happening. If bad legislation got passed it would be easier to hold people accountable. No legislation is getting passed so it becomes a who's team are you on thing. We just proved that people have loyalty to the R or D next to the name in enough numbers that we have to try something else. 

[Asithappens 974]

10 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

You guys get too worked up over this. It's not like they are going to force anyone to write Caucasian again. 

No one in power caters to the identity aficionados, which explains some of the anguish that boils to the top. Most are Resistance (Centrist - 100% Beat Trump).  Their perspective on intersectionality underpinning society is dramatic leap forward for the social sciences. 

And they run nothing

Too worked up? Maybe, but it's typical Dem dumbfuckery.

Maher was right with his Strife of the Party segment. Get some common sense, Dems. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

11 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Yeah, 2022 Election districts for Congress will be drawn by 31 R-controlled state houses to 19 D-controlled state houses.  Governorships tightened up to 26-24 GOP (36 mansions up for grabs in 2022 though).  

We'll have to wait and see the final census numbers next year, but there'll be more seats in those 31 states than ever before, that much we know.  

It's unfair, but Biden will be pinned for what will probably not be a blazing-hot economy by then plus a new re-draw, I think the Republicans take back the House/Speakership.  

Senate is a bigger question mark, Class III is heavily GOP, 20-13 plus Georgia as a question mark.  2 Republicans are retiring for sure (PA & NC).  If the tight presidential election is any indication, Democrat Senators in AZ, NV, and NH are vulnerable.  Republicans in tight states include: GA (assuming they win that one), FL, and WI.  So like this year, it'll probably come down to one seat---my guess is Pennsylvania. All that to say, good chance we have really divided government from 2023-2025. 

Which means we'll probably go to war with somebody in 2023/2024.  

Sinema in Az isn't up until 24

[Gengs1 2583]

11 minutes ago, immamac said:

You idiots keep thinking this. When in reality there is no votes. None at all right now. This congress doesn't vote on legislation. There is no legislation happening. If bad legislation got passed it would be easier to hold people accountable. No legislation is getting passed so it becomes a who's team are you on thing. We just proved that people have loyalty to the R or D next to the name in enough numbers that we have to try something else. 

It doesn’t matter what legislation gets passed by the Dems. The Rs will just whine, complain and lie and it will work. They will blame the Dems for not getting anything done while they have the presidency, rinse and repeat.

The Dems will issue some mandates for masks and lockdowns and they will use that for next 3 years to win seats.

The Dems would get blamed if there was an Astroid coming towards the earth     

[Guest Lobo]

My bad, I had 1 & 3 backwards in Arizona.  It's Kelly that will be up again in 2022.  Could still be a tough hold for Democrats there though. 

[totallynotabuttpirate 5342]

10 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Anatomically modern humans didn't evolve until long after that broke up. 

But disc 2 of the Miles Davis album is a really sweet groove. 

I like you a lot better when you’re not shitting on our CUM dreams. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

My bad, I had 1 & 3 backwards in Arizona.  It's Kelly that will be up again in 2022.  Could still be a tough hold for Democrats there though. 

No, I think it was my bad. You didn't mention Sinema. I forgot Kelly was running for a partial term. I had in my head that McSally was appointed to finish McCain's term, not to hold it until the next election. 

['stache 21758]

I'm a third generation Mexican-American from South Texas. I now live in Oklahoma and am a minority among the Hispanic community. Most Hispanics here are recent immigrants, or children of recent immigrants, and many are from Central and South America as opposed to strictly Mexican. I'm not a fan of Latinx for the reasons this guy explains, and his solution is preferable, in my opinion.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/10/15/20914347/latin-latina-latino-latinx-means

That said, I can observe that Latinx is not being driven by "woke white liberals." I serve on a commission that is all Hispanic people and they voted unanimously to change the name of the commission to include the term Latinx. Our chair is a gay Hispanic who was very vocal about the change. I voted for it. I wasn't going to be the one to play word games with people who speak Spanish regularly and were raised with the language (I can speak very broken Spanish but it was not taught naturally to many in my generation while growing up). An additional observation is that many politically active Hispanics are pretty liberal and are involved or know people involved in the LGBTQ community who feel the word is broader and more accepting. I'm not going to argue with them. I just wish that the solution proposed in my link had been considered before Latinx took off.

I generally use the term Hispanic because that is the term that was used more in my upbringing. I've never referred to myself as a Latino. I'm either Hispanic, Mexican-American, or Tejano. Or colloquially, I can go by Tex-Mex (among friends in context otherwise I might suspect you're just being an asshole if I don't know you very well). I always felt that Latino was more of a term Californians used, same with Chicano. And since I generally use Hispanic more, I can avoid any problems with using Latinx or Latino/a.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Latinx talk not going away

[Huckleberry 32694]

59 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm a third generation Mexican-American from South Texas. I now live in Oklahoma and am a minority among the Hispanic community. Most Hispanics here are recent immigrants, or children of recent immigrants, and many are from Central and South America as opposed to strictly Mexican. I'm not a fan of Latinx for the reasons this guy explains, and his solution is preferable, in my opinion.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/10/15/20914347/latin-latina-latino-latinx-means

That said, I can observe that Latinx is not being driven by "woke white liberals." I serve on a commission that is all Hispanic people and they voted unanimously to change the name of the commission to include the term Latinx. Our chair is a gay Hispanic who was very vocal about the change. I voted for it. I wasn't going to be the one to play word games with people who speak Spanish regularly and were raised with the language (I can speak very broken Spanish but it was not taught naturally to many in my generation while growing up). An additional observation is that many politically active Hispanics are pretty liberal and are involved or know people involved in the LGBTQ community who feel the word is broader and more accepting. I'm not going to argue with them. I just wish that the solution proposed in my link had been considered before Latinx took off.

I generally use the term Hispanic because that is the term that was used more in my upbringing. I've never referred to myself as a Latino. I'm either Hispanic, Mexican-American, or Tejano. Or colloquially, I can go by Tex-Mex (among friends in context otherwise I might suspect you're just being an asshole if I don't know you very well). I always felt that Latino was more of a term Californians used, same with Chicano. And since I generally use Hispanic more, I can avoid any problems with using Latinx or Latino/a.

He goes with e, I prefer u as the gender neutral vowel at the end of words. E is used frequently already, u would cause almost no confusion and still be easily pronounceable.

[immamac 42516]

1 hour ago, Gengs1 said:

It doesn’t matter what legislation gets passed by the Dems. The Rs will just whine, complain and lie and it will work. They will blame the Dems for not getting anything done while they have the presidency, rinse and repeat.

The Dems will issue some mandates for masks and lockdowns and they will use that for next 3 years to win seats.

The Dems would get blamed if there was an Astroid coming towards the earth     

You are a dumbass if you believe this, it is unequivocally false. Legislation gets passed and signed into law. The cool thing about the law is you can whine all you want about it, but the law is the law. 

You would never legislate in a lockdown. That's stupid. You clearly don't understand fundamentally how the government operates. I would recommend you go take a government 101 class at your local community college. 

[Pato del Muerto 52338]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

I'm a third generation Mexican-American from South Texas. I now live in Oklahoma and am a minority among the Hispanic community. Most Hispanics here are recent immigrants, or children of recent immigrants, and many are from Central and South America as opposed to strictly Mexican. I'm not a fan of Latinx for the reasons this guy explains, and his solution is preferable, in my opinion.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/10/15/20914347/latin-latina-latino-latinx-means

That said, I can observe that Latinx is not being driven by "woke white liberals." I serve on a commission that is all Hispanic people and they voted unanimously to change the name of the commission to include the term Latinx. Our chair is a gay Hispanic who was very vocal about the change. I voted for it. I wasn't going to be the one to play word games with people who speak Spanish regularly and were raised with the language (I can speak very broken Spanish but it was not taught naturally to many in my generation while growing up). An additional observation is that many politically active Hispanics are pretty liberal and are involved or know people involved in the LGBTQ community who feel the word is broader and more accepting. I'm not going to argue with them. I just wish that the solution proposed in my link had been considered before Latinx took off.

I generally use the term Hispanic because that is the term that was used more in my upbringing. I've never referred to myself as a Latino. I'm either Hispanic, Mexican-American, or Tejano. Or colloquially, I can go by Tex-Mex (among friends in context otherwise I might suspect you're just being an asshole if I don't know you very well). I always felt that Latino was more of a term Californians used, same with Chicano. And since I generally use Hispanic more, I can avoid any problems with using Latinx or Latino/a.

Chicanx and tejanx por favor y gracias

Edited November 17, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[atomheartbevo 89407]

I don’t even know where this belongs

https://nypost.com/2020/11/16/trump-hails-victory-in-nevada-after-board-tosses-local-election-results/

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President Trump on Monday celebrated what he called a “Big victory” in Nevada after Clark County commissioners declined to certify the election results for a county commission race — though the decision does not directly impact the presidential election results, which commissioners certified.

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“Big victory moments ago in the State of Nevada. The all Democrat County Commissioner race, on same ballot as President, just thrown out because of large scale voter discrepancy. Clark County officials do not have confidence in their own election security. Major impact!” Trump tweeted.

 

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The Clark County Commission, which governs the Las Vegas area, certified the results of the Nov. 3 election with the exception of county commissioner for District C, which was divided by 10 votes.

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The Clark County Commission, which governs the Las Vegas area, certified the results of the Nov. 3 election with the exception of county commissioner for District C, which was divided by 10 votes.

District C voters split 76,586 for Democrat Ross Miller and 76,576 for Republican Stavros Anthony, KLAS-TV reports. Registrar of Voters Joe Gloria told commissioners, “We have found discrepancies that we can’t explain that would cast a doubt on whether or not that margin of victory is solid.”

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Gloria said there were 139 discrepancies in District C, including six people who voted twice, according to local reporters who covered the Monday certification hearing.

The county commissioners asked Gloria to report back on options to rerun the single local election. He said only that race needed to be repeated because “that’s the only race in the entire election we have any concern related to the outcome. And it’s because of the margin,” reported Megan Messerly of the Nevada Independent.

 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don’t even know where this belongs

https://nypost.com/2020/11/16/trump-hails-victory-in-nevada-after-board-tosses-local-election-results/

 

 

Belongs in "the president and his rubes are fucking morons" thread.

[wildcat09 29224]

@immamac you ok, dude? You're being weirdly hostile in response to some fairly anodyne stuff.

[Js1 85095]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I don’t even know where this belongs

https://nypost.com/2020/11/16/trump-hails-victory-in-nevada-after-board-tosses-local-election-results/

 

 

Trump: BIG WIN!

Clark County: Uh, sir, we certified the presidential results.  You still lost. Even if we threw out the 139 ballots with issues, you still lost Clark County by uh, 90,000 votes.

Trump: BIG WIN! DO OVER!