Texas Summer Football Thread

[sdm 847]

Great rule but I'm still waiting on the rule that eliminates scheduling cupcakes, especially of the FCS variety, in November. The sec will be able to further exploit that loophole if they're able to trot their freshman class out there and rest most of their two-deep.

[Machinator 32099]

Connelly previews OU: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-team-previews-2018

As with Oklahoma State, I do figure OU’s S&P+ projections are a bit skewed — not necessarily in the overall ranking (ninth feels about right to me), but in the No. 1 projection on offense and No. 49 projection on defense. Assume more regression on O and more improvement on D.

Also assume OU wins a lot of games. There’s no question that losing Mayfield and company will give a team like TCU, Texas, OSU, or WVU a chance to make up ground. But of those four contenders, only the Mountaineers have a proven QB.

Oh yeah, and at ninth, OU is the projected favorite in every game on the schedule. Only one game (the trip to TCU) is projected within a touchdown.

[BigHorn'13 3363]

So I understand the rationale of riley's offense not skipping much of a beat but... Defense? I haven't seen one gooner share that same view. 

[BigHorn'13 3363]

Also their prediction of 11 wins by Vegas (last I checked) is ridiculous. The conference will be way too wide open this season to predict one team to dominate like that. 

Edited June 18, 2018 by BigHorn'13

[ShowmeyourTDs 1141]

2 hours ago, Machinator said:

Connelly previews OU: https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-team-previews-2018

 

 

That’s it, I’m going to the Texas/blowu game this year.  We are gonna beat those cock munchers in dominant fashion.

[texifornia 56934]

 

[Skyline 325]

2 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

So I understand the rationale of riley's offense not skipping much of a beat but... Defense? I haven't seen one gooner share that same view. 

Connelly’s rationale is that OU played a lot of underclassmen last year on defense and those players will improve through experience next year. 

[BigHorn'13 3363]

The counterpoint-- Mike stoops 

[Newy25 7668]

The best part of the new redshirt rule is you can even play guys at the end of the year after they have acclimated.  Let them enroll, spend some time practicing and lifting then play them in November or in the bowl game. Especially at Texas where our schedule is front loaded. 

[South Austin 52484]

2 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

The counterpoint-- Mike stoops 

The counter-counterpoint:  OU sucks.

[Domedriver 655]

Such anti-Okiefuck hostility!  We should thank them for without their massive suck America would fall apart!

We should be thankful that OU Sucks so hugely that it stops contental drift!

Oh and Fuck Arkiepig, the are like a leach sucking on a corner.

[HtownHorn 14677]

5 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

The counterpoint-- Mike stoops 

The defense is Ruffin McNeil's show now. Stoops is up in the booth saying stupid things into the headset that everyone else ignores.

[pacman 7355]

16 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

The defense is Ruffin McNeil's show now. Stoops is up in the booth saying stupid things into the headset that everyone else ignores.

Ah..the old unplug his headset trick...shit, send some Texas GA up to the booth to plug it back in right before game time 

[HtownHorn 14677]

2 hours ago, pacman said:

Ah..the old unplug his headset trick...shit, send some Texas GA up to the booth to plug it back in right before game time 

I'm sure it's plugged in, just that the rest of the staff don't give a shit about what he says.

[KYHorn 17046]

21 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

The redshirt rule also gives the coaches some options if a draft eligible player wants to get cute and sit out the bowl game. 

I hate it, but I think it's the new normal. If Texas isn't the playoffs, I'd expect guys like Malik and Elliott to sit out.

I think draft eligible players skipping the bowl games was the real behind the scene driver on the redshirt rule change. The AFCA was pushing hard, they knew it was only going to get worse. 

Could you explain what you mean about giving them options? Like they could play some younger guys without worrying about burning a red shirt, or something different?

[billfromlaketravis 11465]

3 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

Could you explain what you mean about giving them options? Like they could play some younger guys without worrying about burning a red shirt, or something different?

Yes, they could play younger guys in the bowl game without burning their redshirts. Had the new rule been in place last season, Leitao for instance almost certainly would have played against Mizzou. Kendall Moore was the only healthy TE on the entire roster.

[jw4381 3072]

I like this new rule. Bowl games just took on a new meaning.

[TreatyOak 16313]

Curious which of the two Freshman QB's do people think will have the more successful career, or do you think that they will be passed by Roshon Johnson? 

[Eggo 3977]

Thompson, but it will take him longer to develop. 

[TreatyOak 16313]

56 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Thompson, but it will take him longer to develop. 

Why Thompson over the more tradiitional passer? Do you think mobility makes Thompson a better fit for Herman's system? 

[Eggo 3977]

I believe Thompson has a higher athletic ceiling than Rising, and can be more of a weapon in the option game. He's what happens when Jerrod Heard actually has to be accounted for in the passing game. 

[Eugene11 379]

12 hours ago, jw4381 said:

I like this new rule. Bowl games just took on a new meaning.

This. The draft prospects sitting out really chaps my hide (however I understand it) but this gives a special new meaning to lower tier bowl games. 

[BigHorn'13 3363]

I'll agree Thompson has better mobility than rising but he's far from a statue. Combine that with his build and arm and I like his chances a lot better. 

[ousux 5597]

This. The draft prospects sitting out really chaps my hide (however I understand it) but this gives a special new meaning to lower tier bowl games. 

It's no biggie if both teams have a roughly equal number of prospective draftees sitting out, but it could really be a competitive advantage/disadvantage some years. This new rule is the best thing the NCAA has done in..umm..help me out here?

[closetojumping 62634]

The word this summer is that the staff thinks they scored big with both recent QB signees. It doesn't sound like they prefer one over the other at this point and they want both to feel involved and embedded in the program. Given the redshirting rules, I think they're going to jump at the chance to play both of them in any sort of blowout they can find. For the first time in a very long time, I am not worried about QB heading into August. 

[Eggo 3977]

Vince Young was 6'5 195 coming out of high school. He took a redshirt to develop. Not saying Casey Thompson is the next VY, but it's hard to say Rising has a better career just becaue he's got like 50 pounds on Thompson as an 18 year old. 

[Viper 12109]

I think everyone is overlooking the real advantage Thompson has over Rising. He doesn't have that mustache. 

[Goodman 3273]

32 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The word this summer is that the staff thinks they scored big with both recent QB signees. It doesn't sound like they prefer one over the other at this point and they want both to feel involved and embedded in the program. Given the redshirting rules, I think they're going to jump at the chance to play both of them in any sort of blowout they can find. For the first time in a very long time, I am not worried about QB heading into August. 

You feel good about Shane and/or Sam? 

[UT Lawnghorn 758]

38 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Vince Young was 6'5 195 coming out of high school. He took a redshirt to develop. Not saying Casey Thompson is the next VY, but it's hard to say Rising has a better career just becaue he's got like 50 pounds on Thompson as an 18 year old. 

So many ridiculous things about this post. lulz.

First, that's not what he said. He said "build and arm." Rising is a better passer and has a much higher ceiling as a passer.  Thompson struggled quite a bit with being consistently accurate in HS.

Second, making a comparison to how much weight VY gained is ridiculous. Thompson's frame could limit how much he can run.  He's 6'0, 190 with a fairly slender frame. He's also already pretty developed physically, so he doesn't have a whole lot of weight to add.  

All that said, I like both a lot and it's tremendous that we got two quality QBs in the same class. They're very different players and the offense would look different with each of them at the helm.  At this point, it's hard to say who will be better because they both have a lot of developing left to do, and who knows what rate each will develop at.

Edited June 19, 2018 by UT Lawnghorn

[closetojumping 62634]

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Edited June 19, 2018 by closetojumping

[closetojumping 62634]

6 minutes ago, Goodman said:

You feel good about Shane and/or Sam? 

I feel like we'll figure the QB spot out. I've had a hard time caring about who it specifically is that gets things done since the Simms/Applewhite experience. 

My view is that Sam Ehlinger has the football smarts of an alzheimer's patient and Buechele has the physical sturdiness of a mobile home in a tornado, so I can't get too worked up about who gets it done or if it is by committee. I just feel like there's depth and therefore optionality and security.

 

[Eggo 3977]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I feel like we'll figure the QB spot out. I've had a hard time caring about who it specifically is that gets things done since the Simms/Applewhite experience. 

My view is that Sam Ehlinger has the football smarts of an alzheimer's patient and Buechele has the physical sturdiness of a mobile home in a tornado, so I can't get too worked up about who gets it done or if it is by committee. I just feel like there's depth and therefore optionality and security.

 

 

Did you say committee?

Spoiler

 

[TreatyOak 16313]

14 minutes ago, UT Lawnghorn said:

So many ridiculous things about this post. lulz.

First, that's not what he said. He said "build and arm." Rising is a better passer and has a much higher ceiling as a passer.  Thompson struggled quite a bit with being consistently accurate in HS.

Second, making a comparison to how much weight VY gained is ridiculous. Thompson's frame could limit how much he can run.  He's 6'0, 190 with a fairly slender frame. He's also already pretty developed physically, so he doesn't have a whole lot of weight to add.  

All that said, I like both a lot and it's tremendous that we got two quality QBs in the same class. They're very different players and the offense would look different with each of them at the helm.  At this point, it's hard to say who will be better because they both have a lot of developing left to do, and who knows what rate each will develop at.

Agreed that is impossible to predict what will happen. I watched Garrett Gilbert in HS and thought we had landed lightning in a bottle. Thompson and Rising sure both seem like they have great upside, but the list of players that washed out is long and illustrious. 

[TreatyOak 16313]

17 minutes ago, UT Lawnghorn said:

So many ridiculous things about this post. lulz.

First, that's not what he said. He said "build and arm." Rising is a better passer and has a much higher ceiling as a passer.  Thompson struggled quite a bit with being consistently accurate in HS.

Second, making a comparison to how much weight VY gained is ridiculous. Thompson's frame could limit how much he can run.  He's 6'0, 190 with a fairly slender frame. He's also already pretty developed physically, so he doesn't have a whole lot of weight to add.  

All that said, I like both a lot and it's tremendous that we got two quality QBs in the same class. They're very different players and the offense would look different with each of them at the helm.  At this point, it's hard to say who will be better because they both have a lot of developing left to do, and who knows what rate each will develop at.

But, Lawnghorn, if you absolutely had to choose, which would you bet on, based on the very limited sample you have witnessed?  Also, have you ever stated whom would you prefer between Sam and Shane?  

[TreatyOak 16313]

13 minutes ago, Eggo said:

 

Did you say committee?

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Genius-type stuff

[ousux 5597]

So many ridiculous things about this post. lulz.
First, that's not what he said. He said "build and arm." Rising is a better passer and has a much higher ceiling as a passer.  Thompson struggled quite a bit with being consistently accurate in HS.
Second, making a comparison to how much weight VY gained is ridiculous. Thompson's frame could limit how much he can run.  He's 6'0, 190 with a fairly slender frame. He's also already pretty developed physically, so he doesn't have a whole lot of weight to add.  
All that said, I like both a lot and it's tremendous that we got two quality QBs in the same class. They're very different players and the offense would look different with each of them at the helm.  At this point, it's hard to say who will be better because they both have a lot of developing left to do, and who knows what rate each will develop at.

No way we hang onto both for the duration of their college careers, just hope the right one sticks around. At this point I don't think anyone knows which one that is..

[Fud 9552]

 

[UT Lawnghorn 758]

Just now, TreatyOak said:

But, Lawnghorn, if you absolutely had to choose, which would you bet on, based on the very limited sample you have witnessed?  Also, have you ever stated whom would you prefer between Sam and Shane?  

I'd tentatively pick Rising over Thompson. 

I'd much more confidently pick Sam over Shane, although I think both will be relied on this year.  If Sam can cut down his turnovers/bone head plays even just by half this year, he'll be a significantly better option than Shane.  Sam moved the ball much better than Shane did last year.  Also, Sam fits what the staff wants to run better and Herman/Beck showed last year they're not very willing to adjust what they want to do.

[joeycovers 391]

6 minutes ago, Fud said:

 

I know LV wants to protect itself from the public money of UT but they must really love us to be 7/1. Tied for #11 in country.

 

They also love the B10 and SEC

[TreatyOak 16313]

8 minutes ago, UT Lawnghorn said:

I'd tentatively pick Rising over Thompson. 

I'd much more confidently pick Sam over Shane, although I think both will be relied on this year.  If Sam can cut down his turnovers/bone head plays even just by half this year, he'll be a significantly better option than Shane.  Sam moved the ball much better than Shane did last year.  Also, Sam fits what the staff wants to run better and Herman/Beck showed last year they're not very willing to adjust what they want to do.

Great post. I'd also pick Rising over Thompson simply because Thompson looked less sure throwing the ball in HS.  Of course, it's hard to say how they will develop and Thompson looked like he had an extra gear in the Spring game. (which can come in handy knowing our line, lulz)  

I also prefer Sam, but I am biased, having watched him develop since Pop Warner. I am hoping he cuts down on his turnovers, but as it has been noted on this site, Favre, whom is his idol, never entirely eliminated his mistakes. Sam is a gambler by nature and will pull off incredible plays, but his style will always have risk associated with it. IMHO, it IS fair to compare Sam to VY or Colt, simply because he is the first QB since Colt that has exhibited the same kind of moxie.

Has there ever been an era of such forgettable QB in UT history since Colt has left?  

Is there anyone else here besides me who thinks that Colt's greatest play was his tackle of the OU DB who picked off his pass and preserved our victory?   

[TreatyOak 16313]

19 minutes ago, UT Lawnghorn said:

I'd tentatively pick Rising over Thompson. 

I'd much more confidently pick Sam over Shane, although I think both will be relied on this year.  If Sam can cut down his turnovers/bone head plays even just by half this year, he'll be a significantly better option than Shane.  Sam moved the ball much better than Shane did last year.  Also, Sam fits what the staff wants to run better and Herman/Beck showed last year they're not very willing to adjust what they want to do.

Lawnghorn, I am looking forward to when your LT QB Card gets here. That boy can ball, and this is coming from a Westlake homer. 

[Katfid54 8630]

1 minute ago, TreatyOak said:

Lawnghorn, I am looking forward to when your LT QB Card gets here. That boy can ball, and this is coming from a Westlake homer. 

Not to answer on his behalf, but this gif comes to mind:

[UT Lawnghorn 758]

4 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

Lawnghorn, I am looking forward to when your LT QB Card gets here. That boy can ball, and this is coming from a Westlake homer. 

http://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/profile/1117-longhorn94/

[TreatyOak 16313]

7 minutes ago, Katfid54 said:

Not to answer on his behalf, but this gif comes to mind:

Haha

[Napoleon 8675]

The great thing about the new red shirt rule is that the two freshman can alternate being the #3 QB and/or the #2 QB if/when Sam or Shane gets hurt.

A freshman QB can come in for a drive or two, or even a quarter, because one QB got hurt and the other is sputtering and needs to sit out a series or two (Shane more likely than Sam). Then the next week, the other QB is the designated "backup". Have the kids play in 4 or fewer games and they still have 4 years of eligibility.

This new rule is awesome (for us) in many ways.

[Bevo 13576]

5 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

Has there ever been an era of such forgettable QB in UT history since Colt has left? 

Well, I am friends with Shannon Kelley and Peter Gardere so yeah.

[Valmy77 13226]

Quick name all the UT QBs between James Street and James Brown!

[Bevo 13576]

19 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Quick name all the UT QBs between James Street and James Brown!

Kind of a troll post but....

https://www.ranker.com/list/best-texas-longhorns-quarterbacks/ranker-college-football

[Domedriver 655]

Well with out cheating the ones I remember:

Marty Akins

John Aune

Mark McBath

Randy McQuechern

Donnie Little

Rick McIvor

Robert Brewer

Peter Gardere

Todd Dodge

 

Edited June 20, 2018 by Domedriver

[Valmy77 13226]

Ah man, good old Marty Akins and his mustache.