Fire Joe Biden

[tantric superman 4667]

Okay, I get it, he was in the Obama Administration.

The Obama Administration that basically led to huge gains in Republican legislative seats and, in part, the Trump Administration.

I'm just going through my Law360 feed and reading an article on the DOL folks to watch in the Biden Admin.  5 of 6 worked in the Obama Administration. 

I voted for someone to hire good assistant coaches.  I don't want someone to install the triple option. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21063]

Man, I miss triple option/wishbone dominant cfb.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Kamala will take care of that.  

[formermav43 4599]

So there’s this and the “recruit” thread from yesterday too. How is it that you’re able to do so much day drinking? 

[USMCHorn 1369]

So you want Joe to hire people in national government that have never worked during the Obama or Trump Administrations? So basically people who haven't worked in the fed in any capacity for the last 12 years?

[Kel Varnsen 8430]

He should just hire the people that donate the most money to him. Worked for Trump.

[mdmost 42865]

Yes, it would be awful to have people in his administration that actually knew what they were doing.

 

[tantric superman 4667]

11 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

So you want Joe to hire people in national government that have never worked during the Obama or Trump Administrations?

Yes, that's obviously what I want.  

I need to be more precise in my language.

 

[tantric superman 4667]

10 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Yes, it would be awful to have people in his administration that actually knew what they were doing.

So when people voted for Biden, do you think the vast majority really were expecting that 83% of the leadership in the Biden Administration would be ex-Obama officials?  (And admittedly, I'm making a simple assumption based on one article.)

Do you think those are good optics and create an environment for what this Administration needs to do?

I have no problems with someone having that argument.  I just would be surprised if the number of folks feel that this is what we need is really high.   

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

And admittedly, I'm making a simple assumption based on one article.)

Those predictions articles have a worse track record than our football board’s “next coach at TX” threads

[Francisco 2.0 32341]

Motion to change thread title to Joe Biden will never be MY President.

 

Guaranteed to send up the bat signal to our missing brethren.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Francisco 2.0

[tantric superman 4667]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Those predictions articles have a worse track record than our football board’s “next coach at TX” threads

Yep.  Hence the two threads I started in the last 24 hours.  The parallels between the recruiting board and how people are probably thinking about the new administration really hit me.  Or maybe it's just me.

[mdmost 42865]

9 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

So when people voted for Biden, do you think the vast majority really were expecting that 83% of the leadership in the Biden Administration would be ex-Obama officials?  (And admittedly, I'm making a simple assumption based on one article.)

Do you think those are good optics and create an environment for what this Administration needs to do?

I have no problems with someone having that argument.  I just would be surprised if the number of folks feel that this is what we need is really high.   

To unfuck everything Trump has done, yeah. You're going to need people who know how government should work. 

The difference in a Biden and Obama administration is there's not a black man heading up one of those. I cannot look at the Trump era after Obama and say it was anything other than ingrained racism in American voters. What exactly did Obama do that was so awful, outside of trying to push through a healthcare plan? What great socialist overreach did he do? If anything, Obama was very innocuous. 

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

18 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

So when people voted for Biden, do you think the vast majority really were expecting that 83% of the leadership in the Biden Administration would be ex-Obama officials?  (And admittedly, I'm making a simple assumption based on one article.)

Do you think those are good optics and create an environment for what this Administration needs to do?

I have no problems with someone having that argument.  I just would be surprised if the number of folks feel that this is what we need is really high.   

My vote was absolutely cast with the expectation that Biden would fill his leadership positions with people who had been there before and knew what they were doing.  

"Hey Joe, the American people have entrusted you to turn around the country BUT you will be judged if you hire anyone that you have worked with in the last 12 years who has shown the capabilities to perform at this level lol good luck!"

Edited November 12, 2020 by Chuckie Finster

[Thatguy 8503]

15 minutes ago, mdmost said:

To unfuck everything Trump has done, yeah. You're going to need people who know how government should work. 

The difference in a Biden and Obama administration is there's not a black man heading up one of those. I cannot look at the Trump era after Obama and say it was anything other than ingrained racism in American voters. What exactly did Obama do that was so awful, outside of trying to push through a healthcare plan? What great socialist overreach did he do? If anything, Obama was very innocuous. 

go straight to the 6:10 mark and enjoy......your post is deadly accurate!!

 

 

[StassneyHorn 6540]

Recruiting board posters should be quarantined.

[tantric superman 4667]

23 minutes ago, mdmost said:

To unfuck everything Trump has done, yeah. You're going to need people who know how government should work. 

This is what career non-appointed professionals are for.  Granted, I'm not sure if the damage that Trump has done to career officials is clear yet as the dust hasn't settled. 

And my point was yes - I want people who know how government works.  I don't necessarily want people who are locked into Obama policy solutions.

I have a relative who worked in both Obama and Trump administrations - very liberal. Voted for Biden.  But he said the way the Obama Administration functioned was really, really terrible, with a completely unfocused way of pursuing project that went nowhere.  He enjoyed the Trump Administration because they came up with a few focused enforcement directives and let DOL folks do their enforcement work.

Clinton and Obama vibes are at best, old news, and at worst, things that can drag this Administration down, and Biden needs to be careful about the optics as well as the approach.

[406W30th 1111]

20 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

I have a relative who worked in both Obama and Trump administrations - very liberal. Voted for Biden.  But he said the way the Obama Administration functioned was really, really terrible, with a completely unfocused way of pursuing project that went nowhere.  He enjoyed the Trump Administration because they came up with a few focused enforcement directives and let DOL folks do their enforcement work.

Your relative sounds like a fucking idiot.

[Mole 4320]

I absolutely voted for Biden with the hope that a fair share of Obama era people would return.

[tantric superman 4667]

27 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Your relative sounds like a fucking idiot.

You'd rather work for three years on 8 projects, seven of which were abruptly cancelled, or four years on two projects that came to fruition?

If you say the former, you sound like you're fine with busy work. 

Edited November 12, 2020 by tantric superman

[mdmost 42865]

This thread is bad. You should feel bad about yourself. 

[bad_teammate 13132]

Obama thinks he knows better than everyone else about everything. He is supremely arrogant and micromanaging.

- “I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director.”

- “I think I could probably do every job on the campaign better than the people I’ll hire to do it,” he said. “It’s hard to give up control when that’s all I’ve known.”

Trump is worse overall and as a person, but he's not micromanaging. He doesn't know or care what's going on basically anywhere (as opposed to Obama who read everything and tried to know everything). He just reacts and gets mad at stuff later. So there's no doubt in my mind that some functionaries have had a very free hand to handle their business without repercussions as long as it doesn't come back on Trump in some way.

As to how that applies to Biden... I think Biden will be a good mix of Trump and Obama. He's extremely arrogant, but he's not going to be the A+ nerd student reading every little thing and micromanaging every little thing. He's also not going to be the reactionary tyrant Trump is.

Whatever. It is what it is.

[hobbes2702 12844]

So the gist of this thread is that this guy is somehow surprised/upset that the former VP for Barack Obama is appointing for Obama staffers? What exactly did you think was going to happen?

[tantric superman 4667]

1 hour ago, mdmost said:

The difference in a Biden and Obama administration is there's not a black man heading up one of those. I cannot look at the Trump era after Obama and say it was anything other than ingrained racism in American voters. What exactly did Obama do that was so awful, outside of trying to push through a healthcare plan? What great socialist overreach did he do? If anything, Obama was very innocuous. 

I'm not making a policy argument. I'm making a political argument.  Obama, and his support for HRC, gave you a 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court.  I think Obamacare was a great start, but Obama best day politically was the day he was elected.  It went downhill, form a political power standpoint for Dems, since that day.

In 2009, President Obama’s party controlled both chambers of 27 state legislatures. Eight years later, Democrats control both chambers in only 13 states. Among the states that slipped from Democratic control are Wisconsin, North Carolina, Iowa and West Virginia; states key to the victory of President-elect Donald Trump last November. According to a report from the National Conference of State Legislatures, the Democratic Party has lost a net total of 13 Governorships and 816 state legislative seats since President Obama entered office, the most of any president since Dwight Eisenhower.

[hobbes2702 12844]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

I'm not making a policy argument. I'm making a political argument.  Obama, and his support for HRC, gave you a 6-3 conservative majority in the Supreme Court.  I think Obamacare was a great start, but Obama best day politically was the day he was elected.  It went downhill, form a political power standpoint for Dems, since that day.

In 2009, President Obama’s party controlled both chambers of 27 state legislatures. Eight years later, Democrats control both chambers in only 13 states. Among the states that slipped from Democratic control are Wisconsin, North Carolina, Iowa and West Virginia; states key to the victory of President-elect Donald Trump last November. According to a report from the National Conference of State Legislatures, the Democratic Party has lost a net total of 13 Governorships and 816 state legislative seats since President Obama entered office, the most of any president since Dwight Eisenhower.

Correlation and causation aren’t the same thing.

[tantric superman 4667]

6 minutes ago, mdmost said:

This thread is bad. You should feel bad about yourself. 

This thread rocks.  And I fucking rock.

[tantric superman 4667]

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Correlation and causation aren’t the same thing.

Neither are optics and reality, but both are pretty important to winning elections. 

[Homercles 10205]

Obama fight!

[bad_teammate 13132]

5 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Correlation and causation aren’t the same thing.

Tides come in, tides go out. Can't explain that.

 

[hobbes2702 12844]

6 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Neither are optics and reality, but both are pretty important to winning elections. 

And the bad optics are what exactly? He appointed people who once worked for a black man? 

[BradInATX 9208]

10 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

 

As to how that applies to Biden... I think Biden will be a good mix of Trump and Obama. He's extremely arrogant, but he's not going to be the A+ nerd student reading every little thing and micromanaging every little thing. He's also not going to be the reactionary tyrant Trump is.

Whatever. It is what it is.

 

Agreed. All policy aside, and I'm sure you're going to have lots of problems with Biden's policies, I think he'll be a much better executive than Obama. He lacks the ego that Obama had, and my impression is that he will set general direction and let his people get to work. He also has a much better understanding of how the top levels of government work, so he's not going to have as much of a ramp-up, save for cleaning up Trump's messes. 

Biden will be an adequate placeholder president which would make him the 2nd or 3rd best president of my lifetime as his floor. Not a high bar to clear, but I'll take it.

[tantric superman 4667]

9 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

And the bad optics are what exactly? He appointed people who once worked for a black man?

A black man, a Muslim and a guy born in Kenya walk into a bar....

[Wanker Bob 379]

Simplify it for the rubes

2001 Republican goes into office and country is riding one of the highest points of prosperity in it's history for pretty much the entire decade of the 90s. 

2008 republican leaves office to democrat and country is in full on economic shambles with loss of jobs, full on uncertainty. 

2016 republican takes office and country is again riding wave of relative prosperity and economic stability far exceeding 2008

2020 republican leaves office to democrat in time of massive economic crisis, massive unemployment, and complete social and civil unrest.

And Republicans are the ones considered "good for business and the economy"? No, they're good for handing deficit spending right into the hands of the super wealthy without any conditions placed on using it for public good. Republicans are terrible for small business and workers. This isn't 1988 anymore. 

[hobbes2702 12844]

Republicans are terrible at governing