Official Thread for Abortion Demagoguery

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

30 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Same here.  In Catholic School.  "Becoming a Person".  Abortion came up.  When I asked a nun what the rule was when a woman was raped and became pregnant, she told me that there never has been a recording instance of a woman getting pregnant from being raped.

"Well okay then," I replied.  Seemed as reasonable as anything else in Catholic school.

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that thing down.” - Todd Akin (R-MO), Aug 19, 2012

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

Same here.  In Catholic School.  "Becoming a Person".  Abortion came up.  When I asked a nun what the rule was when a woman was raped and became pregnant, she told me that there never has been a recording instance of a woman getting pregnant from being raped.

"Well okay then," I replied.  Seemed as reasonable as anything else in Catholic school.

Wow, wow. And I always thought nuns were honest fairly educated women. 

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, tantric superman said:

Same here.  In Catholic School.  "Becoming a Person".  Abortion came up.  When I asked a nun what the rule was when a woman was raped and became pregnant, she told me that there never has been a recording instance of a woman getting pregnant from being raped.

"Well okay then," I replied.  Seemed as reasonable as anything else in Catholic school.

Well, that's because they're too busy raping little boys.

Duh!

[Mole 4330]

6 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

...a dick must take a lot of time out of your day. 

That’s just your public school sex ed talking.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

16 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Nope sorry, her body with another human inside of her.  It's not just her body, as many times as people say that, it's just not factually accurate.  Her mental state is for damn sure at play in such a decision.

I'm glad you are a clinical psychologist qualified to make such determinations about others with regard to their mental state. By and large the vast majority of all abortions are not late-stage when the nerve endings in the fetus would've developed. I don't buy the bullshit company-line that life begins at conception that religious organizations and sycophants push upon anyone who will listen. This is why I said in a different post the only people who get any input into a decision about an abortion are the mother, the father, and their doctor. It doesn't make one single fuck either way what you, or I, or anyone else want or think because none of us will have anything to do with any aspect of the procedure or child if the decision were made to go the other way. If you want to carry something on your conscience that had fuckall to do with you then that's your choice but it doesn't weigh at all on mine.

[Bojack 2081]

Posting this for GRHorn,

 

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6

 

Also, this is the abortion thread.

[Spankytoes 1739]

On 2/2/2019 at 6:13 PM, Asithappens said:

Can't tell if you're serious or trolling.

What type of sex ed do you think home schooled kids get?

According to Youporn, first hand demos.

[happyfunball 481]

You should think more before posting. My remarks were strictly meant as anecdotal to what we received in our school.
I didn't need sex ed to know what a rubber was or how babies are made. If you don't know what it takes to stop a pregnancy today you're not dressing yourself in the morning.

Like appointing rapist to the Supreme Court?

[David Dennison 18856]

On 2/3/2019 at 11:01 AM, Onboard 2.0 said:

Nope sorry, her body with another human inside of her.  It's not just her body, as many times as people say that, it's just not factually accurate.  Her mental state is for damn sure at play in such a decision.

What she does with that human inside of her body is up to her. Not you.

[workswithseed 2103]

1 hour ago, happyfunball said:

 

Like appointing rapist to the Supreme Court?

 

Oh my fucking god, get the fuck off with that shit. You fucking have no evidence that he's a rapist, you fucking inbreeded racist.

[elfenix 34238]

fine, attempted rapist.

Edited February 13, 2019 by elfenix

[David Dennison 18856]

10 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Oh my fucking god, get the fuck off with that shit. You fucking have no evidence that he's a rapist, you fucking inbreeded racist.

There's some evidence. 

[workswithseed 2103]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

There's some evidence. 

Well, why hasen't anyone taken him to court. 

Edited February 13, 2019 by workswithseed

[David Dennison 18856]

Just now, workswithseed said:

Well, why haven't anyone taken him to court. 

I have no idea. You said there was no evidence. The testimony of the victim is evidence.

[workswithseed 2103]

Just now, David Dennison said:

I have no idea. You said there was no evidence. The testimony of the victim is evidence.

Well, this his testimony is evidence for his own case. That gets us nowhere.

[wildcat09 29353]

If there was a god he'd throw a dictionary at the head of every dipshit who demonstrates that they don't know what the word "evidence" means.

[Foosters 17855]

5 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Well, this his testimony is evidence for his own case. That gets us nowhere.

How do you think criminal trials work? 

[workswithseed 2103]

Something like this.

[David Dennison 18856]

11 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Well, this his testimony is evidence for his own case. That gets us nowhere.

Yeah, but that's not what you said.

[workswithseed 2103]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, but that's not what you said.

You got a point, I should say substantial evidence.

[horncyclist 1387]

Anti-abortion people. What do you make of a story like this? I'm not just trolling. I'd really like to understand. And don't say "exceptions for rape and incest" because the groups and politicians driving the anti-abortion movement in the US don't seem to take that position. And if the fetus is really a life, with equal rights to the mother, then the outcome here is where you have to end up. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/03/01/an-year-old-pleaded-an-abortion-after-she-was-raped-she-was-forced-give-birth/?utm_term=.bb1b77898eab

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An 11-year-old rape victim gave birth in Argentina on Tuesday after she was apparently denied an abortion by authorities, infuriating women’s rights advocates in the country who have fought to legalize the procedure.

The girl, referred to as “Lucia” to protect her identity, underwent a Caesarean section Tuesday in the 23rd week of her pregnancy, the Guardian reports.Lucia, whose baby is not expected to survive, had previously begged officials to “remove what the old man put inside me.”

That man is the 65-year-old partner of Lucia’s grandmother — who took custody of Lucia and her siblings in 2015, after her two older sisters were reportedly abused by their mother’s partner, the Guardian reported. Lucia attempted to commit suicide twice upon learning of her pregnancy Jan. 23. She was hospitalized and later placed in state care as a result of apparent self-inflicted lesions, the outlet said.

 

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

The part where it says the "baby is not expected to survive" will give them their out. They'll say it's God's will. 'See? No problem.' And then they'll repeat that anecdotal evidence in order to support a total ban on abortion even in cases of rape and incest. 'Don't worry. God will take care of it.'

Of course, if that child should survive, unwanted and disadvantaged, and grow up to commit a violent crime then many of them will enthusiastically endorse its execution. 

[EMAWesome 101]

Let me make sure I have this straight.  The Democrat Party wants the government to stay out of women's bodies when they are pregnant and give them the ability to choose exactly what they want to do with said body.  However when it comes to anything else concerning anybody's body healthwise they want government to have complete control and not give individuals any choices at all concerning what they want to do with their body.  Sounds perfectly consistent and logical to me.

[Winona's Big Orange Bevo 197]

5 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Let me make sure I have this straight.  The Democrat Party wants the government to stay out of women's bodies when they are pregnant and give them the ability to choose exactly what they want to do with said body.  However when it comes to anything else concerning anybody's body healthwise they want government to have complete control and not give individuals any choices at all concerning what they want to do with their body.  Sounds perfectly consistent and logical to me.

You mean the government won't allow me to have my special alone time? Will I have to get a permit?

[Js1 85320]

4 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The part where it says the "baby is not expected to survive" will give them their out. They'll say it's God's will. 'See? No problem.' And then they'll repeat that anecdotal evidence in order to support a total ban on abortion even in cases of rape and incest. 'Don't worry. God will take care of it.'

Of course, if that child should survive, unwanted and disadvantaged, and grow up to commit a violent crime then many of them will enthusiastically endorse its execution. 

Everything about this is correct.

"Baby not expected to survive" - God's will; gotta give it a chance; miracles happen
Put mom through that - probably her fault for being a sexy-looking 11 year old or something gross/Baylor-esque
Child lives - MIRACLE but we won't provide it or mom any sort of assistance because her responsible ass got pregnant
Child grows up poor and commits a crime as an adult - FILTHY FUCKING ANIMALS THEY SHOULD DIE

Edited March 1, 2019 by Js1

[Coors yellow belly 105]

That’s not at all what they want. They want people in the US to have access to the care they need.

[Gatorubet 30233]

Let me make sure I have this straight.  The Democrat Party wants the government to stay out of women's bodies when they are pregnant and give them the ability to choose exactly what they want to do with said body.  However when it comes to anything else concerning anybody's body healthwise they want government to have complete control and not give individuals any choices at all concerning what they want to do with their body.  Sounds perfectly consistent and logical to me.

Genuine frontier gibberish.

You are gonna have to explain the “anything else”/govt control not giving people any choice concerning what they want to do with their body thing.


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[David Dennison 18856]

5 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Let me make sure I have this straight.  The Democrat Party wants the government to stay out of women's bodies when they are pregnant and give them the ability to choose exactly what they want to do with said body.  However when it comes to anything else concerning anybody's body healthwise they want government to have complete control and not give individuals any choices at all concerning what they want to do with their body.  Sounds perfectly consistent and logical to me.

Surely you have examples.

[elfenix 34238]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Surely you have examples.

he does, but they're only circumstantial. 

[Asithappens 974]

On 2/13/2019 at 3:58 PM, wildcat09 said:

If there was a god he'd throw a dictionary at the head of every dipshit who demonstrates that they don't know what the word "evidence" means.

Right after he got done throwing it at people who don't know the subjunctive. 

[wildcat09 29353]

1 minute ago, Asithappens said:

Right after he got done throwing it at people who don't know the subjunctive. 

What the fuck did you just call me?

[sidis 9827]

 

[Nivek 16926]

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[horncyclist 1387]

No response to that article I posted? Prolifers, what say you?

[Sbbruin 21850]

8 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Let me make sure I have this straight.  The Democrat Party wants the government to stay out of women's bodies when they are pregnant and give them the ability to choose exactly what they want to do with said body.  However when it comes to anything else concerning anybody's body healthwise they want government to have complete control and not give individuals any choices at all concerning what they want to do with their body.  Sounds perfectly consistent and logical to me.

Is this some thinly veiled anti-vaxxer statement?

[Sbbruin 21850]

2 hours ago, Asithappens said:

Right after he got done throwing it at people who don't know the subjunctive. 

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

4 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

What the fuck did you just call me?

If I were you I wouldn't ask. 

[EMAWesome 101]

6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Genuine frontier gibberish.

You are gonna have to explain the “anything else”/govt control not giving people any choice concerning what they want to do with their body thing.


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Any kind of socialized medicine is going to eventually involve rationing of care (Oh you are how old?  well you aren't going to be viable for this procedure, go home and die.).  It's the only way to maintain affordibility.  If health care is ran by the government the government is going to eventually come up with regulations involving who can get what kind of medical treatment and when and where they can get it.  It won't be the patient making the decision it will be the government.

[Lucid 3]

3 hours ago, horncyclist said:

No response to that article I posted? Prolifers, what say you?

Abort the child rapist, spare the child.

[horncyclist 1387]

I'm still waiting for a response to the 11-year old raped by a 65-year old who wants to "get out what he put inside [her.]" How do you defend forcing such cruelty on a child? 

 

[Gatorubet 30233]

21 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Any kind of socialized medicine is going to eventually involve rationing of care (Oh you are how old?  well you aren't going to be viable for this procedure, go home and die.).  It's the only way to maintain affordibility.  If health care is ran by the government the government is going to eventually come up with regulations involving who can get what kind of medical treatment and when and where they can get it.  It won't be the patient making the decision it will be the government.

I missed out on all of the Canadian and Swedish olds killing that those socialist medicine countries were committing.  Weird.

Now, explain how a lack of universal healthcare in our system does not lead to a rationing of healthcare to those not rich enough to afford it?   Not having the financial wherewithal to obtain health care is rationing of care on steroids. 

 

[David Dennison 18856]

21 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Any kind of socialized medicine is going to eventually involve rationing of care (Oh you are how old?  well you aren't going to be viable for this procedure, go home and die.).  It's the only way to maintain affordibility.  If health care is ran by the government the government is going to eventually come up with regulations involving who can get what kind of medical treatment and when and where they can get it.  It won't be the patient making the decision it will be the government.

You do realize that this system already applies to everyone 65 and older, right? And that it's wildly popular?

[hpslugga 4058]

50 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You do realize that this system already applies to everyone 65 and older, right? And that it's wildly popular?

Is that something that can be found on Fox News' website?

[Mole 4330]

12 hours ago, horncyclist said:

I'm still waiting for a response to the 11-year old raped by a 65-year old who wants to "get out what he put inside [her.]" How do you defend forcing such cruelty on a child? 

 

You don’t. I’m not up on all of the numbers, but I suspect that the majority of pro-lifers today would see this situation where abortion is a reasonable if tragic conclusion to a terrible situation. It’s similar in intellectual honesty to all the cries of Democrats voting for infanticide. It’s focusing on highly emotional and extreme edge cases where I suspect the vast majority of people would be in agreement if we weren’t all fixated on scoring rhetorical points.

[Asithappens 974]

On 3/1/2019 at 8:27 PM, EMAWesome said:

Any kind of socialized medicine is going to eventually involve rationing of care 

News flash: we already have health care rationing.

[Dutchrudder 11139]

News flash: we already have health care rationing.

Yeah, try dealing with end of life care for an elderly person. That's when you find out how far the insurance is willing to cover things that won't make them recover, but might prolong life a little bit. Once you see the cost estimates, you have to make a lot of adult decisions about priorities, cost effectiveness of treatment, the wishes of the person and then balance all of that against your conscience. It's not easy, especially when their wishes go against the one thing that would keep them alive.

[scottsins 1966]

Any kind of socialized medicine is going to eventually involve rationing of care (Oh you are how old?  well you aren't going to be viable for this procedure, go home and die.).  It's the only way to maintain affordibility.  If health care is ran by the government the government is going to eventually come up with regulations involving who can get what kind of medical treatment and when and where they can get it.  It won't be the patient making the decision it will be the government.

Currently, without socialized medicine, insurance companies make those decisions, not the patient.

[Anastasis 23469]

19 minutes ago, scottsins said:

 

Currently, without socialized medicine, insurance companies make those decisions, not the patient.

 

2020-2030 gonna be a hell of a ride for anybody in healthcare imo. 

[David Dennison 18856]

1 hour ago, scottsins said:

Currently, without socialized medicine, insurance companies make those decisions, not the patient.

 

It's amazing how thoroughly a private industry has convinced people in this country that they make their own health care decisions. 

[Anastasis 23469]

It’s clear that most people thinking that M4A somehow empowers patients in the medical decision making process relative to private insurance or MA don’t really understand how Medicare works.