Official Thread for Abortion Demagoguery

[F250 28884]

On 9/4/2021 at 3:29 PM, Willfully Horn said:

Well put. Include female clergy and we are in sync.

An Apostle and a woman. Her status as an Apostle is contested in the 2nd half of Christianity but widely accepted for the first thousand years.

 

[F250 28884]

6 hours ago, DonkeyCigars said:

I believe that I should make some room in my life to seriously think about looking into fostering or adopting, as I support this ban. I think that is a logical and faithful progression for most Christian people who support this

Just do it and don't tell us what you might do.

Until then shut the fuck up.

 

- Signed someone that is personally opposed to abortion but legally pro-choice and has been through the turmoil of foster parenting.

 

 

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

10 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

 

They don’t care about women. They care about their version of a woman. If she is subservient, only has sex in marriage, and isn’t too mouthy, and is white, she will be protected because good conservative men protect a woman. Why? Because she needs protection from a man to live in this world. These same Leave it to Beaver assholes are arguing against bringing in immigrants from Afghanistan. 

[Guest Lobo]

Seeing Abbott's ceremonial press conference with regard to this on the Sunday morning shows was infuriating.  Especially with Briscoe Cain flanking the Governor's left.  Briscoe just smirking ear to ear without a clue about what abortion is, how pregnancy works, what a vagina is, or how heterosexual intercourse takes place.  But hey, 90% of legislation is just showing up, amirite Cain?  

[Willfully Horn 8068]

While abortion, obviously, is a difficult subject to discuss, IMO, that debate is mucked without separating it from the vigilante standing abortion within the law that hates abortion.

Both facets are untenable.

The abortion restrictions are an unlawful taking of a commonly accepted human right, claimed by humanity 3500 years ago, and recognized by the ninth Amendment. Only an amendment can lawfully abridge that right.

The standing abortion law? I’ve never known a more perverse vision for our state. Fuck, cruelly, painfully, and eternally those who could support such ratfuckery.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Willfully Horn
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[Mole 4333]

47 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

While abortion, obviously, is a difficult subject to discuss, IMO, that debate is mucked without separating it from the vigilante standing abortion within the law that hates abortion.

Both facets are untenable.

The abortion restrictions are an unlawful taking of a commonly accepted human right, claimed by humanity 1500 years ago, and recognized by the ninth Amendment. Only an amendment can lawfully abridge that right.

The standing abortion law? I’ve never known a more perverse vision for our state. Fuck, cruelly, painfully, and eternally those who could support such ratfuckery.

In some magical world where everyone agreed to be intellectually honest and understand and fairly represent the arguments from the other side, the abortion debate would be difficult, but ultimately productive. We could drive down abortion rates in a humane and decent way if there was any interest in such a thing.

But there really isn’t such interest, because this is just another fight over an abstraction that only incidentally involves real people in crisis. The people actually involved take a back seat to the abstract moral position.

But even in the context of that amoral morality battle, the specifics of this law are insane. The vigilante nature of it, how easily it can be weaponized, and the inherent cruelty is just madness. But it makes sense, since moral posturing is more important than humanity.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Mole

[Bama Chick 28596]

If y’all got little manlets like Briscoe organizing the Abortion Posses, that could level the playing field a small bit.

Most women could whip his tiny ass.

[Guest Lobo]

Briscoe Cain looks like his mother changed her mind halfway through the procedure.  

[WhatTheBuck 28823]

Do the anti-abortionists think there’s half a soul in every sperm and half a soul in every ovum and, upon insemination, they fuse to create one complete human soul? If so, what happens to the half souls from all that wasted sperm? (Cue the Monty Python song.) And every unfertilized egg? Not to mention every sperm wasted through masturbation or nocturnal emission. (I figure that if you’re a Catholic priest then you’re either having secret sexual relationships, jerking it, diddling little kids, or having wet dreams.)

Or do they think that egg and sperm are soulless living human objects that are imbued by God with a human soul at the moment of insemination? What are their thoughts on artificial insemination? Typically, if a married couple (man and woman! don’t get your panties in a bunch, mystics!) can’t conceive a child on their own then they might resort to in vitro fertilization. (A technology developed just in the last century.) That results in multiple embryos. They don’t need to use all of them. The ones they don’t use are a valuable source of stem cells. If you can’t have a child on your own, but science can help you have one, is it really fair to say, “Fine, but you’re going to need to have a half dozen all at the same time?”

[Guest Lobo]

The vast majority of sperm don't leave the body through masturbation, nocturnal emission, or even sexual intercourse with a properly bedded bride of marriage.  Rather it leaves through urination.  So every time you piss, you are violating God's will.  After 4 beers, I've peed enough "half-souls" to create my own Pixar trilogy.  

I mean, I guess...I can sorta see how an egg is a unique and special thing.  A woman is born with a finite amount and will stay with her, poised for fertilization between ages 14-54.  But my sperm?  I literally piss out enough sperm every single day to populate Australia.  I mean, provided I haven't sprayed it on Dan Patrick's face like a Cy Twombly canvass.  

[Satchel 6949]

I was somewhat surprised to learn that all of these right wing evangelicals were not always “pro life”. Chief among the pro choice proponents was Robert Jeffress’ infamous predecessor, WA Criswell. Check this out:

Politico Magazine has a fascinating story on the rise of the Religious Right and its true origins. Contrary to popular belief, the movement’s genesis isn’t Roe v. Wade–it’s Green v. Connally. A year after the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its landmark ruling that protects a woman’s right to have an abortion, the Southern Baptist Convention affirmed its commitment “to work(ing) for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.”

None other than W.A. Criswell, First Baptist Dallas’ pastor, Robert Jeffress‘ mentor, and a former president of the Convention, said, “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”

That life began at the moment of conception has not always been official evangelical dogma. This unalloyed approach to abortion was a component of a carefully cultivated religious movement whose roots can be traced to the backlash against a different court decision–one that has nothing at all to do with the sanctity of life and everything to do with racial segregation. In Green v. Connally, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that schools discriminating on the basis of race were not eligible for tax exemption. South Carolina’s Bob Jones University, for example, made no secret when asked by the IRS in 1970 that it did not admit blacks.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2014/05/the-late-first-baptist-dallas-pastor-w-a-criswell-was-pro-choice/

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by Satchel

[formermav43 4606]

42 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Or do they think that egg and sperm are soulless living human objects that are imbued by God with a human soul at the moment of insemination? What are their thoughts on artificial insemination? Typically, if a married couple (man and woman! don’t get your panties in a bunch, mystics!) can’t conceive a child on their own then they might resort to in vitro fertilization. (A technology developed just in the last century.) That results in multiple embryos. They don’t need to use all of them. The ones they don’t use are a valuable source of stem cells. If you can’t have a child on your own, but science can help you have one, is it really fair to say, “Fine, but you’re going to need to have a half dozen all at the same time?”

To give a serious answer-because I think these are precisely the sort of ethical dilemmas people should really wrestle with-my wife and I have dealt with “unexplained infertility” (there’s no known medical reason for it, it just hasn’t happened-multiple miscarriages, and trouble conceiving in the interim). After getting a whole menu of options from a specialist, we decided against IVF precisely because of discomfort with what happens to those embryos.

But I would be against binding that sort of decision on anyone else. 

[elfenix 34365]

Some friends needed IVF and after the first one was born there were many jokes about his sister being in the freezer.

Edited September 7, 2021 by elfenix

[F250 28884]

26 minutes ago, Satchel said:

I was somewhat surprised to learn that all of these right wing evangelicals were not always “pro life”. Chief among the pro choice proponents was Robert Jeffress’ infamous predecessor, WA Criswell. Check this out:

Politico Magazine has a fascinating story on the rise of the Religious Right and its true origins. Contrary to popular belief, the movement’s genesis isn’t Roe v. Wade–it’s Green v. Connally. A year after the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its landmark ruling that protects a woman’s right to have an abortion, the Southern Baptist Convention affirmed its commitment “to work(ing) for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.”

None other than W.A. Criswell, First Baptist Dallas’ pastor, Robert Jeffress‘ mentor, and a former president of the Convention, said, “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.”

That life began at the moment of conception has not always been official evangelical dogma. This unalloyed approach to abortion was a component of a carefully cultivated religious movement whose roots can be traced to the backlash against a different court decision–one that has nothing at all to do with the sanctity of life and everything to do with racial segregation. In Green v. Connally, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia ruled that schools discriminating on the basis of race were not eligible for tax exemption. South Carolina’s Bob Jones University, for example, made no secret when asked by the IRS in 1970 that it did not admit blacks.

https://www.dmagazine.com/frontburner/2014/05/the-late-first-baptist-dallas-pastor-w-a-criswell-was-pro-choice/

 

There was a major campaign across the country to make this happen. I remember there would be guest speakers in church talking about abortion and the need for Christians to form a Coalition. I distinctly remember one guest speaker saying "I know a lot of people think it's a bad idea for churches to get involved in politics but this is too serious for us to ignore" then he started hyping up the Republican party.

This was around the time a lot Texas Democrats started switching to the GOP. What was funny was all the old people in our Southern Baptist church rejecting the party of Lincoln because it was the party of Lincoln. A lot of them were still clutching to Post-Reconstruction grievances.

There was also a huge effort on pushing the Pro-Life view. A lot of people were indifferent and many were in favor of Roe V Wade and it took a lot of effort to make the Pro-Life position a litmus test for being a Christian but it eventually caught on. Now it's treated as something that's always been a thing even though it occurred fairly recently.

 

 

[elfenix 34365]

The fact that this all occurred within living memory of the boomers and there seems to be little memory of it is astounding
 

Edited September 7, 2021 by elfenix

[Satchel 6949]

40 minutes ago, elfenix said:

The fact that this all occurred within living memory of the boomers and there seems to be a little memory of it is astounding
 

When you think about it, without the abortion issue, these people would have nothing on which to base its claim to any moral high ground, flimsy as it is. In there minds, it inoculates them against allegations of racism and misogyny.

[hpslugga 4068]

21 minutes ago, Satchel said:

When you think about it, without the abortion issue, these people would have nothing on which to base its claim to any moral high ground, flimsy as it is. In there minds, it inoculates them against allegations of racism and misogyny.

You misspelled “propensity to live in a fantasy world.”

[Chooky 13321]

Weisswurst Sausage fest

[Underdog 28825]

2 hours ago, elfenix said:

Some friends needed IVF and after the first one was born there are many jokes about his sister being in the freezer.

Well then, she has something in common with Ted Williams' head. 

[WhatTheBuck 28823]

13 hours ago, elfenix said:

Some friends needed IVF and after the first one was born there were many jokes about his sister being in the freezer.

And that’s one big difference between an embryo and a baby. You can’t store a baby in the freezer. 

[Homercles 10206]

12 hours ago, Chooky said:

Weisswurst Sausage fest

Hey look, old white men telling women and everyone else what they can/can’t do.  What a shocker. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

23 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Hey look, old white men telling women and everyone else what they can/can’t do.  What a shocker. 

[wildcat09 29447]

It's wild to me that we've still barely heard anything about this from national Democrats. Biden gave a couple pretty brief statements, the Senate judiciary committee has said it'll investigate SCOTUS' use of the shadow docket, and reps and senators have made some twitter threads. That's a pretty fucking underwhelming response.

Imagine the response that would come from the right if the same thing had happened but for a California gun ban or something. They would've been prepared to loudly repeat a single, unified message on every possible mode of mass communication the moment that SCOTUS let the law take effect. Instead, the Dems seem to have been blindsided by this, just like by the release of the Mueller report, despite having plenty of prior notice. I guess they're all just too busy with their vacations? 

[4th&Five 41619]

cross posting here as well.  abbott is bringing minority report to TX.

 

[WhatTheBuck 28823]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's wild to me that we've still barely heard anything about this from national Democrats. Biden gave a couple pretty brief statements, the Senate judiciary committee has said it'll investigate SCOTUS' use of the shadow docket, and reps and senators have made some twitter threads. That's a pretty fucking underwhelming response.

Imagine the response that would come from the right if the same thing had happened but for a California gun ban or something. They would've been prepared to loudly repeat a single, unified message on every possible mode of mass communication the moment that SCOTUS let the law take effect. Instead, the Dems seem to have been blindsided by this, just like by the release of the Mueller report, despite having plenty of prior notice. I guess they're all just too busy with their vacations? 

Huh? What? I think I’ve seen a pretty strong response from the left. I mean, just the Dem President alone speaking out against it is kind of a big deal. Don’t you think? It’s Labor Day weekend and college football is back so the eyes aren’t all focused on the national media. But I saw Amy Klobuchar talking about it this morning. Are you complaining that Fox News isn’t speaking out against it? What do you want? Specifically. “Do something” is a Trumpian answer. Get real and lay out your plan.

[gyroprotagonist 2595]

once the border is walled off, no more rapes since 100% of all crime was committed by illegals.

[Macanudo 13026]

20 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's wild to me that we've still barely heard anything about this from national Democrats. Biden gave a couple pretty brief statements, the Senate judiciary committee has said it'll investigate SCOTUS' use of the shadow docket, and reps and senators have made some twitter threads. That's a pretty fucking underwhelming response.

Imagine the response that would come from the right if the same thing had happened but for a California gun ban or something. They would've been prepared to loudly repeat a single, unified message on every possible mode of mass communication the moment that SCOTUS let the law take effect. Instead, the Dems seem to have been blindsided by this, just like by the release of the Mueller report, despite having plenty of prior notice. I guess they're all just too busy with their vacations? 

If this a gun ban, people would be dead in the streets, bodies in trees, etc.

[wildcat09 29447]

20 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Huh? What? I think I’ve seen a pretty strong response from the left. I mean, just the Dem President alone speaking out against it is kind of a big deal. Don’t you think? It’s Labor Day weekend and college football is back so the eyes aren’t all focused on the national media. But I saw Amy Klobuchar talking about it this morning. Are you complaining that Fox News isn’t speaking out against it? What do you want? Specifically. “Do something” is a Trumpian answer. Get real and lay out your plan.

No it isn't. The President speaks about all sorts of shit that people don't care about.

I want to see a fucking organized PR campaign against the GOP and the Supreme Court. I want Dems littering all non-Fox cable news shows attacking the conservatives on the Court, I want the DNC, DNCC, etc. funding tv commercials in every state criticizing this decision, I want something resembling an organized internet ad campaign, etc. I want to see some indication that there is a sense of fucking urgency from the party on this and that they're not going to continue to sit on their asses when it comes to protecting their voters' rights from the full fledged assault that the GOP has been waging for years. 

 

[WhatTheBuck 28823]

22 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

No it isn't. The President speaks about all sorts of shit that people don't care about.

I want to see a fucking organized PR campaign against the GOP and the Supreme Court. I want Dems littering all non-Fox cable news shows attacking the conservatives on the Court, I want the DNC, DNCC, etc. funding tv commercials in every state criticizing this decision, I want something resembling an organized internet ad campaign, etc. I want to see some indication that there is a sense of fucking urgency from the party on this and that they're not going to continue to sit on their asses when it comes to protecting their voters' rights from the full fledged assault that the GOP has been waging for years.

How many Trumpkins who get all their news from FOX do you think would change their minds as a result of that strategy?

I wish things were different too. It’s depressing and sad. 

[DonkeyCigars 143]

17 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

How many Trumpkins who get all their news from FOX do you think would change their minds as a result of that strategy?

I wish things were different too. It’s depressing and sad. 

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I don't believe WIldcat is saying to get the message out to change Trumpkins minds or anyone who watches foxnews religiously, but in order to confront an attack on their and their voters/constituents ideals. It's probably a nice signal and message to people that they will fight for them and that they aren't just ego-driven, mediocre talents who are in it for the political career (which by and large, most politicians actually are, on both sides).

Edited September 7, 2021 by DonkeyCigars

[wildcat09 29447]

18 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

How many Trumpkins who get all their news from FOX do you think would change their minds as a result of that strategy?

I wish things were different too. It’s depressing and sad. 

What part of "I want them on all non-Fox media" made you think I want them to try to convince Trumpers?

[DaysOff 7988]

cross posting here as well.  abbott is bringing minority report to TX.
 

Other than be a crippled piece of shit what is wrong with that guy?

[softlynow 1845]

1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Huh? What? I think I’ve seen a pretty strong response from the left. I mean, just the Dem President alone speaking out against it is kind of a big deal. Don’t you think? It’s Labor Day weekend and college football is back so the eyes aren’t all focused on the national media. But I saw Amy Klobuchar talking about it this morning. Are you complaining that Fox News isn’t speaking out against it? What do you want? Specifically. “Do something” is a Trumpian answer. Get real and lay out your plan.

 

22 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

What part of "I want them on all non-Fox media" made you think I want them to try to convince Trumpers?

The Dems response to this is pretty much par for the course. Strongly worded tweets and a few high profile people preaching to the choir on little-watched 24-hr news station segments. This is a major development on the issue that is a shibboleth for party membership. You don't let "college football started this weekend" get in the way of blasting your message into every corner of American public life.

Pubs simply play this part of the game better. If the shoe was on the other foot every news org would be forced to run headlines for a week about the GOP response. It would dominate multiple news cycles.

Dems remain the disorganized, disparate collection of interests that barely get along, and even when they agree 100% on something have very little agreement on how or even whether to get that message out.

[DDD Dad 14365]

On 9/1/2021 at 7:48 PM, Sawbonz said:

Any random person who heard that somebody else got an abortion after the deadline can file suit against the provider? 

[Pescado_Rojo 19452]

2 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

No it isn't. The President speaks about all sorts of shit that people don't care about.

I want to see a fucking organized PR campaign against the GOP and the Supreme Court. I want Dems littering all non-Fox cable news shows attacking the conservatives on the Court, I want the DNC, DNCC, etc. funding tv commercials in every state criticizing this decision, I want something resembling an organized internet ad campaign, etc. I want to see some indication that there is a sense of fucking urgency from the party on this and that they're not going to continue to sit on their asses when it comes to protecting their voters' rights from the full fledged assault that the GOP has been waging for years. 

 

That's asking a lot of the Washington Generals of American politics. 

[Biff Tannen 45757]

59 minutes ago, softlynow said:

Dems remain the disorganized, disparate collection of interests that barely get along, and even when they agree 100% on something have very little agreement on how or even whether to get that message out.

Yep.  Especially the bolded.  They have zero idea how the game is played.

[Francisco 2.0 32432]

 

 

[HornOnTheBayou 8958]

12 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

Has Dan Patrick ever seen a heart symbol?

[elfenix 34365]

Meanwhile:

MEXICO CITY — Mexico’s supreme court voted Tuesday to decriminalize abortion, a striking step in a country with one of the world’s largest Catholic populations and a decision that contrasts with tighter restrictions introduced across the border in Texas.

By Mary Beth Sheridan and Alejandra Ibarra Chaoul

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/07/mexico-abortion-supreme-court/

[Hmbre97 6333]

Has Dan Patrick ever seen a heart symbol?

He tried but his hands naturally assumed their normal position of finishing 2 dudes on his face.

[Js1 85651]

2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

Meanwhile:

MEXICO CITY — Mexico’s supreme court voted Tuesday to decriminalize abortion, a striking step in a country with one of the world’s largest Catholic populations and a decision that contrasts with tighter restrictions introduced across the border in Texas.

By Mary Beth Sheridan and Alejandra Ibarra Chaoul

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/07/mexico-abortion-supreme-court/
 

Texas on its way to third world status 

[pacman 7380]

Well, at least Texans have a place to go for abortions now.

[Biff Tannen 45757]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

It's incredible how they always have a group photo of all the horrible shit they just did.

[bolverk 29779]

Meanwhile, across the river lies Mexico, a progressive bastion and protector of civil liberties where weed is also now legal.

Edit: @elfenixbeat me to the punch while I was getting caught up.

Mexico’s Supreme Court Votes to Decriminalize Abortion
The ruling, which sets a precedent for the legalization of abortion nationwide, follows years of efforts by a growing women’s movement in Mexico.

MEXICO CITY — Mexico’s Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that making abortion a crime was unconstitutional, setting a precedent for its legalization nationwide in a conservative Catholic country of about 120 million people.

The unanimous ruling from the nation’s top court follows a growing women’s movement in Mexico that has repeatedly taken to the streets of major cities to demand greater rights and protections.

The decision was met with elation by the vast network of feminist activists who have spent years fighting the criminalization of abortion across the nation — and it opens the door to making Mexico the most populous Latin American country to allow the procedure.

“Today is a historic day for the rights of all Mexican women,” Supreme Court Chief Justice Arturo Zaldivar said after the decision was announced. “It is a watershed in the history of the rights of all women, especially the most vulnerable.”

Considering a law in the northern state of Coahuila, which mandates up to three years of jail for women who have an abortion, the Supreme Court ruled that any criminal penalization of the procedure violated Mexico’s Constitution.

The decision does not automatically make abortion legal across Mexico, experts said, but it does set a binding precedent for judges across the country. Reproductive rights advocates said they planned to use the ruling to challenge laws in the vast majority of Mexico’s states that mandate either jail time or other penalties for women who have an abortion.

Activists also plan to push state authorities to free women serving time for having had abortions.

“It’s an enormous step toward legalization in the entire country,” said Rebeca Ramos, the executive director of GIRE, a reproductive rights group. “We are absolutely ready to present legal challenges to the denial of safe and legal abortion” across the country.

Analysts said they expected to see a wave of efforts to compel states to change laws that criminalize abortion. The Supreme Court justices “are setting the tone for all local criminal codes to be reformed,” said Paulina Creuheras González, head of analysis and political risk at Integralia, a Mexico City consulting firm.

The decision follows a number of key wins by supporters of reproductive rights in Mexico, who helped legalize abortion in the states of Oaxaca, Hidalgo and Veracruz, and in Mexico City. It also comes a moment when Texas and other American states have placed ever-tighter restrictions on the procedure.

Women across Mexico have in recent years protested en masse across the country, demanding not only abortion rights but also an end to the violence against women that has become a national crisis.

Last year, an average of 10 women were killed in Mexico every day, according to figures from the Mexican government, while more than 2,000 have been murdered in the first seven months of 2021. As of July of this year, there were also some 12,000 recorded cases of rape.

In March, hundreds of women stormed the country’s National Palace in Mexico City, attacking the rampart erected around the president’s residence with bats, blowtorches and hammers, demanding an end to gender-based violence.

This year’s protest followed a massive demonstration last year, which brought tens of thousands of women onto the streets, many of them wearing the green handkerchiefs that became a symbol of the abortion rights activists who pushed for the legalization of abortion in Argentina last year.

The day after the protest, women Mexico stayed home from work in a national strike to demand government action.

“This is a re-vindication for the feminist movement,” said Patricia Mercado, a senator with the opposition Citizens’ Movement party and an outspoken supporter of reproductive rights, of the Supreme Court’s ruling. It means “no women will be criminalized for making this decision.”

Edited September 7, 2021 by bolverk

[austingirl 2192]

On 9/6/2021 at 5:42 PM, Chooky said:

Weisswurst Sausage fest

Of course the top two guys on that list are actually named Dick.

[hpslugga 4068]

55 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Texas on its way to third world status 

Lol “on its way”

[NWBuck 8590]

53 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Meanwhile, across the river lies Mexico, a progressive bastion and protector of civil liberties where weed is also now legal.

Maybe the wall that Texas wanted to build on the border had a different purpose altogether?

[Pescado_Rojo 19452]

11 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Lol “on its way”

yea, I had a 5 hour power outage last night from a thunderstorm. 

[WhatTheBuck 28823]

54 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

yea, I had a 5 hour power outage last night from a thunderstorm. 

Winter is coming.

[Js1 85651]

A winning message! A suburban, R-leaning district downballot that voted for Biden and flipped today