Official Thread for Abortion Demagoguery

[F250 28942]

8 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Riiiiiiight. And yet half the posters on this site want to fuck Fitlump. 

I think that was one poster and he was in West Virginia.

[DDD Dad 14369]

Riiiiiiight. And yet half the posters on this site want to fuck Fitlump. 

So you’re saying you want to fuck FitLump?

[Biff Tannen 45763]

3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

This post is sadder than Derka’s pizza boxes on the kitchen counter at the porn star’s house post

I wish I understood this reference 

[DDD Dad 14369]

I wish I understood this reference 

Pm Derka.

[NWBuck 8590]

4 hours ago, elfenix said:

that should still be an option:

no heartbeat detected no problem. 

dunno if this will come up in the lawsuits, but it'd be interesting to see a defense that no heartbeat is being detected, rather, the machine is just making noises designed to please the pregnant person. 

 

[tantric superman 4668]

Anybody going to one of the marches tomorrow?  I'm thinking about checking it out (Dallas), even though a conflict with the game.  The infighting on the event facepage group is fucking horrific (black socialists pissed at rich white women) and it's a perfect example of why the left punches itself in the vagina so much. But I wrote an anti-abortion editorial back in my college days in the college newspaper and even though a grand total of no more than three angry feminists read it, I still feel guilty about it.

So I think I gotta go do some penance.

It might not happen because my wife has informed me that if I go, I will be shot, or worse, that I will lose my job.

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19242]

9 hours ago, tantric superman said:

Anybody going to one of the marches tomorrow?  I'm thinking about checking it out (Dallas), even though a conflict with the game.  The infighting on the event facepage group is fucking horrific (black socialists pissed at rich white women) and it's a perfect example of why the left punches itself in the vagina so much. But I wrote an anti-abortion editorial back in my college days in the college newspaper and even though a grand total of no more than three angry feminists read it, I still feel guilty about it.

So I think I gotta go do some penance.

It might not happen because my wife has informed me that if I go, I will be shot, or worse, that I will lose my job.

 

Why would you lose your job if you go?  

I am heading to the rally in Washington Square Park tomorrow.  I might march from Foley Square too, but that is a game time decision as it all depends on what time I can make it back downtown.  I do not have a T-Shirt, nor will I be making a poster to hold, as they are pretty strict with what we can use.  I wanted to have a coat hanger and underneath it have it say, "The GQP's idea of Women's healthcare".  But they want no coat hangers on posters, so....

[TexPx 2327]

Frisco this morning.

[TexPx 2327]

[TexPx 2327]

[Viking 301]

We went to the Dallas march. Neither the wife nor I have ever been to a march or protest so figured now's the time. It's hard to judge crowd size on the ground but I'd say there were 2-4k people there. The sign game was strong.. my favorite "This is my resisting bitch face."

[Willfully Horn 8087]

Cruelty is a benefit to these anti-Christian, unAmerican, fascist fucks.

 

 

[Willfully Horn 8087]

[NWBuck 8590]

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

Cruelty is a benefit to these anti-Christian, unAmerican, fascist fucks.

 

 

Can't possibly abort a future GOP voter 

[Guest Lobo]

18 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Cruelty is a benefit to these anti-Christian, unAmerican, fascist fucks.

 

 

That is the worse thing I'm gonna read today.  Dear Lord.  

Yeah, carrying a baby with no brain to term...that should be a glorious experience for all involved, right Abbott?  

I think we're gonna see a massive uptick in women, between weeks 6-14, that they're lives are in danger if they continue to carry the baby to term.  And will be given a recommendation to go in for a non-elective D&C.  

[4th&Five 41701]

 

[pacman 7426]

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2021 by pacman

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19242]

So reported numbers in the NYC march was 3-5k.  There was definitely confusion on times and where, so I think that caused issues.  I unfortunately did not make it as I was feeling a bit under the weather, so everything I had planned on Saturday went out the window (I hung out on the couch with the dogs all day).  

[C-Man 27347]

Thought this might've been posted here already. Billie Eilish said on stage at ACL this weekend that our state's new abortion law very nearly caused her to cancel her appearance.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2021/10/04/billie-eilish-texas-abortion-comments-orig-mg.cnn

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19242]

14 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Thought this might've been posted here already. Billie Eilish said on stage at ACL this weekend that our state's new abortion law very nearly caused her to cancel her appearance.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2021/10/04/billie-eilish-texas-abortion-comments-orig-mg.cnn

I would have LOVED to see most of the ACL artists cancel.  Fuck it.  Time for people to start standing up for what they believe in.

[crash_davis 23154]

[Willfully Horn 8087]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

How rude.

[4th&Five 41701]

On 10/4/2021 at 2:21 PM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I would have LOVED to see most of the ACL artists cancel.  Fuck it.  Time for people to start standing up for what they believe in.

Agree. I missed out on a PJ concert in NC in 2016 because of the bathroom bill. It sucked but I respected it.

[Js1 85744]

 

[wildcat09 29453]

Pittman with a real shot across the bow for the 5th circuit and SCOTUS there at the end of his opinion. I bet that felt good to write. Too bad they won’t give a shit.

[Brisketexan 105569]

Pittman with a real shot across the bow for the 5th circuit and SCOTUS there at the end of his opinion. I bet that felt good to write. Too bad they won’t give a shit.

All of this is correct.

His reasoning on state actors is solid as hell.

Won’t matter. I’ve lost faith in our higher courts. The rest of you should, too.

[TwiceHorn 31678]

Whew, the standing and immunity/injunctive relief issues are technical as hell and Pitman did some mighty fine dancing to those tunes.  That shit just makes little or no intuitive sense to me.

The rest of it is pretty straightforward, but he was extremely thorough on it all.

Also, this is fantastic and perceptive:

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[DalTxHornFan 3122]

26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Whew, the standing and immunity/injunctive relief issues are technical as hell and Pitman did some mighty fine dancing to those tunes.  That shit just makes little or no intuitive sense to me.

The rest of it is pretty straightforward, but he was extremely thorough on it all.

Also, this is fantastic and perceptive:

 

Perhaps.  But I saw Footnote 2 on page 2 as a huge tell on where the ruling was gonna go: "The Court recognizes that not all pregnant people identify as women."

[Brisketexan 105569]

Perhaps.  But I saw Footnote 2 on page 2 as a huge tell on where the ruling was gonna go: "The Court recognizes that not all pregnant people identify as women."

Well, Pitman is an out gay man. Wanna bet whether that will be part of the anti-abortion crowd narrative ASAP?

[Js1 85744]

Maybe he’s a big fan of Junior

[DalTxHornFan 3122]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, Pitman is an out gay man. Wanna bet whether that will be part of the anti-abortion crowd narrative ASAP?

I hope not.  By all accounts, he is a very good judge -- a long history as a magistrate judge and now a district judge.  I've met him and have mutual friends that know him well and respect him.  That said, the phraseology of "pregnant persons" and the footnote I cited seems a bit gratuitous and "cool-aid drinky" (legal term) to me.  I don't think he needed to go there to reach his decision. 

[DalTxHornFan 3122]

1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I hope not.  By all accounts, he is a very good judge -- a long history as a magistrate judge and now a district judge.  I've met him and have mutual friends that know him well and respect him.  That said, the phraseology of "pregnant persons" and the footnote I cited seems a bit gratuitous and "cool-aid drinky" (legal term) to me.  I don't think he needed to go there to reach his decision. 

I've been seeing some pieces that say this judge (Pitman) was appointed by Obama.  That is not how it works.  Judges are nominated by the Executive branch and confirmed by the Senate.

[Guest Lobo]

Well if you're Briscoe Cain or Dan Patrick or some other monster, this court-ruling has provided you a window to go out and molest a younger family member so they can at least have an abortion and hide the evidence.  

[Brisketexan 105569]

9 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I hope not.  By all accounts, he is a very good judge -- a long history as a magistrate judge and now a district judge.  I've met him and have mutual friends that know him well and respect him.  That said, the phraseology of "pregnant persons" and the footnote I cited seems a bit gratuitous and "cool-aid drinky" (legal term) to me.  I don't think he needed to go there to reach his decision. 

He's a really good judge, and a great person as well -- I've known him for a long time.  His elevation to the bench was universally praised by those who practice in these courts.

None of that will matter.  Fox News and its zombie army of followers will have him branded as a militant gay libtard Obama appointee before the sun sets tonight.  You and I both know it.

[TwiceHorn 31678]

8 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I've been seeing some pieces that say this judge (Pitman) was appointed by Obama.  That is not how it works.  Judges are nominated by the Executive branch and confirmed by the Senate.

Well, and historically, the appointees are initially submitted by that state's senators (at the time Cornyn and the Breck girl) and I believe Obama mostly conformed to that practice, while I don't believe Trump did.

[Guest Lobo]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, and historically, the appointees are initially submitted by that state's senators (at the time Cornyn and the Breck girl) and I believe Obama mostly conformed to that practice, while I don't believe Trump did.

But Trump appointed more federal judges in his first term, than blah blah blah.  Trump appointed judges to protect our freedoms and the unborn!  Blah Blah Blah

It was the one time we at least knew Trump was sentient.  He at least knew he knew jackshit about the Federal courts system despite being sued in them or using them for bankruptcies.  But he his handlers gave him a list and he would point his little lady hands at a name and that person would get the next open spot in their district/circuit.  He did this a couple hundred times and by the end, he got really good at pointing.  

[TwiceHorn 31678]

10 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Perhaps.  But I saw Footnote 2 on page 2 as a huge tell on where the ruling was gonna go: "The Court recognizes that not all pregnant people identify as women."

As long as the judge wasn't a partisan hack like Reed OConnor and Andrew Hanen seem to be, you knew where that ruling was going before it was written.  The only interesting part is the path taken.

[Js1 85744]

22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, and historically, the appointees are initially submitted by that state's senators (at the time Cornyn and the Breck girl) and I believe Obama mostly conformed to that practice, while I don't believe Trump did.

Well Trump had to make sure they were FedSoc approved. 

[TwiceHorn 31678]

I gotta say that I am worried about US standing to vindicate individual constitutional rights.

If this decision doesn't stand, that's probably why.

It seems counterintuitive as hell that the sovereign can't sue to enforce its own laws, but strangely there doesn't seem to be any real precedent for it.

[Brisketexan 105569]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

I gotta say that I am worried about US standing to vindicate individual constitutional rights.

If this decision doesn't stand, that's probably why.

It seems counterintuitive as hell that the sovereign can't sue to enforce its own laws, but strangely there doesn't seem to be any real precedent for it.

An interesting section was when he analyzed how the US has standing based on its policies based on those rights that would be interfered with by SB 8 -- e.g., there are certain US prison and ICE regs that provide that persons within their care (including persons within Texas) SHALL be provided access to abortion services (including beyond the 6 week cutoff).

[wildcat09 29453]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I gotta say that I am worried about US standing to vindicate individual constitutional rights.

If this decision doesn't stand, that's probably why.

It seems counterintuitive as hell that the sovereign can't sue to enforce its own laws, but strangely there doesn't seem to be any real precedent for it.

If SCOTUS uses standing as an excuse to throw the US out on this it might as well burn itself down.

[Ojo Rojo 1982]

13 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

 

This, this, this, fucking this.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Isn't the entire reason some of them...cough cough...went on tour was because they wanted to preempt the accusation of being partisan hacks so they could in fact behave like partisan hacks?

[Ghost of LL 15603]

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

An interesting section was when he analyzed how the US has standing based on its policies based on those rights that would be interfered with by SB 8 -- e.g., there are certain US prison and ICE regs that provide that persons within their care (including persons within Texas) SHALL be provided access to abortion services (including beyond the 6 week cutoff).

Yeah--I thought that was pretty compelling.  It's straight McCullough v. Maryland.  

[safe sex 11807]

19 hours ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I hope not.  By all accounts, he is a very good judge -- a long history as a magistrate judge and now a district judge.  I've met him and have mutual friends that know him well and respect him.  That said, the phraseology of "pregnant persons" and the footnote I cited seems a bit gratuitous and "cool-aid drinky" (legal term) to me.  I don't think he needed to go there to reach his decision. 

It is extremely important to the wellbeing and future of trans and nonbinary people to be seen and represented within legal texts.

[APMP 688]

Two passages from the opinion that I liked:

The other intervenor, Oscar Stilley (“Stilley”), an Arkansas resident who filed an S.B. 8 lawsuit against an abortion provider, spells it out: “The State of Texas in enacting [s.B. 8] has delegated power that it does have to people it does not know.” (Stilley Resp., Dkt. 48, at 2, 8). He continues: “We are told that doctors don’t have standing to raise the constitutional rights of their patients – but Oscar Stilley somehow has standing to sue people he’d probably like if he knew them, for things he doesn’t disagree with, which caused him no damage or injury whatsoever.” (Id.). Stilley has sued an abortion provider and wants to continue suing abortion providers and health insurance companies solely to
make money. (Id. at 5–7). His strategy is to sue and then offer a cheap settlement of “perhaps as low as $100 per abortion”—versus $10,000 or more in statutory damages. (Id. at 6). His is a volume business.

The State makes a half-hearted attempt to establish that pregnant persons are still able to access abortions since S.B. 8 went into effect on September 1. But its assertions only illustrate how effective the ban has been. The State cites only one case of an abortion being performed in post-S.B. 8 Texas. (Resp., Dkt. 43, at 50) (“Even as everyone is adjusting to the new law, women have been able to obtain post-heartbeat abortions. Dr. Alan Braid, for example, reports that at least one of his patients received an abortion ‘beyond the new legal limit[.]’”)). With this claim, the State appears to argue that abortion services remain available because providers are willing to act in violation of S.B. 8—in other words, the law is constitutional because people will violate it. The absurdity of this reasoning speaks for itself.

[M12BH 545]

So, this is a story by my cousin.  I never knew any of this.  Just wow.  https://forward.com/news/476361/my-abortion-story-because-its-true-and-we-should-not-be-afraid-to-talk/?fbclid=IwAR3_BxiRd_ulHCrqYmH8XtH-_CnEWLNaduL1VIj-XIelLVwkDVLn0rTqgSg

[TwiceHorn 31678]

Well, in a surprise to no one, the goddamned, godforsaken Fifth Circuit stayed Pitman's order.

When did Priscilla Owen become Chief Judge?  How is that even possible that a succession of pinchfaced cunts become Chief Judge of our federal appeals court.

Christ on a cracker.

[Brisketexan 105569]

Well, in a surprise to no one, the goddamned, godforsaken Fifth Circuit stayed Pitman's order.
When did Priscilla Owen become Chief Judge?  How is that even possible that a succession of pinchfaced cunts become Chief Judge of our federal appeals court.

Christ on a cracker.

It’s not a good court. And it’s gotten worse.

Haven’t seen the order yet. Did they write anything? I’m expecting not.