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The following is from The Upshot, my favorite section of the NYTimes, which primarily concerns itself with analyzing data and often has lots of cool infographics. This piece provides a decent description in answering the question: "Who gets an abortion?" I'm leaving this here for informational purposes to perhaps dispel some stereotypes and/or help clarify whom is most impacted.

I certainly learned a thing or two.

 

THE TYPICAL PATIENT ...
Is Already a Mother.
Is in Her Late 20s.
Attended Some College.
Has a Low Income.
Is Unmarried.
Is in Her First 6 Weeks of Pregnancy.
Is Having Her First Abortion.

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That was very eye-opening, thanks for posting.  Surprised at a few states on that map.  I'm guessing a big part of the reason Florida leads the way in abortions is rape/incest.  I'm not joking. 

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Whenever anyone starts questioning whether they had Ana all wrong when they thought he was a troll because he’s sounding reasonable about something else in the future, remember this page.

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  On 12/14/2021 at 3:14 PM, wildcat09 said:

Whenever anyone starts questioning whether they had Ana all wrong when they thought he was a troll because he’s sounding reasonable about something else in the future, remember this page.

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Sir, please, this is the demagoguery thread.

 

Seems that in the current context where we are asked to critically think about how systemic racism is embedded in the founding of the institutions around us, and how that impacts meaningfully policy and outcomes such as health inequities today, the eugenic basis behind the founding of planned parenthood might be relevant.  But maybe they are exempt from the conversation for some reason. 

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  On 12/14/2021 at 3:23 PM, Anastasis said:

Seems that in the current context where we are asked to critically think about how systemic racism is embedded in the founding of the institutions around us, and how that impacts meaningfully policy and outcomes such as health inequities today, the eugenic basis behind the founding of planned parenthood might be relevant.  

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It might be "relevant" in the same sense as the fact that many early members of the KKK were Democrats is "relevant".  It's not reflective of those groups' perspectives today.  Indeed, Planned Parenthood is quite clear in their condemnation of Margaret Sanger's support of ableist and white supremacist viewpoints.

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Does any real man of faith give fuck one about Margaret Sanger's politics when you go in with your wife, for what you hope and pray will be a safe, clean, sympathetic D&C procedure?

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  On 12/14/2021 at 3:42 PM, jimmyjazz said:

It might be "relevant" in the same sense as the fact that many early members of the KKK were Democrats is "relevant".  It's not reflective of those groups' perspectives today.  Indeed, Planned Parenthood is quite clear in their condemnation of Margaret Sanger's support of ableist and white supremacist viewpoints.

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If we are talking about the criminal justice industry, the disproportionate impact of incarceration on people of color is clearly evidence of systemic racism embedded in how that industry functions.

If we are talking about the abortion industry, the disproportionate impact of abortion on people of color is clearly evidence of...?

 

At an absolute minimum, the disproportionate impact on people of color highlights systemic issues along lines of what the Yeti points out, and that those underlying issues should be addressed directly.  The solution isn't more abortions in a system that perpetuates and deepens those inequities while we hand wave the data, the solution is addressing the underlying dysfunction in the system.  

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  On 12/14/2021 at 4:05 PM, Anastasis said:

If we are talking about the criminal justice industry, the disproportionate impact of incarceration on people of color is clearly evidence of systemic racism embedded in how that industry functions.

If we are talking about the abortion industry, the disproportionate impact of abortion on people of color is clearly evidence of...?

 

At an absolute minimum, the disproportionate impact on people of color highlights systemic issues along lines of what the Yeti points out, and that those underlying issues should be addressed directly.  The solution isn't more abortions in a system that perpetuates and deepens those inequities while we hand wave the data, the solution is addressing the underlying dysfunction in the system.  

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Lack of sexual education and a lack of access to contraception for black and brown communities. You know that not a single one of us doesn't support addressing those and would just prefer more abortions instead. You're arguing with a straw man because you're a troll. Fuck off.

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  On 12/14/2021 at 4:05 PM, Anastasis said:

If we are talking about the criminal justice industry, the disproportionate impact of incarceration on people of color is clearly evidence of systemic racism embedded in how that industry functions.

If we are talking about the abortion industry, the disproportionate impact of abortion on people of color is clearly evidence of...?

 

At an absolute minimum, the disproportionate impact on people of color highlights systemic issues along lines of what the Yeti points out, and that those underlying issues should be addressed directly.  The solution isn't more abortions in a system that perpetuates and deepens those inequities while we hand wave the data, the solution is addressing the underlying dysfunction in the system.  

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You spoke about eugenics.  Eugenics has jack shit to do with this topic in 2021.

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  On 12/14/2021 at 4:05 PM, Anastasis said:

If we are talking about the criminal justice industry, the disproportionate impact of incarceration on people of color is clearly evidence of systemic racism embedded in how that industry functions.

If we are talking about the abortion industry, the disproportionate impact of abortion on people of color is clearly evidence of...?

 

At an absolute minimum, the disproportionate impact on people of color highlights systemic issues along lines of what the Yeti points out, and that those underlying issues should be addressed directly.  The solution isn't more abortions in a system that perpetuates and deepens those inequities while we hand wave the data, the solution is addressing the underlying dysfunction in the system.  

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You're reading it backwards. If you want to claim something about abortion is racist, it's that a lack of abortion options would be racist, because it is indeed women of color who need to seek them out more often, which is itself due largely to lack of access to healthcare during a pregnancy and lack of sufficient economic standing to care for a child. Thus a lack of access to abortion would disproportionately harm black women, which would be... racist. 

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  On 12/15/2021 at 12:46 AM, LTbear said:

You're reading it backwards. If you want to claim something about abortion is racist, it's that a lack of abortion options would be racist, because it is indeed women of color who need to seek them out more often, which is itself due largely to lack of access to healthcare during a pregnancy and lack of sufficient economic standing to care for a child. Thus a lack of access to abortion would disproportionately harm black women, which would be... racist. 

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No you don't get it. He's totally thinking critically think about how systemic racism is embedded in the founding of the institutions around us.

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  On 12/14/2021 at 3:42 PM, jimmyjazz said:

It might be "relevant" in the same sense as the fact that many early members of the KKK were Democrats is "relevant".  It's not reflective of those groups' perspectives today.  Indeed, Planned Parenthood is quite clear in their condemnation of Margaret Sanger's support of ableist and white supremacist viewpoints.

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Not to mention that PP has never required or coerced or legislated someone into getting an abortion.

Now, systemic and institutional racism may very well and probably does account for the relatively high percentage of black women seeking and receiving abortions.

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  On 12/15/2021 at 2:07 AM, TwiceHorn said:

Not to mention that PP has never required or coerced or legislated someone into getting an abortion.

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Perhaps an area where we can find some common ground on the topic is legislation to address in some meaningful way intimate partner violence and the correlation with coercion to seek an abortion? The statistical relationship gets pretty strong esp in that 3+ abortion segment that I have focused on previously. There is also a correlation between IPV and preventing abortion seeking, so seems like something #bothsides could coalesce around. 

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I would agree with that idea of common ground.  There certainly is a disturbingly large subset of those abortion statistics that are a result of abuse/coercion.  

However, I have been assured by the top, top men in the Texas State Government that rape, incest, and domestic violence will be ended alongside this new 6-week abortion ban, so no need to keep those abortion options open.  It appears as if your notion of bipartisanship on these topics has already been achieved.  And to that, I say Bravo! 

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Troll: "You're all racist eugenicists!"

Everyone else: "Fuck you, troll"

Troll: "Why can't we find some reasonable common ground? I think you guys should stop being crazy with your opposition to Longhorn victories and come around to my view that it's actually good when the Longhorns win games!" 

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  On 12/15/2021 at 3:07 PM, wildcat09 said:

Troll: "You're all racist eugenicists!"

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I don't think that pointing out the racist eugenic principles that underlay the founding of Planned Parenthood is anything at all like saying "You're all racist eugenicists!". 

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  On 12/15/2021 at 2:34 PM, Lobo said:
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I would agree with that idea of common ground.  There certainly is a disturbingly large subset of those abortion statistics that are a result of abuse/coercion.  
However, I have been assured by the top, top men in the Texas State Government that rape, incest, and domestic violence will be ended alongside this new 6-week abortion ban, so no need to keep those abortion options open.  It appears as if your notion of bipartisanship on these topics has already been achieved.  And to that, I say Bravo! 
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Don’t say it twice more or he’ll start posting diploma pics in here.

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Jfc, Ana. You literally said "eugenicists gonna eugenics" in response to a discussion of modern PP and not the historical underpinnings. Those underpinnings, again, are condemned by PP. 

Stop.

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Ana would prefer to engage in silly hypothetical arguments that nobody believes to distract from the fact that his political allies passed a law modeled after the Fugitive Slave Act that authorized a vigilante bounty system to functionally ban pretty much all abortions in Texas.

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  On 12/15/2021 at 8:16 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Ana about this close to getting ignored. Not really sure why I haven't done it sooner. He adds nothing to my experience here and only serves to obfuscate truth. Kinda done with it, really.

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It won't do any good with all of the other posters quoting him.

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  On 12/15/2021 at 4:51 AM, Anastasis said:

Perhaps an area where we can find some common ground on the topic is legislation to address in some meaningful way intimate partner violence and the correlation with coercion to seek an abortion? The statistical relationship gets pretty strong esp in that 3+ abortion segment that I have focused on previously. There is also a correlation between IPV and preventing abortion seeking, so seems like something #bothsides could coalesce around. 

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oh yeah, common ground, good idea.

 

 

  On 12/14/2021 at 5:48 AM, Anastasis said:

Eugenicists gonna eugenics.   

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oh, yeah, nevermind. Congrats, you have joined the likes of Crispy on ignore.

 

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  On 12/14/2021 at 4:05 PM, Anastasis said:

If we are talking about the criminal justice industry, the disproportionate impact of incarceration on people of color is clearly evidence of systemic racism embedded in how that industry functions.

If we are talking about the abortion industry, the disproportionate impact of abortion on people of color is clearly evidence of...?

 

At an absolute minimum, the disproportionate impact on people of color highlights systemic issues along lines of what the Yeti points out, and that those underlying issues should be addressed directly.  The solution isn't more abortions in a system that perpetuates and deepens those inequities while we hand wave the data, the solution is addressing the underlying dysfunction in the system.  

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Cant win with people like you

Abortion is evil murder, so you want to force poor uneducated minorities ( who for once in the lives are actually tying to make the correct educated decision) to have children they can not afford and when they end up on government aide, welfare food stamps wic you'll bitch and moan about them being lazy freeloaders who should get up off their ass and get a job

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  On 12/16/2021 at 10:35 PM, Smax said:

 

 

Cant win with people like you

Abortion is evil murder, so you want to force poor uneducated minorities ( who for once in the lives are actually tying to make the correct educated decision) to have children they can not afford and when they end up on government aide, welfare food stamps wic you'll bitch and moan about them being lazy freeloaders who should get up off their ass and get a job

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who got a hold of Smax' account?

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hers.com gonna start ads during lifetime movies about getting your *discreetly packaged* pills without that embarrassing in-person office visit

 

i'm assuming the advertising of such pills and mailing of them into texas would be sufficient basis for state long arm jurisdiction for suit under SB8. 

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  On 12/16/2021 at 11:00 PM, elfenix said:

hers.com gonna start ads during lifetime movies about getting your *discreetly packaged* pills without that embarrassing in-person office visit

 

i'm assuming the advertising of such pills and mailing of them into texas would be sufficient basis for state long arm jurisdiction for suit under SB8. 

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You're probably right, the small government no overreach rulers of Texas will no doubt try something.... 

As far as I can tell, plan B follows the law as its only effective if taken within 72 hours of intercourse, then again this is Texas gop we're talking about so wtf knows what they'll try and do

 

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  On 12/16/2021 at 10:35 PM, Smax said:

Cant win with people like you

Abortion is evil murder, so you want to force poor uneducated minorities ( who for once in the lives are actually tying to make the correct educated decision) to have children they can not afford and when they end up on government aide, welfare food stamps wic you'll bitch and moan about them being lazy freeloaders who should get up off their ass and get a job

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I would be thrilled to live in a society that prioritized social support for disadvantaged mothers over F22s and cruise missiles.

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we can't afford a $1.75T human capital bill that maybe sorta tries to pay for itself because we're too busy passing $8.00T defense bills that don't even attempt to pay for themselves. 

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  On 12/17/2021 at 12:29 AM, Smax said:

 

You're probably right, the small government no overreach rulers of Texas will no doubt try something.... 

As far as I can tell, plan B follows the law as its only effective if taken within 72 hours of intercourse, then again this is Texas gop we're talking about so wtf knows what they'll try and do

 

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I believe the drug in question is RU-486, the actual abortion pill, rather than Plan B.  So yes, Huffines and his lapdog Abbott will probably get on this right away.

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