Official Thread for Abortion Demagoguery

[CooterBrown 17,913]

If I had Soros money, I would use it to seed a center-right party that appealed to conservatives that are holding their nose while voting GOP these days.  The quickest path back to what we've lost is to fracture the GQP along its fault lines between fiscal conservatives, libertarians, evangelicals and white nationalists.  You know, like what has happened to the US as a whole.  Expecting a critical mass of conservatives to join a losing Dem team and vote completely against their beliefs is not realistic.  The frog will have been poached long before they could bring themselves to do that.

Honestly, fuck the center right. Who do think is putting the current GQP over the top in the mid terms? It ain’t the left.

The center right may present themselves as moderate but without fail, they are reliable GQP voters.

[Goredho 17,349]

8 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Honestly, fuck the center right. Who do think is putting the current GQP over the top in the mid terms? It ain’t the left.

The center right may present themselves as moderate but without fail, they are reliable GQP voters.

It’s not trying to help the center right.  It’s trying to divide and conquer the block of voters that united behind Trump.

[atomheartbevo 89,449]

3 hours ago, Goredho said:

If I had Soros money, I would use it to seed a center-right party that appealed to conservatives that are holding their nose while voting GOP these days.  The quickest path back to what we've lost is to fracture the GQP along its fault lines between fiscal conservatives, libertarians, evangelicals and white nationalists.  You know, like what has happened to the US as a whole.  Expecting a critical mass of conservatives to join a losing Dem team and vote completely against their beliefs is not realistic.  The frog will have been poached long before they could bring themselves to do that.

That’s the logical thing to do,  but it’s easier said than done.  I think it would be easier to shock a lot of people who don’t normally vote into voting, helped by Republicans publicly wanting to turn things into a full police state, particularly in Texas.

You would need a lot of Don Huffines across the US, Republicans willing to challenge the incumbents very loudly, but more importantly, you would need them to actually run third party.  So throw in a Ron Paul movement.

I mean actually walk the walk.  If Don Huffines actually believed everything he said about Greg Abbott and the Texas GOP, he would have turned his Quixotic quest into a third party run for the general election, and he would have fully denounced Abbott and the GOP after the primaries, and continued to work against Abbott.  But like all good little Republicans, Huffines ultimately towed the line.

Something like the original Tea Party movement in 2009/2010.  But remember how the Republican leaders, and more importantly, the Republican BMDs were able to easily manipulate and use the Tea Party movement as a distraction?  The Tea Party movement presented itself as a grassroots organization, and aspects of it certainly appealed to plenty of dissatisfied Republicans, including those folks like me who had bailed on the GOP in the previous election cycle or two prior to McCain/Palin.  Sounded awesome in some ways, batshitty in others (aka Libertarian Party).

But for all of the “grassroots” appeal, you had “grass roots” “Tea Party” events being organized by groups run by people like Dick Armey and funded by the Koch brothers.  There’s nothing grass roots and “indepdent” about events being ultimately funded by Republican BMDs.  And I include the Koch brothers in the Republican BMDs, because the Kochs had the money to fracture the GOP, and could have even used the Tea Party movement to do it (it caught on with more mainstream Republicans than parties like the Constitutional and Libertarian parties). In just a few short years, many dissatisfied Republicans were allowed to blow off steam through the Tea Party, etc. and they were fully back in the fold by the time 2012 rolled around. And you even had Glenn Beck and others on Fox News “supporting” the movement.

I think the GOP is ripe for fracturing, but you would be fighting Fox News (which is arguably more powerful among the right wingers than it was during the Tea Party peak) and you’d be fighting Republican BMDs.

Trump could do it.   Quietly tell him you’ll send hundreds of millions to his properties and PACs, and all he has to do is make MAGA a true third party.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Hey! Those states do the same thing for folks who go to Vegas to gamble…
 
Wait! What?

Or Colorado for weed?

[atomheartbevo 89,449]

17 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Or Colorado for weed?

Yep.  License plate scanners.  DPS can pull over cars with women that recently traveled to pro-murder states!

And tests can show the presence of hCG hormones after an abortion.

Edited July 16, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[Sawbonz 27,436]

 

[henrygandorf 29,177]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Trump could do it.   Quietly tell him you’ll send hundreds of millions to his properties and PACs, and all he has to do is make MAGA a true third party.

yep.  the only realistic way this happens is if desantis wins the r nom in 2024.  then trump will tantrum out, either try to run as a 3rd party or burn the party down on his way out.  he will certainly not campaign for desantis and will likely hold rallies just to talk shit and get his supporters to fuck shit up and not vote for anyone.  think bernie vs hillary x50.  or for a more accurate pop culture reference...

[atomheartbevo 89,449]

12 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

yep.  the only realistic way this happens is if desantis wins the r nom in 2024.  then trump will tantrum out, either try to run as a 3rd party or burn the party down on his way out.  he will certainly not campaign for desantis and will likely hold rallies just to talk shit and get his supporters to fuck shit up and not vote for anyone.  think bernie vs hillary x50.  or for a more accurate pop culture reference...

Even if Trump sits ‘24 our, he’s still going to try and funnel money away from the GOP and into his coffers.

Republicans are doing the Dems a huge favor by going all Handmaid’s Tale with the abortion stuff.  I will be curious to see if DeSantis goes all in on tracking women down who leave Florida for an abortion.  I think people are underestimating the impact the abortion stuff will have on this fall’s elections.

[Biff Tannen 45,499]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Even if Trump sits ‘24 our, he’s still going to try and funnel money away from the GOP and into his coffers.

 

He will do this until he dies, whether he's running or not.  The Rs made their bed with this one.

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Republicans are doing the Dems a huge favor by going all Handmaid’s Tale with the abortion stuff.  I will be curious to see if DeSantis goes all in on tracking women down who leave Florida for an abortion.  I think people are underestimating the impact the abortion stuff will have on this fall’s elections.

Lyin Ted Cruz doing the same.  I don't have any illusions that R Texas women will do the rational thing, but it will be interesting to see if this changes things.

[atomheartbevo 89,449]

30 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Lyin Ted Cruz doing the same.  I don't have any illusions that R Texas women will do the rational thing, but it will be interesting to see if this changes things.

I think it makes an impact.  Telling women they can be tracked and prosecuted by the state to make sure they don’t leave to have an abortion, that kind of shit crosses party lines.  It’s easy to ignore a lot of shit, just keep your head down and keep doing what you’re doing and pretend it doesn’t impact you, but when Republicans in the Texas legislature are publicly talking about straight up tracking women who leave the state…that going to get a shitload of soccer moms, etc. wound up, including plenty of groups from Republican areas.

And Ted is out there making sure everybody knows this isn’t just about abortion, now that he’s moving on to gay marriage.  It’s just a matter of time until the Republicans also throw in birth control, just as predicted by Clarence Thomas, etc.  

They’ve shown us their gameplan, and they did it before midterms.   Evil dumbasses.

[elfenix 34,171]

republicans want to raise taxes on poors and middle to pay for the government that keeps wealthy people wealthy and wealthier.

republicans want women (and children!) to undergo pregnancy to the point of death

republicans want LGBTQ+ back in the closet, out of sight, out of mind. except for when cops want to go beating heads of course. 

republicans want gun dystopia where children and people going about their daily lives have to live in constant fear of getting their faces shot off

republicans want easily preventable diseases running rampant through society

 

 

Edited July 16, 2022 by elfenix

[Brisketexan 104,628]

I think it makes an impact.  Telling women they can be tracked and prosecuted by the state to make sure they don’t leave to have an abortion, that kind of shit crosses party lines.  It’s easy to ignore a lot of shit, just keep your head down and keep doing what you’re doing and pretend it doesn’t impact you, but when Republicans in the Texas legislature are publicly talking about straight up tracking women who leave the state…that going to get a shitload of soccer moms, etc. wound up, including plenty of groups from Republican areas.
And Ted is out there making sure everybody knows this isn’t just about abortion, now that he’s moving on to gay marriage.  It’s just a matter of time until the Republicans also throw in birth control, just as predicted by Clarence Thomas, etc.  
They’ve shown us their gameplan, and they did it before midterms.   Evil dumbasses.

They’re dumbasses….except for the fact that they’ve already run the numbers. It won’t cost them a single net vote.

Because SorosBidensocialismfreedomeaglestandfortheflagkneelforthecross etc.

Every aggy GQP voter in Katy, Montgomery county, etc, will still vote GQP. Partially because they LIKE being mean to the queers and fags and whatnot, but mostly because of that long word I posted. The GQP figured out that the most important voter demographic is easily frightened idiots, and they own them now. They would drive their jacked up 6-year financed F-250s off a cliff en masse to show up the libs.

[HenryJames 65,890]

 

[Sawbonz 27,436]

4 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

There is a high likelihood they had to do a hysterectomy to save her life. Even if they were able to save the uterus the endometrium may be too scarred to support another pregnancy 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

There is a high likelihood they had to do a hysterectomy to save her life. Even if they were able to save the uterus the endometrium may be too scarred to support another pregnancy 

That’s the price she must pay for being a woman 

- Republicans 

[Bullneck 18,987]

 

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,546]

"In Florida, where Silver's congregation is already suing to overturn the state's abortion ban, state law specifically bars the government from interfering with religious practices. That law was sponsored and backed in part by conservative Christians who wanted to ensure they could exercise their faith without government interference.

"The religious argument is just every bit as strong as the privacy argument," Silver said of the lawsuit. "They can't just toss it aside and say it doesn't matter because the whole line of the law and cases were brought by fundamentalist Christians.""

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/us/religions-dont-agree-on-abortion-thats-why-some-faiths-plan-to-take-their-case-to-court/ar-AAZFjux?ocid=sapphireappshare

 

[Biff Tannen 45,499]

19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

They would drive their jacked up 6-year financed F-250s off a cliff en masse to show up the libs.

Surely we can figure out a way to make this happen.

[Sawbonz 27,436]

13 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

They can't just toss it aside and say it doesn't matter

[jimmyjazz 45,560]

That's the daschund version of "whatchu talkin' about, Willis?"

[Bullneck 18,987]

 

 

[Dutchrudder 11,115]

Didn't see this posted here yet. Just wow...

[Dutchrudder 11,115]

More on that Idaho thing, it was the Republican party voting on their platform. While that's not exactly how the state congress will vote, since they control the entire government there, they will likely pass bills with no exceptions.  Oh but hey there doctors, if it does get real bad, remember your Hippocratic oath, and do the right thing, although you might get prosecuted for it and get jail time!

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By a nearly four-to-one margin, Idaho Republicans at the state party’s convention in Twin Falls rejected an amendment to the party platform on Saturday that would have provided an exception for a mother who has an abortion to safe her life.

Scott Herndon, a candidate for the Idaho Senate who won the Republican primary over Sen. Jim Woodward, R-Sagle, in May and has no opponent in the general election, proposed adding language to the party platform about abortion. While language already existed in the platform classifying abortion as murder from the moment of fertilization, Herndon’s language added that the party supports the criminalization of all abortions within the state’s jurisdiction and said Idaho’s Constitution should be amended to include a “declaration of the right to life for preborn children.”

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“For the last 49 years we have essentially lost the argument in the culture because we have focused on abortion as the termination of a pregnancy and not the termination of a living human being,” Herdon told delegates.

He also said the oath a doctor takes to do no harm covers such situations, and if a doctor is treating a pregnant person and the unborn child, it is in line with standards of medical care to determine who can legitimately be saved. To add exceptions would be to give priority to one patient over the other, he said.

“We will never win this human rights issue, the greatest of our time, if we make allowances for the intentional killing of another human being,” Herndon said.

The delegation did approve an amendment to Herndon’s language to exclude miscarriages from criminal penalties.

...

 

 

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/07/16/no-exception-for-life-of-mother-included-in-idaho-gops-abortion-platform-language/

Edited July 18, 2022 by Dutchrudder

[HenryJames 65,890]

 

[Brisketexan 104,628]

5 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

All of these stories and tales of woe would have some oomph if women were human beings.  But, being that we are well on the way to returning them to the status that God intended -- chattel -- you might as well be telling us a tale of woe about a farmer's milk cow.  Blah blah blah, who cares, they aren't real citizens with human rights or agency, so it doesn't even move the needle.

[Sawbonz 27,436]

 

[Brisketexan 104,628]

 

You misspelled “sluts who should take responsibility for their choices.” That’s what the GQP tells me.

[DigglerontheHoof 21,065]

I've noticed all our little states-rights, fascists sure have gone silent in this thread. 

[elfenix 34,171]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

You misspelled “sluts who should take responsibility for their choices.” That’s what the GQP tells me.

the closest to viral i ever came was replying to one of those demons with "no one in a long term monogamous relationship has ever had an abortion"

most people fell into the sarchasm. 

[Goofyboy 3,206]

I've noticed all our little states-rights, fascists sure have gone silent in this thread. 

They have moved on to gear up for gay marriage being over turned and then segregated schools.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

6 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

They have moved on to gear up for gay marriage being over turned and then segregated schools.

I can’t wait to see the old tropes of homosexuality leads to pedophilia and separate but equal. 
 

[hpslugga 4,044]

3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

 

No way because it’s not really an abortion if an 11-year old terminates a pregnancy via voluntary inducement of a miscarriage.

[atomheartbevo 89,449]

Twitter saying Walgreens is allowing employees to refuse to sell/ring up birth control.  

Also discussion about their selling data about pregnancy tests (which is probably true since they probably sell data about everyone). 

[Biff Tannen 45,499]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Twitter saying Walgreens is allowing employees to refuse to sell/ring up birth control.  

Also discussion about their selling data about pregnancy tests (which is probably true since they probably sell data about everyone). 

[Brisketexan 104,628]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I can’t wait to see the old tropes of homosexuality leads to pedophilia and separate but equal. 
 

When you go to a concert where the audience is all Boomers, they're only going to want you to play the hits.

Homosexuality = pedophilia!

Separate but Equal satisfies the law!

State's rights!

Who can marry who is absolutely the State's business (applies to gays and different races)!

Any establishment should have the right to decide who it lets in! (so they finally get to kick blacks, jews, and hispanics out of the country clubs, nice restaurants, etc.)

And the Bible backs us up on all of these!

 

Dust off every argument ever used in support of Jim Crown, denying women basic rights, all that shit, because you're going to hear them in rapid succession in the coming months.  This isn't hyperbole.  Dobbs came out, we told you they'd be coming for contraception and gay marriage next, and they've already told you multiple times "yep, we're coming for those things."  They're coming for it.  All of it.

You better be a straight white "Christian" male, or else you can get proper fucked.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9,308]

34 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Twitter saying Walgreens is allowing employees to refuse to sell/ring up birth control.  

Also discussion about their selling data about pregnancy tests (which is probably true since they probably sell data about everyone). 

So a woman gets her birth control prescription filled at Walgreens, gets the text/email that it's ready, and then shows up only to have some theocrat supporting religious zealot say "not today, Satan?"

Fuck this simulation.

[Beau Vine 54,003]

 

[staboner 4,959]

making sure people who don't exist are valued more than people who do exist. its fucking revelations end of world level mental illness. 

completely removed from caring about the next generation, the earth, fucking anything that isn't their tiny judgement on the here and now. Its such a degenerate and hopeless mindset. fuck its depressing. 

[staboner 4,959]

20 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Didn't see this posted here yet. Just wow...

i mean wtf is this? this literally killing the living to protect the unborn. 

we are going to come back in a few years when the *insert-minority-population* concentration camps are happening and wondering how TF we ended up like this

[HenryJames 65,890]

 

[Biff Tannen 45,499]

1 hour ago, staboner said:

we are going to come back in a few years when the *insert-minority-population* concentration camps are happening and wondering how TF we ended up like this

Well, us Ledge-sitters won't.

[Bullneck 18,987]

20 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Didn't see this posted here yet. Just wow...

I'm hoping 412 people die before they can get a kidney transplant.

[CooterBrown 17,913]

i mean wtf is this? this literally killing the living to protect the unborn. 

Wrong. They’re killing the living to protect the dead. These aren’t viable fetuses. They’re already dead or terminally unviable.

[staboner 4,959]

21 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

Wrong. They’re killing the living to protect the dead. These aren’t viable fetuses. They’re already dead or terminally unviable.

[6th Street 6,357]

At what point do people move out of backwards places like TX and LA because of these archaic laws? 

[Biff Tannen 45,499]

1 hour ago, 6th Street said:

At what point do people move out of backwards places like TX and LA because of these archaic laws? 

Well there's a whole thread on it.

[Gap03 3,287]

19 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

At what point do people move out of backwards places like TX and LA because of these archaic laws? 

And Josh Hawley gave away their gameplan:

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“I would predict that the effect is going to be that more and more red states are going to become more red, purple states are going to become red and the blue states are going to get a lot bluer,” Hawley said. “And I would look for Republicans as a result of this to extend their strength in the Electoral College. And that’s very good news.”

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article262849238.html#storylink=cpy

Fucking morally repugnant cunt.

[atomheartbevo 89,449]

Walgreens shit goes back years

 

[Brisketexan 104,628]

i mean wtf is this? this literally killing the living to protect the unborn. 
we are going to come back in a few years when the *insert-minority-population* concentration camps are happening and wondering how TF we ended up like this

“A few years.” You’re adorable.

[Pancho 44,487]