Official Thread for Abortion Demagoguery

[hpslugga 4062]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

"Abortion panels".

Well since they think abortion is murder, it’s really “death panels.”

[Cement 314]

It will never not be funny that you out of touch lunatics ( @PenelopeWitherspoon, @Bama Chick, @trauma babe) really thought this was going to be a ROEvember.

Maybe the American people are even more disgusted at the thought of infanticide 38 week abortions as they are with outlawing abortions entirely.

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by immamac
Bye bitch

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19103]

3 minutes ago, Cement said:

It will never not be funny that you out of touch lunatics ( @PenelopeWitherspoon, @Bama Chick, @trauma babe) really thought this was going to be a ROEvember.

Maybe the American people are even more disgusted at the thought of infanticide 38 week abortions as they are with outlawing abortions entirely.

 

Hey @immamac and @hayden_horn, this is very clearly a troll post.  Cement needs to go.

Edited November 2, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[elfenix 34264]

4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

“Community level review process”???

What, like a HOA for abortion?

Fucking insanity.
 

"if you were really raped your body would have shut that down"

[elfenix 34264]

21 minutes ago, Cement said:

It will never not be funny that you out of touch lunatics ( @PenelopeWitherspoon, @Bama Chick, @trauma babe) really thought this was going to be a ROEvember.

Maybe the American people are even more disgusted at the thought of infanticide 38 week abortions as they are with outlawing abortions entirely.

 

@Cement wants women to die if they have a devastating complication at 38 weeks.

[elfenix 34264]

the people who lead @Cement around by the nose know that he's gullible enough to believe their lies that a woman wakes up one day, damn near 9 months pregnant, decides, "fuck it," and then somehow finds a doc willing to do the deed.  and he is, in fact, that gullible.

[wildcat09 29354]

8 minutes ago, elfenix said:

@Cement wants women to die if they have a devastating complication at 38 weeks.

FIFY.

[elfenix 34264]

[Biff Tannen 45691]

He's like a caricature of a troll.  

[Bama Chick 28596]

[mention=5514]Cement[/mention] wants women to die if they have a devastating complication at 38 weeks.

He wants women to suffer and die because he’s cursed with a tiny dick and he’s too gross for any self respecting woman to want to fuck.

He’s probably a rapist.

[mchookem 16336]

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19103]

Well, he is definitely a cunt.  And worse, isn't Cement an Aggy?

[Poe It Up 126]

1 hour ago, Cement said:

It will never not be funny that you out of touch lunatics ( @PenelopeWitherspoon, @Bama Chick, @trauma babe) really thought this was going to be a ROEvember.

Maybe the American people are even more disgusted at the thought of infanticide 38 week abortions as they are with outlawing abortions entirely.

 

Ruh Roe. 

[sidis 9828]

25 minutes ago, Poe It Up said:

Ruh Roe. 

i wish you took a bit more pride in your trolling work.  at least give the tiniest of efforts.  it's sad.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, sidis said:

i wish you took a bit more pride in your trolling work.  at least give the tiniest of efforts.  it's sad.

Deviant arrested development often is.

[Poe It Up 126]

1 hour ago, sidis said:

i wish you took a bit more pride in your trolling work.  at least give the tiniest of efforts.  it's sad.

Fair enough, back to the drawing board. 

[sidis 9828]

1 minute ago, Poe It Up said:

Fair enough, back to the drawing board. 

[jimmyjazz 45963]

Sement needs to ratchet up his game.

[hpslugga 4062]

3 hours ago, elfenix said:

the people who lead @Cement around by the nose know that he's gullible enough to believe their lies that a woman wakes up one day, damn near 9 months pregnant, decides, "fuck it," and then somehow finds a doc willing to do the deed.  and he is, in fact, that gullible.

Oh there’s no question. When you see someone saying that the reason “liberals” want(ed) to keep Roe alive is because they’re just itching to see a rash of late/partial abortions, you’re dealing either with a dishonest person or a stupid person because every word of the underlined portion of this sentence is absolutely wrong about absolutely everything that it says and/or implies.

They know full well that around 90% of all abortions performed in the US are done in the first trimester, damn near all the rest are in the early stages of the second trimester, and the token few (less than one percent) that are late/partial are done as either a medical necessity, or resulting in previous lack of access, in its isolated circumstances.

If they don’t know it, they’re willfully ignorant. This isn’t secret information, and it’s not new either. A quick Google search turns up a 1984 article from the NIH:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6519237/

First line: “Late abortion remains a complex and difficult issue in the United States, where about 10 percent of all abortions are performed at 13 or more weeks' gestation. The reasons why women delay having abortions appear to be largely personal, and most are not amenable to public health intervention.”

So that information is at least 38 years old, so the snowflakes who perpetrate this “38 weeks” crap have no excuse. We know to at least a 90% degree of certainty that they’re just straight up lying through their teeth, and the rest are just dumber than a screen door on a submarine.

There’s also a tremendous shortage of human decency and morality that would drive someone to say something that hideous and that pitiful. You’d have to be an extremely pathetic and weak individual to produce the kind of useless, feeble, garbled drivel that was posted by Cement.

[Willfully Horn 8017]

On 11/2/2022 at 12:01 PM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Hey @immamac and @hayden_horn, this is very clearly a troll post.  Cement needs to go.

Misogyny is not our standard.

[Willfully Horn 8017]

Another awesome proclamation by a bad ass.

Sode note, China seems interfere-ish,

 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

Saw a good ad this morning with a little girl in a doctor's office getting advice on being pregnant and having a kid.  Ended with "Abbott wanted this".  

[Anastasis 23474]

1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

Another awesome proclamation by a bad ass.

Sode note, China seems interfere-ish,

 

 

This time a suspended tiktok inside a tweet.  Nice.

 

If you cannot afford your offspring you should certainly kill them before they are born. 

 

For economic reasons. 

 

This is how a modern and highly functional society thinks. 

[mchookem 16336]

2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Another awesome proclamation by a bad ass.

Sode note, China seems interfere-ish,

 

i think i'm in love. and i'm not gay. 

[tx 3 putt 76980]

 

 

[Goofyboy 3293]

 
This time a suspended tiktok inside a tweet.  Nice.
 
If you cannot afford your offspring you should certainly kill them before they are born. 
 
For economic reasons. 
 
This is how a modern and highly functional society thinks. 

You’d prefer they have them and then let them starve.
In reality, you don’t care. Abortion has absolutely zero impact on your life other than you have an opinion.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19103]

7 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Misogyny is not our standard.

Unfortunately, it is.  The way the female posters of Surly get talked to by some of the posters here is disgusting.  It's one of the few things I do report (blatant trolling and CR outside of the CR the other two).  The personal attacks and the PMs I know I've had to deal with as a long time member of this community are pretty disgusting.  I'm sure @Bama Chick, @trauma babe, and our other lady posters have similar experiences.  

[Willfully Horn 8017]

On 11/3/2022 at 11:51 PM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Unfortunately, it is.  The way the female posters of Surly get talked to by some of the posters here is disgusting.  It's one of the few things I do report (blatant trolling and CR outside of the CR the other two).  The personal attacks and the PMs I know I've had to deal with as a long time member of this community are pretty disgusting.  I'm sure @Bama Chick, @trauma babe, and our other lady posters have similar experiences.  

I trust you believe me when I say I am not disagreeing with you, when I point out that standard can also be a benchmark for comparison or expectation, alongside its more commonly used meaning: a representative performance.

No doubt I do not feel, or see, as keenly, misogyny on Surly, as do our female family members. And the voices that drew me to Surly would not carry the weight I felt if misogyny was a thread in those particular tapestries.

We ought claim misogynistic rhetoric has no place on Surly. Apparently, the message doesn’t convey as merely an expectation.

Edited November 5, 2022 by Willfully Horn

[TexEx15 17535]

 

[Sawbonz 27565]

On 11/2/2022 at 7:33 AM, Bama Chick said:

“Community level review process”???

What, like a HOA for abortion?

Fucking insanity.
 

Look at those milk jug ears

[Sawbonz 27565]

On 11/3/2022 at 6:09 PM, Anastasis said:

 

This time a suspended tiktok inside a tweet.  Nice.

 

If you cannot afford your offspring you should certainly kill them before they are born. 

 

For economic reasons. 

 

This is how a modern and highly functional society thinks. 

In your opinion what gestational age does it become an offspring? Don’t bother replying unless it’s in weeks gestation 

[Biff Tannen 45691]

17 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

In your opinion what gestational age does it become an offspring? Don’t bother replying unless it’s in weeks gestation 

Had this convo last night with two doctors. 22-24 weeks. Lungs develop, fetus can survive outside the womb. 

[Sawbonz 27565]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Had this convo last night with two doctors. 22-24 weeks. Lungs develop, fetus can survive outside the womb. 

Technology is constantly improving outcomes, but 26 weeks is the cutoff for >50% survival with reasonable chance no lasting neurological, cognitive, or GI impairment 

 

I think 26 weeks is the reasonable point to argue the state has a legal interest in weighing the rights of the fetus vs the rights of the woman. Prior to that it’s a moral/religious issue only IMO

[Anastasis 23474]

3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

In your opinion what gestational age does it become an offspring? Don’t bother replying unless it’s in weeks gestation 

It is not really an opinion.  More of a biological reality.  At least in the case of homo sapiens, an offspring is formed when the haploid gametes from two progenitors fuse to form a new diploid organism with a unique genetic suite of biological information. 

[Sawbonz 27565]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It is not really an opinion.  More of a biological reality.  At least in the case of homo sapiens, an offspring is formed when the haploid gametes from two progenitors fuse to form a new diploid organism with a unique genetic suite of biological information. 

Interesting. In your biological reality a molar pregnancy is an “offspring” and  a fetus with Down or Turner Syndrome is not

[Anastasis 23474]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Interesting. In your biological reality a molar pregnancy is an “offspring” and  a fetus with Down or Turner Syndrome is not

LOL.  You are certainly free to argue that abnormal genetic conditions, whether heritable or developmental in their origin, disqualify certain humans from full status and consideration as offspring.  I will not do so, but you certainly are free to go down that path.   

[Sawbonz 27565]

5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

LOL.  You are certainly free to argue that abnormal genetic conditions, whether heritable or developmental in their origin, disqualify certain humans from full status and consideration as offspring.  I will not do so, but you certainly are free to go down that path.   

I’m just using your definition. 

[Anastasis 23474]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

I’m just using your definition. 

And as you well know, it is an accurate biological definition. You are falling back to an exception fallacy because genetic disorders that result in abnormal chromosome makeup exist.  

[Sawbonz 27565]

17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

And as you well know, it is an accurate biological definition. You are falling back to an exception fallacy because genetic disorders that result in abnormal chromosome makeup exist.  

It’s no fallacy. Your definition includes euploidy as a key component of being an offspring, which clearly makes it wrong 

[Anastasis 23474]

48 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

It’s no fallacy. Your definition includes euploidy as a key component of being an offspring, which clearly makes it wrong 

I admire the pedantry. Do you continue to object to the definition if we just strike "haploid" and "diploid"?  The definition as stated is accurate based on the normative biological process, and easily generalizable to account for genetic deviations from those norms. 

[Sawbonz 27565]

Just now, Anastasis said:

I admire the pedantry. Do you continue to object to the definition if we just strike "haploid" and "diploid"?  The definition as stated is accurate based on the normative biological process, and easily generalizable to account for genetic deviations from those norms. 

It’s not pedantry. It acknowledges the complexity involved in defining a human, and by extension their offspring. A key component of your definition is euploidy, which is neither necessary nor sufficient for an individual to be human. Now you want to add exceptions. That’s my entire point. 
 

 

[Anastasis 23474]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

That’s my entire point. 

It is not a very strong one. If you find that definition too constraining it is easily generalized. 

[Sawbonz 27565]

Just now, Anastasis said:

It is not a very strong one. If you find that definition too constraining it is easily generalized. 

You’re trying to make a “scientific” argument that a zygote is a human. And you are failing

[Willfully Horn 8017]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

I admire the pedantry. Do you continue to object to the definition if we just strike "haploid" and "diploid"?  The definition as stated is accurate based on the normative biological process, and easily generalizable to account for genetic deviations from those norms. 

What’s it like, living in a mind-space where one just picks snd chooses what words don’t belong in a definition? (Talk about pedantic)!   Or one where your personally preferred definition Trumps (no typo) the definition used by the rest of that language’s speakers?
 

Certainly, the arrogance that mind-space requires prepares a person to determine that the Rule of Law is also a cafeteria style outfit.

 

And, yes, sir. If ending the potential for another child enhances the chance of survival for the family, or species, you do. It’s nothing new. It is an observable phenomenon in nature.

57 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

It is not a very strong one. If you find that definition too constraining it is easily generalized. 

This human, father of his family, rests.

Edited November 5, 2022 by Willfully Horn
Ugh

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19103]

Ana tries to obfuscate the truth that his argument is complete horseshit by using big words.  Ultimately, and this is the whole fucking point of the matter, Ana and his ilk don't give a shit about life.  They want control over women.  They want to go back to the times when women couldn't own property.  Hell, did you know that as recently as the 70s, women couldn't get credit cards in their own names?  That is what they want.  Women that are subjegated to them.  And the reason why is that they are struggling to compete.  Taking away a woman's right to bodily autonomy puts women right back into the place that people like Ana want them to be in...dependend and beholden to men.  FUCK YOU.

[jimmyjazz 45963]

41 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Ana tries to obfuscate the truth that his argument is complete horseshit by using big words.  

You new here?

[Sawbonz 27565]

Anastasis has posted on this topic going back to hornfans. I don’t think he argues in bad faith and I don’t think he wants to control women’s bodies. I think he believes terminating a pregnancy at any stage ends a human being’s life. That stance is not supported by science IMO. It’s a moral or religious stance IMO, and reasonable to hold as a personal belief, but it shouldn’t be the basis for abortion law
 

Defining what makes a human being is not an easy task, but in terms of an embryo/fetus it is very easy to make the case from a scientific point it is well after implantation and well before 32 weeks. 

[jimmyjazz 45963]

14 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Anastasis has posted on this topic going back to hornfans. I don’t think he argues in bad faith and I don’t think he wants to control women’s bodies. I think he believes terminating a pregnancy at any stage ends a human being’s life. That stance is not supported by science IMO. It’s a moral or religious stance IMO, and reasonable to hold as a personal belief, but it shouldn’t be the basis for abortion law
 

Defining what makes a human being is not an easy task, but in terms of an embryo/fetus it is very easy to make the case from a scientific point it is well after implantation and well before 32 weeks. 

He argues the exact opposite -- that conception is the point where the science is clear and that any other later date is a moral or religious perspective.

I think it's ridiculously flawed "logic", but he's equally staunch that it's bulletproof logic and that the opposite stance is weak.  I think it shows a remarkable inability to suss out shades of gray and weigh competing data along with competing rights, but hey, I'm just a dumb engineer and he's a "scientist".  Hey to Sheldon.

 

[Anastasis 23474]

4 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

You’re trying to make a “scientific” argument that a zygote is a human. And you are failing

Come on bonz, the product of human conception is a human zygote.  It isn't a carrot zygote.

[Sawbonz 27565]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Come on bonz, the product of human conception is a human zygote.  It isn't a carrot zygote.

Sure. It’s a human zygote. Not a human being