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Bama Chick
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No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

Brisketexan
Brisketexan

I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

hayden_horn
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of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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On 3/18/2023 at 12:16 PM, Mrs Whiggins said:

The Ledge could have *poetry in springtime if you like; you know things such as 'gather ye rosebuds while ye may...' or "...the lone and level sands stretch far away' or 'Then we will have tonight,' -we said- 'Tomorrow may we not be dead?' or '...She was advised to play coy, exhorted to come on hearty, exercise, diet, smile and wheedle....' or there is the following poem which will really bum you out so it is spoilered:

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A Good Woman Would Never

by Sylvia Beato, 3rd place award winner in the 2017 Split This Rock Abortion Rights poetry contest

for years you told no one
how you cried yourself to sleep
after the doctor held your hand
“are you sure about this?”

how you cried yourself to sleep
while blood poured down your legs
“are you sure about this?”
and protestors booed outside the clinic

while blood poured down your legs
you stopped believing in god
and protesters booed outside the clinic
because a good woman would never

you stopped believing in god
“are you sure about this?”
because a good woman would never
for years you told no one
 

 

 

Some folks have decided that women are to be the shame eaters for all of society's ills.

 

 

*Selections are, in order, from:

To the Virgins, to Make Much of Time by Robert Herrick; Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley; On Cheating The Fiddler by Dorothy Parker; and Barbie Doll by Marge Piercy. I'm not  well-read in poetry but I believe it to be a worthwhile endeavor.

ee cummings

pitypoor manunkind 

'pity this busy monster, manunkind' 

pity this busy monster, manunkind,

not. Progress is a comfortable disease:
your victim (death and life safely beyond)

plays with the bigness of his littleness
--- electrons deify one razorblade
into a mountainrange; lenses extend
unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish
returns on its unself.
                          A world of made
is not a world of born --- pity poor flesh

and trees, poor stars and stones, but never this
fine specimen of hypermagical

ultraomnipotence. We doctors know

a hopeless case if --- listen: there's a hell
of a good universe next door; let's go

E. E. Cummings

 

 

 

 

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Biff Tannen

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23 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Well, it looks like Texas is in the finding out stage.  

As is Idaho.

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Bonner General Health hospital in Sandpoint, ID, announced on Friday that it will no longer provide labor, delivery, and a host of other obstetrician services, citing increasing criminalization of physicians and the inability to retain pediatricians as major contributing factors. Bonner General is the only hospital in a 50-mile radius, and the residents of Sandpoint will now be forced to travel for hours to receive this basic and essential care. The hospital’s leadership made a statement saying that the decision to eliminate the obstetrics unit came from the “political climate” in Idaho, which has caused “highly respected, talented physicians” to leave the state entirely. They continued, “The Idaho legislature continues to introduce and pass bills that criminalize physicians for medical care nationally recognized as the standard of care.” The Dobbs decision legalized a state ban on abortions after six weeks of pregnancy, and Idaho is one of six states that prosecutes doctors for providing the procedure. The Idaho legislature is also terminating its maternal mortality review committee.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/20/idaho-bonner-hospital-baby-delivery-abortion-ban

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Biff Tannen

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3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I saw that article earlier.  Republicans are idiots.  Good luck getting any talented people to move to these states.  

My wife is a fucking dermatologist and these Texas laws are coming for her at some point.  You have to be on birth control to take Accutane.  We are leaving this state.

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Mrs Whiggins

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Our oldest got some offers to return to Texas after graduation and she has turned them all down. She is unwilling to risk her health. We support that decision wholeheartedly. It's her life and we'd rather she lived it somewhere it is valued as more than a vessel.

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59 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

a dad could rape his daughter and even an older sibling or aunt or someone couldn't help her. fucking wow. 

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“Technically, they’re not criminalizing people driving in Washington state with a minor. The crime is the time that someone is driving the minor in Idaho,” said David Cohen, a law professor at Philadelphia’s Drexel University whose work focuses on constitutional law and abortion policy.

oh, well then...buy her a bus ticket to the state line and pick her up there. 

we're always talking about Texas and Florida as those are the most colorful and grab most of the headlines, their leaders seek out the limelight...but man Idaho seems to be on a whole other level. i'm not sure i'd even want to drive through that fucking state. yikes.😟

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On 3/22/2023 at 10:58 AM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I saw that article earlier.  Republicans are idiots.  Good luck getting any talented people to move to these states.  

That's their goal.  Republicans don't actually give a shit about abortion.  They want to punish women, particularly poor women.   They don't want them to have access to quality healthcare, be it for abortion, pregnancy, oncology, anything.   They want to gut healthcare.  Just look at the right's vilification of medical professionals and science over the last few years as proof.  They want to drive talented people out.

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40 minutes ago, mchookem said:

we're always talking about Texas and Florida as those are the most colorful and grab most of the headlines, their leaders seek out the limelight...but man Idaho seems to be on a whole other level. i'm not sure i'd even want to drive through that fucking state. yikes.😟

Idaho merely beat us to the punch - Texas legislators are working on criminalizing traveling to another state for an abortion as well, which would require the government to get into women's lives.  You know, because small government.

And they are working on forcing Texas internet service providers to block websites that discuss or provide abortion information.  You know, because free speech.

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10 hours ago, mchookem said:

a dad could rape his daughter and even an older sibling or aunt or someone couldn't help her. fucking wow. 

Idaho law already allows for the family of a rapist to sue a woman for aborting his spawn.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/idaho-abortion-bill-rapist-families

Their draconian abortion laws are being challenged but the Idaho Supreme Court ruled that they can be enforced while the legal process plays out.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/idaho-supreme-court-abortion-restrictions/

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25 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

So now judges decide what drugs can be approved? What was that about activist judges? Could have sworn conservatives screamed about it for decades 

Wait until @Cheeseweasel hears about this. Why just yesterday he proudly exclaimed that the "hill he chooses to die on" is "pushing back on government regulations." 

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1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:


Sounds like this sets the precedence to ban all drugs that have a death rate of 5+ per million. So, 95% of all prescription and over the counter drugs are banned. FAFO.

Ozempic should be banned under these new guidelines.  Not approved for non diabetics.  

Do that and watch everyone lose their shit.

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Friends, this thread is utterly horrifying. My longtime girlfriend, sitting next to me, is enraged and disgusted, too. WTF, I am letting it rip. 

The abortion/pregancy horror stories are the product of anti-science madness spawned by the sacred scrolls (Bible). Sheer idiocy, sheer lunacy, yet an all too real theocracy is taking root in Texas and other states across America. 

I am freaking sick and tired of the apologists for religion and Christianity in this country. If that includes people on Surly, so be it. You're part of the problem, all you f*ckers who voted for Bush and Trump and cheer the asinine move to the SEC sewer. Bush and Trump have stacked the court with theocrats. Yeah, your infantile unseen Sky Daddy is protected by the First Amendment, but the US Constitution now apparently does not protect the bodies of real flesh and blood women? That is morally depraved. 

Anyone who is defending religion/Christianity — in any way — is enabling the horror of this thread. Enabling a patriarchal, misogynist theocracy, with the daily goal inflicting pain, humiliation, and degradation upon women. Morally depraved. Religion has always be a tool for violent colonization, conquest, and conversion. Always. Peace comes after conquest. Never before. Thus, medical violence is being unleashed on women across America. The goal is theological conquest and patriarchal domination, backed by some bogus "morality."

MAGA-GQP are systematically building a violent, bloody theocracy across America — all based on some evidence-free myths and BS fables from 2000 years ago, uttered and written for a preliterate, premodern, pre-scientific society. It's no wonder doctors and nurses are saying they've had enough. Why work in a state that values religious idiocy over scientific insight and medical expertise. 

If you think Democrats are gonna put a stop to this, think again. Too much religion, too much Catholicism and Christianity among the Dems, especially the olds. 

Things are going to get much worse for women in America. And many other groups too.

It's coming. 

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The whole premise that the plaintiffs have standing is ludicrous to me.

And from the portion I read on standing, Kaczmaryk says (1) there's no conflict of interest here like there would be if, say, a woman sues her "abortionist" (he repeatedly uses the term abortionist, which I guess Alito used too). And (2) Evidence shows women don't have a close, or even any, doctor-patient relationship with their abortionist, so these plaintiffs are certainly closer to the issue than that. Because plaintiffs provide post-abortion care -- obviously a more solid doctor-patient relationship. Absolute batshit.

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The assault on women's rights and the worship of gun rights are deeply related. 

That's because in a theocracy, words and concepts not only lose their meaning, they become the complete opposite. With facts, evidence, and science under assault, the opposite meanings are operative precisely as the original meaning is still believed. Orwell called it doublethink.

Example 1: First Amendment

— The right to religious "freedom" protected in the First Amendment now means the right to violently impose and inflict religion upon others. Reproductive health rights are forcibly denied to women, thus religious "freedom" is weaponized to unleash medical violence upon women's bodies. Religious freedom imposes medical violence. Freedom is violence. 

Example 2. Second Amendment

— The right to bear arms is protected, but that right is deployed as way to impose murder and mass shootings. Thus, the "right" to bear arms becomes a tool to unleash violence. To defend gun rights in the face of growing gun violence means only one thing. Gun rights supersede the right of others to live, to not die by gun violence. Rights are violence. 

Conclusion/Deduction

The bodily autonomy of women and school children are giving way to religious "freedom" and gun "rights." Both freedoms/rights are weaponized against the bodies of women and children, precisely in the name of religious freedom and gun rights. With the regard to the First and Second Amendments, the Bill of Rights is becoming the Bill of Violence. That's what happens in a fascist theocracy.

TLDR. Religious freedom and gun rights equal the right to impose violence. Orwell was right. Freedom is violence. Ultraviolence. 

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2 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Ozempic should be banned under these new guidelines.  Not approved for non diabetics.  

Do that and watch everyone lose their shit.

If it makes them pull that fucking commercial I’m for it

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Ozempic should be banned under these new guidelines.  Not approved for non diabetics.  
Do that and watch everyone lose their shit.

4 times as many people die from using Viagra than this abortion drug. It’s time for limp dicks to have their time in the sun.
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