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https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/politics/abortion-bills-fail-nebraska-south-carolina/index.html

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Measures that would have severely restricted abortion failed Thursday in Nebraska and South Carolina, which both have Republican-controlled legislatures, a reflection of the growing unease among Republicans over the political popularity of strict bans.

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In Nebraska, a “Heartbeat Act” would have banned most abortions after six weeks except in cases of rape or incest or to preserve the life of the mother once a “fetal heartbeat” was detected, but it stalled in the legislature. A cloture vote to overcome a filibuster of the bill failed by a vote of 32-15, with two senators abstaining, including Republican state Sen. Merv Riepe – leaving the measure one vote shy of the two-thirds majority needed for full consideration. Riepe, a cosigner to the bill, had proposed an amendment to move the ban to 12 weeks instead of six weeks, but his amendment did not receive a vote Thursday.

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On Thursday afternoon, the South Carolina state Senate failed to pass the “Human Life Protection Act,” which would have banned abortions in the state, in a 22-21 vote with five women voting against it – including three Republicans. The bill previously passed in the state House and included exceptions for incidents of rape or incest.

In the wake of last year’s Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade, many Republican-led states have enacted sweeping abortion restrictions. But unpopularity – demonstrated by electoral evidence – over severe restrictions have prompted Republicans to reconsider the political wisdom of enacting near-total bans on the procedure, and House Republicans have recently stepped away from pushing a federal abortion ban.

Republicans are becoming self-aware that maybe abortion is not the hill they want to die on.

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No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

Brisketexan
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I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

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of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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On 5/2/2023 at 1:38 PM, bolverk said:

It's about controlling women.

The goals are a bit more extreme. It's about dominating and humiliating women—enforced with codes of violence (forced births, denying reproductive rights, etc.). Patriarchy and theocracy go together.

Margaret Atwood saw it coming in the Reagan era. The Handmaid's Tale is the American prophecy. 

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36 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

The goals are a bit more extreme. It's about dominating and humiliating women—enforced with codes of violence (forced births, denying reproductive rights, etc.). Patriarchy and theocracy go together.

Margaret Atwood saw it coming in the Reagan era. The Handmaid's Tale is the American prophecy. 

I'd argue that dominating and humiliating them are other means of control.

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Republicans like raping children and getting them pregnant

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Audrey Wascome, who says she was sexually abused by a relative as a child and later was raped at 17, testified along with other survivors on Wednesday at the Louisiana’s House Criminal Justice Committee. Democrats had introduced legislation to add rape and incest exceptions to the state’s abortion ban, and even after hearing testimony from people like Wascome, Republicans voted them down.

Wascome told me in an interview after the hearing that it felt like an “openly hostile” environment. A man was standing near the witness table with a rosary, reciting Bible verses. Some Republican committee members got up and left in the middle of witness testimony. Other GOP legislators who did stay in the room “were just pretending that the witnesses weren’t there,” she said. “It was super disrespectful.”

“You have survivors describing their private pain and basically begging them for mercy,” said Wascome. “It just felt like a slap.”

Wascome says she noticed one lawmaker rolling her eyes and shaking her head at some of the testimony. “Even if you don’t agree with [adding] exceptions, there’s just common human decency for people talking about their trauma, and it was just missing from a lot of them.”

Wascome shared her own story of assault on Wednesday, telling the committee about being sexually abused by her grandfather for the first decade of her life, as her grandmother filmed the incidents. At age 17, Wascome says she was raped by an acquaintance and didn’t obtain emergency contraception before the 72-hour period had passed. While she didn’t become pregnant, she has since dedicated her time to becoming an advocate for fellow survivors, including for two 9-year-old girls who were both impregnated at age 8 in unrelated cases. One was in her second trimester, the other in her third; they both came into the hospital complaining of stomach pain.

“Neither knew they were pregnant, but how could they? They were still playing with dolls,” Wascome said in her powerful testimony to the committee.

Wascome tells Jezebel that not a week goes by she doesn’t think of those young survivors, wondering what happened to them. She says one of the children’s fetuses didn’t have a heartbeat by the time she came in, but that the doctor at the time refused to conduct a D&C and save the fetal remains as DNA evidence for a rape case. Wascome ended up arranging for the child and her family to seek care at a nearby abortion clinic, which, of course, is now closed.

She told the committee she was putting the right to her privacy aside by putting her story in the public record, in the hopes of “salvaging someone else’s life.”

Andrea Dubé is another survivor who testified at the hearing, telling the committee that she had a pregnancy scare after being raped, and if she’d been forced to carry it to term, she would have died by suicide. She also says she felt completely ignored by Republican legislators.

“It feels pretty crappy that I was inside, publicly crying and talking about killing myself while they were out in the hallways shooting the shit with lobbyists and pro-lifers,” Dubé told me. “They voted against abortion access for raped children but apparently couldn’t stomach our three minute statements.”

“It was emotionally exhausting to see survivors pouring out their souls and giving up their privacy when the outcome of the bill was obviously determined well before we got there,” said Morgan Lamandre, the president and CEO of Sexual Trauma Awareness and Response (STAR). “There was a total and complete lack of attention paid to survivors by some of the legislators, even when they were sitting right in front of survivors. It was hard to watch.”

Lift Louisiana Executive Director Michelle Erenberg corroborated accounts that most of the Republican committee members left the room during the testimony of patients, survivors and doctors. They only returned to the committee room to vote against the bills. She said her organization is “extremely disappointed to see that committee members have chosen to overlook the suffering of rape and incest survivors in favor of a cruel position endorsed by extremists.”

All five of the abortion-related bills aimed at softening the state’s abortion ban were scheduled on the annual “Pro-Life Day at the Capitol.” (All five bills either failed to get out of committee or were deferred.) Buses filled with anti-abortion activists arrived in Baton Rouge for the day, and in the capitol’s rotunda, Louisiana Right to Life served “Everyone Deserves a Birthday” Cake to visitors and legislators.

 

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Yeah. Little more to the story above.

Louisiana Kills Rape / Incest Exceptions

I thought Oklahoma was a broken hellscape.

Remember, Louisiana requires a digital government ID to look at porn on the internet.

https://www.cnet.com/culture/louisiana-residents-now-need-a-government-id-to-visit-porn-sites/

Which Texas is looking at, but has not seriously pushed.  Yet.

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"Three times in a row, since 2018, Republicans have been disappointed on election night in November, in large part because they lost the suburbs," the editorial begins. "More defeats Tuesday for the GOP in Pennsylvania, Colorado and Florida suggest the erosion is continuing."

The editors place the blame for the party's losses primarily on two factors: Its hardline stance on abortion rights and its continued embrace of former President Donald Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-US/news/politics/the-erosion-is-continuing-wall-street-journal-editors-sound-alarm-of-gops-latest-election-flops/ar-AA1bmmDO?ocid=sapphireappshare

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Too bad the courts are already hack-stacked. There's an article in Rolling Stone -- paywalled I think -- that details the 5th circuit's shitty treatment of the lawyers defending mifepristone in court yesterday, accusing the lawyers of personal attacks on poor Kaczmaryk while being oh so deferential to the plaintiffs and Ho stating that they get to oversee the FDA. The quotes from the 3 hacktivists -- seriously the worst panel of the already terrible court -- are just infuriating. The GOP deserves so so many election losses for being an absolutely lawless party.

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Too bad the courts are already hack-stacked. There's an article in Rolling Stone -- paywalled I think -- that details the 5th circuit's shitty treatment of the lawyers defending mifepristone in court yesterday, accusing the lawyers of personal attacks on poor Kaczmaryk while being oh so deferential to the plaintiffs and Ho stating that they get to oversee the FDA. The quotes from the 3 hacktivists -- seriously the worst panel of the already terrible court -- are just infuriating. The GOP deserves so so many election losses for being an absolutely lawless party.

Perhaps the least respectful engagement I’ve ever had as an attorney with a judge was with a certain 5th Cir judge. And I know it’s a little thing, but it’s also a baseline: treat the parties and counsel with respect. You work for them, not vice versa. Most judges do a pretty good job of that. Yes, even some cranky and cantankerous federal judges ultimately do so. But not our ideologues.
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This is not evil or mean to them. Look at the responses… 99 minutes of life is better than murder, etc.

It demonstrates that the death of a living, “breathing” (tortured and ineffective as it was) person doesn’t matter. It’s the unborn life that matters. Once it leaves the womb, they stop caring. 

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That story was depressing as hell.  They literally created a situation where a completely unviable human being was tortured for over an hour and a half, because . . . whatever.  This is the kind of shit that has driven me from the church and just about slammed the door.  Fuck those assholes.

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Just waiting for the story of a mother dying from having to carry a non viable pregnancy to term. I just hope it’s a family member of one of the lawmakers or activists 

don't be silly... those folks will be able to easily terminate a problematic pregnancy. only normal folk in these shitty states will be forced to carry.

also... these stories are horrible, nightmares, i grieve for these families... but let's not lose sight of the fact that a woman ought to have the right to terminate ANY pregnancy if she decides to (within reason, i.e., don't come at me with 'late-term abortions!!' horror story crap... those are extremely rare and are extreme circumstances, women having those have already had baby showers and decorated nurseries so fuck off with that bullshit).

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Saw this broken down. If every Christian church helped out and provided resources for 2 kids, they could help every kid in foster care.

Resources? Sure. Just don’t leave them in the custody of the Christian churches. 

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Saw this broken down. If every Christian church helped out and provided resources for 2 kids, they could help every kid in foster care.

JFK Jr will return and run for POTUS before that happens.  Christians don't give a shit about any kids that aren't their own. 

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Same guy that ran the numbers for kids ram numbers for homeless.

Including All churches:

Each church would only have to help 1 kid and foster care would go away
Each church would help two people and homeless goes away.

It won’t happen.

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An American Nightmare: Young, pregnant & living in Texas:

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There was a point during their 11-hour car ride home when Terry’s boyfriend debated whether or not to bring her to an emergency room. Terry was pale and lightheaded, and had terrible blue-ish bags under her eyes. “She was looking really, really bad,” Eric, 22, tells me. “At a certain point she just faded.”

But the couple were only halfway home, and Eric didn’t want to stop at a hospital at 3am in one of the reddest parts of Texas. Not when they were coming from a New Mexico abortion clinic. “He was worried that they would call somebody and report us,” Terry, 21, says. And so he drove on. 

Terry and Eric’s nightmare began just a few days earlier at a 15-week ultrasound appointment. It had been a normal day, Terry says. She and Eric had gone out for breakfast in Round Rock, where the young couple lives, and planned to see a movie when the appointment was over. They thought they’d be learning the gender of the baby that day, and had picked out names in anticipation: Ren for a boy, Summer for a girl.

But at the appointment, Terry noticed that her OBGYN was getting quieter and quieter the longer that she looked at the ultrasound. The doctor left the room, and came back with a phone number, address, and instructions to make an appointment with a specialist immediately. 

It was at that point, Terry says, that she began to go numb. 

Just a few hours later, the couple were sitting in front of a maternal fetal specialist in Austin delivering unthinkable news: Terry’s fetus had not developed at all above the neck—there was no head. It was a one-in-a-million abnormality, the specialist told them. And while the fetus obviously had no chance of survival, there was still heartbeat present. 

In Texas—which enacted a near-total abortion ban in 2021, and a total ban shortly after Roe v. Wade was overturned—that was a problem. 

Texas’ abortion law doesn’t have an exception for fetal abnormalities, not even lethal ones. The state requires women to carry pregnancies even when the fetus has no chance of survival, a cruelty that Republican legislators don’t like to talk about. 

Eric was baffled, he says, as the reality of the law sunk in. “Like at that point there has to be some sort of reasoning to allow these special cases,” he said. “It’s so cutthroat, and that’s what really makes me mad.”

The couple had to process more than just the horrific news about the fetal abnormality: Terry, herself, was also very ill. And waiting for her pregnancy to end on its own carried a serious risk. She hadn’t been feeling well for a few weeks—she had trouble keeping food down, and was often too tired to get out of bed. Terry figured it was just a difficult pregnancy. But lab work revealed issues with her kidneys and liver, and found that she was severely malnourished and had elevated blood pressure.

As sick as she was, Terry wasn’t at an ‘imminent’ risk of death—not yet, anyway—and Texas law requires the danger to a woman’s life be a “medical emergency” in order to qualify for an abortion. 

Because the deliberately vague language of the law isn’t medical terminology, doctors in the state have been left to struggle with just how close to death a patient needs to be in order for them to legally provide care. As a result, multiple Texas women have come close to dying after being denied abortions. (Fifteen of those patients are suing the state right now.)

And while Texas Governor Greg Abbott has claimed he wants to “clarify” the ban to “make sure that the lives of both the mother and the baby can be protected,” the state is actually suing the federal government in opposition to a rule that requires hospitals to give women life-saving emergency abortions. 

For Terry, the concern was that if doctors waited for her fetus’ heartbeat to stop, or until she was ‘sick enough’ to legally warrant an abortion, her health’s already-rapid decline could become irreversible.

And so she had two choices: Leave the state for an abortion, or wait and take her chances. “I kind of shut down,” Terry says. 

Terry’s specialist was unequivocal: He recommended that she terminate the pregnancy.  “There’s only one thing that we can do to assure that you walk out of this healthy,” she says he told her. 

It’s advice many Texas doctors wouldn’t dare give—no matter how dire the circumstances. After all, state law prohibits “aiding and abetting” an abortion, and allows civil action against anyone who does. (NPR reports that the law has doctors “talking code” to patients in order to avoid speaking directly about abortion.)

Terry’s OBGYN, however, who is anti-abortion, gave different advice. She recommended that Terry carry the pregnancy until she went into labor—whether she was able to carry the pregnancy to term or gave premature birth. The doctor claimed it would be emotionally better for Terry to have a moment with her baby. 

“As much as I wish I had the chance to hold my baby,” Terry said, “I don’t think anyone would want to see something that has no head.” What made Terry feel even worse was that her OBGYN pushed her to remain pregnant even as she explained the serious risks to her health.

“It felt like ‘does my life matter in this, or is this just about bringing a baby into the world for a moment’? It felt like my life didn’t matter, like I could just die and it would all be for nothing.”

Dr. Chloe Zera, a maternal fetal medicine physician and associate professor at Harvard Medical School, tells me, “It is very much the standard of care to offer termination, but like any other patient care situation, the best response is compassion.” 

Dr. Zera says ideal treatment for patients like Terry is full spectrum pregnancy care—providing patients all the information they want in order to make a decision. 

“For some people it’s very cut and dried, ‘I want an abortion,’” she says. For others, it might mean carrying the pregnancy and offering palliative care for the fetus. In her hospital, most patients with severe fetal abnormalities would have pediatric sub-specialists, nurses and social workers involved in their case. “We try to wrap around people with care,” she says. 

The ability to get that kind of full spectrum care, though, depends on the kind of insurance you have, access to physicians, and—as in Terry’s case—what state you live in. 

And so instead of being wrapped in love, and provided with a slew of experts to help her through a nightmare that few will face, Terry—just 21 years-old—had to come to terms with conflicting advice from two doctors and a backdrop of fear and isolation. 

In the end, the decision was clear. Terry and Eric made calls to multiple out-of-state clinics and—amazingly, given the long waitlist at most providers—they found a place in New Mexico that could see her the following week.

For both, any feelings of confusion or helplessness soon gave way to anger.  “I should not have to sit there all night staring at the wall and thinking about how the baby I wanted was still in me, with a failing heart and no head,” Terry tells me. “I’ve never been that angry before in my life.”

Instead of being able to take a moment to grieve their loss, the couple spent the next few days sorting out the logistics of the abortion. Because Terry was in her second trimester, the procedure would be expensive—between the abortion, travel and lodging, they would have to come up with about $2,000. 

They made too much money to qualify for help from an abortion fund, but not enough money that the cost wouldn’t seriously hurt them. Terry only had $300 in her savings account.

The couple couldn’t go to their friends or family for financial help, either—they’re religious, and staunchly anti-abortion. Terry’s father once told her that if he knew someone who had an abortion, “he’d be more than willing to exercise his second amendment rights.” 

When I asked if she thought her father might react differently given the circumstances, Terry was adamant: “I would get a lecture on how it's my motherly duty to bring my child into the world.”

And so they paid for the procedure out-of-pocket, using the entirety of Eric’s most recent paycheck, and told friends and family that they were going to New Mexico to go hiking. “I felt like a criminal,” Terry says. “We lied to everyone we knew to get out.”

The clinic appointment was early in the morning, so they found a nearby Motel 6 to sleep at the night before. The couple didn’t have enough money to cover a second night, though, so Eric would have to drive them the 11 hours back home after the procedure. 

When they arrived at the clinic a few minutes before it opened, Terry and Eric were struck by the nondescript area. “If you weren’t looking for it, you would miss it,” Terry said. But the minute it hit 8am, two guards stationed themselves outside of the doors. 

Later, Eric told Terry that while he sat in the waiting room during her procedure, different people would come up to the clinic doors and try to get in. They would claim they were there to support a patient, but it seemed as if they might really be protesters. Each one was turned away, but still, it was nerve-wracking. What if someone was able to get in?

Inside the procedure room, the mood was different. “The nurse held my hand, petted my hair and talked to me,” Terry said. “She kept me calm and wiped my tears.”

After the procedure, Terry had to stay in recovery longer than expected: there had been a bleed behind her placenta that wasn’t visible on the ultrasound, and so doctors kept her at the clinic for a few extra hours to ensure she was safe before leaving. By the time Terry was discharged, the couple realized they’d have to drive through the night to get home. 

“He did his best to make sure that I was comfortable,” Terry says. But it’s not so easy to drive for hours after such an emotionally and physically taxing experience.  Still—despite how scared Eric was of how poorly Terry looked in the car—they both say they made the right decision to drive all the way home without stopping at an emergency room in a conservative town. “We wanted to get as close to Austin as possible,” she says. 

When I pointed out that no one did anything illegal—people are allowed to travel out of the state for care—Terry responded with a sentiment that anyone who follows abortion news knows is true: What the law says and what the law does are two different things. 

“We’ve heard things about people getting reported and a whole investigation happening,” she said. Besides, Terry told me, she knows other states are considering the death penalty for abortion. What happens if Texas considers a law like that, and her name is on a list somewhere? She didn’t want to risk it. 

That’s also why, a few weeks after the abortion, the couple still hasn’t told anyone. It’s not only fear of their friends’ judgment—but the knowledge that someone could turn them both in. After all, the state’s so-called ‘bounty hunter’ law allows private citizens to sue anyone they suspect of being involved in an abortion (that’s doctors, nurses, even people who drove to the out-of-state clinic) for at least $10,000. 

The isolation, though, is painful; their community is a big part of their lives. “I go to church almost every Sunday, I’m friends with the pastor,” Terry told me. Now when she walks out into the world she feels as if she’s wearing a huge sign that announces she’s a criminal.

“It felt as if we were robbing a bank,” Eric tells me. “That’s how bad it felt, and it shouldn’t have to feel like that.”

Dr. Zera says that when it comes to pregnancy, there should be no government involvement. “The constellation of things that can go wrong in a pregnancy is so vast that you can never write legislation that captures the complexities of it,” she says. “It takes a real lack of humility to think that you could write a good law that could encompass all of that.”

Today, Terry and Eric are trying to get back to their normal lives. They still haven’t told any friends or family, which makes going about their day to day routines strange. They have to pretend as if everything is fine. 

Eric says he tries to let himself feel all the grief and anger, but when he goes to work he has to push it all down. Terry, on the other hand, told me she just feels defeated. 

“I wish I could move past it. I’ve never felt defeated before in my life. I failed math tests, I’ve lost sports games, but I've never felt defeated. Not like this.”

It all just feels pointless, she says. The suffering, the guilt, the pain and the loneliness. She should have been able to have an abortion close to home, she says, so that she could heal and be in the comfort of her own bed instead of driving for hours, afraid.

And that’s what Terry wants people to understand about her experience and the Texas law: the pain that it caused her. The pain it still causes. “I want to force people to see what they’re doing,” she says.

“I want Greg Abbott or anyone who voted for this law to look me in the eye and tell me that I deserved what happened. That I deserve to be punished by the law for what I’ve gone through. I want them to look me in the eye.”

I wish nothing but unimaginable agony on every single person who supports this.

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I was perusing the postings of some of the finest, best educated minds in our beautiful country and have arrived to paste them here.  Mild off-topic threadjack, but i didn't think these ramblings deserved a thread of their own.  Just ridicule:

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Should adultery be illegal?

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Should adultery (specifically, someone that is married having sex with someone they're not married to) be illegal? I don't think it should be, but I asked one of my friends and he said he wouldn't be opposed to it being illegal, although he didn't know what the punishment should be. What are your thoughts?
Human nature, people should be free to choose. Keep the government out of people's private affairs. Pun intended.
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First, rid no fault divorce. Make breaking a vow mean something. We have thrown out all virtue like integrity, commitment, and honesty for satanic (yes, I said satanic) libertine values.

Secondly, if adultery is proven, the assets and custody awarded to the innocent spouse should be whip enough. Prison or anything of that nature is redundant, and excuses the offender from their responsibilities to their children.

(Edit: just saw the reply, we need to embrace human nature, haha yes society should devolve into human excrement rather than hold to objective standards.)
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in a way it used to be , Being a philanderer or divorced carried a significant social stigma

Normalizing divorce might be as bad for society as normalizing out of wedlock children
A significant % of divorces start from somebody committing adultery
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If you married a girl from the south, you would be in trouble. The majority of southern girls know how to shoot.
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I say leave it up to the states. That said, I do think there should be severe penalties for adultery. There should also be significant reforms to our family law system to remedy the imbalance favoring women.
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No it shouldn't be illegal, but it would be socially condemned by a God fearing society.
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Adultery is very destructive to kids, to other family members, to their spouse. It is rotten act of selfishness. No fault divorce was and is a disaster. If a person is thinking of cheating and there are risk that come with it, they may think twice and work on the problems with their relationship or better yet get help.

There are cases where divorce should be granted but these days, people change spouses like underwear and the kids and the country lose. This whole thing needs to be reformed.

 

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Really good article, chock full of links to several polls, highlights a fundamental shift in public opinion toward increasing support for abortion around the country after Dobbs, including among even Catholics and Republicans.

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“While Roe was settled law, you kind of didn’t have to worry about the consequences,” said Mollie Wilson O’Reilly, a writer for Commonweal, the Catholic lay publication, and a mother of four. “You could say, ‘I think abortion should be illegal in all circumstances,’ if you didn’t really have to think about what it would mean for that to happen.”

Raised in the church and still active in her parish, Ms. O’Reilly, 42, embraced its teachings that abortion was equivalent to murder, as part of a broader church doctrine on the protection of life that also opposes capital punishment and mistreatment of migrants.

Her evolution to supporting abortion rights started two years ago when she had a miscarriage that required emergency dilation and curettage; only when she saw her chart later did she realize the term was the technical name for abortion.

“When people have the idea that abortion equals killing babies, it’s very easy to say, ‘Of course I’m against that,’” she said. “If you start seeing how reproductive health care is necessary to women, you start to see that if you’re supporting these policies that ban abortion, you’re going to end up killing women.”

 

 

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In Portland, Ore., Ruby Hill, who is Black, said she had been alarmed at the flourishing of the Proud Boys and other white supremacist groups around her. She lives not far from where two members of an extremist gang ran over a 19-year-old Black man with a Jeep in 2016. Ms. Hill, also a Democrat, said she was then redistricted into a largely white congressional district represented by a Republican.

The Dobbs decision, she said, made her start recruiting supporters of abortion rights among her friends, her grandchildren and their friends, and family members in Tennessee and California and Virginia over a weekly Zoom, “so they can convince people they know to stand up for more rights before more get taken from us,” she said. “If they got away with this and they feel that nobody cares, it’s more rights they are going to proceed to take away — civil rights, voting rights, abortion, birth control, it’s all part of that one big package. If you sit on the sideline, it says that you think it’s OK.”

 

 

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