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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

The radicalization of Texas Republican legislators continues. Ten Rs who won their primary race for a House seat in R districts have signed the pledge of Abolish Abortion Texas (AATX). The pledge  provides that a 𝐰𝐨𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐛𝐞 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐦𝐮𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐏𝐥𝐚𝐧 𝐁, the morning after pill. Consistent with the pledge, clinic workers can be charged with murder for destroying embryos resulting from IVF. 

Video of Paul Brown, Policy Director of AATX.
 


 

TIL that I am a murderer. Pretty cool, think Imma get me one them teardrop tattoos right now

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No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

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I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

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of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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Mrs Whiggins

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So, contraception leads to infidelity? Huh.  Does he somehow believe that men never cheated on their spouses prior to contraception? Oh! He means wives were becoming unfaithful because somehow men have NEVER brought home chlamydia, crabs, gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis, hiv/aids, HPV, NGU, PID, scabies, syphilis, trichomoniasis, bacterial vaginosis, CMV, etc. prior to hormonal birth control being available.

With regards to his comment about men "devaluing" women; who is trying to treat women like chattel, Rep Wichgers? STAY OUT OF OUR HEALTH CARE DECISIONS, you arrogant ignorant prick.

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So, contraception leads to infidelity? Huh.  Does he somehow believe that men never cheated on their spouses prior to contraception? Oh! He means wives were becoming unfaithful because somehow men have NEVER brought home chlamydia, crabs, gonorrhea, herpes, hepatitis, hiv/aids, HPV, NGU, PID, scabies, syphilis, trichomoniasis, bacterial vaginosis, CMV, etc. prior to hormonal birth control being available.

Infidelity and the sanctity of marriage are key policy points.

Yet we only see efforts (largely successful) to regulate the female side.  What we have never seen.....not even once....is legislation to ban the sale of ED medicines to unmarried men.  If your policy goal is "do everything you can to prevent people from having sex outside of marriage," one would think that "stop the sale of boner pills to unmarried men, because an unmarried man with a boner is fornication waiting to happen" would be low-hanging fruit legislation to pass.

Yet.....not a peep.

Gosh.  

It's almost like it's just about showing women who's boss, and putting those bitches back in their rightful, subservient, right-less place.

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Infidelity and the sanctity of marriage are key policy points.

Yet we only see efforts (largely successful) to regulate the female side.  What we have never seen.....not even once....is legislation to ban the sale of ED medicines to unmarried men.  If your policy goal is "do everything you can to prevent people from having sex outside of marriage," one would think that "stop the sale of boner pills to unmarried men, because an unmarried man with a boner is fornication waiting to happen" would be low-hanging fruit legislation to pass.

Yet.....not a peep.

Gosh.  

It's almost like it's just about showing women who's boss, and putting those bitches back in their rightful, subservient, right-less place.

Well, to quote the Lake Travis Football Parent contingent from the DT thread about bullying: boys will be boys. They aren't mean to suffer (like women).

 

 

 

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Their orange idol is a rapist, known associate of a sex trafficker, philandering creep who grabs women by the pussy and they think he’s the chosen one. The hypocrisy of the GQP is what really grinds my gears.

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https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/legislature/2024/04/10/arizona-abortion-ban-az-gop-stifles-attempt-to-repeal-1864-law/73268876007/
 

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Chaos erupted in the Arizona House on Wednesday as Democrats attempted to repeal the 1864 near-total abortion ban, only to be thwarted by the Republican majority. The raucous event, unusual for the chamber, came a day after the Arizona Supreme Court ruled that Arizona's Civil War-era abortion law stands and laid bare the raw feelings and political divisions swirling around the issue.

The fracas started when Rep. Matt Gress, a Phoenix Republican from a crucial swing district, tried to initiate a vote on repealing the law. He was cut short by a motion to recess from Rep. David Livingston, R-Peoria. Gress told The Arizona Republic he voted against the motion.

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“Matt Gress is running scared because he knows that if this ban is in place, he has a hard time winning his election," said Rep. Nancy Gutierrez, D-Tucson and the House minority whip. "So, he wants this narrative out there that he is somehow the savior of women. He is not.”

Gress defended the bills he sponsored last year, saying they were efforts to protect pregnant women.

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House members later returned only to adjourn until April 17 without taking any action. Gress joined with all Democrats in an unsuccessful bid to keep Wednesday's session running.

Republican Majority Whip Teresa Martinez, R-Maricopa, said there is time to work out a solution before the law takes effect in the coming weeks.

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Gress insisted there are votes to repeal the 1864 law, even though his attempt on Wednesday morning failed. "We have people on our side of the aisle that feel very strongly that women should not be condemned to carry out a pregnancy to term, especially victims of rape and incest," Gress told reporters.

Ortiz filmed Gress as she approached him. "Do not fall for it," Ortiz shouted. "He does not care about the women who will die because of this horrific ban."

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Rep. David Cook, R-Globe, indicated he would support a repeal even though he supported a 2022 bill that allowed the territorial ban to still be in effect. Cook said the Supreme Court's ruling changed the landscape, which is why he would support a repeal that is more reflective of contemporary times.

"In my business, we used to hang cattle thieves," Cook, a cattle rancher, said about outdated punishments.  Cook and Gress are the only two House Republicans to express support for a repeal and a return to a "reasonable" ban, such as a 15-week ban with exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.

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At least two Senate Republicans, Shawnna Bolick of Phoenix and T.J. Shope of Coolidge, have indicated similar intentions.

The near-total ban is viewed as an obstacle for many Republicans, especially those in battleground districts in this year's elections.

 

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Gress getting roasted by his own party

”Rep. Gress did not facilitate today's Democrat takeover of the Arizona House, he led it. In breaking the rules he voted for, he put his Republican comrades in swing districts in the line of fire for the sake of his own political ambitions, betrayed the pro-life movement, and denied the body the opportunity for the deliberation and discussion due this sensitive topic.”

“Funny how so many Republican legislators are calling for the abortion law to be repealed and Kari Lake is calling on Gov. Hobbs to call a special session, but the legislature is in session TODAY. The Democrats were all there and ready to vote yes on a clean bill just to repeal the 1864 total abortion ban law, but the REPUBLICANS voted to adjourn rather than vote on the bill. AZGOP passed a law just two years ago to ban abortion in AZ and now they know it destroys them politically but they still can’t do the right thing. Pathetic.”

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... Pathetic.”

Deeeeeploooorable.

1. Worthy of severe condemnation or reproach.

2. Lamentable; woeful.

3. Wretched; bad.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition 

"No nation can rise to the height of glory unless your women are side by side with you. We are victims of evil customs. It is a crime against humanity that our women are shut up within the four walls of the houses as prisoners. There is no sanction anywhere for the deplorable condition in which our women have to live." ---Muhammad Ali Jinnah (founder of Pakistan)

 

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Meet the ‘pursuer of nubile young females’ who helped pass Arizona’s 1864 abortion law

The Arizona Supreme Court has decided the law is still relevant. So let’s talk about the guy who led the body that passed it.

 
An organizer carries a clipboard with petitions for a ballot initiative to enshrine abortion rights in the Arizona constitution after the state's Supreme Court revived a law dating to 1864 that bans abortion in virtually all instances. (Rebecca Noble/Reuters)

The time has come to reflect on the life and times — especially the times — of William Claude Jones.

Jones was a “prevaricator, a poet, a politician and the pursuer of nubile young females,” according to a 1990 article published in the Journal of Arizona History, which appears to be the most comprehensive biographical report published on the life of the 19th-century rogue.

His pursuit of such nubility began with a marriage to Sarah Freeman, who bore him two children in the 1840s, when Jones would have been in his 20s or early 30s. He was a sitting member of the Missouri state legislature at the time, but his family followed him to Arkansas and then Texas as he searched for more prominent government appointments. In 1854, President Franklin Pierce eventually named him U.S. attorney for the New Mexico territory, and it was hereabout that Jones’s first wife filed for divorce.

His next wife was a girl whose name was believed to be Maria v. del Refugio, writes L. Boyd Finch, the author of the journal article. New Mexico’s delegate to Washington, Miguel Otero, was bothered by the union. He “declared that the bride was twelve years old,” Finch writes, “and that Jones had ‘abducted’ her.” Otero petitioned President James Buchanan to fire Jones for the moral failing, but Jones resigned instead.

No matter! The mid-19th century was, by any standard you or I would recognize, a hideous place for women. The predatory relationship did not end Jones’s political career; he merely moved farther west, to the Arizona territory. There, Jones supported secession from the Southern states in the impending Civil War. He also landed upon his third wife, Caroline Stephens, who was 15 years old. Claude, by this time, was around 50.

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Ah, well. They were married for only a year, anyway, because in 1865, Finch writes, Jones “left Caroline. She never saw or heard from him again.”

He had boarded a train for California, and then a boat for Hawaii, where he again entered local politics, winning a seat in the kingdom’s lower house. By 1868, a local girl named MaeMae Kailihao — “reportedly a princess from a noble family” — was pregnant with his child. She was 14.

Jones and Kailihao married and had several children together until she died at the age of 28 in 1881. Then Jones wed for a fifth time, a woman named Mary Akina — age unknown — only to file for divorce two years later. Shortly after that, Jones died on the island of Maui.

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Finch, Jones’s biographer, is careful to say that there is a lot about W. Claude Jones’s life that has been lost to time. We know very little about his early upbringing, or how much he might have exaggerated some of the military exploits he was known to boast about. We also, it almost goes without saying, know very little about his wives, their inner lives, and what they thought of their unions and the times they lived in.

By now you are probably wondering why in God’s name I am writing about this lecherous caricature of a man — a man whose compatriots in the 19th century recognized that he was problematic.

While Jones lived in Arizona, he was elected to represent Tucson in the 1st Arizona Territorial Legislative Assembly. And then, when that legislature convened in 1864, he was elected speaker of the House.

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And it was that legislature — the one Jones presided over in 1864, after he had already abandoned his first wife, and married a 12-year-old and was just weeks away from marrying a 15-year-old, though still a few years away from marrying a 14-year-old — it was that legislature that passed a law reading, “Every person who shall administer or cause to be administered or taken, any medicinal substances, or shall use or cause to be used any instruments whatever, with the intention to procure the miscarriage of any woman then being with child, and shall be thereof duly convicted, shall be punished by imprisonment in the Territorial prison for a term not less than two years nor more than five years.”

And it was that piece of legislation that, earlier this week, was reinstated as law of the land in Arizona. It represents a near-total ban on abortion in the state. The state’s Supreme Court voted 4-2 that the 160-year-old law, put into place nearly five decades before Arizona was a state, should supersede the previous rule, which guarded the right to an abortion up to 15 weeks’ gestation. The new — and by new, I mean very old — law is scheduled to go into effect in two weeks’ time.

William Claude Jones sauntered into the wide expanse of a Southwestern territory more than 150 years ago, and this man’s morals are now the benchmark for the reproductive rights of the 7 million people who live in Arizona. Good night.

 

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Despite my deepening belief in a higher power, I think the "Trump is the Antichrist" is just as hyperbolic as "He was sent by God/Jesus/"  However.  For shits 'n giggles with your batshit MAGA family and friends.  Game this part out:  If he was sent by God as the returned savior.  Take a look at the original 12 disciples.  And their qualities and attributes.  They can't see Trump for what he truly is, but maybe they can look at who he surrounds himself with.  Look at the 12 (non-blood family) people with whom Trump is closest to.  Let's take a look at that roster and see how it pairs up to the 12 Apostles.  

This could be the most fun board game in history.  

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26 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

People who find the Babylon Bee funny need to be jettisoned into space. No subtley, everything just beats you over the nose.

Three Year Letterman is the only worse thing on the internet.

 

 

 

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Three Year Letterman is the only worse thing on the internet.


It's not three-year letterman who is funny, it's the people who don't realize that he's trolling and their responses.  Like Candid Camera but on the internet. I have literally wept in laughter at some of those who don't realize he's putting them on.  Also ... worst thing? Tell me you haven't been to the TexAgs politics board without telling me ...

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17 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


It's not three-year letterman who is funny, it's the people who don't realize that he's trolling and their responses.  Like Candid Camera but on the internet. I have literally wept in laughter at some of those who don't realize he's putting them on.  Also ... worst thing? Tell me you haven't been to the TexAgs politics board without telling me ...


On que, Kari Lake's Twitter account mistook 3 Year Letterman for a legit account and went after him. Ha ha ha.

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Yeah it’s the pompous asses that take 3YL wild non sequiturs and obviously ridiculous mischaracterizations of their positions seriously and go off on him that make him funny. It was funnier when he was an unknown but still hits on occasion

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Yeah it’s the pompous asses that take 3YL wild non sequiturs and obviously ridiculous mischaracterizations of their positions seriously and go off on him that make him funny. It was funnier when he was an unknown but still hits on occasion


This is true. Now as soon as he responds to somebody with some ridiculous take 3/4 of his followers, who are in on the joke, start making comments like "Kari Lake sounds like she paid too much interest on her waterbed, Coach .."  thus cluing in the unsuspecting that it's a parody account. Still, there are some takers on nearly every one of his posts.

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Yeah it’s the pompous asses that take 3YL wild non sequiturs and obviously ridiculous mischaracterizations of their positions seriously and go off on him that make him funny. It was funnier when he was an unknown but still hits on occasion

Knowing that he’s an attorney in real life, every now and then I wonder what his Surly handle is.

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20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Knowing that he’s an attorney in real life, every now and then I wonder what his Surly handle is.

Once we start kicking UGA’s ass regularly, he’ll find his way over here

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LMAO.  Arizona legislators whining after the decision about how wrong and unfair it is and not what they stand for

"Okay, here is a bill to repeal that decision"

Arizona GOP:

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22 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Between Kari Lake and abortion, Arizona should be solid Dem for years to come.

About that; here's something to give you pause...

https://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/092623_election_official_turnover/98-arizonans-will-have-new-elections-officials-2024/

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Arizona has lost nearly all of its experienced election officials and 98% of the state will have new officials running elections in 2024 than ran the 2020 elections, a new report found. 

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The state has also seen threats of violence towards election officials and those who help administer elections. Five recent cases from the U.S. Department of Justice were all from Arizona that included individuals who called for election officials to be killed and in some areas, such as in Yavapai County, one official ended up needing security from the local sheriff at their home.

The report by Issue One, a nonpartisan political reform nonprofit, shows that 12 of Arizona’s 15 counties will have new election officials this cycle, many of whom are less experienced than their predecessors. An estimated 98% of Arizona’s expected 2024 voters live in those counties. 

Arizona has seen a drain of 176 collective years of experience since November 2020. Additionally, the median amount of experience for officials in the 12 impacted counties has dropped from about 10 years to about 1. 

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https://www.npr.org/2024/04/09/1242811437/election-voting-officials-threats-turnover

From that article above at NPR, here's a figure from the nationwide study:

"The researchers measured whether a local election office changed hands over a 4-year cycle. In 2022 (the most recent year with complete data), the turnover rate was 39%, compared to 28% in 2004.

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A chart showing election official turnover rate since the 2000 election.

Courtesy of the Bipartisan Policy Center

In recent years, as the attrition began to snowball, experts worried the impact on 2024 could be disastrous.

New election officials tend to make more mistakes, and conspiracy theories about voting tend to focus on honest mishaps to try to build a false narrative that voting more broadly can't be trusted."

The article does go on to remark that overall & especially in large metro areas the new officials coming in still have a fair bit of experience. But IMO, Arizona may be a bellwether for "issues" that YOU KNOW the RW media will play up into a storm like in 2020.

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9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

While this is great for the people invovled, I wonder if leaving this in place until the election wasn't a better move. 

The House and Senate in Arizona are both GOP held.  If the Dems torpedoed this, or Hobbs vetoes it, they're going to get more of the blame

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