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11 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

No.  But they can't get a D&C to remove embryonic or fetal material unless related to a spontaneous abortion or for a "medical emergency."

I read the article. If what is described happened there is absolutely no defense  for waiting 2 hours from when she hit the door in the ambulance to perform D&C, much less 20. She was objectively critically ill and in danger of dying. They fucked up and are blaming the abortion ban

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Bama Chick
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No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

Brisketexan
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I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

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of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I read the article. If what is described happened there is absolutely no defense  for waiting 2 hours from when she hit the door in the ambulance to perform D&C, much less 20. She was objectively critically ill and in danger of dying. They fucked up and are blaming the abortion ban

Why not both?  Yes, they clearly fucked up.  But you're okay with asking doctors to find the exact right time when something's a "medical emergency" as a patient becomes septic and then enters septic shock?  Just because the doctors also fucked up, doesn't mean the government should be legislating this crap.  Maybe the Georgia legislature could write a law that doesn't allow the doctors to use the law as an excuse for their malpractice.

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Why not both?  Yes, they clearly fucked up.  But you're okay with asking doctors to find the exact right time when something's a "medical emergency" as a patient becomes septic and then enters septic shock?  Just because the doctors also fucked up, doesn't mean the government should be legislating this crap.  Maybe the Georgia legislature could write a law that doesn't allow the doctors to use the law as an excuse for their malpractice.

Of course I’m not ok w it don’t be fatuous.

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12 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

I read the article. If what is described happened there is absolutely no defense  for waiting 2 hours from when she hit the door in the ambulance to perform D&C, much less 20. She was objectively critically ill and in danger of dying. They fucked up and are blaming the abortion ban

I think the abortion ban is to blame when doctors aren’t performing what used to be routine procedures for fear of being imprisoned over the GOP’s draconian new anti-abortion laws. I’ve heard countless stories from women saying doctors wouldn’t treat them because they weren’t sick enough yet so treatment was withheld because of legal concerns. Would you want to be the first doctor to test the legislation in court with your personal freedom and livelihood on the line?

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I think the abortion ban is to blame when doctors aren’t performing what used to be routine procedures for fear of being imprisoned over the GOP’s draconian new anti-abortion laws. I’ve heard countless stories from women saying doctors wouldn’t treat them because they weren’t sick enough yet so treatment was withheld because of legal concerns. Would you want to be the first doctor to test the legislation in court with your personal freedom and livelihood on the line?

Which is very obviously the entire point of writing the "exceptions" the way they have. There's what is in effect implied law in the gaps between what is written, how it is understood, and how it is enforced that results in the following implication being the actual law: "poor black and brown women have to die, but you better fucking save the white women." 

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Would you want to be the first doctor to test the legislation in court with your personal freedom and livelihood on the line?

 

11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Which is very obviously the entire point of writing the "exceptions" the way they have. There's what is in effect implied law in the gaps between what is written, how it is understood, and how it is enforced that results in the following implication being the actual law: "poor black and brown women have to die, but you better fucking save the white women." 

Yep.  That's exactly it.  The calculus that the GQP has INTENTIONALLY FORCED UPON US is one that weighs the Dr's life against the patient.  Bottom line, it is this:

"IF YOU ADMINISTER ABORTION CARE TO A WOMAN, YOU BETTER GET IT EXACTLY RIGHT, 100%, BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT, OR I WILL END YOUR LIFE."

We're not talking about a malpractice risk, or an upset patient risk.  We're saying "doc, if you perform this procedure, and a politically motivated prosecutor or AG (cough cough, Ken Paxton) decides that you chose incorrectly, they will end your fucking life.  You will rot in a prison for the rest of your days."

So, yeah, the law is 100% intended to intimidate doctors into not providing life-saving medical care.  Put another way, the GQP is perfectly happy to murder women to score political points.  They have already done so, they will continue to do so, and they will keep doing it as long as a single GQP fuckstick holds any position of power.  Killing women is the fucking GOAL, not just a side-effect.

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6 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Really shameless, even for Ted.
 

Good. Get these shit birds on record so their opponents can use it against them.  C'mon Allred, use this to make another milquetoast ad asking people to chip in $3 while you tell them about how you used to play football! 

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Republicans: We're weren't going to vote for this performative bill. The courts already protected IVF

Also Republicans: we're going to shut down the government unless you pass this bill that says illegals can't vote (even though illegals can't vote by the existing laws of the land). 

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On 9/20/2024 at 8:55 PM, tchookem said:

At this point, you can't call them pro-life. You can't even call them pro-birth. They're just straight up pro-death.. even for white women.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631Screenshot_20240920_205437_Chrome.jpg

Going out on a limb here I know, but fairly certain the linked article doesn't quote an epidemiologist.  And if it does, I feel deep sorrow for that individual. I mean it should be obvious what that graphical elements represent. 

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Unsure if this is related to the recent law changes or established hospital/religion practices. Story link

  • In CA, a pregnant woman, 15 weeks-carrying twins, goes to an ER with a Catholic affiliated hospital. Article isn't clear if she chose the ER location or not.
  • you can read the medical details yourself but the ER docs told her that the twins would not survive and she needed an emergency abortion for her own health. 
  • Hospital has 2 rules for an abortion: mother's life in danger AND the fetus cannot have a pulse. Sadly one of the twins looks to have had a pulse but not believes to be viable.
  • her husband had to drive her to another hospital, where the scene reads as horrible. She had a miscarriage and an abortion.

CA is suing the hospital for not providing adequate care based on CA laws. In unrelated news, the hospital which saved the woman is closing. Docs there say this wasn't the first situation like this.

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On 9/17/2024 at 5:24 PM, Satchel said:

It is simply outrageous that it is mostly men writing these statutes that imperil the lives of women in ways that none of them will ever have to worry about experiencing.

It is not all kinds of men. It is 100% religious men, Bible-thumping Christian men. At least in America.

These are the misogynist men threatened by strong, smart, successful, educated women with equal rights and equal standing in society -- and in the household! Their goal is a return to medieval times, the very legal era cited by Alito in overturning Roe to terrorize and demonize women using their inherent reproductive rights.

And don't cherry pick some lame ass passage from the Bible to say they are not real Christians or not real religious men. They are. History is 100% clear on that. 

It is the same as in all societies controlled by male religious fanatics -- insecure pricks using prescientific myths to dominate women. The goal is to colonize women, control their bodies, and conquer their consciousness into submission. Same as it ever was. 

And MAGA-GQP is fully on-board. 

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51 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

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I'm sure that the GQP is fine covering the huge medical bills associated with trying to keep infants alive in the NICU (most likely suffering) when it's clear that they're not going to survive - right???  Right??? 

I'm confident that at some point they'll roll out some fictional case where a baby miraculously survived despite doctors saying that it wouldn't, just to combat the backlash that is coming.  Fucking monsters.

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On 10/21/2024 at 1:01 PM, Gap03 said:

I'm sure that the GQP is fine covering the huge medical bills associated with trying to keep infants alive in the NICU (most likely suffering) when it's clear that they're not going to survive - right???  Right??? 

I'm confident that at some point they'll roll out some fictional case where a baby miraculously survived despite doctors saying that it wouldn't, just to combat the backlash that is coming.  Fucking monsters.

You kidding me?? That'll result in HUGE profits for the insurance and hospital companies! They'd love to have more chances to ensnare ever more millions of America into their debt cycle and savings destruction machine

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@Anastasis come on down and claim your award for the cessation of barbarism in Texas! Thank goodness we can all enjoy success stories like this on the regular now

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

 

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

 

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

 

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

 

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

@Anastasis come on down and claim your award for the cessation of barbarism in Texas! Thank goodness we can all enjoy success stories like this on the regular now

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

 

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

 

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

 

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

 

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

I saw that this morning as well. Absolutely horrifying and infuriating.

On top of the rest of it, I had not heard the part about Trump joking about the Georgia woman who died. To call him a piece of shit is disrespectful to shit. 

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57 minutes ago, Captainant said:

@Anastasis come on down and claim your award for the cessation of barbarism in Texas! Thank goodness we can all enjoy success stories like this on the regular now

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

 

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

 

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

 

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

 

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

Every Republican in Texas who voted for the abortion ban should be charged w/ involuntary manslaughter.  Goddamnnit this makes me fucking furious. 

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12 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Every Republican in Texas who voted for the abortion ban should be charged w/ involuntary manslaughter.  Goddamnnit this makes me fucking furious. 

Nothing involuntary about it. Murder two at least. 

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1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Every Republican in Texas who voted for the abortion ban should be charged w/ involuntary manslaughter.  Goddamnnit this makes me fucking furious. 

One of these days one of these husbands is going to snap, and I won't feel sorry for any of the Republican legislators who end up getting caught in the crossfire.  These fucks have been told from day one the likely outcome of these laws and they don't give a damn, so neither will I.

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5 hours ago, Captainant said:

@Anastasis come on down and claim your award for the cessation of barbarism in Texas! Thank goodness we can all enjoy success stories like this on the regular now

https://www.propublica.org/article/josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage-texas-abortion-ban

 

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

 

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

 

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

 

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

What you fail to understand that women suffering and dying is a feature, not a bug.

What is the most effective way to send the message to an entire demographic that they have no worth except whatever worth you deign to allow them to have?  Take their lives in your hands....and end them...with no consequences.  We (Texas Republicans) literally have the power to decide whether you live or die.  You have no say in the matter.  THAT'S power.

This is just a message being sent.  It will be sent repeatedly until you inferior serfs get it through your heads: anything you have is subject to the whims of the GQP; they can and will take whatever they want, whenever they want...including your life.

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2 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Texas Evangelical Christians do not care if women die. “It’s gods will.” “They are in a better place now.” Etc etc.

This is what pisses me off. If those morons want to choose this approach and put their lives in God’s hands, nobody will stop them. However, for the rest of us, can we just let the doctors and nurses do their job?

Its absolutely infuriating that the Texas Taliban run by 2 asshole billionaires in Midland get to make these decisions for everyone.

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Propublica with some excellent reporting as always:

https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-dismisses-maternal-mortality-committee-amber-thurman-candi-miller


Georgia officials have dismissed all members of a state committee charged with investigating deaths of pregnant women. The move came in response to ProPublica having obtained internal reports detailing two deaths.

ProPublica reported in September on the deaths of Amber Thurman and Candi Miller, which the state maternal mortality review committee had determined were preventable. They were the first reported cases of women who died without access to care restricted by a state abortion ban, and they unleashed a torrent of outrage over the fatal consequences of such laws. The women’s stories became a central discussion in the presidential campaign and ballot initiatives involving abortion access in 10 states.

“Confidential information provided to the Maternal Mortality Review Committee was inappropriately shared with outside individuals,” Dr. Kathleen Toomey, commissioner of the state Department of Public Health, wrote in a letter dated Nov. 8 and addressed to members of the committee. “Even though this disclosure was investigated, the investigation was unable to uncover which individual(s) disclosed confidential information.

“Therefore, effective immediately the current MMRC is disbanded, and all member seats will be filled through a new application process.”

A health department spokesperson declined to comment on the decision to dismiss the committee, saying that the letter, which the department provided to ProPublica, “speaks for itself.” Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s office also declined to comment, referring questions to the health department.

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14 hours ago, Captainant said:

Another SWISH for @Anastasis

https://www.propublica.org/article/porsha-ngumezi-miscarriage-death-texas-abortion-ban

 

You'd be better off @'ing the hospital administrators. 

The Texas law certainly has flaws. Shit, I don't think it's an issue that is best addressed through the legal system at all.

But there is a common thread in most of these (extremely rare, but egregious) situations. The hospital systems are creating policies and protocols that are wrongheaded.

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