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11 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

From the link in the NBC article:

While maternal mortality spiked during the pandemic, women dying while pregnant or during childbirth rose consistently in Texas following the state’s ban on abortion, according to the Gender Equity Policy Institute.”

11 hours ago, Anastasis said:

My bad. That seems like a really rigorous analysis. 

Just read that statement and tell me exactly what data points directly support it. The crude maternal mortality rate actually went down after the state's abortion ban. I feel like I am in bizarro world. 

Morning.

The data from 2019 and the data from 2022. 2020 and 2021 show the Covid spike.

”Among Hispanic women, the rate of women dying while pregnant, during childbirth or soon after increased from 14.5 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2019 to 18.9 in 2022. Rates among white women nearly doubled — from 20 per 100,000 to 39.1. And Black women, who historically have higher chances of dying while pregnant, during childbirth or soon after, saw their rates go from 31.6 to 43.6 per 100,000 live births.”

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3 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Explain it to me like I’m in seventh grade.

You posted a NBC "exclusive report" on a hack analysis from a special interest group and framed it as a compelling set of research results without actually critically thinking about it. 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

You posted a NBC "exclusive report" on a hack analysis from a special interest group and framed it as a compelling set of research results without actually critically thinking about it. 

Fuck off. I posted an NBC report on a claim by GERI. I next posted a propublica report that inferred any conclusion on CDC data was suspect due to info-silo, dark ages laws. 
 

I also reiterated, repeatedly, that Texas quintupled the national increase of maternal death.

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18 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

I posted an NBC report on a claim by GERI.

Just some basic vetting should have set off the red flags. The article was from Sept and had already been posted here. Not sure how it came to the top of your feed, but come on man. 

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Just now, Anastasis said:

Just some basic vetting should have set off the red flags. The article was from Sept and had already been posted here. Not sure how it came to the top of your feed, but come on man. 

Here is how I described that report: “but these researchers said Texas’ abortion ban is the main reason behind Texas’ quintupling the national increase.”

 

I don’t get your complaint.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Here is how I described that report: “but these researchers said Texas’ abortion ban is the main reason behind Texas’ quintupling the national increase.”

 

I don’t get your complaint.

The first tell should have been "research" disseminated via lay press without a real publication behind it. Serious people are going to publish their methodology and subject it to peer review. Hacks are going to run it out via uncritical "exclusive reports". 

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19 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The first tell should have been "research" disseminated via lay press without a real publication behind it. Serious people are going to publish their methodology and subject it to peer review. Hacks are going to run it out via uncritical "exclusive reports". 

Yeah, you ought be more concerned with the number of deaths of pregnant Texans. That is something that concerns me.

Would that all hacks were honest enough to couch their conclusions as such:  “All the research points to Texas’ abortion ban as the primary driver of this alarming increase.” 
 

“Points to” is open ended enough to invite counter arguments; you offered yours. So, you, too are a hack?

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9 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Anti abortion folks don’t care about women dying. They are just vessels and a means to an end. And when they die, it was “God’s will” so they are absolved of any wrongdoing.

Blessed be the fruit.

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15 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Yeah, you ought be more concerned with the number of deaths of pregnant Texans. That is something that concerns me.

Would that all hacks were honest enough to couch their conclusions as such:  “All the research points to Texas’ abortion ban as the primary driver of this alarming increase.” 
 

“Points to” is open ended enough to invite counter arguments; you offered yours. So, you, too are a hack?

Confirmation bias is deeply entrenched with folks like Anastasis.  

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16 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Yeah, you ought be more concerned with the number of deaths of pregnant Texans. That is something that concerns me.

Without googling it, tell me what the leading cause of maternal mortality is. 

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6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Without googling it, tell me what the leading cause of maternal mortality is. 

Leading cause of death in the US is heart disease, so I figure the answer is heart disease. It’s possible Covid was the leading cause during the pandemic. Among women who don’t want to carry their pregnancy to term, botched abortions could be their number one cause of death, and we wouldn’t know. Reviewing those deaths is forbidden by law, due to the dark age dipshits, with whom you apparently agree.

Lack of quality medical care has to be on the upswing, though. At least in this state, as we watch on/gyns flee.

 

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Given that preeclampsia is a common complication of pregnancy, that is actually a good guess. But the real answer is mental health disorders, including substance abuse disorder. Now if you want to hammer Texas specifically, and the united states more broadly, for our approach to mental health care, and talk about ways to meaningful reform that system, you will find an ally in me. If you just want to run out diversionary nonsense based on bad epidemiological analysis, not so much.  

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