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No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

Brisketexan
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I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

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of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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I don't get it.  The contradiction in terms aside, how do they know who is pregnant and who is not and can even possess/order/consume the drug itself?  My politics aside, and even for the Deep South, I honestly don't understand how this can be implemented.  Da fuh?  

Edit.  I got it.  They purposely wrote it like this so you have to provide proof of pregnancy (OTC test, OBGYN report, etc.).  Then you go in and have to provide that proof to get the drug.  Then at best, you're on some kinda "watch list", at worst you get arrested and made to carry baby to term.  Got it.  Took me a minute.  Seemed moronic at first blush, but looking at the language now, this is a long-game play.  

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55 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Comstock, imo.

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Isn’t supervision and provision of the delivery of mail the exclusively within the purview of the federal government? Seems like that is pretty explicitly laid out in the constitution

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16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Isn’t supervision and provision of the delivery of mail the exclusively within the purview of the federal government? Seems like that is pretty explicitly laid out in the constitution

Louis "I'mma gonna fuck up this service" DeJoy has entered the chat.

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Abortion question for Texas:

My brother has a 10 yo down syndrome daughter who is physically fully functional (even knows how to swim quite well), but alas is still not potty trained and seems like will never advance past her current grasp of things in language, communication, and behavior.

Since she is getting to "that age", the discussion has come up as to how to deal with her not getting prego in a few years.

Pretty much every form of birth control is out for some obvious reasons. She even has to be put under for routine teeth cleaning. So sterilization was also mentioned.

The discussion also included some what if scenarios imcluding her actually getting pregnant, let's say at a very early teen age.

Surly experts, run me down the options in Texas. My loose understanding of current Texas law leads me to believe that abortion would be out.

I realize there are pills and what-not, but I am going to assume that in this scenario, it would be too late for that given the individual.

Also assume a healthy normal fetus.

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

Isn’t supervision and provision of the delivery of mail the exclusively within the purview of the federal government? Seems like that is pretty explicitly laid out in the constitution

They can certainly ignore the cease-and-desist letters.  The consequences?  No idea.

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34 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is actually one of my bigger WTFs with Biden.

IIRC it's largely out of his hands. I think there is a board and election and some shit. I dunno, but my understanding is it's not just a wave of a pen kind of thing. like a lot of shit trump ruined, his presidency was the perfect storm of caught-off-guard electorate and timing of being able to appoint some thorns in the side of government. his puppetmasters definitely got what they wanted out his first term. no reason they should think they won't get everything the second time.

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On 5/10/2024 at 1:11 PM, NeverMarryAStripper said:

We don't have a popular initiative, referendum, or recall in Texas because it's just anarchy if the citizens get to decide issues

It’s extremely backwards and weird because Texas has always been about the individual or it’s all on you. No government help. Don’t ask anyone to support you or feel bad for you.  I have mine, fuck you.

from a political perspective, Texas tries to crush the individual by voter suppression, no initiatives/ referendums, extreme gerrymandering, and every decision is made by the state legislature which is definitely not made up of our best and brightest ( far far from it).

They have their 7-9 million voting republican base and they want you to feel discouraged to vote, come in and shut up,accept republican rule for life.

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huge huge dick move 

Actually I'm quite sure those profs have tiny dicks. What kind of teacher goes out of their way to hate their students, especially when those students are going into life-crippling debt to be there? UT should fire these fucking clowns.

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Is RateMyProf still around? Because those two should never ever have another student again. Let's see if they get paid when everybody avoids them like the fucking plague.

What about the slam tables?
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Man....Bonevac turned into a huge POS.  I had him as my prof 30+ years ago.  And then got to know him through various other circles, although we haven't seen much of each other the last decade+.  But jesus, he went completely off the deep end.

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5 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Looks like Texas supreme court just said fuck you to clarifying the law

at this point can they even articulate the life they are supposedly protecting?

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at this point can they even articulate the life they are supposedly protecting?

“Not that of women, who really shouldn’t even be allowed to vote, as it distracts from their biblical wifely obligations.”
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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2024/06/04/how-a-couple-found-themselves-tangled-in-texas-strict-abortion-laws-after-miscarriage/

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How a couple found themselves tangled in Texas’ strict abortion laws after miscarriage

The woman was allegedly denied a surgical abortion option at two facilities after her fetus’ heartbeat stopped

The woman knew there would be blood, but she hadn’t expected this much or for it to be bright red.

It had been nearly a day since the Surepoint Emergency Center outside of Fort Worth told her that she was miscarrying at nearly 13 weeks and sent her home with a prescription and a set of instructions.

Administer the misoprostol, a drug that helps empty the uterus, and wait, the instructions said. If it doesn’t work, take another dose. There will be a lot of blood, the doctor said, but you only need to worry if it’s scarlet instead of a rusty brown. The woman, who asked not to be named out of concern for her safety, wanted a surgical procedure to clear her uterus, but the doctor told her it wasn’t an option at the facility.

Worried by the amount of blood, the woman and her husband, Ryan Hamilton, returned to Surepoint, their 9-month-old daughter in tow. The trip was the beginning of a 24-hour race to get the woman additional abortion care while she bled until she lost consciousness on her bathroom floor.

“She started to lose a lot of blood and a lot of body fluid, to the point where it’s scary,” Hamilton said. “She’s a very strong Texas woman. She’s determined to do it. I’m not surprised she stayed in there longer than she probably should have before she passed out.”

Related:Dallas church opens pregnancy center with abortion resources

The woman’s story, which her first husband shared on social media and with The News, is yet another example of a Texan stuck in the gray space of the state’s abortion laws that ban the procedure in all cases except to preserve the life of the mother. Her miscarriage occurred two weeks before the Texas Supreme Court ruled against several other women who sued the state because they struggled to get medical assistance for complications including conditions that lead to miscarriage, they said.

Two medical centers allegedly denied the woman a surgical abortion because her case was not considered emergent enough, Hamilton said, despite the fact that her fetus’ heartbeat had stopped.

The Dallas Morning News reviewed the woman’s medical records shared by Hamilton to confirm the timeline of the family’s experience. The News also consulted an outside physician who specializes in obstetrics and gynecology on the case and contacted the Surepoint Emergency Center and Lake Granbury Medical Center, the two hospitals where the woman was prescribed misoprostol.

A legal representative for Surepoint Emergency Center said that, because of patient confidentiality, the medical center is unable to comment on specific cases. Lake Granbury Medical Center, another hospital the couple visited, did not immediately respond to requests by email and phone for comment on Monday.

The News is not naming individual doctors associated with the case as there were clinicians providing the woman care across multiple hospitals working within the rules and guidance of their medical institutions. Hamilton and his wife are not pursuing legal action against any of the physicians they saw regarding the miscarriage, they said.

Miscarriage, also known as a spontaneous abortion, can be devastating and isolating. Hamilton said his wife’s experience trying to access the treatment that was safest and best for her made it even more traumatic.

Dr. Todd Ivey, a Houston-based OB-GYN who was not involved in the woman’s case, said that, though it depends on the specifics of each patient, it’s common for doctors to give the choice between medication or surgical miscarriage treatment, or even managing the pregnancy until it passes on its own.

“I find that the majority of my patients opt for a surgical treatment because, once they find out their pregnancy is not viable, they prefer to get it over with. Once they resolve all of it and they grieve and they say, ‘I want to move on,’” Ivey said. “Neither option is wrong.”

‘Get this dead baby out of me’

When the couple found out they were pregnant with their second child, Hamilton said he and his wife never discussed what they would do if something went wrong. They talked about names and landed on Dre or Drake, depending on the baby’s gender.

“We were excited. There was no, ‘What can we do?’ Because we had such a successful pregnancy the first time,” Hamilton said. “You don’t think this is ever gonna happen.”

On Thursday, May 16, a doctor confirmed their worst fears: The woman was miscarrying. Records from the visit shared with The Dallas Morning News confirm the practitioners couldn’t find fetal heart tones. The fetus measured at just over seven weeks, meaning the fetus had stopped growing and that they had likely lost their heartbeat days or weeks earlier.

That day, a doctor prescribed three tablets of misoprostol with one refill in case the first dose didn’t work. Hamilton said the doctor told them they would have to go to another hospital to get a dilatation and curettage, or a surgical abortion, to remove the fetus.

Dr. Ivey, speaking generally about medication abortions, said it can take up to a week for someone to pass a pregnancy using misoprostol.

The woman began the medication the next morning. After hours, it became clear that she hadn’t passed the pregnancy, so the couple picked up the second dose from the pharmacy.

“We try it again and there’s bright red blood,” Hamilton said. “It’s not working. It’s not gonna work.”

Related:Texas man asks court for permission to investigate former partner’s out-of-state abortion

The woman labored through the night and returned to the same medical center the next morning, with Hamilton listening to the appointment by phone in the family’s truck with their daughter. The doctor told the woman they wouldn’t prescribe her another dose.

“She told the doctor ‘Get this dead baby out of me,’” Hamilton said, choking up. “And they asked her to leave.”

The family drove nearly an hour to Lake Granbury Medical Center, the hospital where the woman gave birth to their 9-month-old daughter, to get a second opinion. They waited for hours before doctors at the hospital said they didn’t find her case emergent enough to do a surgical abortion, but that they could schedule it for a week or two later.

Doctors repeatedly asked the woman the same questions. Hamilton said it felt like they were stalling.

The medical center did not immediately respond to The News’ request for comment by email and phone on Monday.

The doctors eventually agreed to prescribe one final, stronger dose of misoprostol, Hamilton said. Medical records from the visit The DMN reviewed again confirmed that the fetus did not have a heartbeat.

“They didn’t explain why they were hesitant. They framed it like, ‘Look, we’re going to give you this prescription, but this is it. You’re not going to be able to get another one if this doesn’t work,’” Hamilton said. “It was like we were being reprimanded.”

Hamilton and his wife were frightened but relieved that they at least had another opportunity to help complete the miscarriage.

The dose was eight pills inserted vaginally over 24 hours. The bleeding intensified and the woman became increasingly weak and pale. She started vomiting and having diarrhea before passing softball-sized blood clots. After days of waiting, Hamilton said, it felt like progress.

At 10 a.m. on Sunday, May 19 — two days after beginning her first dose of misoprostol — Hamilton found his wife unconscious in their bathroom, covered in her own blood and feces.

“She needed help as soon as possible or she was going to die,” said Hamilton. “I knew if I picked her up and got her in the truck, I could get to the hospital faster. That may be reckless, but in that moment I did not care. All I wanted to do was save my wife’s life.”

He rushed her to a third hospital, where doctors gave her fluids. Medical records confirm she had passed the pregnancy at that point.

Texas’ abortion landscape

Making decisions that could impact a person’s life, pregnancy or future fertility is a difficult task. Medical experts say it’s become even more challenging in the last two years.

Doctors in Texas must now operate under three overlapping bans. The Texas Heartbeat Act, also known as SB8, allows private individuals to bring civil suits against anyone who performs or aids an abortion after the detection of fetal cardiac activity. A “trigger ban” went into effect when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, ending federal abortion protections. Then, there’s the pre-Roe ban, which is still possibly in effect, that criminalizes performing or providing the means for an abortion.

Certain situations are exempt from the bans, including miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies and instances where the mother is at risk of death or serious bodily harm.

Doctors and patients across the country and in Texas have called the bans confusing, saying the legal language leaves providers unsure whether their actions could lead to fines or worse.

The Texas Medical Board is currently determining what rules to issue about how doctors should practice under the bans, a move that medical experts have been requesting for months. But during a five-hour hearing last week, doctors, lawyers and patients testified that the proposed guidance offers little clarification and could make working under the laws even harder.

Last week, the Texas Supreme Court ruled against more than 20 Texas women, including multiple OB-GYNs, who sued the state over abortions they said were delayed or denied during medical emergencies. Amanda Zurawski, the lead plaintiff in the case, said she suffered permanent damage to her reproductive system as a result of her treatment.

The lawsuit argued that any woman with a medically complicated pregnancy, including a fatal fetal diagnosis, should be exempt from the state’s bans. The Supreme Court said an injunction allowing such exemptions granted in a lower court “departed from the law as written without constitutional justification.”

It’s impossible to say whether the woman’s miscarriage care was influenced by the abortion bans, even though her case should fall outside the laws’ bounds.

Still, Hamilton felt compelled to share his family’s story so people know experiences like this are happening across the state.

“I love Texas. I love the people of Texas. My wife loves Texas,” Hamilton said. “But this is something that needs to be addressed and fixed.”

 

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How a couple found themselves tangled in Texas’ strict abortion laws after miscarriage

The woman was allegedly denied a surgical abortion option at two facilities after her fetus’ heartbeat stopped

The woman knew there would be blood, but she hadn’t expected this much or for it to be bright red.

It had been nearly a day since the Surepoint Emergency Center outside of Fort Worth told her that she was miscarrying at nearly 13 weeks and sent her home with a prescription and a set of instructions.

Administer the misoprostol, a drug that helps empty the uterus, and wait, the instructions said. If it doesn’t work, take another dose. There will be a lot of blood, the doctor said, but you only need to worry if it’s scarlet instead of a rusty brown. The woman, who asked not to be named out of concern for her safety, wanted a surgical procedure to clear her uterus, but the doctor told her it wasn’t an option at the facility.

Worried by the amount of blood, the woman and her husband, Ryan Hamilton, returned to Surepoint, their 9-month-old daughter in tow. The trip was the beginning of a 24-hour race to get the woman additional abortion care while she bled until she lost consciousness on her bathroom floor.

“She started to lose a lot of blood and a lot of body fluid, to the point where it’s scary,” Hamilton said. “She’s a very strong Texas woman. She’s determined to do it. I’m not surprised she stayed in there longer than she probably should have before she passed out.”

Related:Dallas church opens pregnancy center with abortion resources

The woman’s story, which her first husband shared on social media and with The News, is yet another example of a Texan stuck in the gray space of the state’s abortion laws that ban the procedure in all cases except to preserve the life of the mother. Her miscarriage occurred two weeks before the Texas Supreme Court ruled against several other women who sued the state because they struggled to get medical assistance for complications including conditions that lead to miscarriage, they said.

Two medical centers allegedly denied the woman a surgical abortion because her case was not considered emergent enough, Hamilton said, despite the fact that her fetus’ heartbeat had stopped.

The Dallas Morning News reviewed the woman’s medical records shared by Hamilton to confirm the timeline of the family’s experience. The News also consulted an outside physician who specializes in obstetrics and gynecology on the case and contacted the Surepoint Emergency Center and Lake Granbury Medical Center, the two hospitals where the woman was prescribed misoprostol.

A legal representative for Surepoint Emergency Center said that, because of patient confidentiality, the medical center is unable to comment on specific cases. Lake Granbury Medical Center, another hospital the couple visited, did not immediately respond to requests by email and phone for comment on Monday.

The News is not naming individual doctors associated with the case as there were clinicians providing the woman care across multiple hospitals working within the rules and guidance of their medical institutions. Hamilton and his wife are not pursuing legal action against any of the physicians they saw regarding the miscarriage, they said.

Miscarriage, also known as a spontaneous abortion, can be devastating and isolating. Hamilton said his wife’s experience trying to access the treatment that was safest and best for her made it even more traumatic.

Dr. Todd Ivey, a Houston-based OB-GYN who was not involved in the woman’s case, said that, though it depends on the specifics of each patient, it’s common for doctors to give the choice between medication or surgical miscarriage treatment, or even managing the pregnancy until it passes on its own.

“I find that the majority of my patients opt for a surgical treatment because, once they find out their pregnancy is not viable, they prefer to get it over with. Once they resolve all of it and they grieve and they say, ‘I want to move on,’” Ivey said. “Neither option is wrong.”

‘Get this dead baby out of me’

When the couple found out they were pregnant with their second child, Hamilton said he and his wife never discussed what they would do if something went wrong. They talked about names and landed on Dre or Drake, depending on the baby’s gender.

“We were excited. There was no, ‘What can we do?’ Because we had such a successful pregnancy the first time,” Hamilton said. “You don’t think this is ever gonna happen.”

On Thursday, May 16, a doctor confirmed their worst fears: The woman was miscarrying. Records from the visit shared with The Dallas Morning News confirm the practitioners couldn’t find fetal heart tones. The fetus measured at just over seven weeks, meaning the fetus had stopped growing and that they had likely lost their heartbeat days or weeks earlier.

That day, a doctor prescribed three tablets of misoprostol with one refill in case the first dose didn’t work. Hamilton said the doctor told them they would have to go to another hospital to get a dilatation and curettage, or a surgical abortion, to remove the fetus.

Dr. Ivey, speaking generally about medication abortions, said it can take up to a week for someone to pass a pregnancy using misoprostol.

The woman began the medication the next morning. After hours, it became clear that she hadn’t passed the pregnancy, so the couple picked up the second dose from the pharmacy.

“We try it again and there’s bright red blood,” Hamilton said. “It’s not working. It’s not gonna work.”

Related:Texas man asks court for permission to investigate former partner’s out-of-state abortion

The woman labored through the night and returned to the same medical center the next morning, with Hamilton listening to the appointment by phone in the family’s truck with their daughter. The doctor told the woman they wouldn’t prescribe her another dose.

“She told the doctor ‘Get this dead baby out of me,’” Hamilton said, choking up. “And they asked her to leave.”

The family drove nearly an hour to Lake Granbury Medical Center, the hospital where the woman gave birth to their 9-month-old daughter, to get a second opinion. They waited for hours before doctors at the hospital said they didn’t find her case emergent enough to do a surgical abortion, but that they could schedule it for a week or two later.

Doctors repeatedly asked the woman the same questions. Hamilton said it felt like they were stalling.

The medical center did not immediately respond to The News’ request for comment by email and phone on Monday.

The doctors eventually agreed to prescribe one final, stronger dose of misoprostol, Hamilton said. Medical records from the visit The DMN reviewed again confirmed that the fetus did not have a heartbeat.

“They didn’t explain why they were hesitant. They framed it like, ‘Look, we’re going to give you this prescription, but this is it. You’re not going to be able to get another one if this doesn’t work,’” Hamilton said. “It was like we were being reprimanded.”

Hamilton and his wife were frightened but relieved that they at least had another opportunity to help complete the miscarriage.

The dose was eight pills inserted vaginally over 24 hours. The bleeding intensified and the woman became increasingly weak and pale. She started vomiting and having diarrhea before passing softball-sized blood clots. After days of waiting, Hamilton said, it felt like progress.

At 10 a.m. on Sunday, May 19 — two days after beginning her first dose of misoprostol — Hamilton found his wife unconscious in their bathroom, covered in her own blood and feces.

“She needed help as soon as possible or she was going to die,” said Hamilton. “I knew if I picked her up and got her in the truck, I could get to the hospital faster. That may be reckless, but in that moment I did not care. All I wanted to do was save my wife’s life.”

He rushed her to a third hospital, where doctors gave her fluids. Medical records confirm she had passed the pregnancy at that point.

Texas’ abortion landscape

Making decisions that could impact a person’s life, pregnancy or future fertility is a difficult task. Medical experts say it’s become even more challenging in the last two years.

Doctors in Texas must now operate under three overlapping bans. The Texas Heartbeat Act, also known as SB8, allows private individuals to bring civil suits against anyone who performs or aids an abortion after the detection of fetal cardiac activity. A “trigger ban” went into effect when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, ending federal abortion protections. Then, there’s the pre-Roe ban, which is still possibly in effect, that criminalizes performing or providing the means for an abortion.

Certain situations are exempt from the bans, including miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies and instances where the mother is at risk of death or serious bodily harm.

Doctors and patients across the country and in Texas have called the bans confusing, saying the legal language leaves providers unsure whether their actions could lead to fines or worse.

The Texas Medical Board is currently determining what rules to issue about how doctors should practice under the bans, a move that medical experts have been requesting for months. But during a five-hour hearing last week, doctors, lawyers and patients testified that the proposed guidance offers little clarification and could make working under the laws even harder.

Last week, the Texas Supreme Court ruled against more than 20 Texas women, including multiple OB-GYNs, who sued the state over abortions they said were delayed or denied during medical emergencies. Amanda Zurawski, the lead plaintiff in the case, said she suffered permanent damage to her reproductive system as a result of her treatment.

The lawsuit argued that any woman with a medically complicated pregnancy, including a fatal fetal diagnosis, should be exempt from the state’s bans. The Supreme Court said an injunction allowing such exemptions granted in a lower court “departed from the law as written without constitutional justification.”

It’s impossible to say whether the woman’s miscarriage care was influenced by the abortion bans, even though her case should fall outside the laws’ bounds.

Still, Hamilton felt compelled to share his family’s story so people know experiences like this are happening across the state.

“I love Texas. I love the people of Texas. My wife loves Texas,” Hamilton said. “But this is something that needs to be addressed and fixed.”

 

Suffering women are a feature, not a bug.  It's what they deserve because of Eve's original sin.  WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION THE BIBLE?????

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32 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Really?  In all cases?

Fuck these asshats.


If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.

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Embarrassment to the university. Someone should fuck those professors straight up with a tire iron.

Then dock their pay for "unexcused absence" while in the hospital. 

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47 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:


If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.

Is this a serious post?

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Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

no, but it's either a direct quote or an excerpt from something a sitting congressperson said a decade or so ago. 

I thought it sounded familiar, which is why I asked. 

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43 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Also, surely this will help with abortions.

It's not about abortion.  It never was.

Ban abortion.  Ban contraception.  Eliminate "no fault" divorce.  See where we're going?  You have to get pregnant, stay pregnant, and be locked into a marriage no matter how shitty it is.

The conservative movement is about enslaving women.  Always has been.  "A Handmaid's Tale" is an aspiration to them, not a cautionary tale.

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18 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's not about abortion.  It never was.

Ban abortion.  Ban contraception.  Eliminate "no fault" divorce.  See where we're going?  You have to get pregnant, stay pregnant, and be locked into a marriage no matter how shitty it is.

The conservative movement is about enslaving women.  Always has been.  "A Handmaid's Tale" is an aspiration to them, not a cautionary tale.

Yeah, the party of “individual liberty” wants to force you to stay married to someone you don’t want to be married to.

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