Official Thread for Abortion Demagoguery

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20493]

 

[Sawbonz 27588]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Not anymore.  The states are free to regulate to before 10 weeks.  We're not talking about "fetal heartbeat" laws anymore.  We're talking complete ban.

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. I was responding to the specific scenario of a very early miscarriage. Prior to detectable heartbeat there is rarely a need for D&C for a spontaneous abortion ie miscarriage. There will be a normal menses in almost all cases once pregnancy hormones are gone. Routine D&C will still be common

[Player 4576]

Can I still collect a $10k bounty under SB8? I have some Maga neighbors who celebrated the death of RGB and the end of Roe. They have 3 daughters, and will no doubt be on the first available flight to CA if/when one of them gets knocked up. I won’t profit off of their misfortune, but would love to be able to make a $10k donation in their name to Planned Parenthood.

[Dahobbs 17681]

10 minutes ago, Player said:

Can I still collect a $10k bounty under SB8? I have some Maga neighbors who celebrated the death of RGB and the end of Roe. They have 3 daughters, and will no doubt be on the first available flight to CA if/when one of them gets knocked up. I won’t profit off of their misfortune, but would love to be able to make a $10k donation in their name to Planned Parenthood.

So, knock up their daughters. You have your mission. 

[Brisketexan 105336]

Can I still collect a $10k bounty under SB8? I have some Maga neighbors who celebrated the death of RGB and the end of Roe. They have 3 daughters, and will no doubt be on the first available flight to CA if/when one of them gets knocked up. I won’t profit off of their misfortune, but would love to be able to make a $10k donation in their name to Planned Parenthood.

Here’s my thought…..sue them anyway. Now, today. Because they stature says that no matter what (including if you bring the claim in bad faith), the court cannot award the defendant their attorneys fees. You can sue them, and require them to retain an attorney to get it dismissed.
And it actually allows a claim against anyone who “intends” to get an abortion. You can then take a deposition of their daughter to determine her intent. Subpoena her text messages with her boyfriend. Ask her about her sexual activity.
They created an instrument of torture with SB8. So….let’s use it.

[Dahobbs 17681]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Here’s my thought…..sue them anyway. Now, today. Because they stature says that no matter what (including if you bring the claim in bad faith), the court cannot award the defendant their attorneys fees. You can sue them, and require them to retain an attorney to get it dismissed.
And it actually allows a claim against anyone who “intends” to get an abortion. You can then take a deposition of their daughter to determine her intent. Subpoena her text messages with her boyfriend. Ask her about her sexual activity.
They created an instrument of torture with SB8. So….let’s use it.

You could sue any of our state officials and allege that they are intending on supporting an abortion. Get phone records and depositions to ask them about their infidelities. Torture everyone. 

[Dahobbs 17681]

Actually, let's sue johnny. That sounds fun. 

[TexArcher 38066]

55 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This. You don’t get to partially void/erase the right to privacy and to control your own body. Clarence Thomas is an asshole psychopath, but his dissent is actually right. They’ve ALREADY overruled Griswold, Lawrence, etc. When you remove the right to privacy/bodily autonomy as a fundamental right, it’s done.
Never in our history has a right so fundamental, so intertwined with our daily lives and our fundamental humanity been erased.
Some people don’t realize what a seismic shift and leap backwards Dobbs represents. Just the control of the female reproductive system is draconian enough….but it’s so much more than that.
The takeaway from Dobbs is this: this is really, really bad. It will get much, much worse.

All of this.  And this is why I said that the day Roe was overturned will be looked at as the day that America died.  Dark, dark times are coming.

[bluto 4942]

How long will it be before draconian states see a flood of obgyn surgeons leave, where the toeing of the line and risk factors of providing standard services just aren’t worth it. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33899]

1 minute ago, bluto said:

How long will it be before draconian states see a flood of obgyn surgeons leave, where the toeing of the line and risk factors of providing standard services just aren’t worth it. 

that'll happen in poorer/rural communities for sure. the bum fucks bum fucked themselves

[royiv 9355]

1 minute ago, bluto said:

How long will it be before draconian states see a flood of obgyn surgeons leave, where the toeing of the line and risk factors of providing standard services just aren’t worth it. 

Anecdotal, but after SB8 was passed in TX, I heard from multiple OB and MFM candidates that they would no longer consider a position in TX. 

[Gourmand 7774]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Here’s my thought…..sue them anyway. Now, today. Because they stature says that no matter what (including if you bring the claim in bad faith), the court cannot award the defendant their attorneys fees. You can sue them, and require them to retain an attorney to get it dismissed.
And it actually allows a claim against anyone who “intends” to get an abortion. You can then take a deposition of their daughter to determine her intent. Subpoena her text messages with her boyfriend. Ask her about her sexual activity.
They created an instrument of torture with SB8. So….let’s use it.

[gmr548 16616]

Of course there will be the big blue state outliers, but not everyone wants to kill a child in the 3rd trimester.

Lmao you really thought this was some kind of lib owning slam dunk. Jesus Christ. I am awestruck by your abject stupidity. Incredible.

[gmr548 16616]

Others have already said it, but absense is not precedent. The Supreme Court had never addressed whether a right to control your own in body existed before. But, after Roe, it reaffirmed that such rights existed multiple times. What's amazing is that this Court, in complete abandonment of the principles that has guided it since its creation, removed a right that had been previously established. I don't believe that has ever happened before. That should be terrifying to everyone. 

Okay sure, but have you ever tasted liberal tears?

[6th Street 6508]

2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

Rosencopter! Great take btw 

[Biff Tannen 45741]

3 hours ago, TexArcher said:

Absolutely this.

They obviously don't give a shit about babies or fetuses, for all the reasons that have been pointed out.

So what is this really about?  Control, probably?  And all the other dominoes that are easier to knock over after this very stubborn one finally fell?

So what dominoes are next?  Gay marriage, for sure.  Probably access to birth control.  Then, what?  Finishing their wall?  Deporting illegal brown people?  Deporting legal brown people?

I feel like there's no limit to how far they can take this.  Fox can spin and sell absolutely anything to half the country and they can gerrymander and cheat to make sure they never lose again.  And that means they can do absolutely whatever the fuck they want.

Seems like you understand it pretty well.  PM Brisket for the Ledge Starter Kit.

[Bama Chick 28596]

These fucking “people”

I hate feeling so much hate. It makes me feel like them.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Oh oh OH

SPILL ALLLLLL THE TEA

[bolverk 29717]

Someone should sue Ted Cruz. His daughters are teens, correct?

[Pancho 44995]

So just now on CNN, they were live at a rally in LA.  The reporter spoke with both pro-choice people and “pro-unborn baby” people.  The reporter mentioned that the “pro-unborn baby” activists told her they still had more work to do in California and will be in the state a lot to protest, organize, etc to stop it in California.

But…didn’t our radical right wing Surly folk just tell us that this decision made it so abortion “gOeS bAcK tO tHe StAtEs!”?  So if this decision did make it so it goes back to the states, and California has decided how they will handle abortion, then why would the “pro-unborn baby” crowd still want to protest, hold rallies, and harass people at abortion clinics in that state?  

So which one is it?  

 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2682]

12 hours ago, Brothahorn said:

 

 

No I don't think it's 51% either way. I actually think once decent people have to make decisions, you and the rest will be surprised on limited it will be. Of course there will be the big blue state outliers, but not everyone wants to kill a child in the 3rd trimester.

 

 

This is so fucking disingenuous. No connection to reality whatsoever. Fuck you.

[Hank Scorpio 17731]

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46130]

[Jebus 1330]

3 hours ago, Player said:

Can I still collect a $10k bounty under SB8? I have some Maga neighbors who celebrated the death of RGB and the end of Roe. They have 3 daughters, and will no doubt be on the first available flight to CA if/when one of them gets knocked up. I won’t profit off of their misfortune, but would love to be able to make a $10k donation in their name to Planned Parenthood.

Or spend 10k on extremely gaudy, huge “congrats on your abortion” signs and decorations for their yard 

[fattyflattie 4638]

4 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

They are celebrating being white Christian nationalists that own land. They can’t wait to go back to the days when they were in charge and America was “Great.” None of the up coming decisions or legislation affects them and they damn sure don’t care about their fellow human.

I’m not certain that’s what @Brothahorn is celebrating.  

[MissingInAction 25187]

The ladies on my social media feeds are rightfully going ape shit. Everyone marching or getting ready to march.

One wing nut idiot piped onto one thread comparing the right to chose with people not wanting to wear masks or get vaxxed.

He was promptly eviscerated.

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by MissingInAction

[Longhorn_Fan68 33899]

1 minute ago, MissingInAction said:

He was promptly eviscerated.

 

too bad that's hyperbole. life gets real, fast when you're looking at your own guts

Edited June 25, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[fattyflattie 4638]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Here’s my thought…..sue them anyway. Now, today. Because they stature says that no matter what (including if you bring the claim in bad faith), the court cannot award the defendant their attorneys fees. You can sue them, and require them to retain an attorney to get it dismissed.
And it actually allows a claim against anyone who “intends” to get an abortion. You can then take a deposition of their daughter to determine her intent. Subpoena her text messages with her boyfriend. Ask her about her sexual activity.
They created an instrument of torture with SB8. So….let’s use it.

I love evil brisket. Would you feel the same way about suing those you know can’t afford it for sport? Like poors who reside on your political team? Maybe send them from barley hanging on to under the threshold?  And @Johnny Sack is the evil one…

[Biff Tannen 45741]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I love evil brisket. Would you feel the same way about suing those you know can’t afford it for sport? Like poors who reside on your political team? Maybe send them from barley hanging on to under the threshold?  And @Johnny Sack is the evil one…

I feel like you misunderstood his post. 

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I love evil brisket. Would you feel the same way about suing those you know can’t afford it for sport? Like poors who reside on your political team? Maybe send them from barley hanging on to under the threshold?  And @Johnny Sack is the evil one…

Gee, it's almost like there's a distinction between targeting those who, you know, actually supported and voted for this legislation vs poors who didn't. I just quite can't put my finger on why there might be a difference there.

Edited June 25, 2022 by Serak The Preparer

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

And @Brisketexan @Dahobbs (and potentially @TwiceHorn) - do you know if there is anybody that actually has been sued this way? Can non-Texans actually sue under this bill, and if so, how judgement proof would "nuisance suits" be? I am 100% serious about filing against literally every daughter / wife of any Texas Republican senator who voted for this bill if I can and am actually free from penalty. I know you can't give binding legal advice over the board so hell, PM me and am willing to actually have a call to discuss.

[Dahobbs 17681]

6 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

And @Brisketexan @Dahobbs (and potentially @TwiceHorn) - do you know if there is anybody that actually has been sued this way? Can non-Texans actually sue under this bill, and if so, how judgement proof would "nuisance suits" be? I am 100% serious about filing against literally every daughter / wife of any Texas Republican senator who voted for this bill if I can and am actually free from penalty. I know you can't give binding legal advice over the board so hell, PM me and am willing to actually have a call to discuss.

I don't believe this law has actually been used. Happy to help you do it though. 

[Gourmand 7774]

16 hours ago, TexArcher said:

This is all true, but Hillary and her handlers deserve even more blame for not even going to the midwest.

After everything the Democrats did for unions and blue-collar workers, they never should have had to worry about the midwest again.  And they didn't, for decades.  Until they forgot that there are actual human beings in those places who need to be told, face-to-face, that you remember them, you get them, and you care about them.  

The only thing Trump ever said that was right was that Hillary blew what should have been an easy win.  An absolute break-away lay-up.  And it'll go down as one of the biggest political blunders in history.

Although, in fairness, at this point I'm pretty sure the GOP would've successfully created some other monster by 2020.  Fox News has made this a country that craves a monster and won't settle for anything less.

“The court used – at least in the 20th century – to protect the little guy from the rich and powerful. More and more it does the opposite – to protect the rich and powerful from the little guy. If I am fortunate enough to be president, I will appoint judges to ensure that the scales of justice are not cast by individuals on corporations and special interests.” Who will protect the constitutional principles of freedom and equality for all, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, or political point of view? Who protects a woman’s right to vote and not the billionaires’ right to vote? and who will see the Constitution as a blueprint for progress, not an obstacle to it? ”

 

--Hillary Clinton, March 28, 2016. At an event in Madison, WS.

 

[fattyflattie 4638]

21 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Gee, it's almost like there's a distinction between targeting those who, you know, actually supported and voted for this legislation vs poors who didn't. I just quite can't put my finger on why there might be a difference there.

It’s all team vs team.  You vote completely on one issue or nah? You fall in lockstep with every single piece of legislation your team proposes or nah?

[Biff Tannen 45741]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s all team vs team.  You vote completely on one issue or nah? You fall in lockstep with every single piece of legislation your team proposes or nah?

If my team were proposing fascism, I might rethink things a bit. 

[fattyflattie 4638]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

If my team were proposing fascism, I might rethink things a bit. 

I just have missed that particular bill. Link? 

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s all team vs team.  You vote completely on one issue or nah? You fall in lockstep with every single piece of legislation your team proposes or nah?

Again you are being obtuse (I suspect intentionally so). If a legislator voted for a specific bill or if someone supported a specific piece of legislation then there is a critical difference about using that legislation against them vs a non-supporter.

[Biff Tannen 45741]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I just have missed that particular bill. Link? 

Did you miss the part where I explained we don’t tolerate disingenuous shitbags?

[jimmyjazz 46130]

13 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

It’s all team vs team.  You vote completely on one issue or nah? You fall in lockstep with every single piece of legislation your team proposes or nah?

People who vote Republican support at least one of two planks: prohibition of abortion or the general need to suppress people of color.

Some support only one.  Most support both, along with a whole bunch of other garbage.

So, fuck modern day Republicans, including those who ONLY care about abortion, because if you will stand idly by while the party pushes through all kinds of un-American, bigoted shit, then you are no better than the Germans who didn't stand up to Hitler.  More succintly, if you value the rights of an unborn, non-breathing unviable fetus over the rights of born, breathing American citizens, then you are a worthless human being.

Decorum prevents me from saying what I think should happen to you, but unfortunately for all of us, it will not shock me if you find out within the next few years.  That's how bad this is, and I assure you, the majority of the country will "fight like hell" (hey to President Trump) to reverse the wrongs you are promoting, either actively or passively.

Edited June 25, 2022 by jimmyjazz

[Foosters 17888]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I just have missed that particular bill. Link? 

You were asleep from November to January and missed the three months where the highest members in your party attempted to steal an election? Then spent the next year plus covering it up?

I'm happy to send you links but honestly like 5 seconds of googling should clear that up. You're going to be really surprised.

[Pancho 44995]

10 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I just have missed that particular bill. Link? 

Okay, now you’re just being dumb on purpose. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19142]

This.

Edited June 25, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Longhorn_Fan68 33899]

6 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Okay, now you’re just being dumb on purpose. 

that's an option?

[fattyflattie 4638]

14 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

If a legislator voted for a specific bill or if someone supported a specific piece of legislation then there is a critical difference about using that legislation against them vs a non-supporter.

The OG post was about a guy down the street with daughters, who “celebrated the death of RGB and Roe”. Unless that guy is a politician, and the lede was buried, then Brisket wasn’t replying about politicians. So yeah, there is a difference. I quoted someone encouraging another to sue their neighbor because they disagree with their politics.  Not this senator or rep, their neighbor. 
 

15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

People who vote Republican support at least one of two planks: prohibition of abortion or the general need to suppress people of color.

This is stupid af. A huge amount of people vote only to satiate their wallets.  Well off educators people on the internet quibble about the intricacies of politics, the rest want whoever will put the most money in their wallet. 
 

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Decorum prevents me from saying what I think should happen to you, but unfortunately for all of us, it will not shock me if you find out within the next few years. 

Lol. I’d love to hear.  I’d even be ok with the mods waiving their typical policy if it crosses the surly line. 
 

18 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

That's how bad this is, and I assure you, the majority of the country will "fight like hell" (hey to President Trump) to reverse the wrongs you are promoting, either actively or passively.

Something leads me to believe I’m better suited than you to weather that outcome, in every single aspect.  

[jimmyjazz 46130]

2 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Something leads me to believe I’m better suited than you to weather that outcome, in every single aspect.  

Today?  Probably.  But not for long.

You can take that any way you fucking want to take it, but I suspect your big brain can figure it out.

[Brisketexan 105336]

Something leads me to believe I’m better suited than you to weather that outcome, in every single aspect.  

You literally vote for people who have promised to - and actually do - harm your neighbors. Real harm. Harm to people like my wife having a miscarriage. Voting is an action with purpose and consequences.
Whether you harm my wife by actually being the one to physically prevent her from getting a medical procedure that will improve her odds of survival or you knowingly grant a third party the power and directive to do so makes zero moral difference.
That’s the point here. Your 1930s German self doesn’t get to absolve yourself by saying “I’m not a Nazi, I never killed a Jew, I just VOTED for all the Nazis who promised to exterminate the Jews and then did what they said they would.”
The GQP has promised to hurt people. They are keeping their promise. And you supported them the whole way. So, yeah…you deserve whatever pain is coming to you. And if it’s done by using a weapon of cruelty forged by 100% GQP hands, more the better. If you didn’t want an easily abused law that is nothing but weaponized cruelty and suffering to be used….you shouldn’t have put people in office who told you they were going to pass that law.

[Goofyboy 3296]

Fatty - When their neighbor votes like an asshole to make women have less rights that dead people,
Fuck them. They are the enemy and should have their shit dragged through the street.

You support a party that has caused this country immense distraction unless you’re a land owning, white male. How you have not seen that is beyond me or maybe you have, but because you are a landing owning white guy, you don’t care.

[fattyflattie 4638]

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Today?  Probably.  But not for long.

You can take that any way you fucking want to take it, but I suspect your big brain can figure it out.

Don’t about the big brain part. Hobbies forum is a great place to start your search. 

[jimmyjazz 46130]

1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Don’t about the big brain part. Hobbies forum is a great place to start your search. 

I don't need to search.  I know what you're talking about.  You should know that.

[aggie08 21531]

Beating around the bush about who's going to have the most guns when the reckoning comes is what we're doing today? Fun.