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1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Bullshit. As per normal you can't even get basic facts straight. Depending on source, we haven't reached more than a million abortions in a year in a decade. If you look at CDC data we haven't broken 100k in 26 years, despite population increase. The overall rate has gone down since the passing of Roe - a lot (and again, with higher population).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/

https://www.guttmacher.org/report/abortion-incidence-service-availability-us-2017#

 

Why not use this?

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Bama Chick
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No. Fuck off with that. Not every abortion is about trauma and tragedy and using that framing plays into the christofascist’s hands. Women are humans. Humans have bodily autonomy. Ergo, women have b

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I do love this argument. I really do. It’s as convenient a way to label yourself a drooling moron as exists, outside of towing around a giant neon “I’M A MORON” sign. No, they didn’t teach us that

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of course you do. thing is, i would support that. if they choose that. and the real thing is, i'm actually pro life. both my sons were very premature, and had they been born in the 80s, they

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On 8/18/2022 at 3:13 PM, Foosters said:

are we still pretending you're a libertarian?

Has anyone ever met a pro-choice libertarian? For that matter, has anyone ever met a woman libertarian?  I feel like every last "I'm highly intelligent" anti-abortion libertarian like Anastasis, maninblack, or workswithseed would feel 180 degrees the opposite if they themselves could get pregnant.  Being libertarian is just cover for being a smug, know it all, selfish prick. 

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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Stick to saying that an induced abortion is the same as an miscarriage. 

The Bible tells me so! From Numbers 5:11-31

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11 Then the Lord said to Moses, 12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 so that another man has sexual relations with her, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure— 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah[a] of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour olive oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder-offering to draw attention to wrongdoing.

16 “‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the Lord. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the Lord, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder-offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

“‘Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”

23 “‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the Lord and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorialc]" style="font-size: 0.625em; line-height: normal; position: relative; vertical-align: text-top; top: auto; display: inline;">[c] offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has made herself impure and been unfaithful to her husband, this will be the result: When she is made to drink the water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering, it will enter her, her abdomen will swell and her womb will miscarry, and she will become a curse. 28 If, however, the woman has not made herself impure, but is clean, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.

29 “‘This, then, is the law of jealousy when a woman goes astray and makes herself impure while married to her husband, 30 or when feelings of jealousy come over a man because he suspects his wife. The priest is to have her stand before the Lord and is to apply this entire law to her. 31 The husband will be innocent of any wrongdoing, but the woman will bear the consequences of her sin.’”

 

I guess God himself telling Moses how to induce a miscarriage is abortion, but that couldn't be because the Bible says no abortion?

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Please keep going way way right, it’s likely the on,y thing that saves the country from being run by a bunch of absolute morons like Dr Oz, JD Vance, one of Hershel Walkers personalities, and that buffoon Trump again.  Thank you GOP 

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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Numbers 5:22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.

 

Lol I forgot that you don't read gud

I forget, you're not Christian.

22 and may this water that causes the curse go into your stomach, and make your belly swell and your thigh rot.”

‘Then the woman shall say, “Amen, so be it.”

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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

I forget, you're not Christian.

22 and may this water that causes the curse go into your stomach, and make your belly swell and your thigh rot.”

‘Then the woman shall say, “Amen, so be it.”


Why is it that when Christian pro-birth anti-choice whackjobs weigh in on this topic, they always expose themselves as knowing less about their own side of the argument than we know about both sides?

It says that it will make “your thigh rot” because according to Jewish law, from the 41st day of gestation until the day of delivery, what’s growing inside the woman is considered exactly what that implies: an extension of the woman’s body; most commonly referred to as a “thigh.” That’s precisely why other translations read “the womb will discharge.”

It’s funny that you said “you’re not Christian” because even the most fundamentalist nutbag Christian would know Numbers is an Old Testament book, which means Jews know this shit. And judging by your asinine response, they’d know it a hell of a lot better than you do.

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4 minutes ago, hpslugga said:


Why is it that when Christian pro-birth anti-choice whackjobs weigh in on this topic, they always expose themselves as knowing less about their own side of the argument than we know about both sides?

It says that it will make “your thigh rot” because according to Jewish law, from the 41st day of gestation until the day of delivery, what’s growing inside the woman is considered exactly what that implies: an extension of the woman’s body; most commonly referred to as a “thigh.” That’s precisely why other translations read “the womb will discharge.”

It’s funny that you said “you’re not Christian” because even the most fundamentalist nutbag Christian would know Numbers is an Old Testament book, which means Jews know this shit. And judging by your asinine response, they’d know it a hell of a lot better than you do. So when you’re done flipping the bat and rounding the bases after striking out, read the sentence on the scoreboard:

 

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54 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

It’s funny that you said “you’re not Christian” because even the most fundamentalist nutbag Christian would know Numbers is an Old Testament book, which means Jews know this shit. And judging by your asinine response, they’d know it a hell of a lot better than you do.

I always get a kick out of fundies twisting themselves up trying to pick out pieces of the old testament and enshrine them, while completely ignoring and wildly misinterpreting other parts. Like how the south used parts of levitican law to justify slavery, but looooooooved to browbeat you with the new testament gospel that mooted the old testament theologically. 

Also seedy boi I got both barrels of southern baptist indoctrination growing up. There's a variety of reasons that I don't consider myself a Christian today, but I'd bet ya a failed GoFundMe that I know my Sunday school better than you. 

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I always get a kick out of fundies twisting themselves up trying to pick out pieces of the old testament and enshrine them, while completely ignoring and wildly misinterpreting other parts. Like how the south used parts of levitican law to justify slavery, but looooooooved to browbeat you with the new testament gospel that mooted the old testament theologically. 

Also seedy boi I got both barrels of southern baptist indoctrination growing up. There's a variety of reasons that I don't consider myself a Christian today, but I'd bet ya a failed GoFundMe that I know my Sunday school better than you. 

I still don't understand how that passage was for abortion, but not for infidelity. She didn't even needed to pregnant, and it doesn't even apply to just being pregnant that you can get rid of your child, but only to cheating. 

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1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

I still don't understand how that passage was for abortion, but not for infidelity. She didn't even needed to pregnant, and it doesn't even apply to just being pregnant that you can get rid of your child, but only to cheating. 

 

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12 hours ago, workswithseed said:

It says nothing of an abortion, but of infidelity. 

It literally describes giving a poison to the woman to terminate her pregnancy. The aborted products of conception, if present, are proof of the infidelity 

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