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@GRHorn I'm going to dinner at Bob's tomorrow and expensing it to the surly business account simply to re-take the picture that is your avatar, and I'm going to replace it with one that actually looks

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The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at its all-time high today, so I'd like to congratulate Joe Biden for building the greatest economy the world has ever seen.

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23 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

God you are such a beating.  Since you want to be obtuse, lets use their percentage of wealth as you guys love to do.  Who benefits more in that situation? The guy with $400 in the bank account gets his full 5k refund back, vs the guy who gets a tax break?  Fuck outta here.  

What an astonishingly out of touch post.  I mean, you really topped your dumb ass there.  Good job.

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18 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

You are in the mortgage business. You want everyone under the sun to qualify for a mortgage. Ergo you are talking your book (of business)

Were you alive in 2008?

I was.  I have zero desire to work with a bunch of 480 credit score people- I actively send them out. This isn't self interest and I don't talk about the wonders of home ownership because I'm in the mortgage business.  I am in the mortgage business because I believe in the value of home ownership and it makes me happy to help people achieve that stuff. Honestly, if you did what I'm suggesting it is extremely unlikely it would be a benefit to me as the people not currently served by the market would have to be served by the government and I imagine they'd cut the middle man out in that scenario.  

Name me a way to help more people attain wealth than home ownership.  You can't do it. It's part and parcel of the American Dream and the biggest engine of wealth creation that exists for anyone outside of the top 2-10% of the population.  

If you are serious about wealth creation, and you want to do that by growing the pie, home ownership has to be a pillar of what you do.  Probably even more important than education b/c we will always have a class of people too stupid to get educated or achieve the benefits that come with an education but we will never have a class of people that don't need a roof over their head. 

 

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9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

You really should leave the socioeconomic discussions to the adults, because you don't meet the standard.

Again, solid contribution.  Also, Mr. Adult, you've had about 25 years longer than me to fix things.  And to hear y'all talk, our climate is about to fall out, no one can afford to pay their share, and Donald Trump was our last president.  Might be time y'all sat this next one out?

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1 minute ago, fattyflattie said:

Again, solid contribution.  Also, Mr. Adult, you've had about 25 years longer than me to fix things.  And to hear y'all talk, our climate is about to fall out, no one can afford to pay their share, and Donald Trump was our last president.  Might be time y'all sat this next one out?

How old are you?

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How old are you?

Very late 30's.

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Fatty cares about the climate, now?

I always have.  I'm an outdoors anytime I can person, especially water.  I'm just not certain the US should go to the extremes proposed when 75% of the rest of the world couldn't give a borrowed fuck.  

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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

'm just not certain the US should go to the extremes proposed when 75% of the rest of the world couldn't give a borrowed fuck.  

That's what being the leader of the world entails.  You lead by example and use it to pressure others.  You don't throw your hands up and whine that you're the first one to do it (which we aren't, hi most of Europe).

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6 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I've said this before, and I'll say it again-- the parties bases are switching. Used to be the poor and lower and working blue collar classes voted D. Now they vote R. The middle to upper and white collar voted R, now they vote D. (Broad brush strokes, but basically correct I think).

Well, what did kind of happen is that Democrats did used to rely on a very ignorant portion of the electorate that could be pandered to by promising "stuff."  The proverbial "free shit army."

Trump co-opted big chunks of the "free shit army" and a whole other very ignorant portion of the electorate, not on the grounds that they would get any free shit (never did anyway), but instead just by demonizing and blaming others for the plight of the free shit army, while continuing to cornhole the free shit army at great depth and speed.

At least the free shit army tried to vote in their own interest.

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Not so fast my friend, It is highly debatable who may own the free shit army. In fact, I think Biden won GA promising checks to the free shit army. True story.

During a fucking pandemic.  You know, the massive crisis that we are still in because members of the GQP continue to be idiots.  Holy shit.  Maybe you should post less.

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2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, what did kind of happen is that Democrats did used to rely on a very ignorant portion of the electorate that could be pandered to by promising "stuff."  The proverbial "free shit army."

Trump co-opted big chunks of the "free shit army" and a whole other very ignorant portion of the electorate, not on the grounds that they would get any free shit (never did anyway), but instead just by demonizing and blaming others for the plight of the free shit army, while continuing to cornhole the free shit army at great depth and speed.

At least the free shit army tried to vote in their own interest.

Fuck this is spot on. 

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4 hours ago, Bravo said:

Not so fast my friend, It is highly debatable who may own the free shit army. In fact, I think Biden won GA promising checks to the free shit army. True story.

He won the GA Senate, not the Presidency by promising checks, and then splitting hairs on 600 dollars

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13 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

During a fucking pandemic.  You know, the massive crisis that we are still in because members of the GQP continue to be idiots.  Holy shit.  Maybe you should post less.

How do we get out of this pandemic?  100% vaccination?  Never going to happen.  How else do we get out of this pandemic? 

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How do we get out of this pandemic?  100% vaccination?  Never going to happen.  How else do we get out of this pandemic? 

Who's advocating for a 100% vaccination? It frustrates me greatly that our country won't even sniff the 60-70% needed to build immunity due to mostly illegitimate/made up concerns.We have people protesting even when they're given the option to NOT get vaccinated but instead just to get tested on a weekly basis. What the hell? 

2 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Only 4 billion people to go.  

Yeah otherwise it's this route... 

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Who's advocating for a 100% vaccination? It frustrates me greatly that our country won't even sniff the 60-70% needed to build immunity due to mostly illegitimate/made up concerns.

67% of US population has at least one dose. (78% 12 and up, 80% 18 and up)

58% fully vaccinated (68% 12 and up, 70% 18 and up)

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-onedose-pop-12yr

 

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67% of US population has at least one dose. (78% 12 and up)

58% fully vaccinated (68% 12 and up)

 

Great the number is improving! I like to see the fully vaccinated number increase. I stand corrected. 

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How do we get out of this pandemic?  100% vaccination?  Never going to happen.  How else do we get out of this pandemic? 

We aren't.  Unless there is a shift away from "cases" being the driving factor for political decisions that, "get out of pandemic".

 

 

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How do we get out of this pandemic?  100% vaccination?  Never going to happen.  How else do we get out of this pandemic? 

We get out of this pandemic with a vast majority of people vaccinated and therapeutics that basically turn COVID into the flu.  This shit is endemic, and it seems like we are close on a number of fronts.

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14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, what did kind of happen is that Democrats did used to rely on a very ignorant portion of the electorate that could be pandered to by promising "stuff."  The proverbial "free shit army."

Trump co-opted big chunks of the "free shit army" and a whole other very ignorant portion of the electorate, not on the grounds that they would get any free shit (never did anyway), but instead just by demonizing and blaming others for the plight of the free shit army, while continuing to cornhole the free shit army at great depth and speed.

At least the free shit army tried to vote in their own interest.

This is a really good post, but the people I know who voted for Trump are not looking for free shit.  They are blue collar workers and people living in rural areas who would have been comfortably middle class when I was growing up in the 70s.  For decades they have continued to live and work as they, their parents and grandparents have, but their economic position has drifted further away from the median of middle class towards poverty -- especially relative to the wealthiest 1% of our country.  If you are a person living in my rural community, making a living here serving this community, you can't afford to own a home here as prices have been jacked up beyond what the local economy can support by people who are making or have made their wealth in a city.  I am a part of that problem, and while my goods and services needs and tax dollars support the local economy, our community is definitely divided along economic lines into those that have and those that have not.  A lot that now find themselves on the poor side of that dividing line would have been on the other side 40-50 years ago.

These are people who we tend to call ignorant rubes and dismiss with a "Fuck em!"  They are just as entitled to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as any educated professional with a more progressive world view.  Their vote is just as valid.  Their ability to pursue happiness and lead a life of contentment has been eroding for decades.  Their plight is the soil in which Trumpism sank its roots.  I think the only way out of this mess is to improve the lives of those people so that someone like Trump cannot exploit their very real struggles.  And we have to do that even as they are screaming in our face that we are their sworn enemy.

Odds are we're fucked either way, but for my kid's sake I would like to at least see someone in the middle give it some real effort.

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13 minutes ago, Goredho said:

This is a really good post, but the people I know who voted for Trump are not looking for free shit.  They are blue collar workers and people living in rural areas who would have been comfortably middle class when I was growing up in the 70s.  For decades they have continued to live and work as they, their parents and grandparents have, but their economic position has drifted further away from the median of middle class towards poverty -- especially relative to the wealthiest 1% of our country.  If you are a person living in my rural community, making a living here serving this community, you can't afford to own a home here as prices have been jacked up beyond what the local economy can support by people who are making or have made their wealth in a city.  I am a part of that problem, and while my goods and services needs and tax dollars support the local economy, our community is definitely divided along economic lines into those that have and those that have not.  A lot that now find themselves on the poor side of that dividing line would have been on the other side 40-50 years ago.

These are people who we tend to call ignorant rubes and dismiss with a "Fuck em!"  They are just as entitled to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as any educated professional with a more progressive world view.  Their vote is just as valid.  Their ability to pursue happiness and lead a life of contentment has been eroding for decades.  Their plight is the soil in which Trumpism sank its roots.  I think the only way out of this mess is to improve the lives of those people so that someone like Trump cannot exploit their very real struggles.  And we have to do that even as they are screaming in our face that we are their sworn enemy.

Odds are we're fucked either way, but for my kid's sake I would like to at least see someone in the middle give it some real effort.

You just made a very poetic case for UBI. #Yang2024

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25 minutes ago, elfenix said:

guys the government literally handing land to white people (and only white people) and then guaranteeing their mortgages for literally a century following the civil war TOTALLY doesn't count as free shit from the government!

That would be the kind of socialism I’d actually sign in for bc I think it would actually work- and kind of what I was messing around with last page in this thread talking about wealth disparity and the only way we can change that is to turn everyone into part of the asset owning class. Why can section 8 be repurposed to ownership rather than rent. We already provide money to subsidize housing let’s just do it in a permanently beneficial way instead of month by month. 
If a kid lives in the same place that is owned by his family they go to the same schools, they don’t have that fear or insecurity of moving all the time, they are known in the community bc they also are owners, and people have pride and dignity and take care of shit when it’s theirs  

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Biden forcing so many private companies to vaccinate their workforce is going to hand the WH back to Trump. Background: I want everyone to be vaccinated and I think anyone that doesn't get vaccinated is a fool. But let the fools die and live with the fact that if they help spread it to others. As an example, if Aaron Rogers spends the next 2 weeks in a hospital, I could care less. His fault 100%.

Biden will lose some voters, or inversely Trump will gain them in 2024 on the federal mandate alone. Now if Biden and the Dems are ok handing back to the govt in exchange for more vaccinations, then so be it.

Good analysis on Dem problems by Dem rep Spanberger. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/us/politics/democrat-losses-2022.html

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Responding to Tuesday’s results like an alarm bell in the night, Democrats on the ballot next year said that unless Mr. Biden and other party leaders addressed voters’ close-to-home frustrations, they were certain to lose their congressional majorities.

“We were so willing to take seriously a global pandemic, but we’re not willing to say, ‘Yeah, inflation is a problem, and supply chain is a problem, and we don’t have enough workers in our work force,’” said Representative Abigail Spanberger, a Virginia Democrat facing a bruising re-election. “We gloss over that and only like to admit to problems in spaces we dominate.”

More pointedly, Ms. Spanberger said Mr. Biden must not forget that, for many voters, his mandate was quite limited: to remove former President Donald J. Trump from their television screens and to make American life ordinary again.

“Nobody elected him to be F.D.R., they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos,” she said, alluding to the sweeping agenda the president is seeking to enact with the thinnest of legislative majorities.

Stop with the progressive agenda and govern what you have: a split congress and country. Legislation should come from the center not the left. If you want the progressive agenda, campaign and get a mandate.

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Biden forcing so many private companies to vaccinate their workforce is going to hand the WH back to Trump. Background: I want everyone to be vaccinated and I think anyone that doesn't get vaccinated is a fool. But let the fools die and live with the fact that if they help spread it to others. As an example, if Aaron Rogers spends the next 2 weeks in a hospital, I could care less. His fault 100%.

Biden will lose some voters, or inversely Trump will gain them in 2024 on the federal mandate alone. Now if Biden and the Dems are ok handing back to the govt in exchange for more vaccinations, then so be it.

Good analysis on Dem problems by Dem rep Spanberger. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/us/politics/democrat-losses-2022.html

Stop with the progressive agenda and govern what you have: a split congress and country. Legislation should come from the center not the left. If you want the progressive agenda, campaign and get a mandate.

Biden campaigned on everything they're considering for the reconciliation bill.

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18 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

That would be the kind of socialism I’d actually sign in for bc I think it would actually work- and kind of what I was messing around with last page in this thread talking about wealth disparity and the only way we can change that is to turn everyone into part of the asset owning class. Why can section 8 be repurposed to ownership rather than rent. We already provide money to subsidize housing let’s just do it in a permanently beneficial way instead of month by month. 
If a kid lives in the same place that is owned by his family they go to the same schools, they don’t have that fear or insecurity of moving all the time, they are known in the community bc they also are owners, and people have pride and dignity and take care of shit when it’s theirs  

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“Stop with the progressive agenda and govern what you have: a split congress and country. Legislation should come from the center not the left. If you want the progressive agenda, campaign and get a mandate.”

The GOP has jerked the center farther and farther to the right. Universal Healthcare, paid maternity leave, etc are all things that are considered center issues in other countries.

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20 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Biden forcing so many private companies to vaccinate their workforce is going to hand the WH back to Trump. Background: I want everyone to be vaccinated and I think anyone that doesn't get vaccinated is a fool. But let the fools die and live with the fact that if they help spread it to others. As an example, if Aaron Rogers spends the next 2 weeks in a hospital, I could care less. His fault 100%.

Biden will lose some voters, or inversely Trump will gain them in 2024 on the federal mandate alone. Now if Biden and the Dems are ok handing back to the govt in exchange for more vaccinations, then so be it.

Good analysis on Dem problems by Dem rep Spanberger. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/us/politics/democrat-losses-2022.html

Stop with the progressive agenda and govern what you have: a split congress and country. Legislation should come from the center not the left. If you want the progressive agenda, campaign and get a mandate.

Yep. That's what I hear from my wife everytime we talk- she loathed, hated and despised Trump and now she feels like Biden is a fool and a moron going from fucking up thing to thing to thing that he touches.  Her take- he was just supposed to not be Trump and give everyone a breath and calm shit down- nobody wanted him to actually do anything other than not be a national and international embarassment, rude, crude and a hateful dickhead.  She's voted for 2 republicans ever in here life- one for county judge in Harris county and 1 for state senate where she knew the other guy and said he was a creep.  

16 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Biden campaigned on everything they're considering for the reconciliation bill.

Biden ran the most lethargic and least energetic campaign, from his basement, and it was based in the primary upon- I'm not going to be too far to the left- I'm electable and in the general on "I'm not Trump".  He lost seats in the house, was the first guy elected president in a while to not pick up but actually lose a senate seat in a place that he won.  There was no mandate for anything other than not being Trump.  Just b/c you don't have a mandate doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to govern, but don't be surprised when you get blow back from people saying- that's not what I wanted to see happen. If you get out in front of the American people they will let you know- that's what is likely happening right now. I think.  Probably. But who the hell really knows, I think way more of this is emotional and visceral than any kind of logic or reasoning- and that's every vote, ever. 

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Of course it's emotional. This "govern from the middle, not the left!" shit doesn't even remotely make sense. The "too far left" policies that people are complaining about have approval ratings ranging from the mid sixties to like 95%. Terry fucking McAuliffe is as centrist Dem as they get.

"They need to move to the middle" is just what corporate media always says when Democrats lose a race, because corporate media wants that to be the lesson Dems learn, regardless of whether it's remotely descriptive of why they lost. We've seen this happen again and again and again for my entire lifetime, and smart people still haven't figured out that it's literally meaningless drivel.

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11 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

commie.

The problem I  (and I hope many- but who knows) have with communism is that it doesn't work, not that it's bad to try to look out for your fellow man and help them improve their plight, especially when you have room to spare some of your own wealth. 

This year we will give away $25,000+ in purely give away nature (that doesn't count shit like Burnt Endz or giving away Astros tickets to every playoff game that is fun/amusing- I'm talking about actual charitable shit). 

We get letters and pictures and stuff like that talking about how they used our gifts to buy goats and now their family has tools to support themselves economically, or put a tin roof on their house to keep the weather out, or water wells in villages, stuff like that which actually saves lives and improves people's living.  You know- stuff that moves the needle for people in a tangible and demonstrative way.  I don't know if that's possible for the government to work like that efficiently on a national level. I'd like to think it is but it might just be too much.  I would like to think that if we saw results like this from government programs people would be in favor of supporting them more- but I have no idea if that is actually how people would respond or not. I can be pretty cynical lots of times but I hold on to the idea that most people, if given the opportunity, would choose to do good more than harm- but you have to have basic needs fulfilled, and we've known that since Maslow rolled out his pyramid. 

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