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56 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Actually, I got that wrong. I mean Belarus, not Ukraine--but Russia was a malefactor with them as well. A little difficult, because foreign policy is a dance, but Russia looks the other way when it comes to violating human rights during election protests.

I'm honestly surprised that Belarus hasn't been annexed yet. After that Transnistria is next if they don't go before Belarus.

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42 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I loathe you because you’re a complete hypocrite. You don’t give a single flying fuck about any of the actions you currently perceive as objectionable from this administration. I know this because you never made a single objection when the previous administration took similar actions (X10) and you never said a word.

you aren’t a serious person. You’re a hack. And you’ll drink my neg.

I’ve said this before a million times here. I didn’t come here and post every time I disagreed with Trump because y’all had it covered and then some. 

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54 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I loathe you because you’re a complete hypocrite. You don’t give a single flying fuck about any of the actions you currently perceive as objectionable from this administration. I know this because you never made a single objection when the previous administration took similar actions (X10) and you never said a word.

you aren’t a serious person. You’re a hack. And you’ll drink my neg.

Well said. An idiot and a cocksucker is no way to go through life 

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2 hours ago, GRHorn said:

I guess maybe some people here have trouble dealing with the fact that the media is utilized by portions of the bureaucracy to disseminate the info that they please. Whether confirmed to be true or not. 

And that's fair. One side of the media is guilty of biases, selective escalation, and intentional omissions. The other side actively participates in knowingly spreading dangerous disinformation and lies, while propping up bullshit culture wars and socialism boogeymen to poison its audience.

Both are bad...which would you say is worse, and which would you say at least lands closer to the truth?

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5 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

And that's fair. One side of the media is guilty of biases, selective escalation, and intentional omissions. The other side actively participates in knowingly spreading dangerous disinformation and lies, while propping up bullshit culture wars and socialism boogeymen to poison its audience.

. . . and one side generally apologizes for mistakes, something which the other side doesn't do, and only distances itself from bullshit inflammatory dangerous rhetoric when multi-$B lawsuits are threatened.  "Oops, our bad, no actual evidence of voting machine manipulation.  So, in other news . . ."

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40 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

And that's fair. One side of the media is guilty of biases, selective escalation, and intentional omissions. The other side actively participates in knowingly spreading dangerous disinformation and lies, while propping up bullshit culture wars and socialism boogeymen to poison its audience.

Both are bad...which would you say is worse, and which would you say at least lands closer to the truth?

It’s a matter of perspective. One man’s selective escalation and intentional omission is another man’s knowingly spreading dangerous disinformation and lies. 
 

It’s a nice both sides issue. 

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16 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

It’s a matter of perspective. One man’s selective escalation and intentional omission is another man’s knowingly spreading dangerous disinformation and lies. 
 

It’s a nice both sides issue. 

You're so full of shit, I'm amazed that you can still function.

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

You're so full of shit, I'm amazed that you can still function.

You don’t think it’s spreading dangerous disinformation to widely publish that the President is disregarding Russian bounties on American lives before it’s actually confirmed? Probably not, because you like how it makes people feel. 

Here’s an interesting selective escalation. The mainstream media loves to play up our racial divide and issues. It must get good ratings. Look  at this survey. A small sample but if this is close to the results for our general population it’s amazing how misinformed they are. 
 

https://www.skeptic.com/research-center/reports/Research-Report-CUPES-007.pdf

Over 50% of those respondents who identified as “very liberal” believed that over 1,000 unarmed black men are killed every year. Only off by a factor of 40-50x. That includes a substantial amount that believes it’s 10,000 or more. 
 

Of those that identify as “liberal” 38% think it’s 1,000 unarmed black men killed. And again that includes people who think it’s 10,000 or above. 
 

Where do these people get their news? No wonder so many people want to burn things down. A significant number of them thinks the problem is 100x bigger than it is. That’s selective escalation is a form of disinformation that is indisputably dangerous. 

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17 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

And surely you can cite me a news source that has claimed thousands of unarmed black men are killed by police every year...

No. It’s the tone of coverage I’m talking about. They escalate coverage of events to the point that people think these things happen everyday. Far from the truth. 
 

In other news, defacto open borders policy has predictable results. 

 

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6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

No. It’s the tone of coverage I’m talking about. They escalate coverage of events to the point that people think these things happen everyday. Far from the truth. 
 

In other news, defacto open borders policy has predictable results. 

 

What’s your point even supposed to be here?

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No. It’s the tone of coverage I’m talking about. They escalate coverage of events to the point that people think these things happen everyday. Far from the truth. 

Police killing unarmed people almost always should be national news. That they seem to disproportionately kill one particular race even more so. So yeah, when a new incident arises twice a month, it's not exactly surprising that people think it happens all the damn time. It happens way more than it should, so the actual number doesn't interest most.

So what's your solution? "Today, police in Wisconsin killed an unarmed black man. But remember, this only happens like 25 times a year, so let's not make THAT big of a deal about it. Most people subjected to police brutality live anyway." Would that be an acceptable news story?

 

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38 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

No. It’s the tone of coverage I’m talking about. They escalate coverage of events to the point that people think these things happen everyday. Far from the truth. 
 

In other news, defacto open borders policy has predictable results. 

 

What's even "de facto open borders" about a policy that apprehends and detains unlawful immigrants?  Is it the part where the children aren't separated from their families for criminal prosecution?

Mainstream media presents things through filters.  Fox, Newsmax, and OAN propagate outright lies.

Shit. Shinola.  There's a difference.

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

What's even "de facto open borders" about a policy that apprehends and detains unlawful immigrants?  Is it the part where the children aren't separated from their families for criminal prosecution?

Mainstream media presents things through filters.  Fox, Newsmax, and OAN propagate outright lies.

Shit. Shinola.  There's a difference.

Fox News: OPEN BORDERS!!!!

Joe Biden last week: The border is closed. Do not come here. 

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4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

What's even "de facto open borders" about a policy that apprehends and detains unlawful immigrants?  Is it the part where the children aren't separated from their families for criminal prosecution?

Mainstream media presents things through filters.  Fox, Newsmax, and OAN propagate outright lies.

Shit. Shinola.  There's a difference.

any treatment more humane than what stephen miller has wet dreams about is open borders, libtard.

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57 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

No. It’s the tone of coverage I’m talking about. They escalate coverage of events to the point that people think these things happen everyday. Far from the truth. 
 

In other news, defacto open borders policy has predictable results.

Your rationale is preposterous. It can be used to justify believing in fringe bullshit so long as one can find any flaw, however minuscule, in mainstream news sources. In fact, I would guess that is exactly how you are using it.

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America is overdelivering.  Keep it up Americans. 

Want to piss off the Chinese and Russian commie bastards, get a vaccine. Vaccines are the key to America's security - economically and militarily. No wonder there is a stampede to get them. 

For the libertarians,

Spoiler

the vaccinated lines will be shorter, which leads to an increased efficiency and less need for nannies.

And it keeps the economic engine alive, so there's that.

I think the market takes care of the problem.

Once vaccines open to the young, vaccines will be more difficult to obtain. The rollout was a grace period for the more vulnerable to jump ahead in line. Once free market forces take over, demand will lead to shortages, which will create more demand. Not an iphone type demand, but a passport to where the fun is at and worth having. 

Are there libertarians who are anti-Covid vaccine? Based on what libertarian principle? 

Law and Economics - for what it's worth in that formulation - would argue in favor of vaccinations for efficient markets to eliminate the inefficient and negative externalities of neglect. 

tldr: get the vaccine when it is available to you. Don't wait (when it is your turn) or you may wait.

 

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Police killing unarmed people almost always should be national news. That they seem to disproportionately kill one particular race even more so. So yeah, when a new incident arises twice a month, it's not exactly surprising that people think it happens all the damn time. It happens way more than it should, so the actual number doesn't interest most.

So what's your solution? "Today, police in Wisconsin killed an unarmed black man. But remember, this only happens like 25 times a year, so let's not make THAT big of a deal about it. Most people subjected to police brutality live anyway." Would that be an acceptable news story?

Let us not lose sight of the fact that any proposed impediment to unbridled lawful purchase of semiautomatic weapons and unlimited capacity/ammo is ALWAYS defended with the "but the actual numbers are so LOW that you would unfairly penalize the vast majority of law-abiding gun owners!!!".

I don't have the energy to look it up but I fucking damn well guarantee that more than 25 innocent people are murdered in mass shootings every year.  Hell, we didn't make it through the week without 8 innocent (mostly brown) people getting gunned down in a shooting spree that basically amounted to sport.

What we can conclude from this is the fact that conservatives are blood-thirsty animals who give zero fucks about anyone who isn't aligned and white.  Innocent victims of pussy incels?  Too bad!  Cops killing unarmed black guys?  Too bad!  (Note for the record the sly argumentative tactic of deferring to cop SHOOTINGS of unarmed black guys, ignoring all of those they kill by other means.)

Fuck Republicans, fuck conservatives, fuck MAGAts, fuck Q, fuck Trump supporters, fuck Turtle, Rand, Kevin, Gym . . . the list goes on.  Fuck 'em all.

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Your rationale is preposterous. It can be used to justify believing in fringe bullshit so long as one can find any flaw, however minuscule, in mainstream news sources. In fact, I would guess that is exactly how you are using it.

The guy who cited the most watched cable news network in America as being somehow outside the mainstream media is full of shit?!?!
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1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

No. It’s the tone of coverage I’m talking about. They escalate coverage of events to the point that people think these things happen everyday. Far from the truth. 
 

In other news, defacto open borders policy has predictable results. 

 

I don’t think I like your “tone” here.

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No shortage of people offering apologies and excuses for the, admittedly I agree, nothing-burger of a fall. People are giving benefit of the doubt and also, like me, we’re feeling bad for the guy and hoping he wasn’t seriously hurt.

That is the benefit of not being massively hated. He gets the 50/50 calls to go his way. Trump always got the ridicule and hate because he was hated. Soft skills are important for things like this.

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I'm 57 years old.  I trip on my front stairs probably once a month, but I'm perpetually beer buzzed, so maybe that's not a great example, but whatever.

I remain perplexed by what people expect of a 78 year old man, who RAN AGAINST A 73 YEAR OLD MAN WHO WAS DEMONSTRABLY AND VERIFIABLY MORE MENTALLY COMPROMISED THAN HE.

I mean, "person, camera, man, chihuahua, mango" or whatever.  Do you know why they had you take that test, Don?

Mostly I just hope Commiela can take over ASAP and we can get on with the Communism.

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16 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

I'm honestly surprised that Belarus hasn't been annexed yet. After that Transnistria is next if they don't go before Belarus.

Belarus is a tougher nut to crack. There’s a much different demographic makeup in Belarus and very little political or social agitation along ethnic lines. Belarusian identity itself does not lend itself to ethnic division, with the vast majority of Belarusians speaking Russian at home even if Belarusian is their mother tongue. There is no administrative region where Russians constitute even a plurality, unlike Ukraine or Transnistria. Very few Belarusians are interested in reunion with Russia or look to Moscow to come in and arbitrate some local quarrel in their favor. 
 

Lukashenko commands significantly more state capacity, in particular the security sphere than the Ukrainian central government did during the Maidan and then invasion of Crimea.  He’s a prickly, wary political operator who was walking a delicate tightrope and leaning a bit towards the West right up until the recent unrest broke out. But he is still an old school Soviet thinker who is fully capable of fighting one enemy openly while preparing to real one later. 
 

Geographically, Belarus is a salient that projects into hostile (NATO/Ukraine) territory. Russia does not have a permanent military base from which to launch operations, unlike Crimea. Putin already has a land-based “aircraft carrier” in Kaliningrad from which he can menace NATO and the Baltics without dedicating anywhere near the resources Belarus would require for defense.

Long term, they are far more likely to turn screws and offer sugar cubes to cajole Lukashenko into favorable concessions and deeper integration than they are to take on an ill advised military adventure that would end up benefiting them less and costing them more. 

 

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4 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Long term, they are far more likely to turn screws and offer sugar cubes to cajole Lukashenko into favorable concessions and deeper integration than they are to take on an ill advised military adventure that would end up benefiting them less and costing them more. 

 

This, autocrats hang together in a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I hate to admit it, but until yesterday I had never heard of Transnistria.  Is it a real country or one of those fake countries like Scotland that leaches off a real country?

AFAIK it isn't recognized as a sovereign state but @956 Worldwide probably has more knowledge regarding the topic. It's a break-off section of Moldava located between Moldava (which is adjacent to Romania) and Ukraine. Russia helped. Just speculating, but Putin supporting and having support (from the separatists) gives him a base, so to speak, from which he can disperse others to handle things. A layer of capos between the action and the order to commit said action. Keeps your hands clean and whatnot.

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I hate to admit it, but until yesterday I had never heard of Transnistria.  Is it a real country or one of those fake countries like Scotland that leaches off a real country?

Basically, it's a strip of land in Moldova on the Ukrainian border that is essentially lawless. What law they do have is enforced by Russian-loyalists and the region is one of the major hubs of all things illicit in Europe. Russian troops that were there during the Soviet days just never left and I doubt anything will change anytime soon on that front.  

Guns, human trafficking, drugs, knock-off Adidas track suits...you name it, they are all run through Transnistria, and coincidentally, transactions of such a nature will also be brokered by men in knock-off Adidas track suits. Its a real gem of Europe. 

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

AFAIK it isn't recognized as a sovereign state but @956 Worldwide probably has more knowledge regarding the topic. It's a break-off section of Moldava located between Moldava (which is adjacent to Romania) and Ukraine. Russia helped. Just speculating, but Putin supporting and having support (from the separatists) gives him a base, so to speak, from which he can disperse others to handle things. A layer of capos between the action and the order to commit said action. Keeps your hands clean and whatnot.

Pretty much this. It’s one of a handful of unrecognized (or recognized only by Russia or other sponsoring state) breakaway “frozen conflict” regions across the former Soviet Union along with South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, and now the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republic. In Bosnia, you see a similar model with the Srbska Republic. Transdnistria is a strip of land in Moldova, mostly Russian speaking, that is kind of a cross between late-stage USSR with gangster anarchy-capitalism in terms of daily life. They make their own passports and stuff, which are worthless except to enter Russia. One way that Russia likes to express dissatisfaction with the recognized national governments in these places is to issue real RF passports to the inhabitants. 

Russia uses the frozen conflict model as a way to retain influence and turn the level of tension up or down like a radio dial. The unrecognized governments are wholly dependent on Russian largess and the unspoken threat of Russian military intervention . The puppets and various armed forces/insurgent groups are a club to wield against any liberalizing or Westernizing reformer. Unlike Crimea, none of these lawless, impoverished backwaters are worth actually incorporating into the Russian Federation. They are useful as a means of making what was the Russian Empire indigestible for the West. Their status has to remain perpetually unresolved to be worth anything to Moscow.

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I hate to admit it, but until yesterday I had never heard of Transnistria.  Is it a real country or one of those fake countries like Scotland that leaches off a real country?

Often overlooked in favor of its more popular neighboring country, Cisnistria.
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