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Reading the last couple pages of this thread, I can't help but jump in here.  I'm a molecular biologist.  I'm happy to verify with the mods, just PM me so I don't dox myself.  I have not read most of

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This was posted by an ER doc from a local hospital: I have been mostly silent on the COVID surge but I feel it’s a duty and responsibility for healthcare professionals to report what we are seeing an

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You're a fascist who wishes death and suffering upon people.  You're why genocide has happened throughout history.  I've seen your vile posts before.  You need help.  Seriously, I'll swallow my pride

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In Austin: Employee is vaxxed. 2nd Pfizer shot was about 2 months ago. Caught COVID over the weekend from unvaxxed daughter and feels like shit. Lost sense of smell and taste. 101 fever, body aches and chills. It’s not looking good out there. 

pics of daughter?

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In Austin: Employee is vaxxed. 2nd Pfizer shot was about 2 months ago. Caught COVID over the weekend from unvaxxed daughter and feels like shit. Lost sense of smell and taste. 101 fever, body aches and chills. It’s not looking good out there. 

Delta? SWA?

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In Austin: Employee is vaxxed. 2nd Pfizer shot was about 2 months ago. Caught COVID over the weekend from unvaxxed daughter and feels like shit. Lost sense of smell and taste. 101 fever, body aches and chills. It’s not looking good out there. 

How old is the daughter? Asking for covid reasons not typical surly reasons....

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Look, a lot of top Americans figure they'll either take Omega Pfizer, or they won't take the shot at all.  Let the unacceptable unvaxxed speak for themselves...and there you are...Kent!  Have you met Marjorie, Jugdish, Sydney, and Clayton?  Super, then you'll have lots of conspiracy theories to talk about...huh?  Yeah! 

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Curious if any of you who had covid and lost your sense of smell/taste have recovered it.  My best friend had covid back in late February.  Lost most smell/taste.  He recovered, then got vaxed in April.  He still doesn't have a normal sense smell and taste.

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https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=262134

News Picture: New Data Details Dangers of Delta Variant, Even for the VaccinatedBy Ernie Mundell and Robin Foster HealthDay Reporters

FRIDAY, July 30, 2021

A new internal government document claims the Delta variant appears to cause more severe illness than earlier coronavirus variants and spreads as easily as chickenpox.

In laying out the evidence that this variant looks like the most dangerous one yet, the document urges health officials to "acknowledge the war has changed," the Washington Post reported.

Shared with officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the document reveals that the agency knows it must revamp its public messaging to emphasize vaccination as the best defense against a variant so contagious that it acts almost like a different novel virus, spreading faster than Ebola or the common cold, the Post reported.

It cites a combination of recently obtained, unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with the Delta variant may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with Delta have viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant, the Post reported.

"I finished reading it significantly more concerned than when I began," Robert Wachter, chairman of the department of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, told the Post.

CDC scientists were so alarmed that the agency changed masking guidance for vaccinated people earlier this week, even before making the new data public, the newspaper said.

The data cited in the document prompted revamped recommendations that call for the fully vaccinated to wear masks indoors in public settings in certain circumstances, a federal health official told the Post, adding that the full data will be published on Friday.

Some of the data suggests there is a higher risk among older people for hospitalization and death, regardless of vaccination status. Other evidence estimates there are 35,000 symptomatic infections per week among 162 million vaccinated Americans, the Post reported.

"Although it's rare, we believe that at an individual level, vaccinated people may spread the virus, which is why we updated our recommendation," the federal health official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the Post. "Waiting even days to publish the data could result in needless suffering and, as public health professionals, we cannot accept that."

The document also includes CDC data showing that the vaccines are not as effective in immunocompromised patients and nursing home residents, raising the possibility that the vulnerable will need a booster dose.

Walter Orenstein, associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center in Atlanta, said he was struck by data showing that vaccinated people who became infected with Delta shed just as much virus as those who were not vaccinated.

"I think this is very important in changing things," Orenstein said.

A person working with the CDC on the Delta variant, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said genetic data that came from a July 4 outbreak in Provincetown, Mass., showed vaccinated people were transmitting the virus to other vaccinated people. The person said the data was "deeply disconcerting" and a "canary in the coal mine" for scientists.

"I think the central issue is that vaccinated people are probably involved to a substantial extent in the transmission of Delta," Jeffrey Shaman, a Columbia University epidemiologist, told the Post. "In some sense, vaccination is now about personal protection — protecting oneself against severe disease. Herd immunity is not relevant as we are seeing plenty of evidence of repeat and breakthrough infections."

The document confirms that it is time to change how people think about the pandemic, experts said.

"We really need to shift toward a goal of preventing serious disease and disability and medical consequences, and not worry about every virus detected in somebody's nose," Kathleen Neuzil, a vaccine expert at the University of Maryland School of Medicine, told the Post. "It's hard to do, but I think we have to become comfortable with coronavirus not going away."

Biden announces 'vaccine or testing' mandate for federal employees

President Joe Biden announced Thursday that all civilian federal employees will have to be vaccinated or submit to regular testing, masking and travel restrictions.

"This is an American tragedy," Biden said in a speech from the White House. "People are dying, and will die, who don't have to die."

The move mirrors an announcement on Wednesday from New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who said that tens of thousands of state employees would be required to show proof of vaccination or submit to weekly testing, The New York Times reported. Cuomo also said that "patient-facing" health care workers at state hospitals must be vaccinated to stay employed. Two days earlier, New York City announced that all 300,000 municipal employees must be vaccinated or submit to weekly testing.

Biden's plan will only force employees to get a shot or lose their job if they work with patients at hospitals run by the Veterans Affairs department. But public health officials hope the prospect of extra burdens for the unvaccinated will help convince more people to get immunized, the Times reported.

Hours after Biden's announcement, the Pentagon said that it would require military personnel to attest to their vaccination status or face frequent testing and other restrictions, the Times reported.

In his speech, Biden had called upon the Department of Defense to move rapidly toward requiring coronavirus vaccines for all members of the military, a step that would affect almost 1.5 million troops. Many of those troops have resisted vaccination.

But Biden stopped short of saying he would issue a waiver to compel service members to get vaccines not yet fully approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

The lack of full approval hasn't stopped mayors, chief executives, hospital administrators and college presidents around the country from requiring vaccinations. In California, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday that the state's 246,000 employees would have to be vaccinated by Aug. 2 or would be tested at least once a week.

With the high contagious Delta variant threatening a surge of cases in the fall, Biden must walk a tightrope when setting national vaccine policies.

"You want to be careful," Dr. Marcus Plescia, chief medical officer of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, told the Times. "You don't want to put wind in the sails of the anti-vax movement."

But Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, told the Times that Biden should mandate vaccines to the degree that he can, among federal employees and the military.

"Sure, it will cause a backlash -- so what?" Offit said. "It isn't a personal choice. It's a choice for others. It's not an American's right to potentially catch and spread a fatal infection."

In the last six months, nearly half of the country -- 163.3 million people -- has been vaccinated, including 80 percent of those 65 and older, data from the U.S Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows. But tens of millions of people remain unprotected against what CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky has described as one of the most contagious respiratory diseases known to scientists.

Experts say a refusal to get vaccinated puts others at risk — especially those who cannot get shots for medical reasons, or whose immune systems are too weak to respond to the vaccine.

"The ongoing transmission of this virus is in fact largely due to the unvaccinated," Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told the Times.

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^^^ Anyone remember Chicken Pox parties?  I didn't go to one, I got it on the regular in 3rd grade.  But many kids in our school attended those to get it over with during a convenient time of year.  

Can we get anti-vaxxer/delta-deniers together for parties?  Let them know it's hosted bar, they can get together with other like-minded folks and have a great time in close quarters with no masks and an improperly vented events space.  Or wait, could that lead to unnecessary death?  

I can't fucking believe how close we were to being done with this virus for all practical purposes.  Like Ray Liotta says about Morrie when they were gonna whack him and decided not to at the last second, "Even if I told the sonofabitch how close, he'd never believe me."  And now, out there in Central Texas somewhere is the person patting themselves on the back for sticking to their freedom principles and avoiding the vaccine, and they're going to pass it to one of my children.  So until that person dies, I'm going to work to make sure we ostracize the empowered unvaxxed as much as possible.  Recognize them as a part of our species, by apart from our race.  Fuck you, whoever you are.  I hope your body drowns itself from the inside-out.  And I hope you tweeted something like, "This is bullshit, the vaccine is a mark of the beast" so I can show up and shit on your gravesite.  

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Buddy of mine is another breakthrough with J&J, recovered in five days.  Got back from Vegas a week ago Sunday, started feeling crummy that Thursday, tested this Tuesday and came back + via PCR last night.  Low fever, runny nose, lots of sleep and ‘just didn’t feel like a normal sinus problem’.  
 

Cringe at what it could have been without antibodies for him…pretty overweight, late 40’s, 30 year smoker, works 12 hour days and is sedentary.  
 

Im thinking I’ll buy some take home tests for myself since I traveled with him…but it’s been 11 days since we got back and I’ve shown zero issues.  Moderna for me, 2nd jab in May.  

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It cites a combination of recently obtained, unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with the Delta variant may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with Delta have viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant, the Post reported.

MAY BE ABLE to transmit.  Viral loads are similar but they drop off significantly in the vaccinated.  Also loads do not equate to transmission.  Apparently there is a new study out of Singapore that counters the claim that vaccinated are as transmissible.    Again there is ZERO evidence that vaccinated can transmit that I have read or that the CDC has published that refutes that.  It appears that the CDC used a pretty weak string in issuing their guidance.   We may eventually find out that they are correct.

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MAY BE ABLE to transmit.  Viral loads are similar but they drop off significantly in the vaccinated.  Also loads do not equate to transmission.  Apparently there is a new study out of Singapore that counters the claim that vaccinated are as transmissible.    Again there is ZERO evidence that vaccinated can transmit that I have read or that the CDC has published that refutes that.  

A big problem is the lack of transparency of CDC. Instead data is partially leaked like what a poster linked above. Just release what we know. 

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your doctor is not going to recommend a third shot at this time

recommending = liability

not recommending = no liability for covid, long haul or death

but doctors (with no P-P relationship) and scientists and public health authorities for countries are, and that's good enough for me

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MAY BE ABLE to transmit.  Viral loads are similar but they drop off significantly in the vaccinated.  Also loads do not equate to transmission.  Apparently there is a new study out of Singapore that counters the claim that vaccinated are as transmissible.    Again there is ZERO evidence that vaccinated can transmit that I have read or that the CDC has published that refutes that.  

(Someone with medical credentials tell me if I'm wrong here)

If you're actively infected with COVID, you can transmit the virus. It's all a matter of just exhaling and releasing droplets that contain lung secretions that will contain the active infection of COVID. 

The vaccine doesn't make your body immune and bulletproof against COVID, it simply trains your immune system on how to effectively fight it. 

It completely makes sense that vaccinated people can spread COVID, considering breakthrough infections are becoming relatively common. 

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^^^ Anyone remember Chicken Pox parties?  I didn't go to one, I got it on the regular in 3rd grade.  But many kids in our school attended those to get it over with during a convenient time of year.  

Can we get anti-vaxxer/delta-deniers together for parties?  Let them know it's hosted bar, they can get together with other like-minded folks and have a great time in close quarters with no masks and an improperly vented events space.  Or wait, could that lead to unnecessary death?  

I can't fucking believe how close we were to being done with this virus for all practical purposes.  Like Ray Liotta says about Morrie when they were gonna whack him and decided not to at the last second, "Even if I told the sonofabitch how close, he'd never believe me."  And now, out there in Central Texas somewhere is the person patting themselves on the back for sticking to their freedom principles and avoiding the vaccine, and they're going to pass it to one of my children.  So until that person dies, I'm going to work to make sure we ostracize the empowered unvaxxed as much as possible.  Recognize them as a part of our species, by apart from our race.  Fuck you, whoever you are.  I hope your body drowns itself from the inside-out.  And I hope you tweeted something like, "This is bullshit, the vaccine is a mark of the beast" so I can show up and shit on your gravesite.  

I’m sure Cook-Walden and Weed- Corley would be delighted to sponsor & host such get togethers.

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MAY BE ABLE to transmit.  Viral loads are similar but they drop off significantly in the vaccinated.  Also loads do not equate to transmission.  Apparently there is a new study out of Singapore that counters the claim that vaccinated are as transmissible.    Again there is ZERO evidence that vaccinated can transmit that I have read or that the CDC has published that refutes that.  It appears that the CDC used a pretty weak string in issuing their guidance.   We may eventually find out that they are correct.

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really?

Let me reword that.  I missed adding at the same rate which is what the CDC used to change their guidance.  The CDC seem to say that vaccinated can transmit at the same rate as unvaccinated.  That is not know to be true or false.   

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Curious if any of you who had covid and lost your sense of smell/taste have recovered it.  My best friend had covid back in late February.  Lost most smell/taste.  He recovered, then got vaxed in April.  He still doesn't have a normal sense smell and taste.

I got COVID immediately after getting my first Moderna shot. I got symptoms on Sunday, and could taste and smell again by Friday

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Let me reword that.  I missed adding at the same rate which is what the CDC used to change their guidance.  The CDC seem to say that vaccinated can transmit at the same rate as unvaccinated.  That is not know to be true or false.   

Ultimately, it boils down to if you're actively infected with COVID or not. If you're vaccinated, you're less likely to become infected and by connection, less likely to be contagious. 

Logically, it makes sense considering that COVID is a virus and not a bacteria. If a virus exists, it's infectious by it's nature and structure. 

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(Someone with medical credentials tell me if I'm wrong here)

If you're actively infected with COVID, you can transmit the virus. It's all a matter of just exhaling and releasing droplets that contain lung secretions that will contain the active infection of COVID. 

The vaccine doesn't make your body immune and bulletproof against COVID, it simply trains your immune system on how to effectively fight it. 

It completely makes sense that vaccinated people can spread COVID, considering breakthrough infections are becoming relatively common. 

1.  You CAN transmit if infected…

CAVEAT:  if you’re vaccinated you’re MUCH less likely to get infected in the first place (so obvs can’t transmit if not infected). Also, if you are vaccinated and get a symptomatic breakthrough infection (rare, despite what you read), you’re going to be LESS likely to transmit than an unvaccinated person due to your body fighting it off quicker.  
 

2.   The vaccine indeed doesn’t make you bulletproof.  If you encounter enough virus it may be enough to overtake the antibodies you’ve got, but that doesn’t seem to be the majority of the time.  
 

There were always going to be breakthroughs.  It doesn’t mean the vaccines don’t work.  

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My best friend had covid back in late February.  Lost most smell/taste.  He recovered, then got vaxed in April.  He still doesn't have a normal sense smell and taste.

Your best friend is Uncle Boobs?

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I came away from that encouraged overall and at the same time discouraged about how far we have to go.

I watched another video of his the other day where he concurred with the notion I've seen espoused here, that is Delta very well could burn hot and fast and then fall off a cliff.

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Can we get anti-vaxxer/delta-deniers together for parties?  Let them know it's hosted bar, they can get together with other like-minded folks and have a great time in close quarters with no masks and an improperly vented events space.  Or wait, could that lead to unnecessary death?  

It's called Florida.

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I watched another video of his the other day where he concurred with the notion I've seen espoused here, that is Delta very well could burn hot and fast and then fall off a cliff.

I thought highlighted that case earlier but her it is again.

 

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"To get away from Covid, I asked the kids...Kids, if you could go anywhere else to get away from Covid, where would you go?  Remember what you said, Rusty?"

"Hawaii, Dad?"

"Shut up, Russ.  Audrey?"  

to bring it back to the vaccine.  As I understand it, Cousin Eddie has announced via social media he'll be dropping some major information bombs regarding the Covid vaccine.  Obviously, I'm going to listen because I love the whole franchise but I just wonder if some of you silent, lurking types on these vaccine threads ever stop to think about the fact that one side has Randy Quaid and Scott Baio and the other side has most literate adults and every single living Nobel Laureate in the sciences?  Or wait, was dynamite invented as a long-game con to invent the award to give legitimacy to this false vaccination when the real NOBLE WINNER was in front of us the whole time? 

We're worried about what the curriculum is gonna look like for our kids this fall, what is the in-person/remote learning situation, what's the masking/non-mask policy of my child's school?  The real problem is 35% of the parents are functionally retarded.  

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"To get away from Covid, I asked the kids...Kids, if you could go anywhere else to get away from Covid, where would you go?  Remember what you said, Rusty?"

"Hawaii, Dad?"

"Shut up, Russ.  Audrey?"  

to bring it back to the vaccine.  As I understand it, Cousin Eddie has announced via social media he'll be dropping some major information bombs regarding the Covid vaccine.  Obviously, I'm going to listen because I love the whole franchise but I just wonder if some of you silent, lurking types on these vaccine threads ever stop to think about the fact that one side has Randy Quaid and Scott Baio and the other side has most literate adults and every single living Nobel Laureate in the sciences?  Or wait, was dynamite invented as a long-game con to invent the award to give legitimacy to this false vaccination when the real NOBLE WINNER was in front of us the whole time? 

We're worried about what the curriculum is gonna look like for our kids this fall, what is the in-person/remote learning situation, what's the masking/non-mask policy of my child's school?  The real problem is 35% of the parents are functionally retarded.  

That sounds like dad-gum socialism to me.

/I kid, I swear, I kid.  I may live in east Texas, but I'm from Houston, was schooled in Austin.

//if you want to come ridicule the unvaccinated, I can spot them fuckers around here.  I'm like Rowdy Roddy Piper in They Live.

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I thought highlighted that case earlier but her it is again.

 

That’s interesting, that’s fucking interesting man…given that, per a Reddit chart, Austin admits are already almost at late January levels.  Sure hope it’s not another 25+ days. 

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Wait, 3-4 more weeks of this shit until it goes back down?  Oh, I'm quite sure school/activities/sports starting back up and end of summer/Labor Day travel shouldn't exacerbate that at all.  
 

I think we should go full "Fail Safe" with this shit and just fucking all voluntarily inhale the fucking virus directly.  Cut out the bullshit and just speed it up.  If you avoid the idiotic rationale around what we're currently doing, my idea is actually less insane from a logic viewpoint.  Our current plan is actually more stupider.  

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Wait, 3-4 more weeks of this shit until it goes back down?  Oh, I'm quite sure school/activities/sports starting back up and end of summer/Labor Day travel shouldn't exacerbate that at all.  
 

I think we should go full "Fail Safe" with this shit and just fucking all voluntarily inhale the fucking virus directly.  Cut out the bullshit and just speed it up.  If you avoid the idiotic rationale around what we're currently doing, my idea is actually less insane from a logic viewpoint.  Our current plan is actually more stupider.  

There’s a current plan?

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