COVID-19 vaccine discussion

[hayden_horn 11,362]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I requested the moderna booster (full strength, not the pussy ass half strength shit they are about to roll out) in my right gluteus but couldn't get any takers. So I just stuck my arm out the window.  

in march, i drove all the way to san antonio. bougiest heb i ever seen in nw san antonio. but that's where i got my jabs

[MoJames 8,244]

38 minutes ago, maninblack said:

I think it means there are a lot of adverse effects from these vaccines that don't talked about or reported

The problem with the database is primarily it cannot fractionate out which vaccine causes which side effects. There are tons of vaccines that did not make it past Phase I, II, etc. As well, reading through the disclaimers you must agree to before even searching suggest this data dump in not verified and likely is coming directly from patients. Past that the vast majority of the reported side effects are benign. Cough, Nausea, Vertigo, etc.

I've been a part of a massive role out of both Moderna and Pfizer. The vast majority of patient's deal with some arm pain and maybe 24-48 hours of fever/malaise. Past that we haven't needed to use Benadryl once for any concerns of an allergic reaction.

Anyone at this point suggesting the mRNA vaccines are either ineffective or has unknown side effects is trying to find an excuse to hold onto to not get them. I wish the vast majority of those looking for other avenues (Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Beet Powder, etc) would simply just say they don't wish to be vaccinated for whatever reason and stop trying to explain their reasoning.

I'm tired of people coming to me after all of my training and experience and letting me know how they are more informed and better educated on how to approach the Pandemic. You are not and you are simply not willing to be vaccinated. I hope it doesn't cost you your health/life.

Edited October 12, 2021 by MoJames

[Brisketexan 105,160]

3 minutes ago, MoJames said:

The problem with the database is primarily it cannot fractionate out which vaccine causes which side effects. There are tons of vaccines that did not make it past Phase I, II, etc. As well, reading through the disclaimers you must agree to before even searching suggest this data dump in not verified and likely is coming directly from patients. Past that the vast majority of the reported side effects are benign. Cough, Nausea, Vertigo, etc.

I've been a part of a massive role out of both Moderna and Pfizer. The vast majority of patient's deal with some arm pain and maybe 24-48 hours of fever/malaise. Past that we haven't needed to use Benadryl once for any concerns of an allergic reaction.

Anyone at this point suggesting the mRNA vaccines are either ineffective or has unknown side effects is trying to find an excuse to hold onto to not get them. I wish the vast majority of those looking for other avenues (Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Beet Powder, etc) would simply just say they don't wish to be vaccinated for whatever reason and stop trying to explain their reasoning.

I'm tired of people coming to me after all of my training and experience and letting me know how they are more informed and better educated on how to approach the Pandemic. You are not and you are simply not willing to be vaccinated. I hope it doesn't cost you your health/life.

I wish I could rep this 100 times.

[Bevo 13,579]

18 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I requested the moderna booster (full strength, not the pussy ass half strength shit they are about to roll out) in my right gluteus but couldn't get any takers. So I just stuck my arm out the window.  

Does the pussy ass half strength shit limit side-effects? I am planning a trip in December and will probably get the booster in late Nov. The second dose kicked my ass. I worked and it was a pretty sucky day.

[Bevo 13,579]

7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I wish I could rep this 100 times.

I think I should get rep by arguing intent with an attorney

[Brisketexan 105,160]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

I think I should get rep by arguing intent with an attorney

Rep.  Neg rep for wasting your time.  Potato Potahto.

[conVINCEd 21,469]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

Does the pussy ass half strength shit limit side-effects? I am planning a trip in December and will probably get the booster in late Nov. The second dose kicked my ass. I worked and it was a pretty sucky day.

I went full strength on my 3rd and the side effects were about the same as the first two, which for me were pretty mild.

[SizzleChest 8,284]

54 minutes ago, maninblack said:

 

I don't understand what y'all are upset about in a Covid 19 discussion. I didn't collect it. The World Health Organization did. I asked if it has been posted. If you don't like it and want to dismiss it I don't care. It's out there though.

We see you, Tonto.  You’re willfully spreading misinformation disguised as “collecting data points to add to the discussion”, but all of your “data” is from other misinformation sources.

As far as the WHO data and Ireland shit, you are spreading misuse of information or flat out ignoring the most key information.  Willfully.  

You’re not that cute.  And you can take your thumb out of our ass on this thread any time now, Carmine.

[Anastasis 23,477]

10 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Does the pussy ass half strength shit limit side-effects? I am planning a trip in December and will probably get the booster in late Nov. The second dose kicked my ass. I worked and it was a pretty sucky day.

I haven't reviewed all the data, but the moderna filing is here: https://www.fda.gov/media/152953/download

I am inclined to go big and take off a day from work.  But I am heavily inclined to take a day off from work for any reason. 

 

[Bevo 13,579]

Just now, Anastasis said:

I haven't reviewed all the data, but the moderna filing is here: https://www.fda.gov/media/152953/download

I am inclined to go big and take off a day from work.  But I am heavily inclined to take a day off from work for any reason. 

 

Sometimes I wish I wasn't self-employed. But then I realize the only person I really have to answer to is the wife.

[Bevo 13,579]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

I haven't reviewed all the data, but the moderna filing is here: https://www.fda.gov/media/152953/download

I am inclined to go big and take off a day from work.  But I am heavily inclined to take a day off from work for any reason. 

 

Thanks.

Summary
• No new safety signals emerged upon administration of the booster dose in
Study P201 Part B, and the safety profile of mRNA-1273 booster was similar to
that observed following the second dose of the primary series (in Study P301
Part A).
• Most solicited local ARs were grade 1 to grade 2 in severity; no grade 4
solicited local or systemic ARs were reported in either prime series group.
• Unsolicited TEAEs were infrequent and mild to moderate in severity, and no
SAEs or AEs lead to study discontinuation up to Day 29 in P201 Part B.
• No cases of myocarditis, pericarditis, or relevant AEs suggestive of any of
these conditions were observed up to Day 29 in P201 Part B.
• In the post-authorization period, a total of 301,035,380 doses have been
distributed worldwide, and the data show that mRNA-1273 has an acceptable
safety profile.

 

The frequency of systemic ARs in Study P201 Part B following the 50 μg booster dose
was numerically similar to that observed following the second injection of the primary
series in Study P201 Part A and in P301 (Table 22; Table 23). The most common
systemic ARs after the 50 μg booster dose in P201 Part B were fatigue, headache,
arthralgia, and myalgia, which occurred at a similar rate between the P201 Part B 50
and 100 μg prime series groups. Because these 2 groups were comparable, the
combined safety data are presented below (Table 23). No difference in incidence of the
solicited AR of rash (3.7% in the 50 μg vs 1.8% in the 100 μg groups) was observed
after the booster dose between the 50 μg and 100 μg prime series. Most solicited
systemic AR in P201 Part B were grade 1 to grade 2 in severity. Systemic ARs were
transient, and most resolved by Day 4. The frequency and severity of solicited systemic
ARs was numerically comparable between age cohorts (18 to < 55; ≥ 55 years of age).
Fatigue, myalgia, headache, and arthralgia were the most commonly reported grade 3
systemic ARs (Table 23). No grade 4 solicited systemic ARs were reported in P201.

 

 

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

This sounds like nonsense, but would love to see the rationale. 

I think you’d have to look up the guy’s ass, because that’s where he pulled it from. 

[kevwun 15,805]

I'll take South Austin's mom's word for it.

[smoky 840]

1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

I think you’d have to look up the guy’s ass, because that’s where he pulled it from. 

We showed up to my 10 year olds well check last year and they said he needed to get his second MMR vaccine again.  Our kids get a flu shot or flu mist every year and apparently when he got his second MMR shot at age 4-ish, the flu mist he got a few weeks prior had "invalidated" the second MMR shot.

They only recently caught it because they had changed over to online medical records and it got flagged in the system

Your MIL's cardiologist might be wrong, but I had a somewhat similar situation that I also thought was stupid at the time, but there might be some validity to it.

Edited October 13, 2021 by smoky

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

An article on what we know about mixing and matching vaccine types.  Not a ton of actual things we know in it, though:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/12/a-primer-on-what-we-know-about-mixing-and-matching-covid-vaccines/

[Anastasis 23,477]

44 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

An article on what we know about mixing and matching vaccine types.  Not a ton of actual things we know in it, though:

https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/12/a-primer-on-what-we-know-about-mixing-and-matching-covid-vaccines/

NIH study on mix-match boosters after primary series, just released as preprint.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.10.21264827v1.full.pdf

Thread break down.

 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Anastasis

[Anastasis 23,477]

TLDR, full strength Moderna ftw. 

[conVINCEd 21,469]

The Moderna folks need to get some kind of bonus for kicking so much ass.

[ZB'Tejas 593]

6 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

The Moderna folks need to get some kind of bonus for kicking so much ass.

Have you seen their stock price?

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

29 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

TLDR, full strength Moderna ftw. 

So if I'm Pfizer 2x, is there any way to get a full dose moderna booster other than to pretend no vax?  If I do that, I'm a bit worried that a 3rd dose will become "mandatory" in some sense at one year (Jan for me) and I won't have gotten it or I will need to get effectively a 4th dose to comply

[Baboontyme 2,814]

1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

So if I'm Pfizer 2x, is there any way to get a full dose moderna booster other than to pretend no vax?  If I do that, I'm a bit worried that a 3rd dose will become "mandatory" in some sense at one year (Jan for me) and I won't have gotten it or I will need to get effectively a 4th dose to comply

Yeah you would have to pretend it was your first or your second. I have no idea how they would make it mandatory for you to get another one. 

Technically, when people are posting that they got their moderna "booster", they didn't. The moderna booster will be a different shot with half the dosage, as some have mentioned above. There are no boosters available yet for Moderna. 

PS I will be curious what they tell us in the trial about the booster now that the FDA is saying not needed. They've been telling us it was coming "soon".

[Bevo 13,579]

42 minutes ago, Baboontyme said:

Yeah you would have to pretend it was your first or your second. I have no idea how they would make it mandatory for you to get another one. 

Technically, when people are posting that they got their moderna "booster", they didn't. The moderna booster will be a different shot with half the dosage, as some have mentioned above. There are no boosters available yet for Moderna. 

PS I will be curious what they tell us in the trial about the booster now that the FDA is saying not needed. They've been telling us it was coming "soon".

Ana posted the FDA application. The data looks very good. It works and the side effects appear minimal. There is a paper cited in the application (I think Gilbert et al) which might give insight into the relationship between antibody levels and immune response. I haven't searched for the paper, yet. I've been too busy with real work.

[Redneck Mutha 8,006]

4 hours ago, Anastasis said:

NIH study on mix-match boosters after primary series, just released as preprint.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.10.21264827v1.full.pdf

Thread break down.

 

Thanks for posting.  I mentioned upthread that I got J&J back in early Mar, Texas CARES results in early Sep showed antibodies of only 40.  Talked to my doc, he advised starting over from scratch with Moderna.  Got my first Moderna, with some ass-kicking side effects, in mid-Sep.  Second Moderna scheduled next week.

The results from that study make me feel much better about my situation. 

[conVINCEd 21,469]

2 minutes ago, Redneck Mutha said:

Thanks for posting.  I mentioned upthread that I got J&J back in early Mar, Texas CARES results in early Sep showed antibodies of only 40.  Talked to my doc, he advised starting over from scratch with Moderna.  Got my first Moderna, with some ass-kicking side effects, in mid-Sep.  Second Moderna scheduled next week.

The results from that study make me feel much better about my situation. 

40?  How the fuck are you still alive?  JK, good job being proactive.

[Redneck Mutha 8,006]

1 minute ago, conVINCEd said:

40?  How the fuck are you still alive?  JK, good job being proactive.

Yeah, freaked me out a little when I started reading peoples' results on here and then a buddy of mine shared that his was over 1700 (vaxxed 2 months before me with either Moderna or Pfizer).  Glad to be on the Moderna Train now.  Choo choo, LFG, motherfuckers.

[immortal13 4,059]

On 10/12/2021 at 5:56 PM, MoJames said:

The problem with the database is primarily it cannot fractionate out which vaccine causes which side effects. There are tons of vaccines that did not make it past Phase I, II, etc. As well, reading through the disclaimers you must agree to before even searching suggest this data dump in not verified and likely is coming directly from patients. Past that the vast majority of the reported side effects are benign. Cough, Nausea, Vertigo, etc.

I've been a part of a massive role out of both Moderna and Pfizer. The vast majority of patient's deal with some arm pain and maybe 24-48 hours of fever/malaise. Past that we haven't needed to use Benadryl once for any concerns of an allergic reaction.

Anyone at this point suggesting the mRNA vaccines are either ineffective or has unknown side effects is trying to find an excuse to hold onto to not get them. I wish the vast majority of those looking for other avenues (Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Beet Powder, etc) would simply just say they don't wish to be vaccinated for whatever reason and stop trying to explain their reasoning.

I'm tired of people coming to me after all of my training and experience and letting me know how they are more informed and better educated on how to approach the Pandemic. You are not and you are simply not willing to be vaccinated. I hope it doesn't cost you your health/life.

Anyone? 

Tell that to my friend that almost lost his wife to the Moderna 1

[SizzleChest 8,284]

8 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Anyone? 

Tell that to my friend that almost lost his wife to the Moderna 1

What’s her phone number?

[Brisketexan 105,160]

6 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Anyone? 

Tell that to my friend that almost lost his wife to the Moderna 1

He didn't say that they have no side effects. He said they don't have UNKNOWN side effects.  Literally every substance known to man has side effects.  The most benign drugs/treatments that you can imagine have side effects, some of them fatal.  There is NO SUCH THING as a drug that has zero occurrences of dangerous side effects.

Hemorrhagic stroke -- a potentially fatal condition -- is a known side effect of.....aspirin.  As just one of literally hundreds of thousands of examples.

Being that we have literally HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of doses administered, it is clear that 1) we know functionally all of the near-term potential side effects of the vaccines, and 2) the frequency of dangerous side effects is well below the frequency of dangerous side effects of hundreds of other drugs/treatments that people regularly take without even a second thought.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

Am gonna wait until I get my results from the second antibodies results from the UT health study before getting the third moderna shot. The second moderna shot totally kicked my ass the next morning with a 103 degree fever which strangely didn’t feel like one as I was able to go to the HEB no problem and then went away two hours later after some Advil. An expert witness doc I know said that probably meant I was super immune now for Covid. So i got that going for me, which is nice.
 

The first antibody results from the UT study put me at like 1170 whatever that means without ever having Covid. If the second antibody results are similar or slightly lower,  I’ll hold off on a third shot for now.

TLDR, team moderna FTW.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Yeah you would have to pretend it was your first or your second. I have no idea how they would make it mandatory for you to get another one. 
Technically, when people are posting that they got their moderna "booster", they didn't. The moderna booster will be a different shot with half the dosage, as some have mentioned above. There are no boosters available yet for Moderna. 
PS I will be curious what they tell us in the trial about the booster now that the FDA is saying not needed. They've been telling us it was coming "soon".

I got a full dose Moderna booster a few weeks ago at work.

[Satoshi 129]

1 hour ago, immortal13 said:

Anyone? 

Tell that to my friend that almost lost his wife to the Moderna 1

If you don’t mind sharing, what was her reaction? 
 

Was she able to get a medical exemption from further MRNA vaccination?

[CooterBrown 18,015]

I tried to schedule a Moderna booster at Walgreens and the online system said it doesn’t exist for Moderna. I’m getting my flu shot on Saturday so I guess I’ll ask in person.

[Neonmoon 38,129]

3 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

I tried to schedule a Moderna booster at Walgreens and the online system said it doesn’t exist for Moderna. I’m getting my flu shot on Saturday so I guess I’ll ask in person.

I got a third Moderna shot aka booster at Walgreens on Monday. It exists. They don’t call it a booster because it’s not “approved” for a booster. They call it a third shot. Just fill out whatever forms online and check yes to eligibility questions and then selected Moderna 

[conVINCEd 21,469]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I got a third Moderna shot aka booster at Walgreens on Monday. It exists. They don’t call it a booster because it’s not “approved” for a booster. They call it a third shot. Just fill out whatever forms online and check yes to eligibility questions and then selected Moderna 

I did this last week on the advice of my doc.  Probably a month early, but I made a poor decision to attend a football game last weekend and am traveling this weekend, so I went ahead and got it before high exposure events.

[Brisketexan 105,160]

Wife and I are both Pfizers.  She had a doc visit this week, and her doc told her to go ahead and get the booster.  So, we'll be doing that sometime in the next week, I'm guessing.

[wildcat09 29,355]

MIB spreading vaccine disinformation?

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,120]

29 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Wife and I are both Pfizers.  She had a doc visit this week, and her doc told her to go ahead and get the booster.  So, we'll be doing that sometime in the next week, I'm guessing.

I am Pfizer.  I got my last shot on May 22.  I am most likely getting a booster end of October/early November.  I am getting my flu shot tomorrow AM, so most likely, will go for the COVID booster in Mid-November.  That will be right about 6 months for me.

Edited October 14, 2021 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[Planet Houston 4,930]

15 hours ago, immortal13 said:

Anyone? 

Tell that to my friend that almost lost his wife to the Moderna 1

You’re full of shit. Convenient how stories like this only come from “conservative” assholes on this site. 

[babysdaddy 2,725]

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

White folks be running out of excuses.  

"Look, I'm not getting the shot okay!  My grandmother was at Tuskegee, okay!"

"Earl, she was a nurse at the clinic.  That's not the same thing." 

[Brisketexan 105,160]

12 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Lobo said:

White folks be running out of excuses.  

"Look, I'm not getting the shot okay!  My grandmother was at Tuskegee, okay!"

"Earl, she was a nurse at the clinic.  That's not the same thing." 

Want to draw some broad conclusions based on race?  Our resident fundagelican anti-vaxxer crowd ain't gonna like 'em.  They would include conclusions like "so, the data shows that black and hispanic Americans can be persuaded by reason and evidence, unlike entrenched white evangelicals with a raging case of oppositional defiance disorder."

[Hate 20,116]

Yet, how many died during the time it took them to be convinced? 

[Deej 76,837]

11 minutes ago, Lobo said:

White folks be running out of excuses.  

"Look, I'm not getting the shot okay!  My grandmother was at Tuskegee, okay!"

"Earl, she was a nurse at the clinic.  That's not the same thing." 

Hey, she got jabbed. 

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

18 hours ago, Baboontyme said:

Yeah you would have to pretend it was your first or your second. I have no idea how they would make it mandatory for you to get another one. 

Technically, when people are posting that they got their moderna "booster", they didn't. The moderna booster will be a different shot with half the dosage, as some have mentioned above. There are no boosters available yet for Moderna. 

PS I will be curious what they tell us in the trial about the booster now that the FDA is saying not needed. They've been telling us it was coming "soon".

Not really “mandatory” literally but I could see a business like an airline, for example, requiring a vaccination within x months at some point.  So the off-the-books Moderna shot could require me to get a possibly unnecessary Pfizer booster purely for things like that.  

[Anastasis 23,477]

 

[StruggleBus 3,922]

Eh, I'm fine with them not rushing the EUA for children. 

[Anastasis 23,477]

6 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Eh, I'm fine with them not rushing the EUA for children. 

I'd like to know the nature of the additional data being requested.

[Armybrat 40,851]

Last moderna shot was March 10th.

Two weeks ago at my annual physical my primary care doctor said it would be better to wait until the booster was approved. Will do so ASAP.

But I did get the annual flu shot…..

 

[Guest Lobo]

is that the Virgin Mary on your shoulder?  

[Armybrat 40,851]

5 minutes ago, Lobo said:

is that the Virgin Mary on your shoulder?  

I thought it looked like a rooster.