COVID-19 vaccine discussion

[Leeroy Jenkins 2415]

I tested positive for the second time.  I got it the first time on New Years Day.  I traveled for work to Colorado Springs last week.  So far two of the three that went are positive.  Pretty minor.  More of a pain in the ass than anything.  I was going to get the booster and flu shots this week.  I guess I will get the flu shot next week and wait for a while for another booster.  

[LurkingHorn 1071]

So who all is getting a booster this round? I was boosted last November and had natural infection in July, but I'm really struggling to find anything that states how long I should wait. It seems like hybrid immunity should last a pretty good while, but no idea with new variants. 

[dcbc 14525]

1 hour ago, LurkingHorn said:

So who all is getting a booster this round? I was boosted last November and had natural infection in July, but I'm really struggling to find anything that states how long I should wait. It seems like hybrid immunity should last a pretty good while, but no idea with new variants. 

CDC says wait three months after infection to get current booster.  I got my First Booster (Shot 3) in August 2021.  Infected on July 3, 2022.  Bivalent booster in early October.

[Dnaguy 12104]

My doctor also told me the 3 month rule after covid.

I got it for the second time in late August. Both flu and covid at the same time.

Weird thing is, Omicron covid + 2nd flu infection of the season (I had flu + strep in MAy) was not near as bad as Delta in 2021.

2021: 2nd dose complete 3.31, Delta in July, boosted in November

2022: Omicron in August.

I’ll likely get the booster right before Thanksgiving b/c… family.

Then, I’m getting another booster in May. I know it’s not scientific, but I don’t want late summer covid again. Even if it’s not a bad infection for me, it’s a pain in ass as I can’t go to work and my employees are batting below the Mendoza line on vaccinations. 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

10 hours ago, dcbc said:

CDC says wait three months after infection to get current booster.  I got my First Booster (Shot 3) in August 2021.  Infected on July 3, 2022.  Bivalent booster in early October.

So what happens if you don’t wait?  Let’s say your doctor is convinced you had Covid in September but all tests were negative.  If you get the booster now do you go blind and grow hair on the back of your hand?  Or was that another thing that the doctor was going on about?

[HouTex 1894]

14 hours ago, LurkingHorn said:

So who all is getting a booster this round? I was boosted last November and had natural infection in July, but I'm really struggling to find anything that states how long I should wait. It seems like hybrid immunity should last a pretty good while, but no idea with new variants. 

Same here except I got Covid in June. Very mild case.   I’m getting the seasonal flu shot on Thursday (when my firm provides it) but my PCP is agnostic on another Covid booster.  I’m leaning toward no more Covid boosters.  

[dcbc 14525]

4 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

 If you get the booster now do you go blind and grow hair on the back of your hand?

I thought that was the result of something else. 

 

I think the idea is that you probably have a bit of immunity through natural antibodies and you can get the booster later.  Kind of stretching your immunity a bit so to speak.  But when I did my CARES draw shortly after my infection, my N antibodies were pretty low by Surly standards.  Of course, my S antibodies still were off the chart.  Go figure. 

 

Anecdotal story:  Friend of ours was vaccinated and boosted and got her second bout of COVIDa month ago.  She got super sick and her doctor told her had she not gotten the booster last fall, he suspects she might have had extremely serious complications this go-'round.  I'm treating the COVID booster like a flu shot from now on.  I'm going to get it once per year or when their's a strain specific update.  I'm not going to put a tremendous amount of thought into it.  And I'm going to not worry about it after that.

[Guest]

Wish I could find some data on efficacy against being infected. I'm not worried about getting hospitalized should I get it. However, I would like to prevent infection and spread. If this has a big advantage against being infected then I'll get it. If not, then I'm not going to bother.

[Humble Beast 258]

21 hours ago, dcbc said:

She got super sick and her doctor told her had she not gotten the booster last fall, he suspects she might have had extremely serious complications this go-'round.

I‘m not aware of any data showing any effectiveness 9 months out from a booster. 
 

21 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Wish I could find some data on efficacy against being infected. I'm not worried about getting hospitalized should I get it. However, I would like to prevent infection and spread. If this has a big advantage against being infected then I'll get it. If not, then I'm not going to bother.

As for the new booster, no data either. 
 

 

[dcbc 14525]

23 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Wish I could find some data on efficacy against being infected. I'm not worried about getting hospitalized should I get it. However, I would like to prevent infection and spread. If this has a big advantage against being infected then I'll get it. If not, then I'm not going to bother.

Good luck.  The way I look at it, I scheduled it about an hour in advance along with my flu, shot, I waited 15 minutes, got both shots, didn't pay a dime, and had no discernible side effects.  If that makes it less likely to some degree that I get it again and have to miss a bunch of work and keeps me out of the hospital, it was worth it for a free shot that was easy to get.

1 hour ago, Humble Beast said:

I‘m not aware of any data showing any effectiveness 9 months out from a booster.

Like I said, her case is anecdotal.  But in this thread alone, there are plenty of people who were tested, myself included, and reported above range S-antibodies past the 9 month mark.  And, in my case, while that didn't prevent infection, I'm willing to bet, it had something to do with blunting the symptoms.  That blunting was significant in my case but varies among individuals, no doubt.  My case was eleven months out from my only booster (Shot 3).  Thereafter, my S-antibodies still were above range (12 months post booster).

 

 

Edited October 26, 2022 by dcbc

[South Austin 52629]

On 10/24/2022 at 8:44 PM, LurkingHorn said:

So who all is getting a booster this round?

Getting mine on Sunday.  Got the first booster last December.  As far as I know, I haven't gotten COVID.  Maybe the efficacy of the new variant booster is weak.  But other than the government installed tracking device, I don't see the harm in getting it.  And I've got a huge case set for trial on December 12, and I'd like to do what I can to make sure I don't get sick before then if there's a holiday/winter surge coming our way (got the flu shot a couple weeks ago). 

[Cody2422 279]

This is still a thing?  Every post reads “vaxed, caught covid, boosted, caught covid, double boosted, caught covid, but I didn’t get very sick.”  
 

Neither did 99.9% of people who caught omicron.  

[dcbc 14525]

3 hours ago, Cody2422 said:

This is still a thing?  Every post reads “vaxed, caught covid, boosted, caught covid, double boosted, caught covid, but I didn’t get very sick.”  
 

Neither did 99.9% of people who caught omicron.  

Not all that dissimilar from the football threads.  Yet I still show up on Saturdays.

[Armybrat 40920]

Both of us got the latest booster this past Friday. Zero side effects for me, slightly sore shoulder for Mrs. Brat.

[59 Burst 434]

12 hours ago, South Austin said:

Getting mine on Sunday.  Got the first booster last December.  As far as I know, I haven't gotten COVID.  Maybe the efficacy of the new variant booster is weak.  But other than the government installed tracking device, I don't see the harm in getting it.  And I've got a huge case set for trial on December 12, and I'd like to do what I can to make sure I don't get sick before then if there's a holiday/winter surge coming our way (got the flu shot a couple weeks ago). 

Same timeframe here. First booster back in December, and I don’t believe I have had Covid. I’m scheduled to get the new booster this morning. I hope it goes well…
 

[Dontshootrude 374]

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.add9947?cookieSet=1

Great article on the need for nasal vaccines.

 

[Exposition 93]

Had the Moderna bivalent shot on Tuesday during lunch. Didn't really feel any effects that night, went to sleep at my usual time. Woke up with a mild headache and fever but both were gone by the afternoon. Sore arm for a few days but by today that's gone too. Wasn't nearly as bad as last year's 2nd dose and booster which both knocked me out for a day.

[dmtx 159]

White House still expects new COVID boosters will offer better protection, but two new studies cast doubt - CBS News

 

no significant difference in neutralization of any SARS-CoV-2 variant tested between individuals who received a fourth monovalent vaccine and those who received a fourth dose of a bivalent vaccine

[Incredulity 11683]

There’s a fucking surprise.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Incredulity

[South Austin 52629]

Got my booster (fourth shot) yesterday at 1pm. Felt good throughout the day. Drank a ton of water, but started feeling a bit fatigued after dinner, and went to bed a little after 7. Side effects hit a couple hours later. Not as bad as the second shot. Mild fever and chills, but still got some decent sleep. Woke up at 6 feeling okay but worn out, so working from home. Feels like Thor punched my left shoulder. And for some reason I can understand Mandarin Chinese.

[Bevo 13601]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Got my booster (fourth shot) yesterday at 1pm. Felt good throughout the day. Drank a ton of water, but started feeling a bit fatigued after dinner, and went to bed a little after 7. Side effects hit a couple hours later. Not as bad as the second shot. Mild fever and chills, but still got some decent sleep. Woke up at 6 feeling okay but worn out, so working from home. Feels like Thor punched my left shoulder. And for some reason I can understand Mandarin Chinese.

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[South Austin 52629]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

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Hey, fuck you, too pal!

[Viper 12112]

45 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Got my booster (fourth shot) yesterday at 1pm. Felt good throughout the day. Drank a ton of water, but started feeling a bit fatigued after dinner, and went to bed a little after 7. Side effects hit a couple hours later. Not as bad as the second shot. Mild fever and chills, but still got some decent sleep. Woke up at 6 feeling okay but worn out, so working from home. Feels like Thor punched my left shoulder. And for some reason I can understand Mandarin Chinese.

this sounds like me. felt fine throughout the day other than sore at shot site, then felt weird around bed time. Woke up at 1am with chills, then 3am with sweats. feeling better now just tired and sore.

[dcbc 14525]

3 hours ago, Viper said:

this sounds like me. felt fine throughout the day other than sore at shot site, then felt weird around bed time. Woke up at 1am with chills, then 3am with sweats. feeling better now just tired and sore.

I know SA has not had it, but had you had Omicron before you got the booster?  My only symptom was feeling slightly tired.  I'm wondering if my prior infection had anything to do with my reaction to the booster.

[Viper 12112]

Just now, dcbc said:

I know SA has not had it, but had you had Omicron before you got the booster?  My only symptom was feeling slightly tired.  I'm wondering if my prior infection had anything to do with my reaction to the booster.

as far as I know I've never had any covid, or it was so mild as to not notice. It's somewhat similar to how I felt after the first two shots. First one just had sore arm for 3 days, second one wasn't sore but felt sick and achy with an increasing headache. Those both took about a whole weekend though, this one feels like it's compressed it all in one day.

[Brisketexan 105438]

Got around to getting my flu shot on Saturday.  Talked with the guy about getting my COVID booster at the same time, he suggested I wait a week so as not to feel run down on Saturday with two shots in my system.  So, that's what I'll do.  Looked at my card and realized I got my third shot/booster a year ago.  So, I think this schedule checks out.  I suspect we'll just end up treating the COVID vaccine as an annual update like the flu.

[South Austin 52629]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Got around to getting my flu shot on Saturday.  Talked with the guy about getting my COVID booster at the same time, he suggested I wait a week so as not to feel run down on Saturday with two shots in my system.  So, that's what I'll do. 

I got my flu shot at work a couple weeks ago, and they were offering the COVID booster as well.  But I've heard from a lot of folks that getting both at the same time really knocked them down, so that's why I staggered my shots. 

Thought earlier this morning my energy levels were back, as I was cranking out some work from home after dropping my son off at school and feeling okay.  But then my body crashed and I took an hour nap.  Hopefully I'm back to close to 100% tomorrow morning.  So overall, this shot seems worse than the third, but not nearly as bad as the second.  The first was nothing more than a sore arm for about a day or two.

If I had my preference, I would've gotten the booster Friday afternoon, but had too much going on Saturday and this weekend was the only time I could really do this until Thanksgiving break.

Edited October 31, 2022 by South Austin

[Skipper 6207]

Had to go to Children's ER last week due to random (non-COVID and non-respiratory related) illness with my son that resulted in a hospital stay.  Seems to be recovering (although if we have an ENT on this board wouldn't mind PMing with high level questions as it's hard to get questions answered post-discharge).  But in any event, just came to post about what a shitshow the ER was as an FYI and probably not a better thread on this board.  We waited 6+ hours and only got back to see a Dr. after I re-emphasized to the charge nurse what we were being evaluated for and potential severity (at which point we were able to get through).  I realized while there the issue was so many people needed to be admitted but not enough staffed beds.  We weren't moved from an ER bed until after 10 the next morning (so had an ER bed others needed for 9+hours after diagnosis made because no other place to put us).  It was an incredible depressing scene all around with so many sick kids. The docs said just absolutely slammed for the past few weeks primarily with RSV and Flu.  

It also was a wakeup call on the currents state of affairs of medical/hospital industry. I really enjoyed chatting with the ER physician and she flat out said hospitals just aren't paying nurses enough, particularly after the burnout of the last couple of years, resulting in a big shortage that is a big problem heading into the winter.  It was scary to witness up close.  Sure, there were some kids probably there with minor symptoms that really had no business being in the ER (i.e., using it as a doctor's office) but there were a lot of really sick miserable kids that just couldn't see a doctor (my son being one of them).  Just super stressful and depressing.

[Humble Beast 258]

36 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Had to go to Children's ER last week due to random (non-COVID and non-respiratory related) illness with my son that resulted in a hospital stay.  Seems to be recovering (although if we have an ENT on this board wouldn't mind PMing with high level questions as it's hard to get questions answered post-discharge).  But in any event, just came to post about what a shitshow the ER was as an FYI and probably not a better thread on this board.  We waited 6+ hours and only got back to see a Dr. after I re-emphasized to the charge nurse what we were being evaluated for and potential severity (at which point we were able to get through).  I realized while there the issue was so many people needed to be admitted but not enough staffed beds.  We weren't moved from an ER bed until after 10 the next morning (so had an ER bed others needed for 9+hours after diagnosis made because no other place to put us).  It was an incredible depressing scene all around with so many sick kids. The docs said just absolutely slammed for the past few weeks primarily with RSV and Flu.  

It also was a wakeup call on the currents state of affairs of medical/hospital industry. I really enjoyed chatting with the ER physician and she flat out said hospitals just aren't paying nurses enough, particularly after the burnout of the last couple of years, resulting in a big shortage that is a big problem heading into the winter.  It was scary to witness up close.  Sure, there were some kids probably there with minor symptoms that really had no business being in the ER (i.e., using it as a doctor's office) but there were a lot of really sick miserable kids that just couldn't see a doctor (my son being one of them).  Just super stressful and depressing.

The nursing shortage thing is a problem. What they’re paying them is a whole other issue. Lots of disgruntled nurses have left their jobs to take travel assignments for more pay. Then the places they leave have to pay more for travelers to replace those nurses and it’s a negative feedback loop. 
 

A colleague in administration told me that HCA has had massive increases in labor costs due to this. He quoted me 37% from some presentation he was shown. In any event I’ve asked the basic question why not give people 10-15% raises to keep them happy and stay out? The excuse is that it would throw their corporate pay scales out of whack and the funds for travelers come from a different bucket and aren’t reflected in the operating cost of any particular unit like the OR or ER for example. That is my understanding of the problem, maybe others know better. No easy fix. 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

Boosted on Friday.  Feel like shit today.  Not sure if related.  Many factors to consider.

[utee94 15868]

29 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Boosted on Friday.  Feel like shit today.  Not sure if related.  Many factors to consider.

Flu's going around big-time right now.  Everyone in my house had it this past weekend (and still) except me.  As far as I know I've never had it before, so hopefully I have some kind of super-immunity to it and will remain unscathed.  We'll see.

 

Edited November 1, 2022 by utee94

[Brisketexan 105438]

Just now, utee94 said:

Flu's going around big-time right now.  Everyone in my house has had it except me.  As far as I know I've never had it before, so hopefully I have some kind of super-immunity to it and will remain unscathed.  We'll see.

 

Yeah, that's one reason I got on my horse to get my flu shot this past weekend -- all signs are that it's going around like crazy, and early this year.

[utee94 15868]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, that's one reason I got on my horse to get my flu shot this past weekend -- all signs are that it's going around like crazy, and early this year.

Yeah I have my annual physical in a couple of weeks, that's normally when I'd get the flu shot, although I don't get one every year.  

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

17 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Flu's going around big-time right now.  Everyone in my house had it this past weekend (and still) except me.  As far as I know I've never had it before, so hopefully I have some kind of super-immunity to it and will remain unscathed.  We'll see.

 

I get that's not 100% - but I got my flu shot 3 weeks ago.

[South Austin 52629]

For what it's worth, I've read the flu shot takes about two weeks before it's effective, so you're susceptible to getting it during that window.  If flu is still going around like wildfire and you don't want to get sick because of work or other commitments, I'd take some Vitamin C and elderberry to be safe.

[Brisketexan 105438]

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

For what it's worth, I've read the flu shot takes about two weeks before it's effective, so you're susceptible to getting it during that window.  If flu is still going around like wildfire and you don't want to get sick because of work or other commitments, I'd take some Vitamin C and elderberry to be safe.

I am already smearing myself with a proprietary mix of essential oils, and I have aligned my crystal collection to redirect the positive energy of the universe directly into my chakras, so I'm feeling pretty optimistic.

[Deej 76946]

I've messaged Casey Cain for advice. He never catches anything. 

[South Austin 52629]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I am already smearing myself with a proprietary mix of essential oils, and I have aligned my crystal collection to redirect the positive energy of the universe directly into my chakras, so I'm feeling pretty optimistic.

Okay, fapping works, too.

[Brisketexan 105438]

Just now, South Austin said:

Okay, fapping works, too.

....says a dude who clearly doesn't know how I use essential oils.

[utee94 15868]

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

....says a dude who clearly doesn't know how I use essential oils.

In that case, I'd probably leave spearmint out of the mix...

[Jiggy-Z 3437]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

I'd take some Vitamin C and elderberry to be safe.

How much elderberry?  I don't want to use too much, I heard somewhere that that stuff reeks.

 

[South Austin 52629]

3 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

How much elderberry?  I don't want to use too much, I heard somewhere that that stuff reeks.

Depends on the dosage on the particular label. I take the gummies, and it’s anywhere from 2-4 a day. And they don’t reek. It tastes like a tart blueberry.

[Foosters 17889]

16 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I take the gummies, and it’s anywhere from 2-4 a day.

Instructions unclear. Very high rn

[Pimphand 5926]

18 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

How much elderberry?  I don't want to use too much, I heard somewhere that that stuff reeks.

 

[WhatTheBuck 28806]

I finally got around to getting my second booster shot this afternoon. Almost a year after my first (12/9/21). I had to make an appointment and only had a 2-day wait for an open slot. I was in and out in under 5 minutes. This was as easy and painless as the others and the quickest of all of them. Team Pfizer all the way. I doubt I’ll go visit family over the holidays but if I do then at least I’ll know I’m up-to-date on my vaccine. 

[Pimphand 5926]

Watching your stupid quaccine virtue signaling thread die on the vine.....

 

Fuck every last one of you cum drinking fuckstains who brought all signal no virtue. Take the loss pussies.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Pimphand
Fuck the quaccinators

[texasdago 7581]

I have no idea what I'm looking at above but it looks like it needs neg rep.

After three years I finally tested positive yesterday.  I probably would have chalked up how I felt to allergies were it not for a fever.  So... tested and am now in isolation.  Tested positive again this morning so that's two in a row.

Already feel a lot better... have not really taken anything other than one Excedrin and some Emergen-C.  Double boosted including the bivalent.  It just feels like I have mild allergy symptoms which could very likely be mild allergy systems thanks to the pollen.  I'm sure that doing the River Place trail during high pollen yesterday didn't help.

[Homercles 10206]

On 12/6/2022 at 12:25 AM, Pimphand said:

Watching your stupid quaccine virtue signaling thread die on the vine.....

 

Fuck every last one of you cum drinking fuckstains who brought all signal no virtue. Take the loss pussies.

[statsman 5486]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/03/health/covid-variant-xbb-explainer/index.html
 

The bivalent booster not so great with XBB. My thoughts:

1. We need a regular operation making annual unique Covid vaccines, like we do with flu (if that’s even possible; I really don’t know, and I gather Covid is still mutating quickly)

2. A year ago, I posted that there are three protections from bad Covid outcomes- being young, being fit and being vaccinated. If you can’t have all three, you should at least have two. Now, I think it’s time for the government to start doing what it has been reluctant to- start being vocal about the need for people to be fit. Especially the olds (like me). My reading of the CNN article is that being fit will do more good against XBB than being vaccinated (with our current vaccines). 

[HouTex 1894]

10 minutes ago, statsman said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/01/03/health/covid-variant-xbb-explainer/index.html
 

The bivalent booster not so great with XBB. My thoughts:

1. We need a regular operation making annual unique Covid vaccines, like we do with flu (if that’s even possible; I really don’t know, and I gather Covid is still mutating quickly)

2. A year ago, I posted that there are three protections from bad Covid outcomes- being young, being fit and being vaccinated. If you can’t have all three, you should at least have two. Now, I think it’s time for the government to start doing what it has been reluctant to- start being vocal about the need for people to be fit. Especially the olds (like me). My reading of the CNN article is that being fit will do more good against XBB than being vaccinated (with our current vaccines). 

This.  They knew obesity was a huge risk factor very early in the pandemic. I heard zero PSAs urging obese people to lose weight.  I guess that’s too mean.  
On age, I was 57 when the pandemic hit but I’m not overweight and about my only health-related vice is that I love my evening cocktails.  I’ve been jabbed twice with the Pfizer shot and received one Moderna booster (In November 2021) and then I came down with Covid (Omicron, I assume) in June 2022.  It was basically a nonevent.  I have no interest in getting any more boosters unless something changes.