COVID-19 vaccine discussion

[Foosters 17,858]

Good fucking god

When's the brain worm vaccine gonna be released?

[Foosters 17,858]

4 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

also, none of this is true, btw.

[Anastasis 23,475]

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Good fucking god

When's the brain worm vaccine gonna be released?

something ivermectin might actually help with. 
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6253560/

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

something ivermectin might actually help with. 
 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6253560/

[Deej 76,830]

6 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

[aggie08 21,505]

23 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

The stupid, it burns.

[Samson's Wig 3,192]

On 5/6/2024 at 5:13 PM, bolverk said:

It really was. I'd known him since the 2nd or 3rd grade when his family moved to town. He'd always been a cocky asshole, but we initially became friends because his family had the only in-ground swimming pool in the neighborhood that I knew of. We stayed relatively good friends through college, though, but he had an uncanny knack for always getting into some really stupid shit.

I'm pretty sure he had Oppositional Defiance Disorder or something, so no one from our high school clique was at all surprised.

I know this is a late response, but I'm pretty sure Covid provided evidence that around 30% of adults in this country suffer from ODD.   It was staggering to watch (and still is).

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

44 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

[Dahobbs 17,625]

46 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Injecting bleach would solve at least one of society's problems, or so I'm told. 

Edited June 5 by Dahobbs

[Anastasis 23,475]

44 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

 

An exercise in garbage meta analytic techniques.  

Edited June 5 by Anastasis

[Dahobbs 17,625]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

And exercise in garbage meta analytic techniques.  

I know a few epidemiologists who would argue that you're being repetitive. 

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

An exercise in garbage meta analytic techniques.  

Possibly. Show your work.

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

This is a pretty good narrative of what went on inside the White House. Atlas is a Stanford professor, and his arguments are evidence based, not based on emotion or some idiotic manichean understanding of the world.

 

[Foosters 17,858]

lol:

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Atlas was selected by President Donald Trump in August 2020 to serve as an advisor on the White House Coronavirus Task Force.[4] In that role, Atlas at times said misinformation about COVID-19, such as theories that face masks and social distancing were not effective in slowing the spread of the coronavirus.[5][6] His statements and influence on policies caused controversy within the task force.[7][8][9] Contrary to the recommendations of most of the scientific community,[10] Atlas recommended establishing herd immunity by allowing or encouraging low-risk people to get COVID-19 while attempting to protect more vulnerable people.[11][12]

He advocated that states should not engage in COVID-19 testing of virus-exposed but asymptomatic individuals,[13] called for faster reopening of schools and businesses,[14][15][16] and encouraged residents to resist or "rise up" against state restrictions adopted to prevent the spread of the coronavirus.[17] Atlas resigned from his position in the White House on November 30, 2020.[18]

lol2

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Atlas is the Robert Wesson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative public policy think tank.[23][19] He joined the Hoover Institution in 2003.[23]

He served as a senior advisor for health care to the Republican presidential campaigns of Rudy Giuliani in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2012.[24][25]

He has advocated eliminating the Affordable Care Act and replacing it with modified tax deductions and incentives. He has also called for changes to Medicare[26] and "aggressive reforms" to turn Medicaid "into a bridge to private insurance"[27] and encourage health savings accounts.[26] Atlas views the Medicaid expansion as "one of the most misguided parts" of the Affordable Care Act.[27] He opposes proposals to establish a public health insurance option[28] or single-payer healthcare.[29]

In December 2021, Atlas helped found the Academy for Science and Freedom with Martin Kulldorff and Jay Bhattacharya, a program of the private conservative liberal arts college Hillsdale College.[30]

On August 10, 2020, President Donald Trump announced that Atlas would join his administration as an advisor on COVID-19.[31] Atlas, a radiologist, is not a specialist in public health or infectious diseases.[32][33][34] He reportedly caught Trump's eye because of his frequent appearances on Fox News that summer.[35]

No wonder you love the guy Hammer

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He advised that the virus should be allowed to spread naturally among people deemed at low risk, while protecting the most vulnerable populations, so as to gain herd immunity.[11][12] The Washington Post reported that Atlas was the leading proponent within the Trump administration for a herd immunity approach to the virus, although some experts cautioned that such an approach could lead to hundreds of thousands more American deaths.[38][7] Atlas later denied that he advocated for the herd immunity strategy,[43][44] said "there's never been a desire to have cases spread through the community," and said it "has never been the president's policy."[45][46] However, in October and November 2020, he "touted" the Great Barrington Declaration, an open letter that calls for encouraging herd immunity.[47][48] He advocated for in-person school reopening and resumption of college sports during the pandemic.[15][33][38][32][36]

He quickly became influential within the administration, and Trump welcomed his recommendations such as faster reopening and less testing, which were in accord with Trump's own preferences.[14][32] Atlas was the only doctor to share the stage at Trump's pandemic briefings in the week after his appointment was announced,[33] and he also prepared Trump's briefing materials

 

[B00M 6,419]

This mother fucker in here pushing ivermectin and YouTube doctors telling the rest of us to show our work 

[YGIFS 19,452]

If your horse’s ivermectin erection releases worms into your brain for more than four hours, please seek medical care.  
 

wow, dude.  You’re gonna open your TED talk with that?  

Edited June 5 by YGIFS

[chainsaw 9,870]

PragerU is that a safety school for guys who couldn't get into Trump University?

[Dahobbs 17,625]

8 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Possibly. Show your work.

Here is a decent article on it.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/the-anonymous-meta-analysis-thats-convincing-people-to-use-ivermectin/

As an example, the very first study it cites as a RCT (Chowdhury et al., A Comparative Study on Ivermectin-Doxycycline and Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin Therapy on COVID-19 Patients) doesn't actually show or even conclude that Ivermectin is a good treatment. That study compared ivermectin+doxycycline vs HCQ+AZ. It did not have a placebo group. The study itself failed find any statistically significant differences between the two treatment, though it stated the raw numbers favored the ivermectin treatment. Further studies comparing those treatments against a placebo show that neither is effective, which is why there was no statistically significant different between them. Yet, the authors are just throwing in raw numbers from studies like this to say "Ivermectin works."  

[YGIFS 19,452]

25 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

This is a pretty good narrative of what went on inside the White House. Atlas is a Stanford professor, and his arguments are evidence based, not based on emotion or some idiotic manichean understanding of the world.

 

You forgot to mention the “tremendous power platform that saved millions of lives.”  

[Deej 76,830]

24 minutes ago, B00M said:

This mother fucker in here pushing ivermectin and YouTube doctors telling the rest of us to show our work 

He's just asking questions.

[Samson's Wig 3,192]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

The stupid, it burns.

It's just incredible.   And frightening.  It's also why I refuse to talk about anything like this, or politics of any kind, with anyone in person, ever.  If someone opens their mouth and spews out the complete pile of bullshit that TexasHammer just laid out, I would never be able to take them seriously or even deal with them in any capacity, ever again.  Generally speaking, morons can be fun to hang out with so long as you don't know their deep thoughts, and I don't want to ruin any potential good times to be had.  Most of my family is dumber than a bag of broken dildos as well, so I would never be able to attend holiday get-togethers if I held that aga . . . wait a minute. 

[Schulz2.0 28,960]

25 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Here is a decent article on it.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/the-anonymous-meta-analysis-thats-convincing-people-to-use-ivermectin/

As an example, the very first study it cites as a RCT (Chowdhury et al., A Comparative Study on Ivermectin-Doxycycline and Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin Therapy on COVID-19 Patients) doesn't actually show or even conclude that Ivermectin is a good treatment. That study compared ivermectin+doxycycline vs HCQ+AZ. It did not have a placebo group. The study itself failed find any statistically significant differences between the two treatment, though it stated the raw numbers favored the ivermectin treatment. Further studies comparing those treatments against a placebo show that neither is effective, which is why there was no statistically significant different between them. Yet, the authors are just throwing in raw numbers from studies like this to say "Ivermectin works."  

Didn't they also rely on a large study from India where a decent percent of the population has internal parasites?

[chainsaw 9,870]

2 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Didn't they also rely on a large study from India where a decent percent of the population has internal parasites?

It is a dreadful, dreadful place. It's the only country that still has the plague.

[Dahobbs 17,625]

18 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Didn't they also rely on a large study from India where a decent percent of the population has internal parasites?

That specific study I cited was from India. There are a large number of them in there. 

[YGIFS 19,452]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

It is a dreadful, dreadful place. It's the only country that still has the plague.

I mean, c'mon!  the plague!  Just send a gift a be grateful you don't have to go.  

[Schulz2.0 28,960]

2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

There are a large number of them in there. 

Parasites?

[Neonmoon 38,129]

5 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

because I read the studies.

[mdleast 8,295]

Pretty sure this



is one of the tags you find on a MyPillow

[Gatorubet 30,246]

8 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

you make T-tom look smart and sane. 

How exactly is Fauci responsible for a huge amount of deaths?  If dumb fuck rural red state people did not wear masks, that’s not on Fauci.  That’s on every stupid MAGA redneck who did his own research.

it is hard to choose, but the bold language is perhaps the most headache inducing part of your missive. Who are ‘they’, and who do you say they lied to? And what was the lie? How was the question asked? How did they answer? When the voice in your head screams at you at night that the immigrants are coming across the river to kill you, does The Voice have an accent?

Please elaborate

[troph 24,854]

Wow. This is really still happening. 

[Sawbonz 27,578]

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

You are insane 

[Sawbonz 27,578]

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

[Sawbonz 27,578]

8 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

This is a pretty good narrative of what went on inside the White House. Atlas is a Stanford professor, and his arguments are evidence based, not based on emotion or some idiotic manichean understanding of the world.

 

Atlas is a radiologist. 

[jimmyjazz 45,976]

On 5/30/2024 at 10:35 AM, crash_davis said:

There's some viral flu/whatever shit going around. I got picked it up last Wed night on a business trip to Pennsylvania. Started with a scratchy throat and sinus. It's been a full week of thick sinus issues, non-stop coughing, fatigue, on and off again fever. Got tested yesterday. Not Covid or flu, doc thinks it is viral. I haven't been this sick since, well, Covid but I was feeling fine after a week with Covid. Not this shit. A week later, still feeling like absolute shit. This motherfucking cough will not go away. Gave it to the wife. She's vaxxed with the latest and greatest. Didn't prevent her from getting this shit.

Reading the Austin Reddit board, this is going around in Austin. Same symptoms. Some tested positive to Covid, many didn't. The kicker is that the cough lasts 1-2 months. Yay me.

My wife started to feel pretty janky after we did a loop on the hike & bike trail, nearly 3 weeks ago.  It persisted.  Increasingly worse coughing fits and fatigue, mild fever.  She finally gave in and went to the doc a week ago -- x-ray showed pneumonia.  She's getting better now after antibiotics have started to kick in.

Don't fuck around with that thing.

[Gatorubet 30,246]

8 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Atlas is a radiologist. 

And still finds time to be a boxing commentator. Advantage MAGA.

[Z-Ro 20]

9 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Atlas is a radiologist. 

They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

[immamac 42,865]

19 minutes ago, Z-Ro said:

They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

But what about a potato? 

[kevwun 15,798]

Oh look, GRU is back. 

[Anastasis 23,475]

18 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Here is a decent article on it.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/09/the-anonymous-meta-analysis-thats-convincing-people-to-use-ivermectin/

As an example, the very first study it cites as a RCT (Chowdhury et al., A Comparative Study on Ivermectin-Doxycycline and Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin Therapy on COVID-19 Patients) doesn't actually show or even conclude that Ivermectin is a good treatment. That study compared ivermectin+doxycycline vs HCQ+AZ. It did not have a placebo group. The study itself failed find any statistically significant differences between the two treatment, though it stated the raw numbers favored the ivermectin treatment. Further studies comparing those treatments against a placebo show that neither is effective, which is why there was no statistically significant different between them. Yet, the authors are just throwing in raw numbers from studies like this to say "Ivermectin works."  

It is by their own reported methodology an exercise in cherry picking. They are generally much more critical of the negative RCT data, and not a peep about the shit ass observational study data. But they just throw that shit into their model. There is far too much heterogeneity in the study designs. There is nothing wrong with a well conducted meta analysis. When executed properly they can provide the highest grade of medical evidence. But when you throw a bunch of garbage at it, you will get garbage out. There is certainly a reason thec19ivm.com analysis has not been published in a reputable peer reviewed medical journal. 

[Incredulity 11,675]

Ivermectin and Fauci being or not being the anti-Christ aside.

 

The FOIA avoidance shenanigans should be a seriously big scandal.  It probably won't.

 

 

[Foosters 17,858]

1 hour ago, Z-Ro said:

They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

 

41 minutes ago, immamac said:

But what about a potato? 

 

Can we skip to the end and ban him now? Or do we have to go through the trouble (about once a month for several years now) to crowdsource him?

[wildcat09 29,355]

20 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

[Sawbonz 27,578]

1 hour ago, Z-Ro said:

They have a much larger depth of medical knowledge than an orthopod, if we're really judging medical opinions solely off specialties.

I’m not giving a medical opinion. I’m giving my personal opinion that if you are taking advice on a novel virus from anyone other than an infectious disease specialist, you’re a fucking idiot.

[Brisketexan 105,155]

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m not giving a medical opinion. I’m giving my personal opinion that if you are taking advice on a novel virus from anyone other than an infectious disease specialist, you’re a fucking idiot.

You obviously haven't dOnE tHE rESeaRcH!!!!!

[Pato del Muerto 52,525]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You obviously haven't dOnE tHE rESeaRcH!!!!!

If you do so, you become your own infectious disease specialist!

Edited June 6 by Pato del Muerto

[Sawbonz 27,578]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

You obviously haven't dOnE tHE rESeaRcH!!!!!

You know it’s funny. I was very intrigued by ivermectin when it first came out, and I looked at some of the basic science papers regarding its reported mechanism of action. In vitro it prevents coronavirus (presumably including Covid 19) particles from entering the nucleus of host cells, rendering the virus harmless. It’s possible the concentration of ivermectin needed to achieve this effect in vitro cannot be achieved in vivo with nontoxic doses. In any case, As soon as quality studies started coming out all of the serious people abandoned the treatment. 

[MissingInAction 25,106]

21 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

You are a stupid fuck.

It's my duty to call out you dumb fucks for what you are: morons brainwashed by propaganda.

 

[immamac 42,865]

On 6/5/2024 at 3:01 PM, Thetexashammer said:

Fauci is responsible for more deaths outside of the folks who actually leaked the virus. He is a narcissistic demon who if there is any justice will burn in hell.

More broadly, he and the public health establishment writ large lied about everything.

They lied about masks.

They lied about Ivermectin.

They lied when they said the vaccine would prevent infection.

They lied in order to close schools. (We had good evidence it was not necessary.) 

They lied about the 6ft distancing. (No evidence)

They lied about taking millions from Big Pharma. (260 NIAID scientists took $690 million in royalties from Big Pharma between 2021 and 2023. That's more than $3 million per scientist.)

They lied about the origin of the virus.

They signed a letter saying if you protested for BLM you would be safe, but if you gathered for MAGA you would transmit the virus.

They lied about natural immunity.

They lied about vaccine side effects. 

They lied to make kids take a vaccine for a virus to which they were immune.

 

You cannot just lie about every fucking thing you say, then turn around and say "trust us". There is documented evidence of the huge harm caused by their "advice", especially to kids. But the most damage they did was to convince people not to take the vaccine because they could not be trusted but rather are inveterate liars dispossessed of any conscience whatsoever. If there is another pandemic, there will be mass refusals to take any vaccine, despite any evidence. There is no trust, and their shouldn't be.

I am vaccinated, and obviously very pro vaccine, because I read the studies. But science requires the confidence of the public, and the public health establishment could not have done a worse job. 

This post was bad 4 years ago. It's even worse now. 

I would say you are better than this, but I don't actually believe that anymore. This is some serious brain rot you need to address. 

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The thing is, there is plenty to rightfully point wrt to the covid response that was erroneous. Some that was quite clear as it played out in real time, some that is just fucking ridiculous in hindsight, and some that we should be thinking about in the future.

The .gov vaccine mandates were a totally predictable and counterproductive disaster. Ramifications will play out in the long term and with unrelated vaccines. 

The vaccine recs wrt to young children was and continues to be totally divorced from evidence based medicine. I vaccinated all three of my kids. In hindsight, I wish we didn't tbh.

People losing their basic biological sciences grounding over natural immunity was a thing. 

The suppression of the lab leak talk was totally politically motivated, and Fauci was all up in that shit. Follow the DOD money. Lab origin is like 80/20 at this point, and that might be generous. 

 Everyone wanted to find the magic bullet early on. Unfortunately the antiparasitics did not shake out. The cult following that persists I guess even to this day was a brain damaged clique. See @triplehorn.

The school shutdowns were reasonable at first in spring 2020, but fraught in the context of long term outcomes, and it became clear early in the fall that energy was better spent elsewhere.

Texas Hammer is not directionally wrong across the board. But he is a dumbass. 

 

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Oh, and the initial vaccine roll out wrt to the us intransigence of extending the intervals. That probably cost more lives than anything. Good job Fauci.