Trump Pardon Watch Thread

[Hookah Horns 3089]

With the transition finally getting under way, it seems fitting to create this official pardon watch thread. 

Who are the favorites to receive pardons, other than Trump himself?

Would/will SCOTUS deem a self-pardon constitutional? 

Will he pardon everyone in ADX Florence (supermax) as a giant "fuck you" on his way out? 

[RPM 26572]

Errrbody gets a pardon

[washparkhorn 9968]

The Turkeys Corn and Cob are not amused by all the anti-pardon rancor. 

 

Edited November 24, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Yuk 1612]

Trump is so transactional that it will be him, kids, and those that benefit him.  He'll commute Manafort's sentence because a pardon will preclude him taking the 5th amendment protections when he's inevitably dragged before congress or a grand jury.

So himself, kids, Manafort, maybe Barr.  Then some randos.

[mdmost 43855]

What will be more telling is how his base will excuse away all the pardons he gives out to his family because of course the libtards are just out to get them with baseless charges...that they haven't even brought yet. 

[Yuk 1612]

And there's about close to a zero percent chance he trusts Pence to pardon him if he resigns.  It will be a self pardon.  And the Brett Kavanaugh will write the majority opinion that "Nemo iudex in causa sua" was wrongly decided.

[washparkhorn 9968]

Edited November 24, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Mole 4338]

 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

1 minute ago, Yuk said:

And there's about close to a zero percent chance he trusts Pence to pardon him if he resigns.  It will be a self pardon.  And the Brett Kavanaugh will write the majority opinion that "Nemo iudex in causa sua" was wrongly decided.

I'm not sure that's true about not trusting Pence, but he also could try to have Pence do it while Pence is "acting president" under 25A. 

[Sawbonz 28093]

5 minutes ago, Mole said:

 

[Bullneck 19454]

Question for our crack team of constitutional lawyers:

How do you pardon yourself for something you're not accused of?  Say for example that no one has charged you with tax evasion, but you snap your fingers and say "I pardon myself for anything of any kind that might come up from the IRS" and you're all good?  Seems like there has to be a case filed, first.  Pardon v. blanket immunity.  

Also, I have assumed all along that all pardons are only for Federal statute crimes.  So the State of NY can do whatever the fuck they want.

[Neonmoon 38130]

I don’t think an offense has to be charged. Article II says any offense can be pardoned. 

Article II of the U.S. Constitution gives the President the power to pardon individuals who have committed federal offenses. 

The scope of the President’s pardon power is broad.  He can pardon an individual for nearly any offense against the United States.  While broad, the power is not unlimited.  For example, the President cannot issue a pardon in cases of impeachment, nor can he pardon someone for committing a state crime.

The Constitution does not impose any procedural or substantive requirements on the President’s exercise of the pardon power.  He can issue a pardon through any process and for any reason. 
 

 

[DanTheHorn 5061]

Hell pardon most associates except Giuliani as he gets ready to throw him under the bus and this way he does not have to pay the legal bill.

[Hookah Horns 3089]

21 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

Question for our crack team of constitutional lawyers:

How do you pardon yourself for something you're not accused of?  Say for example that no one has charged you with tax evasion, but you snap your fingers and say "I pardon myself for anything of any kind that might come up from the IRS" and you're all good?  Seems like there has to be a case filed, first.  Pardon v. blanket immunity.  

Also, I have assumed all along that all pardons are only for Federal statute crimes.  So the State of NY can do whatever the fuck they want.

SCOTUS held in Ex parte Garland (1866) that an offense can be pardoned any time after its commission. It does need to be for a particular offense, though, so it's not really "blanket" immunity. 

Edited November 24, 2020 by Hookah Horns

[ultimaton 2985]

My predictions:

Short of Barr telling him he can't, which I find unlikely given Barr's views on executive power, Trump absolutely is pardoning himself with the thought that "his" Supreme Court will take care of him.

The kids are all getting pardoned -- well except maybe Tiffany, depends on if Trump remembers she exists or not.

He's going to promise a bunch of pardons and not get around to them before he's out of office.

He's going to withhold a pardon to punish someone he thinks failed or screwed him -- Rudy actually a good candidate for this one.

Dark horse prediction: He announces he's pardoning Hillary, Obama, and Biden.

[Pato del Muerto 53348]

Pardoning himself means essentially admitting to committing federal crimes, should he pardon himself for things he hasn’t yet been charged with. 
 

odds he doesn’t think he has done anything illegal, or thinks that it’s all sufficiently covered up that he won’t get popped for it, and doesn’t pardon himself?

[Neonmoon 38130]

He’s not pardoning himself. That would be admitting he’s done something wrong as President. That being said, I wouldn’t be shocked if he did something incredibly stupid like try to pardon himself for NY tax fraud. (Even though he can’t). It won’t stop him from trying. 

[TwiceHorn 31996]

25 minutes ago, ultimaton said:

My predictions:

Short of Barr telling him he can't, which I find unlikely given Barr's views on executive power, Trump absolutely is pardoning himself with the thought that "his" Supreme Court will take care of him.

The kids are all getting pardoned -- well except maybe Tiffany, depends on if Trump remembers she exists or not.

He's going to promise a bunch of pardons and not get around to them before he's out of office.

He's going to withhold a pardon to punish someone he thinks failed or screwed him -- Rudy actually a good candidate for this one.

Dark horse prediction: He announces he's pardoning Hillary, Obama, and Biden.

Hillary Obama and Biden can all decline the pardon, which would be fun.

[TexArcher 38828]

7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I wouldn’t be shocked if he did something incredibly stupid like try to pardon himself for NY tax fraud. (Even though he can’t). It won’t stop him from trying. 

Oh, please, please let this happen.

[Bullneck 19454]

1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

SCOTUS held in Ex parte Garland (1866) that an offense can be pardoned any time after its commission. It does need to be for a particular offense, though, so it's not really "blanket" immunity. 

That's the important part.  Do you have to specify and cite a particular crime?  If so I would argue that even if Trump thinks he can protect himself by issuing some kind of blanket pardon he's going to miss something. 

[Francisco 2.0 32545]

50 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

He’s not pardoning himself. That would be admitting he’s done something wrong as President. That being said, I wouldn’t be shocked if he did something incredibly stupid like try to pardon himself for NY tax fraud. (Even though he can’t). It won’t stop him from trying. 

 

He sure as hell might try to pardon himself, not because he's admitting to anything, but rather, he would be "protecting" himself from the Deep State Democrat fuckheads that want nothing more to see him in jail.  And the MAGA folk and the GOP would go along with it on those terms.

 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

22 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

That's the important part.  Do you have to specify and cite a particular crime?  If so I would argue that even if Trump thinks he can protect himself by issuing some kind of blanket pardon he's going to miss something. 

The law would suggest that kind of specificity is required, but then Nixon's didn't. His was for "any crimes he may have committed" during a 5 year period. Which is total bullshit in my book. 

[Hookah Horns 3089]

1 hour ago, ultimaton said:

 

Dark horse prediction: He announces he's pardoning Hillary, Obama, and Biden.

Oh man, this didn't even occur to me. I can see him doing it for sure. 

[Hagbard Celine 11164]

group 1 - didn't get anyone killed, that we know of - "whistle blowers"

snowden

assange

winner

manning* (already free, but commuted by Obama, not pardoned)

 

group 2 - didn't get anyone killed, that we know of - "espionage"

gowadia

myers

nicholson

 

group 3 - definitely got people killled - he wouldn't dare would he?

hanssen

kaczynski

nichols

rudolph

 

group 4 - all the other baddies at Florence including tons of al qaeda - surly no wai

 

[Degenerate Gardner 4135]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Pardoning himself means essentially admitting to committing federal crimes, should he pardon himself for things he hasn’t yet been charged with. 
 

odds he doesn’t think he has done anything illegal, or thinks that it’s all sufficiently covered up that he won’t get popped for it, and doesn’t pardon himself?

Trump will pardon himself because it's too irresistible of a narrative not to be a victim of crooked Dems and just have to inocculate yourself against consequences of your own actions. Stone cold lock.

Edited November 24, 2020 by Degenerate Gardner

[NAVY 6910]

In the spirit of grouping. 
 

Group 1: Individuals that Trump needs to pardon to protect himself

Group 2: Individuals with the means to clandestinely pay Trump for a pardon 

 

 

 

 

[Gil Bang 26180]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Of course the biggest traitor gets pardoned first. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13712]

Trump will almost certainly pardon himself. it will only matter if Biden’s DOJ decides to prosecute Trump for something. Then the pardon will tested.

As for the trump clan, it might time to test blanket pardons are valid or not. 

[Hagbard Celine 11164]

10 hours ago, NAVY said:

Group 1: Individuals that Trump needs to pardon to protect himself

maxwell

[Guest Lobo]

Is Flynn the highest-ranking general officer to be pardoned since the Civil War?  

[Fudge Nuggets 19408]

If dotard gets stupid with his pardons then Biden needs to pardon El Chapo and send him straight to Mar a Lago.

[tx 3 putt 78481]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Of course the biggest traitor gets pardoned first. 

Wasnt Flynn fired by trump / pence ?

[tx 3 putt 78481]

I’ll guess Steven Miller

he’s not pardoning Barr, DoJ never arrested obama, Hillary and Biden !

Edited November 25, 2020 by tx 3 putt

[Yuk 1612]

13 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I’ll guess Steven Miller

he’s not pardoning Barr, DoJ never arrested obama, Hillary and Biden !

Barr can straight up implicate him on obstruction.  He's getting a pardon if he wants one.

[ChiTownDoc 21326]

On 11/23/2020 at 7:38 PM, ultimaton said:

My predictions:

He's going to promise a bunch of pardons and not get around to them before he's out of office.

He's going to withhold a pardon to punish someone he thinks failed or screwed him -- Rudy actually a good candidate for this one.

Dark horse prediction: He announces he's pardoning Hillary, Obama, and Biden.

This is gonna be hilarious.  They need to keep him thinking he has a chance to win this fight with his trusty sidedick Rudy G.  Then before we know it his ass is done.  Make it so. 

Edited November 25, 2020 by ChiTownDoc

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Fuck Michael Flynn.  He’ll probably get charged with something in the future. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

First one down.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

I get so disgusted by these power plays. That persons so treasonous, who lie, cheat, and steal with impunity can walk as free as a bird while a black American cannot even jog through a neighborhood without being harassed is just wrong and shameful. 

[Brisketexan 106665]

Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

I get so disgusted by these power plays. That persons so treasonous, who lie, cheat, and steal with impunity can walk as free as a bird while a black American cannot even jog through a neighborhood without being harassed is just wrong and shameful. 

Black people shoulda been more loyal to Trump.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Ghost of LL 15672]

14 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

First one down.
 

I really and genuinely hope someone shoots that motherfucking traitor.

[Horndog 2293]

14 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

First one down.
 

Judge Sullivan should schedule a hearing and ask Flynn on the record if he is acknowledging guilt and accepting the pardon.  If he says no, sentence him.

[JimmyJames 12271]

I’ve never understood WTF the founders were thinking allowing the president to just pardon anyone for pretty much any reason.  I realize federal crimes were few and far between back then but they existed and some were quite important. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

I really and genuinely hope someone shoots that motherfucking traitor.

Which one?

[tx 3 putt 78481]

A Traitor pardoning a Traitor 

[Paul Wesley 3313]

You cannot objectively look at Flynn's behavior and tell me that he is looking out for America above 1) money, 2) Turkey, 3) Russia, or 4) Trump. 

He is a treasonous piece of shit. 

Pardoning him is shameful.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Paul Wesley

[Ghost of LL 15672]

15 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Which one?

 

[TwiceHorn 31996]

41 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

I’ve never understood WTF the founders were thinking allowing the president to just pardon anyone for pretty much any reason.  I realize federal crimes were few and far between back then but they existed and some were quite important. 

You strike at the heart of the problem.  A federal pardon should not have much scope.

Aaaand, the impeachment remedy should take care of corrupt pardons.  IIRC it was explicitly mentioned in the impeachment debate as a cause for impeachment.

I posted a fairly readable law review article about pardons not too long ago that traces the history.  Pretty interesting.

Edited November 25, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[WhatTheBuck 28904]

19 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

A Traitor pardoning a Traitor 

Both of them are foreign agents representing the interests of Russia and Turkey.