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That's why I'm out. There is no end game, IMO. This has to be fixed outside of the market and I got too nervous about what that entails for retail investors. They will always be last on the list, if o

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I don't think it at all, and it's the website I spend the most time on outside of here.

For one, it's only $7B market cap. But more importantly, it just isn't mainstream enough. 
 
I think it will take off, especially as more people use it beyond the youngs. I spend more time there than here, and it's becoming a "google" for answers.
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1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:
I don't think it at all, and it's the website I spend the most time on outside of here.

For one, it's only $7B market cap. But more importantly, it just isn't mainstream enough. 
 

I think it will take off, especially as more people use it beyond the youngs. I spend more time there than here, and it's becoming a "google" for answers.

It's had two decades. I think it will continue to grow, but not Facebook-style hockey stick growth. It is so eccentric that I think it runs off "normals"  

And it's becoming Google for answers because Google updated their algorithms to heavily promote it. There's a $60 million deal for Google to use Reddit for training its AI, but the traffic that Google has pushed to them with that algo change is worth much, much more.

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One algo change and the value of the company will absolutely plummet.

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5 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I don't think it at all, and it's the website I spend the most time on outside of here.

For one, it's only $7B market cap. But more importantly, it just isn't mainstream enough. 

They also have been taking tens of millions in losses despite significant revenue growth (according to their filings)

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Their operating loss is greater than what it cost them to get that business in the first place for goodness sakes lol

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The fact that anyone would mod that place for free is wild to me. Especially after the CEO took home something like $200 million.

You want me to spend my time and energy moderating your content? Pay me.

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So if one were to launch a stock sale for say, $3bn?  And then then next day, for example, sell 1/3rd of that stock...would that affect the rest the outstanding share pricing?  Just asking for a friend.  

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On 3/22/2024 at 8:02 PM, FirstTimeCaller said:

The fact that anyone would mod that place for free is wild to me. Especially after the CEO took home something like $200 million.

You want me to spend my time and energy moderating your content? Pay me.

Consider the psychology of people whose time have such little value

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1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

Consider the psychology of people whose time have such little value

Mr. 16,000 posts is saying that to Mr. 5,000 posts on this website that's entirely a waste of time?

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Just now, FirstTimeCaller said:

Mr. 16,000 posts is saying that to Mr. 5,000 posts on this website that's entirely a waste of time?

Im posting for my own enjoyment. Im not babysitting you for the communitys (perceived) benefit. 
 

thats the difference between leisure and labor. 

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So if one were to launch a stock sale for say, $3bn?  And then then next day, for example, sell 1/3rd of that stock...would that affect the rest the outstanding share pricing?  Just asking for a friend.  

Guess your friend doesn’t have to worry anymore since that person doesn’t have to sell anymore …
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6 hours ago, YGIFS said:

Are the NYSE and NASDAQ different exchanges or am I just going senile?

Not sure the exact technical answer to the first question; for the second if you have to ask it is probably true.
The NYSE and NASDAQ are separate entities - some history on the NYSE https://www.nyse.com/history-of-nyse#:~:text=In 2008%2C the NYSE acquired,listing on NYSE in 2005.

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In the early 2000s, changes occurred across the NYSE. On November 16, 2005, Intercontinental Exchange (NYSE: ICE) listed on the NYSE. In 2006, the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE), Archipelago (Arca), and the Pacific Exchange (PCX) merged to form the publicly traded NYSE Group, ending membership ownership of the Exchange. In 2008, the NYSE acquired the American Stock Exchange, becoming the third largest U.S. options market. By 2013, ICE acquired the NYSE and remains the parent organization of the Exchange today.

NASDAQ is also a separate publicly traded exchange - https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/career-map/sell-side/capital-markets/nasdaq/

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The NASDAQ is a U.S.-based stock market exchange and the second-largest stock exchange by market cap globally. NASDAQ stands for National Association of Security Dealers Automated Quotations and is owned and operated by NASDAQ Inc.

 

Both ICE and NASDAQ, Inc. are publicly traded, and the largest investors are institutions like Black Rock, Vanguard, State Street, TRowe Price, Lazard,  etc - so it seems like it is a circle within a circle, or maybe just a big money manager circle jerk. 

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4 hours ago, bernorange said:

Did you buy it because you think it has value long term, or because you hope others will drive the price up so you can then sell?

Do any stocks really have value long term at current valuations??

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Anyone get in on the Truth Social action today?  
 

THIS IS NOT THE STONK THREAD

 

Also, is there an index fund of marine salvage corporations in the mid Atlantic coast?

 

NO ETF/Mutual fund - but here is a list https://swingtradebot.com/stocks-tagged-as/12125-salvage

 

 

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17 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

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Thanks for the replies and forgive my transgressions. Will do better on posting in the appropriate thread moving forward.

Also I probably should have added that the questions were mostly in jest and seeking comical responses. 

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Finally, a decent pullback in the market. Let's see if we can actually get some of the froth out of this market. 

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Stock prices drop a bit and yields tick up? I'll take both. Hell, give me a month of it, and I'd be happy. 

Now if oil would chill out a little bit.

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36 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Stock prices drop a bit and yields tick up? I'll take both. Hell, give me a month of it, and I'd be happy. 

Now if oil would chill out a little bit.

be careful what you wish for - you might just get the whole darn thing. I once heard these words from a wise may ( or maybe it was a wise guy )

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4 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I've been saying for a few months I don't think we're cutting this year.  

Yeah, I guess it was in the inflation thread, but I talked about not understanding that the consensus was there were going to be cuts.

Low unemployment, solid GDP, inflation still higher than 2%. What's the need to cut?

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Yeah, I guess it was in the inflation thread, but I talked about not understanding that the consensus was there were going to be cuts.

Low unemployment, solid GDP, inflation still higher than 2%. What's the need to cut?

The FED is going to get itself into a second, more disturbing pickle here really soon.  

 

One thing I've noticed lately, is there is a ton of heavy equipment/vehicle inventory in the market right now (both new and used) and I have a feeling we're going to start to see that creep down further into other consumer durables.  That's going to seriously way on economic activity, leading to a healthy pullback.

 

Secondly, if the FED stays off the cut train too long, they're going to get to a situation where a cut is going to look bad rather than inspire stimulus...i.e. they'll have to make too big a cut and that will spook the markets and business owners in a major way.   That will make the market have a wipeout pullback.  

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Yeah, I guess it was in the inflation thread, but I talked about not understanding that the consensus was there were going to be cuts.

Low unemployment, solid GDP, inflation still higher than 2%. What's the need to cut?

Well see, lots of really rich executives made a fuckton of money when interest rates were at zero. And now its harder to make money. Not so hard that they will discontinue stock buybacks, but hard enough that they can justify laying off another 10% of the company. 

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36 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

What's the need to cut?

 

I agree there isn't a economic reason to cut currently.  However, I've been consistently saying the fed is going to have to cut.  We have way, way, way too much debt rolling over to higher rates.  it will keep getting worse.

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I agree there isn't a economic reason to cut currently.  However, I've been consistently saying the fed is going to have to cut.  We have way, way, way too much debt rolling over to higher rates.  it will keep getting worse.

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This shit makes me furious. Gotta run up debt during the GFC? Understandable. Gotta run it up during Covid? Yes. (You can argue amounts being excessive, etc.)

But during the good times, you better be making changes to pay it back. Not continuing to spend like crazy and cutting taxes. I'd argue that 2010-2020 were good times and 2022-Today are good times. Instead, we just keep going.

When the next black swan hits, we going to run that shit to 200% of GDP?

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1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

This shit makes me furious. Gotta run up debt during the GFC? Understandable. Gotta run it up during Covid? Yes. (You can argue amounts being excessive, etc.)

But during the good times, you better be making changes to pay it back. Not continuing to spend like crazy and cutting taxes. I'd argue that 2010-2020 were good times and 2022-Today are good times. Instead, we just keep going.

When the next black swan hits, we going to run that shit to 200% of GDP?

Every single Congressman knows if they are the ones to usher in some austerity/balance the budget, they will never be re-elected. And the American public is too stupid to see any further than their next paycheck. 

There is only 1 solution. Congressional budget limits must be set by an independent committee, IE the fed. Congress can spend it however they wish but the Fed tells them what the limit is per year.

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2 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

This shit makes me furious. Gotta run up debt during the GFC? Understandable. Gotta run it up during Covid? Yes. (You can argue amounts being excessive, etc.)

But during the good times, you better be making changes to pay it back. Not continuing to spend like crazy and cutting taxes. I'd argue that 2010-2020 were good times and 2022-Today are good times. Instead, we just keep going.

When the next black swan hits, we going to run that shit to 200% of GDP?

Be ready to super rage.   Our debt doesn’t get paid down.  Our “debt payments” are only interest payments.  The principal rolls over

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