DT: COVID-19 - Let's talk about Fat fucks

[JohnnyRage 1617]

I want my 5 minute morning shit time back.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Edit--it won't let me edit due to time elapsed, but I should make it clear that the author of Fast Food Nation is Eric Schlosser.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4977]

11 hours ago, B00M said:

Speaking from personal experience, the biggest issue is trump and fox news down playing this rather than simply encouraging people to respect it and get healthy and wear masks. It's the only source of news for way too many high riskers.

It's not just Fox News. A couple or three weeks ago a was watching GMA on a friday (I think) morning as that is the only weekday I don't have to leave for work before the news, and they highlighted a "scary" story about how the coronavirus can basically kill random people. They talked about a guy who was a staff sergeant in the Army or something who got it and died shortly afterwards. They talked about how he had no comorbidities and how scary it was that anyone could get it and lose the covid lottery and die. They also showed his picture and he was probably 100 pounds overweight.

I'm not going to wade into the argument about whether we could have done this or that or should be doing this or that, but we have a clear problem with our messaging to the average (and below average) person in America. We all know deep down that being overweight comes with a lot of health risks, but we just choose to ignore it. And if somebody chooses not to ignore it they are met with hostility. See this thread for an example.

[StruggleBus 3922]

2 hours ago, idigTexas said:

Avatar checks out?  

For the record, I am 100% in favor of the obesity epidemic being discussed at all levels of the political spectrum, and it absolutely needs more media coverage.  It is a very serious and expensive problem.   This opinion piece primarily evaluates the Democratic candidates on this issue during last years campaigns, but the problem is with both sides.   

Fat shaming and scare tactics will work on a small percentage of people, but understanding the root causes and implementing real solutions goes way beyond "get your fat ass off the couch and eat more salad."  That is the same as telling a drug addict or smoker to just stop, or a depressed person to "be happy."  

If you feel strongly enough about it to bring it up here, do something useful, and write to your congressperson or news station.  

 

 

 

 

 

Sounds like something a fat ass middle-aged dude would say

[idigTexas 2290]

2 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Sounds like something a fat ass middle-aged dude would say

"Short" is spelled "S-H-O-R-T," not "S-T-R-U-G-G-L-E."  

[StruggleBus 3922]

[aggie08 21532]

38 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

It's not just Fox News. A couple or three weeks ago a was watching GMA on a friday (I think) morning as that is the only weekday I don't have to leave for work before the news, and they highlighted a "scary" story about how the coronavirus can basically kill random people. They talked about a guy who was a staff sergeant in the Army or something who got it and died shortly afterwards. They talked about how he had no comorbidities and how scary it was that anyone could get it and lose the covid lottery and die. They also showed his picture and he was probably 100 pounds overweight.

I'm not going to wade into the argument about whether we could have done this or that or should be doing this or that, but we have a clear problem with our messaging to the average (and below average) person in America. We all know deep down that being overweight comes with a lot of health risks, but we just choose to ignore it. And if somebody chooses not to ignore it they are met with hostility. See this thread for an example.

Literally everyone on this thread agrees that obesity is a major health crisis that we need to do way more to address. And that big business has a vested interest in keeping America fat and stupid. We don't do nearly enough, and it's a global embarrassment.

The discussion is the usefulness of the government stressing to the 100 pound overweight guy that he needs to lose weight ASAP lest he die of COVID. Especially when that demographic has such a large overlap with those who fight every government-issued health mandate and suggestion tooth and nail.

[Newdoc 3453]

I posted this in another Covid thread about a month ago "Obesity is an incredibly complex process and the variables that play into it are mind boggling (bottling). Y’all make some good points but it’s going to take a hard, substantial, multidisciplinary national effort to reel this problem back in.  And yes, we have to get big food out of our government (no CR)."

Here's some more points. I do have an area of my practice dedicated to obesity medicine.

1) For Covid, obesity makes a hard curve towards morbidity and mortality at a BMI of 40 and follows a curve almost exponentially the higher the BMI goes.

2) Insurers and the government don't pay for obesity. I can't use a primary code for obesity for many insurances even though it is the primary driver of all the other patient's health problems.  It has started to change a little. 

3) This country only continues to get heavier. Maybe 50% obesity rate (BMI >30) in adults by 2030. 

4) The number of direct and indirect health problems that arise from obesity is staggering. Think of it as a metabolic (diabetes), physical (sleep apnea) and psychological (depression) disease process. The parenthetical diagnosis I listed are a few of hundreds related to obesity.

There are posters on this thread arguing about which is worse, Covid or regular mortality from obesity. Y'all are both right. Think of Covid as the canary in the coal mine or an accelerant to expose the epidemic of obesity in our country.  We aren't going to change the course of these complications overnight but we are in a spiral downward as a country if we don't find the discipline to change it now.

Our news media isn't going to address it because they will lose ratings. Our politicians won't either because they are ignorant to the problem and they don't want to get voted out by a significant portion of the population who doesn't want to be called "fat". We really need to start at very young ages to tackle this problem because if you are obese going into your teenage years then chances are you stay that way.  But there are things we can do now to get people healthier. Unfortunately, our healthcare system is not set up to tackle this problem on a national population based scale.

[TXSG8R 3362]

19 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

LOL, virtually everyone is wearing them.  They are all but mandatory everywhere you go.  

Not here in Killeen / Bell County.  Every time I go to Lowes or HD, there is always a handful of people not wearing them.  I don't mean the half-ass exposed nose or chin diaper bullshit ,which is an even bigger number, I mean people with no masks anywhere on their person.   The stores have given up fighting it, or the cops told them to stop calling about it I guess.  Plenty of olds and fats in those groups of no or partial masks too.  

[Hornius Emeritus 12489]

On 11/24/2020 at 8:47 AM, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Remember when someone tried to do that with school lunches?  That went over great.

 Yep. It was immediately denounced as part of the globalist conspiracy to control every aspect of our lives.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4977]

11 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Literally everyone on this thread agrees that obesity is a major health crisis that we need to do way more to address. And that big business has a vested interest in keeping America fat and stupid. We don't do nearly enough, and it's a global embarrassment.

The discussion is the usefulness of the government stressing to the 100 pound overweight guy that he needs to lose weight ASAP lest he die of COVID. Especially when that demographic has such a large overlap with those who fight every government-issued health mandate and suggestion tooth and nail.

I'd counter that a large portion of the discussion is that we are ignoring the issue for the most part. Everyone knows it is an issue. But nobody really wants to talk that much about it. It's like arguing that we shouldn't talk about how smoking is bad because too many people smoke. Yeah, we shouldn't realistically expect that folks shed massive amounts of weight because of the pandemic, especially when gyms are and should be shut down, but we are sticking our fingers in our ears and singing lalala as a society when there is an actual issue (several helpings of the issue, actually) on the table that we need to address. 

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1084]

I for one will not stand for this discrimination against fat people.  I'm going to start an advocacy group.

 

[aggie08 21532]

41 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

I posted this in another Covid thread about a month ago "Obesity is an incredibly complex process and the variables that play into it are mind boggling (bottling). Y’all make some good points but it’s going to take a hard, substantial, multidisciplinary national effort to reel this problem back in.  And yes, we have to get big food out of our government (no CR)."

Here's some more points. I do have an area of my practice dedicated to obesity medicine.

1) For Covid, obesity makes a hard curve towards morbidity and mortality at a BMI of 40 and follows a curve almost exponentially the higher the BMI goes.

2) Insurers and the government don't pay for obesity. I can't use a primary code for obesity for many insurances even though it is the primary driver of all the other patient's health problems.  It has started to change a little. 

3) This country only continues to get heavier. Maybe 50% obesity rate (BMI >30) in adults by 2030. 

4) The number of direct and indirect health problems that arise from obesity is staggering. Think of it as a metabolic (diabetes), physical (sleep apnea) and psychological (depression) disease process. The parenthetical diagnosis I listed are a few of hundreds related to obesity.

There are posters on this thread arguing about which is worse, Covid or regular mortality from obesity. Y'all are both right. Think of Covid as the canary in the coal mine or an accelerant to expose the epidemic of obesity in our country.  We aren't going to change the course of these complications overnight but we are in a spiral downward as a country if we don't find the discipline to change it now.

Our news media isn't going to address it because they will lose ratings. Our politicians won't either because they are ignorant to the problem and they don't want to get voted out by a significant portion of the population who doesn't want to be called "fat". We really need to start at very young ages to tackle this problem because if you are obese going into your teenage years then chances are you stay that way.  But there are things we can do now to get people healthier. Unfortunately, our healthcare system is not set up to tackle this problem on a national population based scale.

Agree the messaging has to start early and persistently with children. Cafeteria menus need to change. Even then, these kids go home to their fat parents who certainly aren't going to change their habits or cook two separate meals. We essentially have to ask kids to take on the responsibility of either educating/guilt-tripping their parents or figuring out how to scavenge and prepare their own food at home. I think reversing the trend (especially in cities where the "healthy eating" business is already in full swing) can be accomplished in a couple of generations if we stay committed to it.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

 

20 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Read this again

Then this

And put the two together - the vector with this disease and the unhealthy is astronomical in terms of comorbidity factors.  Weight gain.  Adipose tissue and the spread of the virus.  Consideration for obesity and Vit D.  Cardiorespitory fitness levels and the virus.  The overall message is the severity of the virus on those that are obese and how this is such a non-factor for most?  The disconnect is staggering?  Especially with the mortality numbers for those that are obese

Some light reading on the topic

Dozens of articles on the subject

we just need some more PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!

[mchookem 16386]

21 hours ago, Hefeweizen said:

I mean, this is objectively true in Austin, but I went through New Braunfels Sunday morning and didn't see one person wearing a mask, plus none at the wildlife park except the lady selling tickets.  Every restaurant was packed too.  So no fucks given in Comal County.  I guess it all depends where you are.  We're fucking doomed.

i was in NE Texas last week (Anderson County)...best i could describe it, masks were an 'idea', they'd heard of them...🙄

i hit town and before i headed out to my dad's ranch i stopped at a liquor store, put on my mask, opened the door...and literally NOBODY inside had a mask, not even the clerks, not even around their chin like they were pretending. and everybody looked at me weird. 

i moved fast, grabbed my booze and GTFO of there. 

it was disconcerting to say the least. 

next day we headed into town to go to the one local draft house, almost exclusively outdoor seating, very spread out...but we had to go inside to order food. my dad and his friend - not even carrying a mask. i put mine on to go inside and he literally told me "you can take that off, you don't need a mask here" while looking around...i swear he was embarrassed his daughter was wearing a mask.

i just replied 'YEAH, I DO'. at least the folks behind the counter there wear wearing masks. 

it's disingenuous, especially in Texas, to act like just b/c there are ordinances that there aren't a ton of communities/areas where people are all 'fuck it'. 

[Captainant 27784]

6 minutes ago, mchookem said:

it's disingenuous, especially in Texas, to act like just b/c there are ordinances that there aren't a ton of communities/areas where people are all 'fuck it'. 

It's this catch-22 of dumbfuckery:

"It's not against the law to not wear a mask, so I won't"

...

"You can't make an ordinance to wear masks, that violates my freedoms!"

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

a quick search on the CDC website shows that the average US adult male is 198 and 5'9". I know there is always a claim that these men are most likely into body building and have 10% body fat but I don't buy that.  And since its average, for every "skinny" 170 lb guy, there is the extremely obese 230 lb guy. 

People shovel too much crap into their mouth. You can't work off 4000 calories at the gym. 

[Guest Lobo]

Them:  "Why you wearing a mask boy?"  

Me:  "So I don't catch what you have."

Them:  "We ain't got the China Flu here." 

Me:  "No, but you have the Stupid."  

I always thought of all the places in the "South" where mask-wearing would take hold, it'd be rural Texas.  Because of the manners and taking care of your neighbors mentality.  At the local diner--- I sneeze into my elbow, I hold the door for anyone behind me, I clean up if my kid makes a mess, and if I was around somebody yesterday that may have had the flu---I wear a mask indoors just in case.  

I've often thought that being stupid should hurt.  Covid-19 is here to prove that it certainly can.  

[Gladeite 375]

I think a lot of it has to do with what we eat here in the U.S.  Engineered flour and sugar in everything.  I am not an MD, but have my own observations.

My grown children are addicted to processed food, fast food, things that are not good for them.  They are just like drug addicts.  They can't help themselves and don't want to change, no matter the consequence.  

Every year, I spend about 1 month in Africa doing some work for national parks and game preserves.  I typically stay at a nice lodge or someone's farm for the trip.  I am thin, in shape and eat like a horse.  Typically lose 8 to 10 pounds while there.  The flour is ground in the back yard for the breads, puddings and cookies.  The sugar cane is harvested nearby.  The milk and butter are from the cows on the farm.  The preserves are made in camp, and all of the meat was killed that day or the day before.  Ate eggs, toast, potatoes for breakfast, some sort of lasagna like meal with bread for lunch, and some grilled meat, potatoes, bread and cake/pie/pudding for dessert for dinner.  No processed foods were consumed during the trip.    Some of it can be accounted for being very active and outdoors while there, but unprocessed food has to play a large part.

My next door neighbor's son wanted to work in Africa as a summer job.  I got him a job for 3 months in the summer at one of the preserves.  Typical US kid, freshman in college, over 6' and 40 pounds over weight.  When he got home, he looked like a different person.  Had lost all of the excess weight.  I asked the preserve owner if they did not feed him and their response was they had to increase their harvesting/food planning to account for how much he ate.  He did not work that hard.  Food had to be important in the weight loss.

 

[Captainant 27784]

7 minutes ago, Gladeite said:

I think a lot of it has to do with what we eat here in the U.S.  Engineered flour and sugar in everything.  I am not an MD, but have my own observations.

My grown children are addicted to processed food, fast food, things that are not good for them.  They are just like drug addicts.  They can't help themselves and don't want to change, no matter the consequence.  

Every year, I spend about 1 month in Africa doing some work for national parks and game preserves.  I typically stay at a nice lodge or someone's farm for the trip.  I am thin, in shape and eat like a horse.  Typically lose 8 to 10 pounds while there.  The flour is ground in the back yard for the breads, puddings and cookies.  The sugar cane is harvested nearby.  The milk and butter are from the cows on the farm.  The preserves are made in camp, and all of the meat was killed that day or the day before.  Ate eggs, toast, potatoes for breakfast, some sort of lasagna like meal with bread for lunch, and some grilled meat, potatoes, bread and cake/pie/pudding for dessert for dinner.  No processed foods were consumed during the trip.    Some of it can be accounted for being very active and outdoors while there, but unprocessed food has to play a large part.

My next door neighbor's son wanted to work in Africa as a summer job.  I got him a job for 3 months in the summer at one of the preserves.  Typical US kid, freshman in college, over 6' and 40 pounds over weight.  When he got home, he looked like a different person.  Had lost all of the excess weight.  I asked the preserve owner if they did not feed him and their response was they had to increase their harvesting/food planning to account for how much he ate.  He did not work that hard.  Food had to be important in the weight loss.

Well if people can't afford actually nutritious food, we can't just FEED people!! That would be socialism, damn the societal health repercussions of national obesity

[Continental Op 3934]

We're never going to solve the problem because Big Corn will never allow it. 

[Pato del Muerto 52605]

I try to source my food well. Our meats are from a nearby ranch that does grass fed cattle and hogs. It’s processed about an hour’s drive from them. The meats in my freezer have never been more than about 100 miles from my house. 
 

during the spring and summer, we participate in a farm share at a farm around 10 miles away that grows using biodynamic principles and very limited chemicals. 
 

but still, my cravings get the better of me and maybe for dinner I eat 1/2 pound of pork chops and a huge pile of potatoes. 
 

and even when I was jogging 2 miles a day I couldn’t get below 270. 
 

when I was a skinny kid, I used to be almost force fed via pressure to just eat the rest of whatever so we don’t have leftovers. I’m plenty old enough now to know better, but the urge to just finish the plate or just eat the rest of whatever so there’s no leftovers or waste is still there. 

Edited November 25, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[Lidig8r 1874]

4 hours ago, Newdoc said:

I posted this in another Covid thread about a month ago "Obesity is an incredibly complex process and the variables that play into it are mind boggling (bottling). Y’all make some good points but it’s going to take a hard, substantial, multidisciplinary national effort to reel this problem back in.  And yes, we have to get big food out of our government (no CR)."

Here's some more points. I do have an area of my practice dedicated to obesity medicine.

1) For Covid, obesity makes a hard curve towards morbidity and mortality at a BMI of 40 and follows a curve almost exponentially the higher the BMI goes.

2) Insurers and the government don't pay for obesity. I can't use a primary code for obesity for many insurances even though it is the primary driver of all the other patient's health problems.  It has started to change a little. 

3) This country only continues to get heavier. Maybe 50% obesity rate (BMI >30) in adults by 2030. 

4) The number of direct and indirect health problems that arise from obesity is staggering. Think of it as a metabolic (diabetes), physical (sleep apnea) and psychological (depression) disease process. The parenthetical diagnosis I listed are a few of hundreds related to obesity.

There are posters on this thread arguing about which is worse, Covid or regular mortality from obesity. Y'all are both right. Think of Covid as the canary in the coal mine or an accelerant to expose the epidemic of obesity in our country.  We aren't going to change the course of these complications overnight but we are in a spiral downward as a country if we don't find the discipline to change it now.

Our news media isn't going to address it because they will lose ratings. Our politicians won't either because they are ignorant to the problem and they don't want to get voted out by a significant portion of the population who doesn't want to be called "fat". We really need to start at very young ages to tackle this problem because if you are obese going into your teenage years then chances are you stay that way.  But there are things we can do now to get people healthier. Unfortunately, our healthcare system is not set up to tackle this problem on a national population based scale.

There is a lot of good points in this post.

I have been immersed in the eating disorder community for the last 4 years. And let me tell you bruthas, there is a fair amount of absolute craziness abound.

There is some pushback on BMI, that it is outdated and is not an accurate measure of health. To a certain extent, that is correct. But, the anti-BMI crusaders cannot come up with a valid, objective measure to replace it.

Then, there is the Health at Every Size (HAES) crowd. Good Lord! Try to discuss intelligently with them, their views and they burn down your house.

I do know in the next 3 - 4 months, a research study is going to be released showing a genetic predisposition to eating disorders among some obese people ... but not all obese people. That is going to start a shit storm.

But, genetics cannot be ignored when discussing obesity.

Now... continue on with the Surly type discussions.

[52-80 19253]

4 hours ago, Newdoc said:

I posted this in another Covid thread about a month ago "Obesity is an incredibly complex process and the variables that play into it are mind boggling (bottling). Y’all make some good points but it’s going to take a hard, substantial, multidisciplinary national effort to reel this problem back in.  And yes, we have to get big food out of our government (no CR)."

Here's some more points. I do have an area of my practice dedicated to obesity medicine.

1) For Covid, obesity makes a hard curve towards morbidity and mortality at a BMI of 40 and follows a curve almost exponentially the higher the BMI goes.

2) Insurers and the government don't pay for obesity. I can't use a primary code for obesity for many insurances even though it is the primary driver of all the other patient's health problems.  It has started to change a little. 

3) This country only continues to get heavier. Maybe 50% obesity rate (BMI >30) in adults by 2030. 

4) The number of direct and indirect health problems that arise from obesity is staggering. Think of it as a metabolic (diabetes), physical (sleep apnea) and psychological (depression) disease process. The parenthetical diagnosis I listed are a few of hundreds related to obesity.

There are posters on this thread arguing about which is worse, Covid or regular mortality from obesity. Y'all are both right. Think of Covid as the canary in the coal mine or an accelerant to expose the epidemic of obesity in our country.  We aren't going to change the course of these complications overnight but we are in a spiral downward as a country if we don't find the discipline to change it now.

Our news media isn't going to address it because they will lose ratings. Our politicians won't either because they are ignorant to the problem and they don't want to get voted out by a significant portion of the population who doesn't want to be called "fat". We really need to start at very young ages to tackle this problem because if you are obese going into your teenage years then chances are you stay that way.  But there are things we can do now to get people healthier. Unfortunately, our healthcare system is not set up to tackle this problem on a national population based scale.

 

you sound like a goalpost moving science denier who just want all our grandparents to die from covid. how dare you

[washparkhorn 9939]

22 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Are you suggesting we do what CA mandated

The restrictions aren't harsh in California. Californians overall are doing quite well comparatively. 

California's infection rate per 1M population is the 11th best in the nation.

Texas is doing relatively okay - 26th best - given their circumstances. 

The Dakotas are fucked - they are in the last two spots among the states (worst 10, include the Dakotas, Iowa (47), Wisconsin (46), Nebraska (45), Utah (44), Montana (43), Illinois (42), Idaho (41) and Wyoming (40)). Rural areas are getting hammered in the midwest and they are least equipped to handle outbreaks.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

So yes - be more like California - please. We need this nation back up and running.

[aggie08 21532]

45 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

 

you sound like a goalpost moving science denier who just want all our grandparents to die from covid. how dare you

Everyone on this thread is in complete agreement with him, and you still post this garbage. Typical.

[52-80 19253]

37 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Everyone on this thread is in complete agreement with him, and you still post this garbage. Typical.

So we went from

"We already spend billions [talking to children about healthy eating] and it's gotten us nowhere." "Obesity is whataboutism"

to "Everyone on this thread is in complete agreement"

so you flip flopped.  Typical.

[Kyle 207]

42 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Everyone on this thread is in complete agreement with him, and you still post this garbage. Typical.

All I can glean from this thread is it’s the usual sped kids throwing their feces at each other ... I assume one side is racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-Islamic, etc., for disagreeing with the Idiocracy of the other.

[washparkhorn 9939]

3 hours ago, mchookem said:

i put mine on to go inside and he literally told me "you can take that off, you don't need a mask here" while looking around...i swear he was embarrassed his daughter was wearing a mask.

I would like to think your dad is probably not embarrassed. If I had to guess, he was quickly reading the room to determine if he had to pistol-whip anyone to protect his daughter. I get that way with my 14 y.o. daughter (so proud of her) and her outspokenness.

Is some parts of the country, wearing a mask puts a target on you - a sure signal we are failing as a nation, in my opinion. Masks are so damn easy to wear until a vaccine is widely distributed. It is more than mildly infuriating to me, but . . . serenity now.

  

 

[aggie08 21532]

Just now, 52-80 said:

So we went from

"We already spend billions [talking to children about healthy eating] and it's gotten us nowhere." "Obesity is whataboutism"

to "Everyone on this thread is in complete agreement"

so you flip flopped.  Typical.

Again, for the 10th time, saying that obesity is a serious and extremely complex national health issue that needs to be addressed at a young age (you know, the bulk of his post) and telling fat adults that they need to lose weight immediately to combat COVID (in an extremely thinly veiled attempt to shift the blame) are completely different arguments. Don't you have a Colorado county to check up on?

[52-80 19253]

1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Again, for the 10th time, saying that obesity is a serious and extremely complex national health issue that needs to be addressed at a young age (you know, the bulk of his post) and telling fat adults that they need to lose weight immediately to combat COVID (in an extremely thinly veiled attempt to shift the blame) are completely different arguments. Don't you have a Colorado county to check up on?

From wanting to save any live possible, to "what a pointless thought exercise", back to "I guess from a if it saves one live perspective"...

...its okay to admit you're so enamored with me you'll twist backwards to try to get a jab in

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

and even when I was jogging 2 miles a day I couldn’t get below 270. 

It's basically a lie from the food industry that the nation's weight problem is due to a sedentary lifestyle. I'm not saying sitting around is good for you but a weight problem is due to excess of food/drink. Running 2 miles burns off less calories than you consume with a soft drink bottle.

The key to weight loss is about 95% in the kitchen. As soon as I hear someone say, "I'm starting up at gym again so I can lose weight", they've already failed. If you only hit up the gym or running at the park, I think you have a decent chance of gaining weight. Gym + restrictive diet = great chance of success.

[Newdoc 3453]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It's basically a lie from the food industry that the nation's weight problem is due to a sedentary lifestyle. I'm not saying sitting around is good for you but a weight problem is due to excess of food/drink. Running 2 miles burns off less calories than you consume with a soft drink bottle.

The key to weight loss is about 95% in the kitchen. As soon as I hear someone say, "I'm starting up at gym again so I can lose weight", they've already failed. If you only hit up the gym or running at the park, I think you have a decent chance of gaining weight. Gym + restrictive diet = great chance of success.

This times a 1000. You aren't exercising your way out of obesity. Interestingly enough, exercise shows a great propensity to maintain weight loss once it's gone. But we are talking at least 360 minutes a week.

Edited November 25, 2020 by Newdoc

[aggie08 21532]

4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

From wanting to save any live possible, to "what a pointless thought exercise", back to "I guess from a if it saves one live perspective"...

...its okay to admit you're so enamored with me you'll twist backwards to try to get a jab in

You're actually right. I revaluated my position and went from it's "pointless" at this stage to shift the media's COVID discussion towards obesity to "well, I guess it can't hurt even though we've pretty clearly seen the pushback even the most basic government-issued health recommendations have garnered" (paraphrasing). If you want to categorize that as a huge flip flop on my part, have at it.

Enamored with you? This is the only time I can remember ever addressing you other than telling you to stop being a bitch and cop up to your very hilarious mistake.

[XYZ 2154]

There are many industries that benefit from America being fat and sick, and I can’t think of any that would benefit from the opposite, therefore things will remain the way they are.

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

It's basically a lie from the food industry that the nation's weight problem is due to a sedentary lifestyle. I'm not saying sitting around is good for you but a weight problem is due to excess of food/drink. Running 2 miles burns off less calories than you consume with a soft drink bottle.

The key to weight loss is about 95% in the kitchen. As soon as I hear someone say, "I'm starting up at gym again so I can lose weight", they've already failed. If you only hit up the gym or running at the park, I think you have a decent chance of gaining weight. Gym + restrictive diet = great chance of success.

Excellent post.

Adding to what Newdoc mentioned, "food deserts" in America are a large problem for those who living in economically depressed areas. 

 

 

From WFAA in Dallas.

Edited November 25, 2020 by washparkhorn

[Judge Roybeanbag 11821]

1 hour ago, XYZ said:

There are many industries that benefit from America being fat and sick, and I can’t think of any that would benefit from the opposite, therefore things will remain the way they are.

It’s interesting, in Austin I’ve had the opportunity to work various geographic locations in town and that includes a couple of “food deserts”.  Current one being southeast Austin by McKinney Falls.  Where there aren’t grocery stores, it seems a lot of fast food places, taco stands and convenience stores fill the economic void.  Cheap, close and fast.  Well convenience stores aren’t cheap, but they are close.  The closest large grocery to my office is about 4 or 5 miles.  Yet within 2 miles, there are at least 4 convenience stores, McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy’s, Jack in the Box, Popeyes and about 10 other taco stands and small restaurants.  

Edited November 26, 2020 by Judge Roybeanbag

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

If you ate exclusively from a taco truck, you'd probably lose weight fast. (Avoiding cokes.) Not true with the American fast food places or the convenience stores.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

Yeah I don't understand the agenda here, though. What's the point of shaming fat people? Even fit countries have the same lockdowns we have to go through, so it's not like if America was where it was in the 50s mass-BMI-wise, the effects of the pandemic would be less. And it's not like the fats are somehow more contagious; in fact, more of them wind up in the extreme quarantine of the hospital ICU or the even more extreme quarantine of the grave. It's your asymptomatic crossfit maniac who's more apt to be a one-man superspreader. OP just seems to be another example in the ancient tradition of blaming and/or heaping scorn on some other in plague times.

Jews were blamed for the Black Death. We called it the Spanish flu even though it likely germinated in Kansas. I've read accounts of yellow fever epidemics in early Houston where the writers comforted themselves with the idea that German Houstonians were more likely to catch it and die. (When in fact it was because ze Germans lived on a peninsula jutting out into Buffalo Bayou, surrounded on two sides by stagnant water.) 

It's comforting to us both to cast blame and mark ourselves safe but it's also pointless at best and can lead to shit like pogroms at worst. 

[naija 2869]

On 11/24/2020 at 12:18 PM, aggie08 said:

Is OP really under the impression that obese people don't already realize that their weight puts them at greater risk for most health concerns, including this one? Like, seriously? "Hmm, I can deal with the looming threat of heart disease and diabetes. But COVID too? NOW I'll really change my habits and listen to my doctor because the government strenuously asked me to."

What an utterly pointless thought exercise.

you'd be surprised how many don't or flat out deny it.

[pearlandhorn 3274]

The human race on average doesn’t give a shit about themselves if they aren’t faced with a life or death situation. Look at the top 5 causes of death in this country. Most are slow sentences, if not all. Heart disease/stroke/cancers. Every single one of these causes of death is sped up by being obese. In actuality, people won’t worry about these until their 50s, and by that time, they’ll just let prescriptions take over to get their blood pressure right.

I’m 32 years old and I’m shocked at the number of people I encounter in their 30s and 40s who are already on BP meds, cholesterol meds. I lost 130 pounds by getting off my ass and doing something. I didn’t want to be like them. I’m now 6’2” and in the 180s. 
 

Bottom line: eat shit food, look like shit and feel like shit. This will cause you to not exercise. Eat good non processed food, feel good and look good. This will make exercising easier.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

11 hours ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Yeah I don't understand the agenda here, though. What's the point of shaming fat people?

I don’t think there is a fat shaming vibe here. Definitely no one is blaming them for covid, or displaying a I Told ya So attitude if they get very ill with covid. 

America needs to do a better job in educating people about weight and it’s consequences. One problem is that healthy diets and decent exercise levels doesn’t equate to corporate profits so no one really advocates for that like they are for bad diets and expensive healthcare options.

anyone that takes meds should always ask their doc are there behavior changes that could lead to fewer meds. I used to take nexium every day for close to a decade for Acid reflux. I finally had a GI tell me that he wouldn’t take it for himself long term and that I should be able control it 100% with behavior. I challenged myself to follow his advice and damned if he wasn’t right.