The Surly Official 2020 Corching Search Thread of DOOM and DESPAIR

[GTX Horn 1708]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

Wait I thought he’d be a huge improvement

I think he’d have us competing for conference championships on a regular basis (more so than Herman), but I don’t know whether or not he’d have us competing on a national level with teams like Clemson, Ohio State, Bama, etc.

[Chili dog 1787]

1 hour ago, Newy25 said:

 

I was about to say, until he drops dead from high blood pressure. 

That’s when we go after Traylor. 

[immamac 42842]

Can we hire Peyton Manning?

[Slacks 6819]

12 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Cow / calf type of deal.

They're not together right now... so... it's possible?

[Doc Reeves 6434]

 

7 minutes ago, immamac said:

Can we hire Peyton Manning?

 

Interesting name. You know if he has any interest in coaching? 

[Burt Macklin 19022]

49 minutes ago, Fud said:

It wouldn't surprise me if something similar happened with Campbell where Heacock gets the ISU job and a couple of guys stay for promotions, and then Campbell attempts to fill their spots with strong replacements. 

This is my biggest concern about Campbell. Heacock was with Campbell at Toledo and ISU, and I think there's a pretty strong argument that Heacock's defense has built Campbell's resume moreseo than Campbell's offense. Obviously, Campbell gets some of the credit as the HC for overall talent acquisition and development.  He's done a pretty good job with ISU's offense considering the talent deficiency and he's improved the offense every year as he gets more of his personnel in there, but his offensive numbers don't blow anyone away and he reminds me some of Herman's in that he's very rigid in his style and is prone to long bouts of not being able to move the ball.  For Heacock, having a top 28 defense three years in a row at ISU is extremely impressive.  I'd view Campbell as a much less attractive option if Heacock stays at ISU.  

Per S&P:

2015 (Toledo) O:60th, D 33rd

2016 (ISU):          81st, 67th

2017:                   13th, 88th

2018:                   59th, 28th

2019:                   42nd, 25th

2020:                   25th, 25th

Edited December 8, 2020 by Burt Macklin

[Fud 9552]

2 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

This is my biggest concern about Campbell. Heacock was with Campbell at Toledo and ISU, and I think there's a pretty strong argument that Heacock's defense has built Campbell's resume moreseo than Campbell's offense. Obviously, Campbell gets some of the credit as the HC for overall talent acquisition and development.  He's done a pretty good job with ISU's offense considering the talent deficiency and he's improved the offense every year as he gets more of his personnel in there, but his offensive numbers don't blow anyone away and he reminds me some of Herman's in that he's very rigid in his style and is prone to long bouts of not being able to move the ball.  For Heacock, having a top 28 defense three years in a row at ISU is extremely impressive.  I'd view Campbell as a much less attractive option if Heacock stays at ISU.  

Per S&P:

2015 (Toledo) O:60th, D 33rd

2016 (ISU):          81st, 67th

2017:                   13th, 88th

2018:                   59th, 28th

2019:                   42nd, 25th

2020:                   25th, 25th

He could keep Ash on, like Urban kept Strong on 

[RabidM 2666]

Muschamp is available as a Heacock replacement.

[Burt Macklin 19022]

7 minutes ago, Fud said:

He could keep Ash on, like Urban kept Strong on 

True. I feel good enough about Ash after this year, but Ash may look for another chance at a HC gig as soon as he can and then we're back in the same spot.  My main point is that the key on-the-field piece that seems to have gotten Campbell to where he is now isn't something he can reproduce on his own and we haven't seen him make any other DC hires to know if Heacock was a one-off or not, so it makes him a riskier take, but his offense is still a positive, and he seems capable of evaluating, developing, and instilling a strong culture, so he definitely checks off some boxes. I like seeing a guy at a place long enough for his own guys to get in there to see if he can recruit and develop to his system.  This was a big data point we were missing with Herman/Orlando. It's now clear in retrospect Orlando can't at all, and Herman hasn't done a very good job with OL or WR. 

One other positive on Campbell is I like his QB takes since he got to ISU.  Purdy's obviously the only one we've actually gotten to see play, but it seems like he's a pretty good QB evaluator from looking at his other takes.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Burt Macklin

[closetohumping 17440]

13 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

 

 

Interesting name. You know if he has any interest in coaching? 

I would assume no, but maybe.  He has his own show on ESPN and I read somewhere he turned down 15 mil to replace Witten on MNF.

[Levi 2586]

One thing with Campbell is I think he would bring a better all around culture than Charlie or Herman brought. I know we’ve says that about each coach that has came here but with Campbell that’s a must have if you are going to continually show success at a place like ISU. 

[NavyHorn 36]

While we’re talking about coaches we won’t get who’d have an easier run at a title here....think Kirby Smart is tired of losing to Bama?

[gmr548 16576]

While we’re talking about coaches we won’t get who’d have an easier run at a title here....think Kirby Smart is tired of losing to Bama?

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

4 minutes ago, NavyHorn said:

While we’re talking about coaches we won’t get who’d have an easier run at a title here....think Kirby Smart is tired of losing to Bama?

Herman beat Kirby, do not want

[WBT 20563]

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

The "learn the job" issue I've heard but I would really like to know why not. I know most will say experience, bbs in the box, politics but there are plenty who have done it and won (Oklahoma, Texas Tech-Kliff).

I must have missed the winning part of Kliff's Tech tenure.

[4th&Five 41526]

Just now, longhornmatt said:

Kirby is going to get tired of losing to more teams than just Bama if this year is any indication.  Multiple years of recruiting on par with Saban should not lead to a mediocre team like the one he has now, or having to scramble for not one but two transfer QBs to play immediately.

Letting Fields walk killed them.

Edited December 8, 2020 by 4th&Five

[Michael Knight 12977]

 

[NavyHorn 36]

10 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Kirby is going to get tired of losing to more teams than just Bama if this year is any indication.  Multiple years of recruiting on par with Saban should not lead to a mediocre team like the one he has now, or having to scramble for not one but two transfer QBs to play immediately.

This. I live in Georgia currently. Let no one deceive you that GA fans are trash too, throwing shit at you for wearing a different team trash. Oklahoma of the South. Extraordinary expectations every year as well that they are getting tired of being not met. Just have to wonder how long he’s got, and whether it would be a net upgrade over Herman. 

[The Beast 585]

10 minutes ago, WBT said:

I must have missed the winning part of Kliff's Tech tenure.

You would take Kliff in a fucking second if he wanted to leave the NFL.

[closetohumping 17440]

9 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Lol at Dennis Dodds.  Matt Campbell is going to hold out for only Ohio State or Notre Dame when both those schools have successful coaches already entrenched?   Just going to chill for 15 years making half the money he could make at a big school, hoping his star doesn’t fade if Iowa State regresses to the mean, so he can strike while the iron is hot in 2038 when Ohio State opens up?

I think Campbell is older than Day.  Day can be there for a long ass time.  Kelly is old though, but ND's first call will be to Urban and he'd likely say yes.

[The Beast 585]

So we good if it's will muschamp for hc?

[Rimbo 25921]

1 hour ago, Snacks said:

I want Sterlin Gilbert back as OC.  

Now, see, I was wondering why folks might think that Kubiak would be a bad hire. Then I see comments like this, along with the "Tom Herman will be back next year" hand-wringing, and I've got my answer:

Some of y'all are really, really stupid.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Rimbo

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

25 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Lol at Dennis Dodds.  Matt Campbell is going to hold out for only Ohio State or Notre Dame when both those schools have successful coaches already entrenched?   Just going to chill for 15 years making half the money he could make at a big school, hoping his star doesn’t fade if Iowa State regresses to the mean, so he can strike while the iron is hot in 2038 when Ohio State opens up?

This.  Like Campbell couldn't leave Texas or Michigan if he truly wanted to take the Notre Dame job when it opens up 5+ years from now.

[ClubWhatever 12134]

20 minutes ago, The Beast said:

You would take Kliff in a fucking second if he wanted to leave the NFL.

Fuuuuuuuuuuck no.

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

22 minutes ago, The Beast said:

You would take Kliff in a fucking second if he wanted to leave the NFL.

Why would I take a guy who couldn't coach in college and then spent this year and last showing he couldn't coach in the NFL.

He had fucking Patrick Mahomes and never won more than 7 games with him.

[Vertigo 20276]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

Yeah, I can't say "excited" yet, but I've been a fan of Campbell from the jump. I found a thread where I was bragging on him in 2017 on Shaggy the other day. I guess with thinking we could get Meyer, nothing looks as awesome as it did before. Anyway, I'd be happy with Campbell and would find ways to get excited by the opening game of 2021. 

I also like Campbell, I think he makes the most sense out of all of the remaining candidates. Going back to the midwest guy thing, I saw somewhere that Michigan may be a place that snaps him up if we don't. He would kill it at Michigan, which means he could also kill it here.

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

1 minute ago, Vertigo said:

I also like Campbell, I think he makes the most sense out of all of the remaining candidates. Going back to the midwest guy thing, I saw somewhere that Michigan may be a place that snaps him up if we don't. He would kill it at Michigan, which means he could also kill it here.

I don't think Michigan is ready to fire Harbaugh yet.  There was report that Michigan was looking to extend Harbaugh with a deal that had lower guaranteed dollars and a smaller buyout - thats the kind of move you make when you are going to give a guy one more year before you fire him, but you don't want a 'lame-duck' season killing your recruiting.

[Wally Pryor 5261]

With so few options remaining, Campbell is a no brainer.    If he's not been contacted yet then something's really wrong. 

[The Beast 585]

9 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Why would I take a guy who couldn't coach in college and then spent this year and last showing he couldn't coach in the NFL.

He had fucking Patrick Mahomes and never won more than 7 games with him.

Get a good DC (muschamp) and I sure would.

[The Beast 585]

14 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Fuuuuuuuuuuck no.

But Gary Kubiak is a better option. Lulz.

[Vertigo 20276]

3 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

I don't think Michigan is ready to fire Harbaugh yet.  There was report that Michigan was looking to extend Harbaugh with a deal that had lower guaranteed dollars and a smaller buyout - thats the kind of move you make when you are going to give a guy one more year before you fire him, but you don't want a 'lame-duck' season killing your recruiting.

Had he been gang raped at the 50 yard line in Columbus this weekend on national television, I think that would have swayed sentiment dramatically. Yay Rona?. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

This thread:

 

 

[C-Man 27218]

44 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Letting Fields walk killed them.

Yep. Hitched their wagon to the wrong QB.

[MoJames 8244]

1 minute ago, Doc Reeves said:

Or we could go with Texas Longhorn sports since Colt's arm went limp.

[Tex Pete 20348]

39 minutes ago, NavyHorn said:

This. I live in Georgia currently. Let no one deceive you that GA fans are trash too, throwing shit at you for wearing a different team trash. Oklahoma of the South. Extraordinary expectations every year as well that they are getting tired of being not met. Just have to wonder how long he’s got, and whether it would be a net upgrade over Herman. 

They talked plenty of shit before the Sugar Bowl. Then Uga fucked around and found out. 

[NavyHorn 36]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

They talked plenty of shit before the Sugar Bowl. Then Uga fucked around and found out. 

Brooooo it was nonstop here. From the jump Bevo was havin none of it and we took that energy straight into the game. Didn’t even get the chance to properly gloat cause then came all the “we didn’t really want to be there” excuses. Nah, fuck y’all and the dawg you rode in on. I never despised GA and their fans as much until I lived here. As they say in SCAR, to hell with Georgia. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

29 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Or we could go with Texas Longhorn sports since Colt's arm went limp.

Needs to be in MUCHO slower motion then

[Tex Pete 20348]

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Yeah, I can't say "excited" yet, but I've been a fan of Campbell from the jump. I found a thread where I was bragging on him in 2017 on Shaggy the other day. I guess with thinking we could get Meyer, nothing looks as awesome as it did before. Anyway, I'd be happy with Campbell and would find ways to get excited by the opening game of 2021. 

Dude, you clearly have too much time on your hands. And you should probably think about washing them...if you've been scrolling around shaggy.

[Getafix 28604]

6 hours ago, IDIOTsavant said:

How would she know? She's never been in my kitchen either.

 

But have you been in HERS?  

 

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

1 hour ago, The Beast said:

So we good if it's will muschamp for hc?

No

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

LIstening to one of those Jeff Howe / Rod Babers / Annoying Constant Talker Who Doesn't Take a Breath Guy podcasts and Jeff had a thought regarding CDC and this hire:

Alabama is coming to DKR in 2021.  Thats going to be a national TV game, likely with GameDay, that Texas can use to show off their new SEZ and other new facilities.  CDC is going to want a coach that can be ready in Year 2 to stand toe-to-toe with Saban on that field and not embarrass CDC/University on a national stage.  Reduces any chance of Herman sticking around for a year and Texas having to break in a new coach in that season.

Does it change anything on the coaching search?  I think it probably lessons any chance that Texas takes a flier on a guy with limited experience like Traylor or a current Coordinator like Elliot.

It might be enough to cause CDC to over-value a coach with experience like Cristobal. 

[Ricky Butler 2706]

7 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Annoying Constant Talker Who Doesn't Take a Breath Guy

I pissed my pants.

[BurntOrange&White 39931]

If that kind of shit is going into our thought process for this coaching search were beyond fucked. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Cristobal has eliminated himself (not just based on this season) just as Franklin (based on this season alone) has. And that’s a good thing. 

You're right.  So, less about the actual name and more about over-valuing the experience and ignoring mediocre'ness.

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

If that kind of shit is going into our thought process for this coaching search we're beyond fucked. 

Aren't we?

[ztejas 43419]

12 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Alabama is coming to DKR in 2021. 

2022*

[ClubWhatever 12134]

5 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

I pissed my pants.

I put the play speed on 3X

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

2022*

Fuck.  Thank you - I meant two seasons from now but I'm too dumb to add.

[Errestaurants 2570]

20 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

LIstening to one of those Jeff Howe / Rod Babers / Annoying Constant Talker Who Doesn't Take a Breath Guy podcasts and Jeff had a thought regarding CDC and this hire:

Alabama is coming to DKR in 2021.  Thats going to be a national TV game, likely with GameDay, that Texas can use to show off their new SEZ and other new facilities.  CDC is going to want a coach that can be ready in Year 2 to stand toe-to-toe with Saban on that field and not embarrass CDC/University on a national stage.  Reduces any chance of Herman sticking around for a year and Texas having to break in a new coach in that season.

Does it change anything on the coaching search?  I think it probably lessons any chance that Texas takes a flier on a guy with limited experience like Traylor or a current Coordinator like Elliot.

It might be enough to cause CDC to over-value a coach with experience like Cristobal. 

Lol. If CDC is looking to hire a coach that can stand up to Satan and Bama in 2 years, well shit... that ship seemingly sailed off this weekend without us. 

[Chili dog 1787]

2 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said:

They didn’t want to be there. It was obvious as ever. Otherwise it would have been a 4-OT loss. But I’m serious, they did not want to be there. I don’t know why we care. Who gives a fuck. 

They might not have wanted to be there, but they also didn’t want to get their stools pushed in the way they did. That game was nowhere near as close as the final score indicated, and it wasn’t because Georgia just decided not to play. They assumed they’d beat our asses and they got punched in the face. It happens.