The Surly Official 2020 Corching Search Thread of DOOM and DESPAIR

[elguapo 4586]

8 minutes ago, UT Lax said:

Traylor (or another small school coach) makes a lot of sense if UT thinks outside the box and only provides a 3 year incentive-laden contract, particularly if he keeps a lot of Herman's assistants since Traylor does not have a ton of eperience with other highly thought of assistants. We need a sellable plan to the BMDs that we can buy out Herman and his assistants, yet not cost much more than if we kept Herman. Herman has $18.75mn left for the final 3 years of his deal and a $15mn buyout. If you only guaranteed Traylor $4.5mn over 3 years, you are risking $750k more than if we kept Herman, but you get rid of the smug, asshole Herman! 

Why do we have to keep giving these G5 coaches a 5 year $5mn per year guaranteed contract coming off $1-$2mn contracts at their small schools?  This just leads to our constant cycle of locking into the wrong guy and having to beg big donors to buyout bad contracts. 

We should reset how contracts in football are made by finding coaches who are hungry to win at UT. Offer a short-term incentive-laden contract, which is say 3 years and a $1.5mn per season. But, you get a $2mn bonus for a 10 win season, an added $1.5mn bonus if you beat OU, an added $2mn bonus if you win a conference championship, an added $2 million bonus if you make the playoffs, an added $2mn bonus if you make the championship game and another $2 mn bonus if you win the National Championship. So, we are only guaranteeing $4.5mn over 3 years, but a coach can make up to $13mn and should make at least $5mn (win 10 games and beat OU or win conference).  We can always extend 2 years if he is a badass for recruiting purposes. We can also offer EVERYTHING we offered Meyer like $3mn for assistants, complete control and his own assistant AD for recruiting who can coordinate player “imaging rights” with big donors going forward, etc. That way we have some institutional deniability and reason to fire with cause yet provide CDC and Hartzell some cover should the new assistant AD/new coach get caught stretching the limits by a completely neutered NCAA (i.e. we won't be punished by the NCAA bc we will be doing what every $EC school does)

Coaches like Jamey Chadwell (who has worked miracles at Coastal Carolina, which did not even have football 4 years ago, and who makes just $375,000), Jeff Traylor (who makes a base of $800k at UTSA), or Bill Napier (who only makes $880k and up to just $950k at Louisiana Lafayette) would totally jump at this contract offer! They would just want the chance to be the UT coach, much less double or more their base salary and have a potential to make $5mn+ just for meeting expectations and up to $13mn in a year.

Of course, this is too logical and if we hired Traylor it would be for 5 years and $25mn guaranteed and we will likely be back to begging donors for a $25mn buyout and publicly failing in trying to offer Dabo $100mn  over 5 years and he turns us down, then we hire another G5 coach to fire 3 years later, rinse and repeat.

[Not a Sock 2313]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Josh Pate at 247 said that he thinks Auburn is keeping Gus despite being on the hot seat. That and Harbaugh potentially staying put makes us the only job worth a lick that is going to be open this year and these are the best names we can come up with? Outside of Mullen and Campbell none of the other big time programs would touch any of these candidates. 

Yeah everybody knows true power house programs would never hire a coach unless they are proven winners, hiring Coordinators and young hungry coaches is for scrub ass programs like squints Ohio State and OU.

[Bevo 13579]

14 minutes ago, UT Lax said:

Why do we have to keep giving these G5 coaches a 5 year $5mn per year guaranteed contract coming off $1-$2mn contracts at their small schools?  This just leads to our constant cycle of locking into the wrong guy and having to beg big donors to buyout bad contracts. 

Because their agents ask for it.

[Tex-19 2872]

How is it possible that the names are getting worse? Neal Brown? Traylor? People are ok with those names but not Campbell? lol

[closetohumping 17453]

2 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

How is it possible that the names are getting worse? Neal Brown? Traylor? People are ok with those names but not Campbell? lol

Could be IT trying to hook traylor up or make us be overjoyed by campbell

[closetohumping 17453]

19 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Yes. 

For the record, I don't loathe Texas at all.  I've always had good interactions with Texas fans online and in real life.  It was obvious to me that Nebraska, Aggy, and the other malcontents were a bigger problem in the 2010-11 realignment drama than Texas and OU, and they were wildly hypocritical in their accusations towards Texas.

But when people bitch about Texas, that's the exact kind of shit they're referencing.

Listen we’re not all boorish assholesand there’s no polite way to say this but if it weren’t for us schools like ISU, KSU and TCU would be competing with bowling green in the Mac 

[Duane Moore 5246]

4 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

How is it possible that the names are getting worse? Neal Brown? Traylor? People are ok with those names but not Campbell? lol

You must have missed Sonny Dykes

[NoName 16355]

10 minutes ago, UT Lax said:

Why do we have to keep giving these G5 coaches a 5 year $5mn per year guaranteed contract coming off $1-$2mn contracts at their small schools?  This just leads to our constant cycle of locking into the wrong guy and having to beg big donors to buyout bad contracts. 

We should reset how contracts in football are made by finding coaches who are hungry to win at UT. Offer a short-term incentive-laden contract, which is say 3 years and a $1.5mn per season. But, you get a $2mn bonus for a 10 win season, an added $1.5mn bonus if you beat OU, an added $2mn bonus if you win a conference championship, an added $2 million bonus if you make the playoffs, an added $2mn bonus if you make the championship game and another $2 mn bonus if you win the National Championship. So, we are only guaranteeing $4.5mn over 3 years, but a coach can make up to $13mn and should make at least $5mn (win 10 games and beat OU or win conference).  We can always extend 2 years if he is a badass for recruiting purposes. We can also offer EVERYTHING we offered Meyer like $3mn for assistants, complete control and his own assistant AD for recruiting who can coordinate player “imaging rights” with big donors going forward, etc. That way we have some institutional deniability and reason to fire with cause yet provide CDC and Hartzell some cover should the new assistant AD/new coach get caught stretching the limits by a completely neutered NCAA (i.e. we won't be punished by the NCAA bc we will be doing what every $EC school does)

do...do you really know know why?

If we didn't pay Tom Herman that much, LSU would have and it would have beeen a quick and easy decision for them. Or any of the other schools after these dudes.

if you have Option A that guarantees you say $5 million over 3 years with the potential ability to earn another say $15 million in incentives or you have Option B that guarantees you $5 million over 5 years which one are you going to take?

A guaranteed $3 million / year would currently rank you #54 in the Coaches Hot Seat rankings. Even if you take that, someone else is going to come in and offer say $6 million (which would rank you about #15 on the list) and guarantee years leading you just tearing up the current deal for a new one like 1 or 2 years or risk losing your coach.

No one is ever going to take the option that leaves that much money on the table - nor should they.

In fact, Texas should be doing the opposite to attract the biggest talents - offer $Texas then offer a shitload of incentives on top of it.

You want to shit all over Texas hiring G5 coaches but those are the only ones that are ever going to take that deal - you end up in basically the same situation you are now, hoping lightning strikes for you.

Jeff Traylor makes $1.25 million right now at UTSA. Why would he take a job offer from Texas offering him another $250k guaranteed a year when if he wins this year and next year he can set himself up for significantly more guaranteed dollars 12 months down the road?

 

[The Beast 585]

1 hour ago, BonzoMontreaux said:

Justin Wells on The Horn...

Believes Urban is still in Play

Traylor should get the shot if Urban doesn't pan out.

What happens on Surly influences the world...

Ohhhh god no

[Hank Chinaski 6315]

53 minutes ago, NoName said:

Coaching history...

 

I know nothing about Daboll, but both Bellichick and Saban hired him more than once. Not that that per se qualifies him for the job, but it is notable. 

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

6 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

Yeah everybody knows true power house programs would never hire a coach unless they are proven winners, hiring Coordinators and young hungry coaches is for scrub ass programs like squints Ohio State and OU.

Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops handed those programs down to coordinators that were probably on pace to leave for high P5 or NFL jobs. Tom Herman getting canned and having Neal Brown rebuild with his guys is a very different story. And my point was really that we haven't heard better names that would be realistic like Fickell or Freeze (not advocating for either but they would be higher than these other names).

[Burt Macklin 19038]

1 hour ago, RGBIII said:

Nahlin says the Houston BMDs have been talking a lot about Tony Elliot

If we do end up hiring Elliott, I expect a lot of Surly to quickly find Jesus and start tithing very generously on a regular basis.  

[The Dog 44066]

8 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

How is it possible that the names are getting worse? Neal Brown? Traylor? People are ok with those names but not Campbell? lol

Gotta go really low to make Kubiak look appealing. 

[4th&Five 41563]

We’re so far down the list I’m having to google where some of these guys are even coaching these days. 

[Tex-19 2872]

Has there been any 9.95 info on how realistic Mullen is? I still think total longshot but who knows. He's a clear #1 if possible

Daboll is an interesting sleeper candidate but doubtful given no HC experience and mainly NFL

Elliott is a tough read for me. Seems like a major up and comer but previous Clemson OCs have done terribly as HCs. Has to be lower on the list

[Chili dog 1787]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops handed those programs down to coordinators that were probably on pace to leave for high P5 or NFL jobs. Tom Herman getting canned and having Neal Brown rebuild with his guys is a very different story. And my point was really that we haven't heard better names that would be realistic like Fickell or Freeze (not advocating for either but they would be higher than these other names).

Who handed OU down to then-DC Bob Stoops? Not saying a coordinator should be our first second or third option. Just saying a coordinator has done it before. 

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

Listen we’re not all boorish assholesand there’s no polite way to say this but if it weren’t for us schools like ISU, KSU and TCU would be competing with bowling green in the Mac 

You say it like we don’t know it and haven’t had it rubbed in our faces forever.

[Tex Pete 20402]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

And we all expect him to move on.  Always have.  It would just really, really, really, really suck for him to move to a job that has him on the schedule annually.  Campbell to Texas is a (much) tougher pill to swallow than Campbell to Ohio State.  It's like the hottest, coolest chick you ever dated dumping you for your brother because he's richer, and then having to sit across the table from them every fucking Christmas for the rest of your damn life.  You always knew she was out of your league, but you figured if she dumps you, she's going to move to the next town over and you won't cross paths much, if at all.  Nope.  She's passing the turkey to grandma.

Just know we are all (except for our couple of toothless Sooner posters) rooting for y'all to win the conference this year.

[UT Lax 16]

4 minutes ago, NoName said:

do...do you really know know why?

If we didn't pay Tom Herman that much, LSU would have and it would have beeen a quick and easy decision for them. Or any of the other schools after these dudes.

if you have Option A that guarantees you say $5 million over 3 years with the potential ability to earn another say $15 million in incentives or you have Option B that guarantees you $5 million over 5 years which one are you going to take?

A guaranteed $3 million / year would currently rank you #54 in the Coaches Hot Seat rankings. Even if you take that, someone else is going to come in and offer say $6 million (which would rank you about #15 on the list) and guarantee years leading you just tearing up the current deal for a new one like 1 or 2 years or risk losing your coach.

No one is ever going to take the option that leaves that much money on the table - nor should they.

In fact, Texas should be doing the opposite to attract the biggest talents - offer $Texas then offer a shitload of incentives on top of it.

You want to shit all over Texas hiring G5 coaches but those are the only ones that are ever going to take that deal - you end up in basically the same situation you are now, hoping lightning strikes for you.

Jeff Traylor makes $1.25 million right now at UTSA. Why would he take a job offer from Texas offering him another $250k guaranteed a year when if he wins this year and next year he can set himself up for significantly more guaranteed dollars 12 months down the road?

 

Because he jumps from one year at UTSA to the head coach of the Texas Longhorns!  Make it $2mn guaranteed per year over 3 years, but if he just meets reasonable expectations (10+wins when you play a minimum of 13 games most of which are against suckass B12 and either beat OU which is a 50/50 probability or win the Big 12 which should be a 30-40% probability), you make $5.5mn to $7.5mn or 6-7x what you are making at UTSA! If you don't make those expectations every couple of years, you are likely to be fired from UT anyway!

[NoName 16355]

6 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops handed those programs down to coordinators that were probably on pace to leave for high P5 or NFL jobs. Tom Herman getting canned and having Neal Brown rebuild with his guys is a very different story. And my point was really that we haven't heard better names that would be realistic like Fickell or Freeze (not advocating for either but they would be higher than these other names).

people just keep bringing up these situations like they are the same situation we are in when they very, very clearly are not.

promoting from guys who are already on staff and generally were for a few years != hiring a young coordinator out of the blue.

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

 

[Tex Pete 20402]

Just now, Chili dog said:

Who handed OU down to then-DC Bob Stoops? Not saying a coordinator should be our first second or third option. Just saying a coordinator has done it before. 

Well, OU was coming of HC dynamoes Gary Gibbs-->Howard Schnellenberger-->John Blake. They were pretty damned desperate at the time.

[NoName 16355]

1 minute ago, Chili dog said:

Who handed OU down to then-DC Bob Stoops? Not saying a coordinator should be our first second or third option. Just saying a coordinator has done it before. 

1999 != 2020

[Not a Sock 2313]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops handed those programs down to coordinators that were probably on pace to leave for high P5 or NFL jobs. Tom Herman getting canned and having Neal Brown rebuild with his guys is a very different story. And my point was really that we haven't heard better names that would be realistic like Fickell or Freeze (not advocating for either but they would be higher than these other names).

Who gives a fuck about big name? That right there is the problem with Texas it care more about it’s image any actual substance. Maybe do a through search and interview candidates and pick one with the best fit and plan and the hottest flavor of the month. Lincoln Riley is a perfect example he has been the head coach of OU longer than he was a fucking OC of a P5 team, with in 5 years he went form OC of ECU to head coach of OU.

[Chili dog 1787]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

Well, OU was coming of HC dynamoes Gary Gibbs-->Howard Schnellenberger-->John Blake. They were pretty damned desperate at the time.

Absolutely. Again, I’m not saying that’s the route we need to go; I’m just saying it can work out, whether you come to the decision out of extreme courage or desperation. 

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

5 minutes ago, NoName said:

people just keep bringing up these situations like they are the same situation we are in when they very, very clearly are not.

promoting from guys who are already on staff and generally were for a few years != hiring a young coordinator out of the blue.

Yep. Would be willing to bet that Tom taking over OSU and Day took over here would have relatively similar results. They are probably not playoff locks but Tom definitely is not on the hot seat in year 4. 

[Burt Macklin 19038]

1 minute ago, Not a Sock said:

Who gives a fuck about big name? That right there is the problem with Texas it care more about it’s image any actual substance. Maybe do a through search and interview candidates and pick one with the best fit and plan and the hottest flavor of the month. Lincoln Riley is a perfect example he has been the head coach of OU longer than he was a fucking OC of a P5 team, with in 5 years he went form OC of ECU to head coach of OU.

There's a pretty big difference you're missing.  OU and tOSU got years to learn about Day and Riley while they worked at those schools as coordinators. It makes them way less of a crap shoot, and they also took over programs that were already having success, so all they had to do was keep things rolling.  That's completely different than hiring a guy who's never been a HC from a different school where you have way less knowledge about how he'll handle the new aspects of the job, and the pressure that comes running one of the nation's biggest football programs in the middle of turmoil and having to select your entire staff from scratch.

I'm not saying coordinators can never work and I hope our Admin is thoroughly investigating every reasonable candidate without disqualifying people who've never been a HC before, but there's no comparison to what tOSU and OU did recently.  There's way more issues and unknowns involved for Texas.  

[Not a Sock 2313]

3 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

There's a pretty big difference you're missing.  OU and tOSU got years to learn about Day and Riley while they worked at those schools as coordinators. It makes them way less of a crap shoot, and they also took over programs that were already having success, so all they had to do was keep things rolling.  That's completely different than hiring a guy who's never been a HC from a different school where you have way less knowledge about how he'll handle the new aspects of the job, and the pressure that comes running one of the nation's biggest football programs in the middle of turmoil and having to select your entire staff from scratch.

I'm not saying coordinators can never work and I hope our Admin is thoroughly investigating every reasonable candidate without disqualifying people who've never been a HC before, but there's no comparison to what tOSU and OU did recently.  There's way more issues and unknowns involved for Texas.  

I just have so little faith in this program to have any sort of vision or long term plan or goal. That maybe having a shitty coaching market might actually force this program to start turning stones and digging deep in guys like Elliot and Traylor instead of hiring the newest shiny toy and shouting We’re Texas at the top of their lungs.

[4th&Five 41563]

18 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Well, OU was coming of HC dynamoes Gary Gibbs-->Howard Schnellenberger-->John Blake. They were pretty damned desperate at the time.

They also paid Stoops $625k in ‘99. A little different kind of investment today. 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

30 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

That is what Art Briles did at Houston and Baylor. Except his versino of nasty ugly guys were rapist. But none the less that is a recipe to quickly turn things around. Especially if you have a staff that is competent and can coach them up. There are two things that aren't coachable in football and they are size and speed. Most especially the latter of that sentence. When it comes to 3/4 stars I believe I said in another thread but I'd take the much faster 3 star over the 4 star unless there was a glaring issue such as dropped passes and etc.

[closetohumping 17453]

So plane was in Clemson?   Could be kicking tires on Elliot or venables.  How would anyone feel about urban bringing one of them as hciw ?   I know that is a long ass shot

[closetohumping 17453]

36 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

Who is Key?

 

got damn IT trying to get traylor a raise?

[Getafix 28683]

48 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Listen we’re not all boorish assholesand there’s no polite way to say this but if it weren’t for us schools like ISU, KSU and TCU would be competing with bowling green in the Mac 

 

1) "Listen we’re not all boorish assholes"

2) Boorish asshole: "and there’s no polite way to say this but if it weren’t for us schools like ISU, KSU and TCU would be competing with bowling green in the Mac"

3) But please remember #1

[clapclapclap 9000]

1 hour ago, bullzak said:

Are we really going to hire some nobody?

Next you're going to tell me there is no Santa Claus. 

The corn fairies are real.

[C-Man 27233]

45 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

Lincoln Riley is a perfect example he has been the head coach of OU longer than he was a fucking OC of a P5 team, with in 5 years he went form OC of ECU to head coach of OU.

Look, I've always liked Lincoln Riley. I think he's a terrific coach. I liked him a lot better before he joined Stoops. But he is simply carrying on what Stoops built. Things were running pretty smoothly there. There's a reason are firing Herman in the coming weeks -- if not days. Shit's borked, yo.

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

2 minutes ago, Getafix said:

 

1) "Listen we’re not all boorish assholes"

2) Boorish asshole: "and there’s no polite way to say this but if it weren’t for us schools like ISU, KSU and TCU would be competing with bowling green in the Mac"

3) But please remember #1

I'm not offended by the reality that within conferences, there's a power structure  and that in the Big 12 Texas is a power broker and ISU isn't.  And that we would have no sure soft landing if the Big 12 explodes.  You'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.

But god damn, does the "YOU'D BE IN THE MAC" shit get old.  During Realignment Armageddon, the Des Moines media and Iowa fans were just jerking themselves raw to the thought that ISU might get relegated, but conveniently ignored the reality that if the Big 10 were falling apart, Iowa wouldn't be some massive prize either.  We fill a 60K seat stadium regularly.  We're AAU.  We're not a mid major in any sense.  Do we drive conference revenue?  Fuck no.  But we aren't fucking Bowling Green either.

[closetohumping 17453]

2 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm not offended by the reality that within conferences, there's a power structure  and that in the Big 12 Texas is a power broker and ISU isn't.  And that we would have no sure soft landing if the Big 12 explodes.  You'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.

But god damn, does the "YOU'D BE IN THE MAC" shit get old.  During Realignment Armageddon, the Des Moines media and Iowa fans were just jerking themselves raw to the thought that ISU might get relegated, but conveniently ignored the reality that if the Big 10 were falling apart, Iowa wouldn't be some massive prize either.  We fill a 60K seat stadium regularly.  We're AAU.  We're not a mid major in any sense.  Do we drive conference revenue?  Fuck no.  But we aren't fucking Bowling Green either.

 

9 minutes ago, Getafix said:

 

1) "Listen we’re not all boorish assholes"

2) Boorish asshole: "and there’s no polite way to say this but if it weren’t for us schools like ISU, KSU and TCU would be competing with bowling green in the Mac"

3) But please remember #1

I can see where you guys are coming from. I should've used Western Michigan instead.  I kid, I kid!!!

[Getafix 28683]

4 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

 

I can see where you guys are coming from. I should've used Western Michigan instead.  I kid, I kid!!!

 

:-))

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

For those hoping to get Muschamp on the cheap while he collects his South Carolina buyout - Football Scoop reporting that South Carolina didn't include any 'Duty to Mitigate' language in his contract and thus he'll be paid his entire buyout whether he takes another job or not.

Meaning Muschamp could take a year or two off while he collects his 15.5 million - or he could take another job making 2 million a year as a DC while he collects his 15.5 million.

[Rimbo 25985]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

Well, OU was coming of HC dynamoes Gary Gibbs-->Howard Schnellenberger-->John Blake. They were pretty damned desperate at the time.

We're pretty desperate, too.

[Al_4_ISU 12469]

14 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

 

I can see where you guys are coming from. I should've used Western Michigan instead.  I kid, I kid!!!

Don't make me row that damn boat.

[Tex Pete 20402]

3 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

We're pretty desperate, too.

Sort of, for sure. Not John Blake desperate, though. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Tex Pete

[Bevo 13579]

2 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

Sort of, for sure. Not John Blake desperate, though. 

"Old Freak Nasty" Cleve Bryant desperate?

[EZ$ 2105]

2 hours ago, RGBIII said:

Nahlin says the Houston BMDs have been talking a lot about Tony Elliot

As an OC maybe....the guy is only 41 years old and we’d be his first HC gig. I’ll pass. 

[Newy25 7695]

2 hours ago, RGBIII said:

Nahlin says the Houston BMDs have been talking a lot about Tony Elliot

Houston BMDs would also be aligned behind Campbell. The best thing I can say is that besides Meyer, there is financial support for another coach. Not Fickell or Kubiak or Jeff Traylor but there are some realistic options that would create alignment. Which was encouraging to hear. 

[closetohumping 17453]

15 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

Houston BMDs would also be aligned behind Campbell. The best thing I can say is that besides Meyer, there is financial support for another coach. Not Fickell or Kubiak or Jeff Traylor but there are some realistic options that would create alignment. Which was encouraging to hear. 

Are you saying there's someone besides Campbell they're behind?  Mullen or Mario?

[theBigHen 364]

Since we’re just throwing names out there, let’s get Jim Tressel. The sweater vest needs to make a comeback. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

Contract extension - probably to keep OU away. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Hiphopopotamos

[TexMexBuddha 988]

Outside of Joe Brady and the Shanahan/Rhule pipedreams, any good NFL options out there? Preferably someone with at least some college experience. Not a huge Bieniemy fan bc that's Reid's offense plus Mahomes. 
In all seriousness, I do think you at least put in a call with Rhule. See if he doesn't like the NFL as much as he hoped and wants to come back to college already. Highly unlikely but why not try. I also like Brady and you could likely get him relatively cheap and throw a ton of money at DC and other assistants.

Vrabel, besides Shanahan/Rhule are the only ones that would have me excited. Sadly, this means I am Urbs or bust.

[Ultimate Failure 61]

1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I'm not offended by the reality that within conferences, there's a power structure  and that in the Big 12 Texas is a power broker and ISU isn't.  And that we would have no sure soft landing if the Big 12 explodes.  You'd have to be an idiot to believe otherwise.

But god damn, does the "YOU'D BE IN THE MAC" shit get old.  During Realignment Armageddon, the Des Moines media and Iowa fans were just jerking themselves raw to the thought that ISU might get relegated, but conveniently ignored the reality that if the Big 10 were falling apart, Iowa wouldn't be some massive prize either.  We fill a 60K seat stadium regularly.  We're AAU.  We're not a mid major in any sense.  Do we drive conference revenue?  Fuck no.  But we aren't fucking Bowling Green either.

People who disrespect ISU and others are stupid assholes.  College football is a cooperative enterprise.  It's not just Texas generating revenue out of thin air and magnanimously sharing it.  Without our opponents (a.k.a. business partners) we don't have a program.