The Surly Official 2020 Corching Search Thread of DOOM and DESPAIR

[mdmost 42867]

3 minutes ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

I'm not saying Texas should hire Traylor but they should be open to hiring someone outside their comfort zone.  There are a lot of good coaches out there and most don't currently fit conveniently into the box we want them to be in.  

It's not just about hiring someone out of their comfort zone. It's about paying $15 million to get rid of Herman for someone outside of their comfort zone that would be the issue, I'd imagine. Everyone seems to be forgetting or underestimating that with Covid we're going to have to rely on donors footing the bill. They would for Urban. They won't for Traylor. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by mdmost

[taybo20 2815]

Just now, mdmost said:

It's not about hiring someone out of their comfort zone. It's about paying $15 million to get rid of Herman for someone outside of their comfort zone that would be the issue, I'd imagine. Everyone seems to be forgetting that with Covid, we're going to have to rely on donors footing the bill. They would for Urban. They won't for Traylor. 

Yeah but ain’t no one paying shit for another year of Herman either. 

[Michael Knight 12899]

man fuck 2020

[Errestaurants 2570]

Maybe we should just have an open tryout after the season is over? Maybe pay Gruden to come manage it over say a week. 

[Chuckie Finster 22600]

1 minute ago, HenryJames said:

Fuck it. Traylor.

Fuck it, take my Joe Brady plan from the Urban thread and swap Brady for Traylor.  Texas high school coach to head coach of The University of Texas is some folksy ass shit that could bring us some (temporary) good press.  Surround him with badass coordinators and rainmaker recruiters and LFG.

It's not ideal, but none of this shit is.

[WinningIsHard 4017]

1 minute ago, taybo20 said:

Mullen? Hahahahahahahaha that’s never happening

If you have a chance to go to the CFP every year by beating oklahoma or by beating georgia then bama. You're picking that goergia then bama scenario? I could be wrong but his chance at a title improves significantly here. 

[JOSEYWALES66 1790]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

It's not about hiring someone out of their comfort zone. It's about paying $15 million to get rid of Herman for someone outside of their comfort zone that would be the issue, I'd imagine. Everyone seems to be forgetting that with Covid, we're going to have to rely on donors footing the bill. They would for Urban. They won't for Traylor. 

I get that but I'm not even talking about this particular hire.  I'm talking about how Texas does all of their coaching hires. 

[UTEX_ME 4754]

Here till the end. 

 

[Red Five 40681]

4 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

Bill Obrien...yikes. Surly is depressing the fuck out of me. Mullen or Traylor or Ash as interim while we do a year long search for our white rhino. 

You want to hire Dan Mullen as an interim coach for a year?

[closetohumping 17407]

47 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Fickell is a huge gamble as are all of the likely suspects (outside of Meyer, maybe Mullen). I will hold my decision on whether CDC failed until I see how it all plays out. If we head into 2021 with Herman as the head coach, then yes CDC likely failed. He would be gambling that Herman can turn it around (not gonna happen) or there is a better coach available next year(not likely).

If we replace Herman, it will be a couple of years before we know if he failed or not. A large contingent of our fan base spent so much time sucking each other's dicks after UT hired Herman that they suffered permanent brain damage in the process. Herman was a fraud, but because he was who the media said was the hot guy, most of the fan base was happy. To the same extent, if CDC hires a WR coach from a middle of the road ACC team (Dabo's profile) he will get crucified before we ever see the results. Coaching hires are a crap shoot, always have been. 

 

I think someone made a pretty good case on Fickell being a better candidate than Herm was at his peak.  I think I'd be ok with that.

[Happy Gilmore 1001]

If Urban ultimately ends up being a no. Then Campbell, Traylor (Fuck it why not), or Fickell should be next. No Cristobal, fuck no to Franklin and Sark. If CDC tries to vouch for any of those two he should be laughed at and canned. 

[UrbanTheMeyer 67]

Traylor looks good, but hes only got 1 season as HC and he went 7-4 at a G5. He' definitely a name to watch, but too risky to make a hire this season.

Or maybe not. We have to try something.

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[Thiefery 4969]

Yeah.. throw the money out the door.  Herman isn't going to magically turn the corner here, wins over KState and KU don't mean shit.. we already been through this after the '17 win vs Mizzu, '19 win vs GA and the '19 win vs Utah..  We all wished he had turned the corner yet here we are, again.

Fuck the buy out money and focus on coaches available 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Whoever it is, I'm now prepared to be stunned and pissed.

Hope you have the “fire X coach” thread fired up

[WinningIsHard 4017]

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

You want to hire Dan Mullen as an interim coach for a year?

LOL writing sentences is hard 

[closetohumping 17407]

3 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

If you have a chance to go to the CFP every year by beating oklahoma or by beating georgia then bama. You're picking that goergia then bama scenario? I could be wrong but his chance at a title improves significantly here. 

Also have to deal with LSU, aggy, Auburn and the dirty recruiting over there.  What scares you more, tcu/baylor or LSU/Auburn?

 

Bohls already said Mullen will not happen

[Fuck Tim Beck 3806]

Belmont would fuck up a two car funeral. 

[Pato del Muerto 52348]

CDC has made 3 hires at head coach since he’s been here. All three have been lauded, and were at the top of their sport in the college profession- uo softball coach, uk track coach, msu lady basketball coach. 
 

he deserves the opportunity to make the correct football hire. We apparently armed him well to solicit urban, that didn’t work. But if he wasn’t aware of the rules of engagement, that’s likely his own fault. Though I wouldn’t rule out the bmd changing their minds on funding a change that’s not urban, leaving him out to dry and telling him that’s his problem. 
 

if he does his due diligence and thinks fickell or anyone else is the right fit, and can convince the money, I will have some level of faith instead of starting from a position of doubt. 

[TexArcher 37532]

Does this mean that Ann-Margret's NOT coming?

[mdmost 42867]

5 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

Yeah but ain’t no one paying shit for another year of Herman either. 

If that's the case then we'll definitely see Herman be fired any day now....

[SuckitKevin 915]

I said Mullen before the Herman hire, our BMD’s have a fish brain, latch onto the first shiny thing they see. 

[UrbanTheMeyer 67]

If we offer Traylor 3 years at 2 million per season, plus a million for beating oklahoma, 2 million for a 10 win season, 2 million and an automatic extension for a conference title, and more incentives for higher things, and hire the best assistants money can buy, at the very worst Traylor is cheaper than Herman, at the very best, he costs us more and wins a lot.

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[taybo20 2815]

1 minute ago, WinningIsHard said:

If you have a chance to go to the CFP every year by beating oklahoma or by beating georgia then bama. You're picking that goergia then bama scenario? I could be wrong but his chance at a title improves significantly here. 

Dude...there is so much more that goes into it than that. He’s not walking away from something he’s currently building, in the shitty ass SEC east, where he can own that division, is already out recruiting us, can play in a conference that gets more publicity whether it’s real or not, is already playing for conference championships and playoff spots... like come on. Saban isn’t coaching forever and Kirby smart sucks

[Michael Knight 12899]

3 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

If you have a chance to go to the CFP every year by beating oklahoma or by beating georgia then bama. You're picking that goergia then bama scenario? I could be wrong but his chance at a title improves significantly here. 

That's exactly what I'm looking for in a head coach, someone that looks for the easiest path to victory. Why lose to Alabama in the conference championship game when you can lose to them in the playoffs?

[Red Five 40681]

3 minutes ago, WinningIsHard said:

LOL writing sentences is hard 

Yeah I realized what you meant right after typing that. 

[WinningIsHard 4017]

Just now, closetohumping said:

Also have to deal with LSU, aggy, Auburn and the dirty recruiting over there.  What scares you more, tcu/baylor or LSU/Auburn?

 

Bohls already said Mullen will not happen

Yeah but he said it came from his Florida higher up source lulz. If I'm a BMD or in the AD's office at florida that's the same shit I would say to keep Mullen. I think it makes plenty of sense for Mullen to come to Texas, but does CDC like Mullen? no clue 

[taybo20 2815]

1 minute ago, mdmost said:

If that's the case then we'll definitely see Herman be fired any day now....

It’s lose lose basically so they better have someone good, otherwise the apathy needle remains high

[Rimbo 25789]

I'd just like to say fuck football at this point

fuck the Houston boosters for saddling us with Herman without a proper search

fuck the president of the University for extending him over CDC's objections

fuck the boosters IF they won't buy out Herman 

fuck Tom Herman

and Urban, if you won't come here, fuck you too

[Michael Knight 12899]

1 minute ago, UrbanTheMeyer said:

If we offer Traylor 3 years at 2 million per season, plus a million for beating oklahoma, 2 million for a 10 win season, 2 million and an automatic extension for a conference title, and more incentives for higher things, and hire the best assistants money can buy, at the very worst Traylor is cheaper than Herman, at the very best, he costs us more and wins a lot.

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wow maybe you should take your negotiating skills to an athletic department, you are going places.

[CHIEF 5072]

Shit, go get Traylor, retain Yurcich and take the shackles off of him. Keep Ash, unless Muschamp would come back. Put together a World class group of recruiters and get this train back on the tracks. That is the easiest and cheapest way to salvage the program. I'm not sure Traylor could obtain as good of coordinators on his own.

CHIEF

[UncleBuck 6448]

8 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I think someone made a pretty good case on Fickell being a better candidate than Herm was at his peak.  I think I'd be ok with that.

I'll need to look deeper into Fickell, but being G5 coaches isn't larger reason Strong and Herman have failed, it's because they were just the wrong guys period. 

There are only two Sure Deal candidates out there. One may have just told us "Thanks but no thanks.", and the other just isn't going to happen because it's Art Briles. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by UncleBuck

[elguapo 4583]

9 minutes ago, mdmost said:

It's not just about hiring someone out of their comfort zone. It's about paying $15 million to get rid of Herman for someone outside of their comfort zone that would be the issue, I'd imagine. Everyone seems to be forgetting or underestimating that with Covid we're going to have to rely on donors footing the bill. They would for Urban. They won't for Traylor. 

I thought I read some speculation that Texas won't have to pay Herman's full buyout because of "reasons", guessing that was a bunch of BS though.

[closetohumping 17407]

7 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Fuck it, take my Joe Brady plan from the Urban thread and swap Brady for Traylor.  Texas high school coach to head coach of The University of Texas is some folksy ass shit that could bring us some (temporary) good press.  Surround him with badass coordinators and rainmaker recruiters and LFG.

It's not ideal, but none of this shit is.

CTJ already said that Joe himself has said he's not ready to be a college fb head coach.  That' being said, how about Joe HC, Will DC, Traylor OC.?  Tell me you can't sell a guy that turned Duane Haskins backup into a #1 pick and potentially the face of the NFL in one year?

[Rockethorn1978 6061]

[Loather 127]

I think we should at least give some thought to the coach CDC is most familiar with, he would have an idea of whether he's interested and if he would work out - the Fort Worth Fat-ass, I would take him, at least he would have some passion and demand something from his players

Edited December 7, 2020 by Loather

[closetohumping 17407]

2 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

Shit, go get Traylor, retain Yurcich and take the shackles off of him. Keep Ash, unless Muschamp would come back. Put together a World class group of recruiters and get this train back on the tracks. That is the easiest and cheapest way to salvage the program. I'm not sure Traylor could obtain as good of coordinators on his own.

CHIEF

 

and, if that doesn't work, this would be the easiest train to depart from.  

[GTX Horn 1707]

Look Traylor may very well be a solid hire, and honestly some of y’all are making him sound intriguing, but holy fuck it sucks if our options go from one of the GOAT college coaches to a dude who’s 6-4 at UTSA with only one year of G5 head coaching experience. If one of the dings on Herman was that he wasn’t prepared for this job, how on earth is Traylor prepared? At least people like Campbell have multiple years of experience and relative success at P5 stops. Fuck it, throw 8 - 10 million/year at Mullen and make him say no.

[Texasrocks 2124]

3 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

Shit, go get Traylor, retain Yurcich and take the shackles off of him. Keep Ash, unless Muschamp would come back. Put together a World class group of recruiters and get this train back on the tracks. That is the easiest and cheapest way to salvage the program. I'm not sure Traylor could obtain as good of coordinators on his own.

CHIEF

Sherman for OL. Don't forget him.

[Jack Wilson 313]

The foregoing 20-something posts about Traylor illustrate how barren the landscape is. We've pretty much debunked PJ, Franklin, Campbell, Fickel, Peterson, Patterson, and Harsin. We've decided Dabo, Satan, (insert appropriate NFL coach here), and Mullen won't come. Now, we're down to talking about Jeff-Fuckin'-Traylor in realistic terms. (I like him, btw.) Oh, yes, I almost forgot: NSD1 is 9 days away. Nine fucking days. Jesus-God, what's this world coming to? 

[UncleBuck 6448]

3 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

but holy fuck it sucks if our options go from one of the GOAT college coaches to a dude who’s 6-4 at UTSA with only one year of G5 head coaching experience.

You're not wrong, but that's the reality. 

The only way we're going to get anyone with any decent D1 record is if they're fired, and... well, they got fired for a reason. You're gunna have to take a chance on someone. 

The only reason we were in it with Urban Meyer at all was because he's not coaching. That is a unique situation. Find you a damn coach. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by UncleBuck

[Doc Sam Beckett 5784]

God I can't wait until we can move this coaching discussion back where it belongs: the Urban Meyer thread. 

[Rimbo 25789]

5 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

Shit, go get Traylor, retain Yurcich and take the shackles off of him. Keep Ash, unless Muschamp would come back. Put together a World class group of recruiters and get this train back on the tracks. That is the easiest and cheapest way to salvage the program. I'm not sure Traylor could obtain as good of coordinators on his own.

CHIEF

if you can't trust your new head coach to hire the right coordinators, you're hiring the wrong head coach

if we learned ONE THING from Strong and Herman, we should've learned that

[RabidM 2664]

Meh, Tryalor is an impossible sell to get the buyout money. Might as well not even discuss him.  

Edited December 7, 2020 by RabidM

[mdmost 42867]

3 minutes ago, elguapo said:

I thought I read some speculation that Texas won't have to pay Herman's full buyout because of "reasons", guessing that was a bunch of BS though.

I love you guys but you have to stop buying what these 9.95 types are peddling. If they had "reasons" to fire Herman, it would've happened by now. Sadly, I'm gearing my balls to be thoroughly kicked with the reality of another failed season under Tom Herman. Thanks Fenves and the Board of Regents for extending a guy literally no one was coming after. 

[USMCHorn 1369]

4 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

Look Traylor may very well be a solid hire, and honestly some of y’all are making him sound intriguing, but holy fuck it sucks if our options go from one of the GOAT college coaches to a dude who’s 6-4 at UTSA with only one year of G5 head coaching experience. If one of the dings on Herman was that he wasn’t prepared for this job, how on earth is Traylor prepared? At least people like Campbell have multiple years of experience and relative success at P5 stops. Fuck it, throw 8 - 10 million/year at Mullen and make him say no.

To be clear, I don't think anyone with a brain is expecting CDC - who would be making the biggest hire of his career - to hire a 1-year head coach at a G5 program. I think people are saying that Traylor will be a star in the future.

Edited December 7, 2020 by USMCHorn

[Rimbo 25789]

8 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I'd just like to say fuck football at this point

fuck the Houston boosters for saddling us with Herman without a proper search

fuck the president of the University for extending him over CDC's objections

fuck the boosters IF they won't buy out Herman 

fuck Tom Herman

and Urban, if you won't come here, fuck you too

and fuck 2020

 

CDC, this wasn't your fault, you're ok

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for now

[Rimbo 25789]

Just now, immamac said:

The real question is what happens if NSD1 is a total disaster and everyone defers to NSD2 or jumps ship on Texas?

Then we're officially rebuilding.

Again.

[immamac 42538]

The real question is what happens if NSD1 is a total disaster and everyone defers to NSD2 or jumps ship on Texas?

[closetohumping 17407]

5 minutes ago, Jack Wilson said:

The foregoing 20-something posts about Traylor illustrate how barren the landscape is. We've pretty much debunked PJ, Franklin, Campbell, Fickel, Peterson, Patterson, and Harsin. We've decided Dabo, Satan, (insert appropriate NFL coach here), and Mullen won't come. Now, we're down to talking about Jeff-Fuckin'-Traylor in realistic terms. (I like him, btw.) Oh, yes, I almost forgot: NSD1 is 9 days away. Nine fucking days. Jesus-God, what's this world coming to? 

Would you rather talk about Jeff fucking Traylor or Jeff fucking Fischer?

[GTX Horn 1707]

Just now, UncleBuck said:

You're not wrong, but that's the reality. 

The only way we're going to get anyone with any decent D1 record is if they're fired, and... well, they got fired for a reason. You're gunna have to take a chance on someone. 

That’s fair but I’d rather take a chance on someone with more head coaching experience at the college level, but like you’re alluding to the options aren’t necessarily great because I’m not sure someone like Cristobal or Franklin would be any better than Herman - they both lose to teams they shouldn’t and make questionable in-game decisions. I’m high on Matt Campbell but I’m certainly no expert.