Black female golfers have cops called for playing "too slowly"

[Pancho 44900]

Trump's America

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/apr/24/pennsylvania-golf-club-apologizes-for-calling-police-on-black-women-members

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Thompson said the man from the second hole, identified as former York county commissioner Steve Chronister, his son, club co-owner Jordan Chronister and several other white, male employees approached the remaining two women and said they took too long of a break and they needed to leave the course.

The women argued they took an appropriate break, and that the men behind them were still on their beer break and not ready to tee off, as seen in a video Thompson gave the newspaper. The women were told that the police had been called, and so they waited.

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At the second hole, a white man whose son co-owns the club came up to them twice to complain that they weren’t keeping up with the pace of play. Thompson, an attorney and the head of the York chapter of the NAACP, told the newspaper it was untrue.

On the same hole, another member of the group, Sandra Harrison, said she spoke with a Grandview golf pro, who said they were fine since they were keeping pace with the group ahead of them.

Despite that, the women skipped the third hole to avoid any other issues, she said.

It’s part of golf etiquette that slow-moving players let groups behind them play through if they are holding things up, and often golf courses have personnel who monitor the pace of play, letting golfers know when they are taking too long.

 

 

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

As I said in the Syracuse University thread, this part of the country has a massive racism problem and skates by because they aren't Mississippi or Alabama. 

[msbesq 385]

Jeff Greenfield, the political commentator, once described Pennsylvania as Philadelphia to the East, Pittsburgh to the West  and Alabama in the middle.

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

This is pretty much in the middle. Near Harrisburg.

[TwiceHorn 31516]

2 minutes ago, msbesq said:

Jeff Greenfield, the political commentator, once described Pennsylvania as Philadelphia to the East, Pittsburgh to the West  and Alabama in the middle.

Very Appalachian, indeed.  The police seem to have handled this better than their Philly counterparts at the Starbucks, but there's one important distinction.  These ladies appear, by virtue of their membership at the club, to be "licensed or otherwise privileged" to remain on the property, despite the owners' or others declarations of trespass.

 

I get that a slow group can be annoying af, but who calls the cops on a golf course?

[Guest]

CR thread in Current Events...

[HenryJames 66139]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

I get that a slow group can be annoying af, but who calls the cops on a golf course?

White people.

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

1 minute ago, slorch said:

CR thread in Current Events...

Its not CR until somebody makes it that way. 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

I, for one, support the cops being called for ANYONE (regardless of race, color, sexual orientation) who plays too slow on a golf course.

[Catpfish 618]

18 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

If they were keeping pace, how would skipping a hole prevent further issues?  Sounds to me like there was an open hole between them and the group in front of them

[Guest]

Just now, Larry T. Spider said:

Its not CR until somebody makes it that way. 

The very first word of the thread is Trump...

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

7 minutes ago, slorch said:

The very first word of the thread is Trump...

Well, that is your fault for reading for details. Its always best to skim and make a rushed judgement about large swaths of the country first. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Couldn't they have just like given them penalty strokes or stuff ?

[swraith 347]

Instead of calling the cops, maybe everybody should have just had another round of drinks.

[heso 2813]

I thought the appropriate response was to drive your ball into them while they’re still in the fairway. 

[TwiceHorn 31516]

Here's kind of an interesting question.  The club has apologized and offered to meet to discuss the event and how to go forward.  One of the ladies says that is insufficient  and someththing else needs to happen.  Logically, I suppose, that something else is a lawsuit.  How helpful is that, really?

 

I would submit that discussions like this are probably more fruitful than a lawsuit, which is just going to aggravate people and cause them to retrench their retrograde positions, but that doesn't seem to satiate the great American thirst for vengeance of some sort.

 

Which brings to mind another topic that is slightly off-topic.  Americans really seem to thirst for vengeance for legitimate or perceived wrongs.  I think it's what drives modern "litigiousness" in the civil dispute setting and has led us to incarceration nation on the criminal side.  Taint healthy.

Edited April 24, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[Ldogg53 514]

9 minutes ago, heso said:

I thought the appropriate response was to drive your ball into them while they’re still in the fairway. 

Fuck yeah it is. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13516]

How many replies until someone posts how the North is so much more racist than the South. 

Never understood the point of those replies except everyone wants to be a victim. 

[Chrispy 132]

34 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Couldn't they have just like given them penalty strokes or stuff ?

Only if it were a tournament. The police have better things to do than mess with this nonsense. I wonder if the women were walking or riding carts, because most country clubs discourage fivesomes from walking. Also, how long was the was the round taking and how long was the break? 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

How many replies until someone posts how the North is so much more racist than the South. 

Never understood the point of those replies except everyone wants to be a victim. 

Well, thanks my man, no one needs to now that you've posted it.

[po elvis 2076]

moral of the story is black people do nothing wrong, and if anything involves a black person, it needs to make national headlines and we can all argue about it for a week.

[babysdaddy 2726]

I think the clear message here is women shouldn't be allowed to play golf.  

[Hank Kingsley 20995]

 

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

24 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

I think the clear message here is women shouldn't be allowed to play golf.  

The exception to the rule:

[Larry T. Spider 1747]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

How many replies until someone posts how the North is so much more racist than the South. 

Never understood the point of those replies except everyone wants to be a victim. 

Its not a victim mentality, its being honest that racial issues are not limited to the south and are actually pervasive in other parts of the country. It's not letting people get away with the attitude that blatant racism is confined to a certain few states and the rest of us get to point at them and laugh. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21913]

Laughing at Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi is not limited to racism

[TwiceHorn 31516]

3 minutes ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Its not a victim mentality, its being honest that racial issues are not limited to the south and are actually pervasive in other parts of the country. It's not letting people get away with the attitude that blatant racism is confined to a certain few states and the rest of us get to point at them and laugh. 

Exactly.  No one of good conscience likes to be called a racist or be told they live in a racist region.  Especially by someone who lives in an equally racist region.  The "north" has been lording its moral superiority on race issues over the "south" for 150-plus years.  Granted, the genesis of that was slavery, but after emancipation, the "north" lost any claim to current moral superiority on race issues.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Exactly.  No one of good conscience likes to be called a racist or be told they live in a racist region.  Especially by someone who lives in an equally racist region.  The "north" has been lording its moral superiority on race issues over the "south" for 150-plus years.  Granted, the genesis of that was slavery, but after emancipation, the "north" lost any claim to current moral superiority on race issues.

Well the fed. gov't didn't do too well with Indian relations either..

Edited April 24, 2018 by Onboard 2.0

[VolenteHawk 495]

2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I, for one, support the cops being called for ANYONE (regardless of race, color, sexual orientation) who plays too slow on a golf course.

Slow play is worse than rape.  It's about time somebody treated it with the appropriate level of urgency.

 

[Sbbruin 21865]

The younger dude was a complete prick.  Why should they leave?  Seems they really had done nothing wrong, and in my many rounds of playing golf, many times drinking excessively, pace of play is addressed politely and responded to accordingly.  That whole thing was bullshit.

[TwiceHorn 31516]

11 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

The younger dude was a complete prick.  Why should they leave?  Seems they really had done nothing wrong, and in my many rounds of playing golf, many times drinking excessively, pace of play is addressed politely and responded to accordingly.  That whole thing was bullshit.

He really was.  And you could tell he was just about to explode with some nbombs and shit.  As aggravating as slow play can be, his response was entirely disproportionate.

Edited April 24, 2018 by TwiceHorn

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

I actually like it when the group in front of me plays slow. Allows more time for me to get my drink on.

[lemonlime 5503]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Here's kind of an interesting question.  The club has apologized and offered to meet to discuss the event and how to go forward.  One of the ladies says that is insufficient  and someththing else needs to happen.  Logically, I suppose, that something else is a lawsuit.  How helpful is that, really?

 

I would submit that discussions like this are probably more fruitful than a lawsuit, which is just going to aggravate people and cause them to retrench their retrograde positions, but that doesn't seem to satiate the great American thirst for vengeance of some sort.

 

Which brings to mind another topic that is slightly off-topic.  Americans really seem to thirst for vengeance for legitimate or perceived wrongs.  I think it's what drives modern "litigiousness" in the civil dispute setting and has led us to incarceration nation on the criminal side.  Taint healthy.

Why is it the ladies' responsibility to meet and discuss things?  They're under no obligation to be nice to the racist asshats who called the cops.  The racist asshats should be the ones to fix things.

[Sbbruin 21865]

14 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

I actually like it when the group in front of me plays slow. Allows more time for me to get my drink on.

[hornbri 1400]

5 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Why is it the ladies' responsibility to meet and discuss things?  They're under no obligation to be nice to the racist asshats who called the cops.  The racist asshats should be the ones to fix things.

I still don't get the jump to racism, maybe it was just sexism, maybe they were just assholes. Everything so far is one side of the story and no one is claiming racial slurs were said, just because this happened to a minority does not automatically make it racist. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21913]

They were women so this must be rape

[d2o 1602]

43 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

The younger dude was a complete prick.  Why should they leave?  Seems they really had done nothing wrong, and in my many rounds of playing golf, many times drinking excessively, pace of play is addressed politely and responded to accordingly.  That whole thing was bullshit.

These black women didn't just bow down and do exactly what he said do exactly when he said do it.

[d2o 1602]

7 minutes ago, hornbri said:

I still don't get the jump to racism, maybe it was just sexism, maybe they were just assholes. Everything so far is one side of the story and no one is claiming racial slurs were said, just because this happened to a minority does not automatically make it racist. 

Right. I'm sure they have called the police to remove every group that slow plays.

[hornbri 1400]

1 minute ago, d2o said:

Right. I'm sure they have called the police to remove every group that slow plays.

Or their could just be more to the story. The jump to conclusions to play the race card when only one side of the story is heard is part of the problem. 

[Bernard 879]

5 hours ago, heso said:

I thought the appropriate response was to drive your ball into them while they’re still in the fairway. 

This is true, but you better be damn sure there's no one else in front of them lowing them down. I've had people hit up on to me. I hit their ball right back at them.

Bernard

[Chad Fuck 17711]

4 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

The exception to the rule:

I miss that thread.

[Elvis Presto 21]

sounds like these guys needs to join a club that doesnt let chicks play or only allows them to play 1 day a week. 

[GhostRider 169]

34 minutes ago, Bernard said:

This is true, but you better be damn sure there's no one else in front of them lowing them down. I've had people hit up on to me. I hit their ball right back at them.

Bernard

And that is always the proper response when someone drives their ball into your group.  Golf etiquette and shit.

[Thatguy 8762]

  Middle aged female golfers are going to play slow. Just ask to play through. Shouldn't be a big deal.

[Beau Vine 54334]

3 hours ago, d2o said:

Right. I'm sure they have called the police to remove every group that slow plays.

I don't even understand why the police showed up. 

If you call the police to tell them that the golfers in front of you are playing too slow, shouldn't the police just tell you to fuck off?

Edited April 24, 2018 by Beau Vine
pronouns, how do they work?

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Not many women play at my club, so I wouldn’t know.  They have the tennis courts on lock down though.  

I can’t imagine getting that worked up.  It’s supposed to be fun.  I get enough stress at work. If there is slow play, and there isn’t anyone in front of them, ask to play through. And do it quickly.  

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

I don't even understand why the police showed up. 

If you call the police to tell you that the golfers in front of you are playing too slow, shouldn't the police just tell you to fuck off?

One would think. 

[Lidig8r 1874]

Young guy in the shades was an asshat.  Fat guy, beard, polyester Eagles shirt... strike 1, 2 and 3.

I'd play golf with those women any time though.  Put some beers in them and let their stories fly. It would be greatness.

[futureman 22517]

1 hour ago, Bernard said:

This is true, but you better be damn sure there's no one else in front of them lowing them down. I've had people hit up on to me. I hit their ball right back at them.

Bernard

[Gil Bang 25984]

9 hours ago, msbesq said:

Jeff Greenfield, the political commentator, once described Pennsylvania as Philadelphia to the East, Pittsburgh to the West  and Alabama in the middle.

I thought it was Carville.  

Anyway, I spent the better part of 6 months in York doing a medical project.  I'm not the least bit surprised at thsi.