Fuck Mack Brown

[Zeus 5949]

21 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 

Just seeing this since the thread came back up and I clicked on it. Mack Brown shit on the Texas job to Urban Meyer. He's actively worked in the past to undermine Texas having success while he was still paid by the program and since through his buddies when assistants ask around or his media friends reach out to him off the record, including Herbstreit. Anyone with a fucking mediocre connection to either people in the media or UT athletics knows all of this. 

It's not some conspiracy theory or outrageous claim. A petty, selfish, insecure bitch of man can and often will do what they can to preserve their own legacy within an org at the expense of the institution and other people, and this happens throughout the world every day, from levels high to low. It's happening right now at a corporation or small business, government agency, or religious entity within a 25 mile radius of any of us. If you're on a plane and reading this, someone is actively doing this while they hurtle through the air at 500 mph. It's as common and basic as breathing air. 

Guys like @Rimbo and @StassneyHorn who show and claim skepticism do so because they put some bizarre level of "greater good" thinking on a role like HFBC at Texas. Some people have a need to put roles and people in those roles on a pedestal. No one benefitted more from being put on a pedestal and being given the benefit of the doubt by his/her constituency in CFB during the past 15 years than Mack Brown at Texas, save perhaps Joe Paterno. Both men eventually failed in their own ways in such a level, in part due to their insulation and reach, that not even their phalanx of sycophants could spare them.

Source?

also fuck Urban Meyer

[nineliveslost 2710]

This thread is just a continual kick in the balls. Let. us. move. on.

PLEASE

[Tex Pete 20176]

On 12/6/2020 at 4:16 PM, Gigglebush said:

The idea that anything Mack did stopped Saban from coming to UT was always extremely retarded. Mack was great and if we fire Herman and hire someone like Franklin or Cristobal this board will get to enjoy 4 years of Mack and UNC having a better W/L record than us.

C’mon, Sally. 

[Dbeasy 14966]

Mack Brown thru 2009 went 21-4 at Texas in games decided by 3 points or less. 21 and 4. 
 

Was he the luckiest coach in football history? Was there something he did to have his team perform better in the stretch? He was lucky IMO and Texas benefited greatly from that luck. 

Do we need Mack Brown type luck in order for Sark to have a great career at Texas? Or do we finally have a coach that makes their own luck for the first time since Royal? We have a better coach. 

[Hank Chinaski 6310]

14 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Mack Brown thru 2009 went 21-4 at Texas in games decided by 3 points or less. 21 and 4. 
 

Was he the luckiest coach in football history? Was there something he did to have his team perform better in the stretch? He was lucky IMO and Texas benefited greatly from that luck. 

Do we need Mack Brown type luck in order for Sark to have a great career at Texas? Or do we finally have a coach that makes their own luck for the first time since Royal? We have a better coach. 

Well, he was unlucky in 2008 when his player dropped an INT that would have put him in the national title game. And it was pretty unlucky the next year when his All-American QB was lost for the game after they did make it to the title game. Those two plays may well have prevented him from winning 3 national titles in a 5-year span. 

I think Mack's teams were generally smart (didn't commit stupid penalties) and played well on special teams. And he recruited superior talent compared to almost everyone that he played. All that probably helped them win close games. 

[Nivek 16857]

27 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Mack Brown thru 2009 went 21-4 at Texas in games decided by 3 points or less. 21 and 4. 
 

Was he the luckiest coach in football history? Was there something he did to have his team perform better in the stretch? He was lucky IMO and Texas benefited greatly from that luck. 

Do we need Mack Brown type luck in order for Sark to have a great career at Texas? Or do we finally have a coach that makes their own luck for the first time since Royal? We have a better coach. 

Mack took an afterthought program and turned it into elite and then to mediocre.  There was so much wondering what could happen if we had a real coach.   We also had people bitching about how Mr. 40 PPG average over a decade was horrible.  We fired him and regressed.   Then we fired Mack and regressed.  

I hope for the best with Sark.  But I am prepared for another Tom Herman type coach.   

[Davis Lane 5553]

25 minutes ago, Hank Chinaski said:

Well, he was unlucky in 2008 when his player dropped an INT that would have put him in the national title game. And it was pretty unlucky the next year when his All-American QB was lost for the game after they did make it to the title game. Those two plays may well have prevented him from winning 3 national titles in a 5-year span. 

I think Mack's teams were generally smart (didn't commit stupid penalties) and played well on special teams. And he recruited superior talent compared to almost everyone that he played. All that probably helped them win close games. 

Don't forget about the pick six and the safety in that same game.

Oh and don't forget about the INT that same player should have dropped in that title game.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Davis Lane
I hate life.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

54 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Mack Brown thru 2009 went 21-4 at Texas in games decided by 3 points or less. 21 and 4. 
 

Was he the luckiest coach in football history? Was there something he did to have his team perform better in the stretch? He was lucky IMO and Texas benefited greatly from that luck. 

Do we need Mack Brown type luck in order for Sark to have a great career at Texas? Or do we finally have a coach that makes their own luck for the first time since Royal? We have a better coach. 

How many of those games should have been that close?

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

Mack brown was a great in game strategist (when to fake a punt, go for it, call a trick play that kind of stuff) and also a FG whisperer. Herman is doing petty bullshit like calling him “the kicker” while Mack is asking walk on kickers how much trim they are going to bang after they hit the game winner. 
advantage Mack (vs coach turtle and coach potato anyway). 

[Jkwellborn 6653]

How many of those games should have been that close?

Yeah. Mack out talented people. He didn’t out coach anyone.

[Nivek 16857]

Yeah. Mack out talented people. He didn’t out coach anyone.

Yeah that USC team was full of scrubs. Those Ohio state guys all sucked too. And some dick named nick saba, or something like that, that guy was never gonna be a good coach. Less smiles never won shit.

[ButtFumble 5158]

time to let it go he has been gone long enough now and people might want to bring shit up when he has some pretty good teams at UNC, but he will burn out soon enough especially if UNC fans remotely start to expect more than second in the division every once in a while and probably leave them in not a great place

he did a lot of good, but he had a lot of faults.....fucking off the OU game all the time, never winning the conference consistently (because of fucking off the OU game generally), he had hungry DCs that wanted a HC job and would kill to get it and kept their players in line and hungry a fuck and I know this will not be popular, but GDGD was not horrible until shit recruiting made sure that there was not a chance in hell that Texas had anything remotely resembling a group of offensive players to build a system around (which is where GDGD excelled).....everyone knew GDGD did not recruit so whoever was recruiting for the offense just opened up Dave Campbell's and started looking for players with the **** and then the first ones to say yes well shit is filled up time to hit the links and rest in one of those cacistas.....after Colt there was no fucking way to recover from that shit

then once the defense was not getting DCs that wanted to shit down people's throats and instead they were getting Mack's fucking retread failed head coaches back with no hunger, no hope, and their skins striped from the wall.....well you can't recover from that shit

he got lazy as fuck with recruiting, he was getting chumped by high school head coaches that were sending shit for brains, man children, and head cases to Texas while making friends out of state with the good talent and Mack did not have the connections or the balls to start recruiting out of state to put an end to that shit.....and he thought he deserved a couple of years to relax and tan in one of those "cacistas" before he tried to mix in some new coordinators here and there and start trying again

he did not have what it takes to pull an "Urban" or a "Head Ball Coach" and say fuck it I want a couple of years off instead he thought he was like a lot of the other fuck nuts infesting Belmont (especially at that time) and he should just get a fat check for living and rolling into the office at 10:15am so they can spend 1:45 deciding on where to go for an hour and a half lunch

that is the problem with keeping all that fucking dead wood around the AD department that rot spreads to your active coaches especially if they win a little.....you think Nick Saban wants to hear some old fuck tell stories about when he used to coach there while still collecting a check as some kind of "ambassador"......shit Nick gets joy from going to the AD and telling the AD that either Nick gets to fire the guy himself right now or Nick will quit 

win, collect your check....win more collect a bigger check.....if shit becomes a burden on you then step down.....well except at Texas.....you fuck things up for a few years and then they give you a cushy job in the AD department....well in the recent past anyway it seems some of that shit is being sent packing or at least assigned to the basement where they can play with their red Swingline stapler all day and out of the way of anyone else 

either way he won one almost won another and then got lazy and petulant and he is gone and has been for a while now time to move on

Edited May 31, 2021 by ButtFumble

[Tex Long 4347]

10 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Mack brown was a great in game strategist (when to fake a punt,...

Great? No. Good? Yes, as long a he was recruiting worth a bucket of warm spit.

Never forget that Mack called one of the stupidest trick plays ever seen - faking a FG and instead punting. To a Nebraska deep back. With not so much as a single punt coverage player on the field. Which resulted in about a 95 yard TD for Neb. If they'd hit their on-side KO and rammed it down our throat, we'da  canned his ass on the plane ride home. Instead, Mack managed to convince Dodds et al to let him have three more years to clean up the mess, which he'd just created all by himself using nothing but his own skill and daring. Which just continued the pain until we doubled down, finally fired his ass while he lollygagged around FLA running down Texas to every recruit he encountered, and replaced him with... Charlie Strong.

Yeah, thanks Mack, you did a great job on Texas.

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

39 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Great? No. Good? Yes, as long a he was recruiting worth a bucket of warm spit.

Never forget that Mack called one of the stupidest trick plays ever seen - faking a FG and instead punting. To a Nebraska deep back. With not so much as a single punt coverage player on the field. Which resulted in about a 95 yard TD for Neb. If they'd hit their on-side KO and rammed it down our throat, we'da  canned his ass on the plane ride home. Instead, Mack managed to convince Dodds et al to let him have three more years to clean up the mess, which he'd just created all by himself using nothing but his own skill and daring. Which just continued the pain until we doubled down, finally fired his ass while he lollygagged around FLA running down Texas to every recruit he encountered, and replaced him with... Charlie Strong.

Yeah, thanks Mack, you did a great job on Texas.

That’s like one of the only mistakes of that kind I ever remember him making. 
seriously, if you go back through his tenure as head corch here it was remarkable how often he called the right trick/gadget/go for it. It’s a huge part of the reason we were 21-4 in close games. It really was remarkable. 
mother than that play, and scoring too quickly at tech I just don’t feel like he ducked up basic strategery the way so many coaches do. 
I have a theory on that, and that theory says Sark won’t be all that good. That theory is bc Mack didn’t coach anything he could focus on all that kind of shit. I’m don’t know that you can do both well. Sark might want to turn that stuff over to someone else. 

[Tex Long 4347]

59 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

That’s like one of the only mistakes of that kind I ever remember him making. 
seriously, if you go back through his tenure as head corch here it was remarkable how often he called the right trick/gadget/go for it. It’s a huge part of the reason we were 21-4 in close games. It really was remarkable. 
mother than that play, and scoring too quickly at tech I just don’t feel like he ducked up basic strategery the way so many coaches do. 
I have a theory on that, and that theory says Sark won’t be all that good. That theory is bc Mack didn’t coach anything he could focus on all that kind of shit. I’m don’t know that you can do both well. Sark might want to turn that stuff over to someone else. 

Well, that's like well said, mother ducker. Because, like, you know, Mack only did it once - once in his entire career here, which certainly overwhelms the fact that it seems as though no mother coacher in the history of football has ever been stupid enough to do the same thing.

Also, can you quantify the theoretical underpinnings of your "Sark won't be all that good" predictions? 

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

34 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Well, that's like well said, mother ducker. Because, like, you know, Mack only did it once - once in his entire career here, which certainly overwhelms the fact that it seems as though no mother coacher in the history of football has ever been stupid enough to do the same thing.

Also, can you quantify the theoretical underpinnings of your "Sark won't be all that good" predictions? 

Yeah- he’s running the offense and calling plays. He will be so focused on the micro that he will lose the macro picture. He needs to turn that over if he’s going to get into the play calling weeds. 
anyone who wants to be a coordinator needs to do that so they don’t lose sight of the forest for the trees. 

[Davis Lane 5553]

2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

That’s like one of the only mistakes of that kind I ever remember him making. 
seriously, if you go back through his tenure as head corch here it was remarkable how often he called the right trick/gadget/go for it. It’s a huge part of the reason we were 21-4 in close games. It really was remarkable. 
mother than that play, and scoring too quickly at tech I just don’t feel like he ducked up basic strategery the way so many coaches do. 
I have a theory on that, and that theory says Sark won’t be all that good. That theory is bc Mack didn’t coach anything he could focus on all that kind of shit. I’m don’t know that you can do both well. Sark might want to turn that stuff over to someone else. 

He did make the call to block the punt that resulted in roughing the kicker penalty in that first CCG against Colorado. 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

On 4/7/2021 at 12:42 PM, closetojumping said:

No one benefitted more from being put on a pedestal and being given the benefit of the doubt by his/her constituency in CFB during the past 15 years than Mack Brown at Texas, save perhaps Joe Paterno. Both men eventually failed in their own ways in such a level, in part due to their insulation and reach, that not even their phalanx of sycophants could spare them.

This thread should die in a butter-toothed grin of slapped-silliness, but not without it being pointed out that while Mack Brown is the petty bitch that CTJ has pointed him out as being, the sycophantic adulation angle is the only one in which he ought to be compared to the world-class sleazeball that is Joe Paterno. Mack was merely a bureaucratic fuck-up who sowed the seeds of his own demise at a program he admittedly ran pretty well. Paterno was an enabler of pedophilia, pederasty, and probably bad podiatry. Paterno = evil motherfucker, Mack merely made me wanna punch shit. Totally different dynamic.

[Revolution512 1480]

11 minutes ago, Davis Lane said:

He did make the call to block the punt that resulted in roughing the kicker penalty in that first CCG against Colorado. 

Too soon

[Doc Reeves 6434]

33 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

This thread should die in a butter-toothed grin of slapped-silliness, but not without it being pointed out that while Mack Brown is the petty bitch that CTJ has pointed him out as being, the sycophantic adulation angle is the only one in which he ought to be compared to the world-class sleazeball that is Joe Paterno. Mack was merely a bureaucratic fuck-up who sowed the seeds of his own demise at a program he admittedly ran pretty well. Paterno was an enabler of pedophilia, pederasty, and probably bad podiatry. Paterno = evil motherfucker, Mack merely made me wanna punch shit. Totally different dynamic.

Well…. Mack may have enabled a teency weency bit…

 

 

Edited May 31, 2021 by Doc Reeves

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

Just now, Doc Reeves said:

Well…. Mack may have enabled a teency weency bit…

Fair enough. I don't know that whole story... don't want to know. But I suspect it's not as bad as what happened at Pedo State, that's all I'm saying.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 minute ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Fair enough. I don't know that whole story... don't want to know. But I suspect it's not as bad as what happened at Pedo State, that's all I'm saying.

one was a blind eye pedo enabler the other ran an escort service for recruits with willing UT sloots which he like to dip his toe (among other things) in from time to time. (iirc)

[WBT 20418]

On 4/7/2021 at 11:42 AM, closetojumping said:

He's actively worked in the past to undermine Texas having success while he was still paid by the program and since through his buddies when assistants ask around or his media friends reach out to him off the record, including Herbstreit. Anyone with a fucking mediocre connection to either people in the media or UT athletics knows all of this.

This part of it seems to go underappreciated.  The entire "Texas is a cesspool" media narrative is the creation of Mack Brown.  Texas fans have no different expectation than those of any other blueblood.

[Funk Doctor Spock 11923]

Fuck Mack Brown. He's a fetal position pussy with thin skin. 

[ImissWallyPryor 9045]

On 5/30/2021 at 7:04 PM, Dbeasy said:

Mack Brown thru 2009 went 21-4 at Texas in games decided by 3 points or less. 21 and 4. 

I looked up his record in games decided in the last minute or so, essentially games won or lost on the final real possession. Often these games were won in the final seconds. FUPM was something like 17-1 in those games, with 2008 Tech game as about the only loss (with proper clock management, his record would have been 18-0).

IMO, that was the most remarkable factoid regarding his career. I posted the exact details somewhere here or on TOS, but I’m not going to research it again.

[ImissWallyPryor 9045]

14 hours ago, Tex Long said:

If they'd hit their on-side KO and rammed it down our throat, we'da  canned his ass on the plane ride home.

If you really think we would have done that, you haven’t been paying attention to Texas athletics. We’ve always held on to coaches waaaaaay too long. 

[Tex Long 4347]

9 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

If you really think we would have done that, you haven’t been paying attention to Texas athletics. We’ve always held on to coaches waaaaaay too long. 

You're not wrong, but it woulda been sooner than later. Muschamp had some ears listening to him. He did get GDGD fired, over Mack's bluff that he would quit before he'd fire his bestie. Too bad Boom didn't get to hire Holgo to run the O... mighta worked out better all the way around.

[n64ra 1077]

On 5/30/2021 at 7:59 PM, MaybeACoordinator said:

How many of those games should have been that close?

I'd find in more valuable to see how other coaches fared in games decided by 3 points are less.

[WBT 20418]

26 minutes ago, n64ra said:

I'd find in more valuable to see how other coaches fared in games decided by 3 points are less.

Taken as a group, I bet they were roughly .500

[Lerka Lerka 1086]

This thread needs to die. 

[Tex Long 4347]

54 minutes ago, Lerka Lerka said:

This thread needs to die. 

You should start a new thread. Call it "UnFuck Mack Brown".

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

On 5/30/2021 at 7:04 PM, Dbeasy said:

Mack Brown thru 2009 went 21-4 at Texas in games decided by 3 points or less. 21 and 4. 
 

Was he the luckiest coach in football history? Was there something he did to have his team perform better in the stretch? He was lucky IMO and Texas benefited greatly from that luck. 

Do we need Mack Brown type luck in order for Sark to have a great career at Texas? Or do we finally have a coach that makes their own luck for the first time since Royal? We have a better coach. 

I went back and looked, and ten of those were impressive wins.

All of the losses were uphauling: home opener vs NC State with all the blocked punts in '99; WTF vs Stanford in 2000; Simms meltdown vs CU in 2001 CCG; and a loss to Ron Prince in Manhattan.  

Highlights:

Taking down aggy in '98. (as underdog)

Road wins over very good K-St and UNL in 2002 (as underdog in both games, maybe)

4-0 with VY across 2004 and 2005. Rose Bowls plus road wins over over tOSU and Arky.

Arky 2004 is somewhat debatable. They were 5-6 that year. On the other hand, it's never easy to win in Fayettenam, for us especially, as their hatred for us is pure as industrial-grade meth. On the other other hand, this was before GDGD and Mack decided to shelve their egos and let Vince be Vince. Benson slugged out 188 tough yards on 29 carries. VY ran 14 times for 56; not sure how many of those were sacks. 

Nothing to get excited about in 2006 or 2007: squeakers over UCF, Iowa in a shitty bowl, a win apiece over bad Okie State and Nebraska teams. These were butt-clenching, sigh of relief games, not glorious victories. 

But he closed out that run with three good ones:  tOSU in the Fiesta, OU, and Ndamakung Suh and his friends.

OU is debatable too. We were ranked #3 and they were #20. Aaron Williams knocked Bradford out of the game (and season) early on, so they were stuck with Landry Jones. I am grading generously here; any win over the Gooners is a good one, esp. when Mack was one the sideline.

So, out of that 21-4, you have ten good wins, eleven that should not have been that close, and four bad losses. 

Which leaves us at 10-4. Four of those 10 came with Superman running the offense so we are now at 6-4.

Three of Colt's wins were against solid teams; the others we should have cruised past. 

ON THE OTHER HAND

Three points is an arbitrary number, and it seems like if you look at one-score games instead of cutting the margin off at a field goal, you might get more good wins in Mack's column than bad losses. I am not going back to tabulate that shit, but it did seem like he won more games than he lost when the margin was 8 or less. 

[Bateshorn 9898]

Fuck Mack Brown.  He ran the program into the ground.  Then actively torpedo it while being fired. And has been badmouthing it for nearly a decade behind the scenes to literally everyone who will listen. Now that he’s had a modicum of success in a conference that is Clemson plus the talent equivalent of directional schools, he’s doing it even more intensely to burnish his reputation.  And he wasn’t the good guy coach people talk about, that program was fucking rife with low grade criminality and head cases that only worked when self policed by the players.  
 

Why do you think we can’t get most of the top notch coaching talent to return our calls?  It’s not because they think the job is too hard.  Football coaches are mostly medium intellect (at best) dudes with the confidence of a man with a 12 inch dick.

 

[Herpa Derpa 6112]

30 minutes ago, Bateshorn said:

Football coaches are mostly medium intellect (at best) dudes with the confidence press conference bravado of a man with a 12 inch dick and the game performance confidence of a eunuch.

fixed for accuracy

Edited June 1, 2021 by Herpa Derpa

[Wally Pryor 5244]

3 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Fuck Mack Brown.  He ran the program into the ground.  Then actively torpedo it while being fired. And has been badmouthing it for nearly a decade behind the scenes to literally everyone who will listen. Now that he’s had a modicum of success in a conference that is Clemson plus the talent equivalent of directional schools, he’s doing it even more intensely to burnish his reputation.  And he wasn’t the good guy coach people talk about, that program was fucking rife with low grade criminality and head cases that only worked when self policed by the players.  
 

Why do you think we can’t get most of the top notch coaching talent to return our calls?  It’s not because they think the job is too hard.  Football coaches are mostly medium intellect (at best) dudes with the confidence of a man with a 12 inch dick.

 

Brown's real torpedo was his phony recruiting trip to Florida and the domino effect it had. 

[Nivek 16857]

3 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

Fuck Mack Brown.  He ran the program into the ground.  Then actively torpedo it while being fired. And has been badmouthing it for nearly a decade behind the scenes to literally everyone who will listen. Now that he’s had a modicum of success in a conference that is Clemson plus the talent equivalent of directional schools, he’s doing it even more intensely to burnish his reputation.  And he wasn’t the good guy coach people talk about, that program was fucking rife with low grade criminality and head cases that only worked when self policed by the players.  
 

Why do you think we can’t get most of the top notch coaching talent to return our calls?  It’s not because they think the job is too hard.  Football coaches are mostly medium intellect (at best) dudes with the confidence of a man with a 12 inch dick.

 

Mack put it near the shoals.   Charlie navigated it into the reefs and ground and then accidentally set it on fire.   Tom pissed on it and pushed it back into the water after applying bandages and bubble gum to fix the damage.  Then he got stuck on a sandbar in low tide with a bunch of bunch of other stuck ships.   Sarks job is to conscript their crews and cannons, strip their goods, hoist the black flag and terrorize the Spanish Big12.   

[CastHorn 793]

Rod Babers was telling a story on the Blitz this week about Harsin being distraught outside the showers after a close Kansas win. Apparently Mack tried to comfort him by comparing the win to the 2004 Kansas win & praising the teams response to adversity. Babers said when Mack walked out the room Harsin had the most puzzled face and was like “What the hell is he talking about?”. There was definitely a disconnect between the staff. It was just a toxic culture.

[Tex Long 4347]

19 hours ago, CastHorn said:

Rod Babers was telling a story on the Blitz this week about Harsin being distraught outside the showers after a close Kansas win. Apparently Mack tried to comfort him by comparing the win to the 2004 Kansas win & praising the teams response to adversity. Babers said when Mack walked out the room Harsin had the most puzzled face and was like “What the hell is he talking about?”. There was definitely a disconnect between the staff. It was just a toxic culture.

Harsin was in fact distraught over having a job where both the HC and the co-OC had custom made saddles they used to ride on Harsin's back, and override his game plans. Where's The Maj this summer?

[PRONG HORN 3107]

 

 

[0xdeadbeef 1626]

From 2000 to 2009 the guy went 110-17.  That is an elite coach. That was a damn fine time to be a Texas fan. 

Screw the haters. We should have a Mac Brown statue outside the stadium.

[Deej 76560]

Never build a statue of anyone who believes they deserve one. 

[Jkwellborn 6653]

From 2000 to 2009 the guy went 110-17.  That is an elite coach. That was a damn fine time to be a Texas fan. 
Screw the haters. We should have a Mac Brown statue outside the stadium.

Fuck you. Do elite coaches come in second place every year they were at the top of their game?

Had he got to the title game and gotten trashed by Miami, then won a extra bcs game, and at least won a title with Colt, then yeah, you could argue he was elite.

[Hank Chinaski 6310]

51 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Fuck you. Do elite coaches come in second place every year they were at the top of their game?

Had he got to the title game and gotten trashed by Miami, then won a extra bcs game, and at least won a title with Colt, then yeah, you could argue he was elite.

I mean, I guess it depends on your definition of "elite." Texas had the best winning% of any P5 team from 00-09. Better than OU, USC, Ohio St, Florida, LSU.

That doesn't necessarily mean he was better than Stoops or Carroll (I'd argue he wasn't, though the difference isn't great) or Tressell (I'd take Mack). He was never what Saban or Urban were, but almost nobody in the history of the sport has been. If those two are the threshold for "elite," then yeah, Mack wasn't in that class. 

I don't know why Mack fell apart after 2009. And I certainly don't need to see a statue of him. But for that decade of 2000-2009, almost nobody in the sport was better. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Hank Chinaski

[Jkwellborn 6653]

I mean, I guess it depends on your definition of "elite." Texas had the best winning% of any P5 team from 00-09. Better than OU, USC, Ohio St, Florida, LSU.
That doesn't necessarily mean he was better than Stoops or Carroll (I'd argue he wasn't, though the difference isn't great) or Tressell (I'd take Mack). He was never what Saban or Urban were, but almost nobody in the history of the sport has been. If those two are the threshold for "elite," then yeah, Mack wasn't in that class. 
I don't know why Mack fell apart after 2009. And I certainly don't need to see a statue of him. But for that decade of 2000-2009, almost nobody in the sport was better. 

I agree. If he had walked away then, people would be a lot less pissed at him. I think he was an elite CEO. But without a doubt, he overstated his abilities.

[ImissWallyPryor 9045]

6 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

From 2000 to 2009 the guy went 110-17.  That is an elite coach. That was a damn fine time to be a Texas fan. 

Screw the haters. We should have a Mac Brown statue outside the stadium.

My vote for statue…

[ousux 5586]

Fuck you. Do elite coaches come in second place every year they were at the top of their game?

Had he got to the title game and gotten trashed by Miami, then won a extra bcs game, and at least won a title with Colt, then yeah, you could argue he was elite.

I recently watched the 2009 championship game again (popped up on my YT feed one night) and I'm still convinced if Colt doesn't go down early we put Bama in a hole they couldn't dig out of with their archaic ground and pound offense at the time.

Not saying we should give Mack credit for a stolen championship, (injuries happen, it was a clean hit on Colt) but he should have had at least 2 while on the 40.

[atomheartbevo 89416]

8 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

From 2000 to 2009 the guy went 110-17.  That is an elite coach. That was a damn fine time to be a Texas fan. 

Screw the haters. We should have a Mac Brown statue outside the stadium.

On the one hand, fantastic record.

On the other hand, if you put up a record like that at UT in that era, you better have been keeping Bob Stoops up at night, and not because you are sending him bags of dicks before the OU game.

Shit, from 2000 - 2004, OU beat us 5 fucking times in a row.

And a truly elite coach should not follow a championship appearance with a fucking 5-7 season.

[Bateshorn 9898]

There are basically 3 stages of Mack’s career:

Building/Arrival:  he shows up in 98, gets Ricky to stay, Unites the warring factions of the Alumni base, and actively recruits in an environment where the NCAA is still taking pay to play seriously.  This stage runs through 2004-5 (although he starts to have problems with keeping some of his top recruits academically eligible)

Stasis/decline:  The active scouting and recruiting has stopped (we are in “offer the top Texas Rival guys and take whomever will say yes” phase), the team is living on the fumes of its glory days, but Mack continues to enjoy the smell of his own farts and doesn’t see the coming decline. At this point, most clear eyed fans realized something was amiss, but the W’s kept coming (mostly due to Colt, Quan, and Shipley). 
 

Collapse: Mack’s failure to actively scout and recruit comes home to roost, the team falls apart, his incurious/CEO approach to coaching means he tries to scheme vis Asst. Coach his way out of a failed foundation. 
 

The reason this thread lives on is not because of the latter stage, it’s because on his way out the door, he actively sabotaged the team and continues to do so.  He doesn’t deserve any future legacy from the school because of that. 
 

Ultimately he will be remembered by the fan base the same way another coach he is most often compared to: John Cooper.  A statistically successful coach that wore out his welcome and everyone would like to move on from.  one of the things that has come out of Dodd’s retirement and Jamail’s death is there is no body who stans for Mack’s legacy with in the UT community.  He might have won the battle with Texas for now, but he will ultimately lose the war about his legacy. 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Bateshorn

[Nivek 16857]

Harsin was in fact distraught over having a job where both the HC and the co-OC had custom made saddles they used to ride on Harsin's back, and override his game plans. Where's The Maj this summer?

Harsin is still way overrated on here.

[Jkwellborn 6653]

I recently watched the 2009 championship game again (popped up on my YT feed one night) and I'm still convinced if Colt doesn't go down early we put Bama in a hole they couldn't dig out of with their archaic ground and pound offense at the time.

Not saying we should give Mack credit for a stolen championship, (injuries happen, it was a clean hit on Colt) but he should have had at least 2 while on the 40.

I agree. It was a dumb play call. I still think had he played Harris some it might have helped, because mobile qbs gave saban fits.