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It has less to do with that and more to do with the breakdown of the nuclear family. It all traces back to fathers staying home and raising their children. Single income families will never escape pov

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I really try to consider every opinion with an open mind, realizing we all have different values, thought processes, cultures, etc. But some of you make this so fucking difficult. I am a school cou

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It does not do that.  I prevents classroom instruction.  Not mentioning you have a spouse.  And it does not target same sex.  It applies equally to any sexual orientation,

I’m sure the first time someone gets slapped with a lawsuit for just my scenario you’ll be back here declaring that the whole thing was a bad idea right?

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They will go wherever they can get the best incentives and deals and the shareholders will only care about the bottom line.  If the State is being openly hostile to them, it's in their interest to start looking elsewhere.  I expect the State is going to cave before that happens though.

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5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I’m sure the first time someone gets slapped with a lawsuit for just my scenario you’ll be back here declaring that the whole thing was a bad idea right?

Why do you hate open courts?  The rules of procedure have plenty of adequate protections for baseless lawsuits.

I don't see a whole lot of lawsuits being filed against broke ass teachers who can't pay a judgment even if you get one.

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4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Why do you hate open courts?  The rules of procedure have plenty of adequate protections for baseless lawsuits.

I don't see a whole lot of lawsuits being filed against broke ass teachers who can't pay a judgment even if you get one.

Your first paragraph is straight bullshit.

 

And you’re about to see frivolous lawsuits filed against judgment proof teachers to make political hay. You know it and I know it. But hey man taxes are gonna stay low right? 

Eta previously frivolous lawsuits I should say

 

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10 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

Move them and probably piss off the shareholders even more.  They've been moving more and more from California to Florida lately.

And I’m sure that had nothing to do with literally having your own municipality in Florida. That horse has left the barn. Now it’s just a swamp with a bunch of rednecks

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Yeah, it's brilliant of Florida to just piss Disney off:

 

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Walt Disney Co. is a prime economic engine for Florida. The sales tax collected on Disney World tickets in 2018 totaled more than $409 million — more than the entire Florida Department of Elder Affairs budget. 

The company employs more than 80,000 Floridians and Oxford Economics found at least 400,000 jobs can be traced to the $75 billion annual economic impact produced by its theme parks and resorts. 

 

Disney may not leave the state, but they sure as hell can inflict some pain if they wanted.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Yeah, it's brilliant of Florida to just piss Disney off:

 

 

Disney may not leave the state, but they sure as hell can inflict some pain if they wanted.

 

 

You don't think the state can with its taxes or enforcement of regulations and building/safety codes?

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2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

You don't think the state can with its taxes or enforcement of regulations and building/safety codes?

Are you implying that Disney runs a dangerous park, or are you implying that desantis is likely to weaponize the state against a political enemy?

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Disney isn't leaving Florida. From what I've seen Disney can challenge this in court pretty easily. The actual effective date in June 2023 which is plenty of time for court cases to render it moot. I've also seen that the residents of the area would have to agree to remove the designation, which forces them to pay higher property taxes and to forgive 2 billion in debt. I highly doubt an area full of Disney employees and Disney fans (people who move to those expensive neighborhoods near the parks) are going to vote to repeal the designation and cost themselves tons of money. Disney also gets a vote as the majority land owner. So it's ultimately up to them and the residents and not Desantis. 

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2 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

It is interesting that a state that is basically 51% R and 49% D gets its congressional seats to be split in a 20 to 8 ratio for R's.  The D's won't win a lawsuit over this because the Supreme Court which is packed with R appointees will say "states' rights" and allow it to happen.  I wonder how many other states have this kind of disproportionate look when it comes to number of R's/D's versus actual representation in congress.  The Senate is just as bad if you look at actual population in each state.  

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24 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Disney isn't leaving Florida. From what I've seen Disney can challenge this in court pretty easily. The actual effective date in June 2023 which is plenty of time for court cases to render it moot. I've also seen that the residents of the area would have to agree to remove the designation, which forces them to pay higher property taxes and to forgive 2 billion in debt. I highly doubt an area full of Disney employees and Disney fans (people who move to those expensive neighborhoods near the parks) are going to vote to repeal the designation and cost themselves tons of money. Disney also gets a vote as the majority land owner. So it's ultimately up to them and the residents and not Desantis. 

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I don't think a lot of people understand what Reedy Creek is or why its a controversy so here's a simple explanation from a long time Florida resident. When Disney first looked at breaking ground in Central Florida for a new theme park in the 1960s, the area was virtually uninhabited with the exception of some small rural farming communities, of which Reedy Creek was one. The counties of Orange and Osceola did not have the resources to provide all the infrastructure and services that Walt Disney World would need. So Disney offered to provide all those services under the provision that they be the sole administrator over them since neither county that Walt Disney World sprawls into had the resources to do so. So the Florida Legislature came up with the Reedy Creek Improvement District which functions as a semi-independent municipality under the administration of the Walt Disney Corporation.

There are legal provisions in the law that specify the scope of this district, how this district is managed and how it may be dissolved; all of which Governor DeSantis and the Florida Legislature just violated with the bill they proposed and passed. Disney knows this, the Florida Legislature knows this, odds are this will be fought in court and won by Disney and thrown out as unconstitutional because the state just violated their own law. Plus, Reedy Creek is a municipality with Florida citizens residing in it and any change to their district would have to be approved by those voters, approval the State of Florida did not get or even ask for.

Additionally, the biggest benefit to Walt Disney Corp is that managing their own municipality allowed them to bypass red tape in typical county zoning and permitting. However, at this point Walt Disney basically owns both Orange and Osceola county and should they be forced to take over administration of Reedy Creek odds are they will create special provisions for Walt Disney Corp. However, both Orange and Osceola would have to absorb any debts the Reedy Creek Improvement District currently holds, which is about 2 billion dollars in bond debt which will have to be immediately reimbursed to the bond holds if the district is dissolved. That, along with the infrastructure costs to maintaining Reedy Creek which would also be passed along to the counties which amount to a tax assessment being levied against every resident in Orange county by about 4000 per year. If Osceola assumes the debt, it would be even higher because that county has a smaller population. The 2 counties will have to sort out who is responsible for what since Walt Disney World sprawls across both counties.

Disney would face a higher tax liability, however, the Florida Legislature passed a law several years ago that limits the amount that counties could raise their property taxes to no more than 10% per year. That would not be enough to cover Reedy Creek's bond debt even with Disney included. Basically Florida would be taking over 2 billion in debt off Disney's books and dropping it on to the Florida taxpayers in central Florida. Disney would also have the added benefit of no longer need to pay for the expense of maintaining the district (fire services, police, medical, sewage, roads, etc) which will also fall onto the Florida taxpayer. All of these savings disney stands to gain more than offsets whatever small tax increase they would pay due to the cap.

Basically this entire stunt is doomed to fail. Its a political game that will go nowhere.

 

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It is interesting that a state that is basically 51% R and 49% D gets its congressional seats to be split in a 20 to 8 ratio for R's.  The D's won't win a lawsuit over this because the Supreme Court which is packed with R appointees will say "states' rights" and allow it to happen.  I wonder how many other states have this kind of disproportionate look when it comes to number of R's/D's versus actual representation in congress.  The Senate is just as bad if you look at actual population in each state.  

Wisconsin

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9 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

Sure they could move Disney World, it'd just be at a 9 figure loss. There are very few companies in the world who could take that big of a haircut and chug right along, but guess who's one of them?

Lol. Everyone would be fired and replaced the second they decided a to take a proposed nine figure loss to the board. 

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15 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Uh.  I found this to be rock solid gold so googled to find the whole thing.  If anyone else would like to read, see inside:

 

https://abovethelaw.com/tag/tamah-jada-clark/

 

Only took her "1 month to study the history of the world and to learn the history and inner workings of American jurisprudence, literally." Fuck, I've wasted so much in student loans. 

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5 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

The Cowboys are worth $6.5 billion and you think Walt Disney World maxes out at $9.999 billion?

 

Completely hypothetical, but consider this.  If Disney decided they were just going to demolition everything in Florida and offer up bidding for whatever state would be willing to house Walt Disney World and all the other parks/resorts, how much in tax incentives, free land, free utilities, free roads, free, well, almost everything do you think other states would be willing to offer?  Because it would be quite a bit.

You have to take the value of whatever incentives would be thrown Disney's way into the equation as well here.  

 

 

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Completely hypothetical, but consider this.  If Disney decided they were just going to demolition everything in Florida and offer up bidding for whatever state would be willing to house Walt Disney World and all the other parks/resorts, how much in tax incentives, free land, free utilities, free roads, free, well, almost everything do you think other states would be willing to offer?  Because it would be quite a bit.

You have to take the value of whatever incentives would be thrown Disney's way into the equation as well here.  

 

 

The states that would hypothetically have the weather to be attractive year round would be limited. But a state like Texas would probably offer a ton. 

But if you’re leaving Florida due to political reasons…

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6 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Kids ask questions all the time. You are OK with a law that puts a teacher at financial and occupational risk for mentioning they have a same sex spouse.

 

I don’t see how you reconcile that with being a party of small government but hey whatever.

 

Funny  how the party that thinks things are so creepy is the party that keeps having members arrested for pedophilia and child porn. 

Don’t worry, pedo normalization is on the left’s roadmap. Just give it a decade. 

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Don’t worry, pedo normalization is on the left’s roadmap. Just give it a decade. 

You mean, like normalize it, so that GOP politicians won't have to face consequences when they're caught fucking/trafficking minors?

 

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I am amazed at how Republicans are taking something that literally does not exist anywhere i.e. sex education for kindergartners and enacting legislation forbidding it. 

Because they have no ideas to actually govern or help people. Made up boogy-man bullshit is all they have anymore.
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1 hour ago, Don Johnson said:

The states that would hypothetically have the weather to be attractive year round would be limited. But a state like Texas would probably offer a ton. 

But if you’re leaving Florida due to political reasons…

Just need about 30000 acres near a major population center, warm weather, international airport and major interstates.  Land acquisition should be no big deal.  And we all now know contraction costs wouldn’t be a big deal.  

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“When Americans are presented with the actual language of the new Florida law, it wins support by more than a two-to-one margin.” That’s from a new poll by Public Opinion Strategies. Overall, 61% of people said they supported the “don’t say gay” law, with 26% opposed.

Even more notable is the breadth of that sentiment. Democratic voters in the poll support the law 55% to 29%. Among suburban voters, which could be a decisive group for the midterm elections, it’s 60% to 30%. Parents: 67% to 24%. Biden voters: 53% to 30%. Respondents who “know someone LGBTQ”: 61% to 28%. Those figures might come as a shock to Florida’s progressive activists, including those who happen to work at Walt Disney.

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Yeah, well:

A majority of Americans oppose legislation restricting classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity, as Republican officials promote what opponents have called “Don’t Say Gay” bills in state legislatures across the US, according to a new poll.

A poll conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News this week found that 62 per cent of Americans oppose such legislation, while 37 per cent support it.

 

Republicans are more likely to support such legislation, with 61 per cent of poll respondents who identify as Republican voters supporting restrictive measures compared to only 20 per cent of Democratic voters and 35 per cent of independent voters

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43 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Just need about 30000 acres near a major population center, warm weather, international airport and major interstates.  Land acquisition should be no big deal.  And we all now know contraction costs wouldn’t be a big deal.  

Far East austin. Just add a terminal or two to the airport.  Hell if Disney starts from scratch they might decide to build their own airport and start an airline that flies to it exclusively. 

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1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Far East austin. Just add a terminal or two to the airport.  Hell if Disney starts from scratch they might decide to build their own airport and start an airline that flies to it exclusively. 

Texas is redder than Florida.  And Austin can’t build roads.  
 

And that land is privately owned in smallish tracts. Can you imagine what it would cost to buy when you know Disney is the buyer?  They had to hide shit 55 years ago when land was cheap and it was a Florida swamp.  

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4 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Yeah, well:

A majority of Americans oppose legislation restricting classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity, as Republican officials promote what opponents have called “Don’t Say Gay” bills in state legislatures across the US, according to a new poll.

A poll conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News this week found that 62 per cent of Americans oppose such legislation, while 37 per cent support it.

 

Republicans are more likely to support such legislation, with 61 per cent of poll respondents who identify as Republican voters supporting restrictive measures compared to only 20 per cent of Democratic voters and 35 per cent of independent voters

Polls like the one I cited with actual text of bills and not pollsters editorializing are far more valid.  

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Texas is redder than Florida.  And Austin can’t build roads.  
 

And that land is privately owned in smallish tracts. Can you imagine what it would cost to buy when you know Disney is the buyer?  They had to hide shit 55 years ago when land was cheap and it was a Florida swamp.  

Yeah. The post wasn’t made in earnest.
 

Wasn’t there some shit a couple decades ago that people were claiming Disney was buying up parcels somewhere in dfw to make a park in the middle of the country?  

texas does love big business though. It would bend over and spread’em up to and including an eminent domain fight if Disney showed interest. 

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8 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yeah. The post wasn’t made in earnest.
 

Wasn’t there some shit a couple decades ago that people were claiming Disney was buying up parcels somewhere in dfw to make a park in the middle of the country?  

texas does love big business though. It would bend over and spread’em up to and including an eminent domain fight if Disney showed interest. 

I only have a very slight knowledge of eminent domain.  But I’m not thinking an amusement park gets you there.  

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I only have a very slight knowledge of eminent domain.  But I’m not thinking an amusement park gets you there.  

How about a racetrack?

the argument would be something along the lines of the park would bring so much more economic impact to Texas and Texans that it needs to proceed despite any land owner protests and holdouts. And it has to be this land because whatever bullshit  

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14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yeah. The post wasn’t made in earnest.
 

Wasn’t there some shit a couple decades ago that people were claiming Disney was buying up parcels somewhere in dfw to make a park in the middle of the country?  

texas does love big business though. It would bend over and spread’em up to and including an eminent domain fight if Disney showed interest. 

Disney has bought land in St.Simons Island, Georgia.

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