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  On 8/19/2022 at 7:02 PM, troph said:

I apparently started this line of nonsense and I honestly don't know what the fuck y'all are arguing about.

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I don't think that you started anything.  I think that the political alignment of the GOP and the evangelicals has ultimately undermined both. I think that that is an interesting discussion to be had. Evangelicals were a very different political beast pre-1980. It is a lot of what ifs in terms of how the political landscape would have shaken out differently under a different set of circumstances. 

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  On 8/19/2022 at 7:32 PM, Brisketexan said:

What amazes me is that you are incapable of embarrassment or shame. 

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I agree that you have plenty to be ashamed of for your past political affiliations.  Past behavior being the best predictor of future behavior, probably more shame in that regard to come.  

Outside that realm, you seem to be an extraordinarily stand up guy, doing the right things, sacrificially, at the drop of a hat for your community and other communities.  It's really a shame that your message board political rhetoric has so significantly taken the form it has.  

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  On 8/19/2022 at 7:51 PM, Anastasis said:

It's really a shame that your message board political rhetoric has so significantly taken the form it has.

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Yeah, my committed opposition to political movements built on cruelty is a super-shame.  I oughta hang my head for that.

As for you, I'm FASCINATED to meet someone whose political choices were always right, never wrong.  We should get some scholars to interview you to write a tome on "how to politics." You stand as a singular example, an outlier from whom we can all truly learn.

Or, alternatively, you are a disingenuous piece of dick.  If I was a betting man........

And as for past being the best predictor of future behavior, that's only true of dumbasses who touch a hot stove.....learn nothing from it, and do it again.  You seem oddly familiar with that type; methinks you project.  As for me, I learned the first time my finger hit a burner when I was 4.  Haven't done it since.  I learn.  And when I learn by getting BURNED, I learn well.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 5:04 AM, Anastasis said:

I'm sorry, what do you disagree with in this post that you negged?

The evangelicals never would have gotten the toe hold they did without the coalescence that was initiated by Roe. It's really amazing the wide ranging political consequences of that decision. 

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Here you go, dude.  I'm not negging you.  I found your participation in the Covid thread to be something helpful.  But in this thread you confound me.

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One of the most durable myths in recent history is that the religious right, the coalition of conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists, emerged as a political movement in response to the U.S. Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion. The tale goes something like this: Evangelicals, who had been politically quiescent for decades, were so morally outraged by Roe that they resolved to organize in order to overturn it.

Some of these anti- Roe crusaders even went so far as to call themselves “new abolitionists,” invoking their antebellum predecessors who had fought to eradicate slavery.

But the abortion myth quickly collapses under historical scrutiny. In fact, it wasn’t until 1979—a full six years after Roe—that evangelical leaders, at the behest of conservative activist Paul Weyrich, seized on abortion not for moral reasons, but as a rallying-cry to deny President Jimmy Carter a second term. Why? Because the anti-abortion crusade was more palatable than the religious right’s real motive: protecting segregated schools. So much for the new abolitionism.

 

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133/

 

Also, please note that the more overall important thing to me is the loss of women's rights soon to be followed by the loss of other's rights.  For me, it really does boil down to her body, her choice.   And given this SC and the movement behind overturning Roe, the loss of the country is kind of a package deal, imo.  Just being honest with where I stand.

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Men who are super anti choice are creepy and give off Sandusky energy.


Back to thread topic, Desantis looks like a hog that’s been roasting over a fire and seems like a fucking fascist. Discuss.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:12 PM, MC Fresh Breath said:

Here you go, dude.  I'm not negging you.  I found your participation in the Covid thread to be something helpful.  But in this thread you confound me.

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Nothing in the piece that you quote and bold contradicts the post of mine that you quoted. If further context required, post #2035 should suffice. 

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:20 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Lol, y'all would have a better chance of getting Fatty to interact in a genuine way than fucking Anastasis.  

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Fatty is actually honest and forthright, with no subterfuge or disingenuous bullshit.  It may be stupid, and logically indefensible, but he's 1,000 times more genuine and honest than Ana.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:44 PM, Brisketexan said:

Fatty is actually honest and forthright, with no subterfuge or disingenuous bullshit.  It may be stupid, and logically indefensible, but he's 1,000 times more genuine and honest than Ana.

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You should really think about setting up some sessions and talking to a psychologist. 

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:36 PM, Anastasis said:

 

Nothing in the piece that you quote and bold contradicts the post of mine that you quoted. If further context required, post #2035 should suffice. 

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In a prior post you stated "that Roe was not a key initiating moment in the evangelical take over of the GOP.  "

Which the article quite clearly contradicts.  Note:
 

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W. A. Criswell, the Southern Baptist Convention’s former president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas—also one of the most famous fundamentalists of the 20th century—was pleased: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” he said, “and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.

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You tone it down a bit and in your 2035 state "But the political vehicle that that group coalesced behind in a politically effective way was abortion"

But it wasn't Roe, it wasn't abortion, that got the evangelicals a foothold.  Just like the drug war, which I'm pretty sure you oppose, it was racism. 

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But this hypothetical “moral majority” needed a catalyst—a standard around which to rally. For nearly two decades, Weyrich, by his own account, had been trying out different issues, hoping one might pique evangelical interest: pornography, prayer in schools, the proposed Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, even abortion. “I was trying to get these people interested in those issues and I utterly failed,” Weyrich recalled at a conference in 1990.


 

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That they later turned to abortion to be that catalyst (as better detailed in that piece, and others easily googled)  doesn't mean Roe was some horrible trigger.   No more than a woman wearing a mini skirt is a trigger for rape.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:51 PM, Anastasis said:

You should really think about setting up some sessions and talking to a psychologist. 

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The day I become even 10% as disingenuous as you, I will run not walk to a session.  Probably because my wife already would have kicked me out of the house.  So, for now, I'm good.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:18 PM, bonnieblue said:

Men who are super anti choice are creepy and give off Sandusky energy.


Back to thread topic, Desantis looks like a hog that’s been roasting over a fire and seems like a fucking fascist. Discuss.

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He's got a Skoal Brother face. There is a non-zero chance that DeSantis has drooled tobacco spit into somebody else's Coke can.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 7:51 PM, Anastasis said:

I agree that you have plenty to be ashamed of for your past political affiliations.  Past behavior being the best predictor of future behavior, probably more shame in that regard to come.

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Then how'd you vote for a rapist?

 

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  On 8/19/2022 at 8:54 PM, Brisketexan said:

The day I become even 10% as disingenuous as you, I will run not walk to a session.  Probably because my wife already would have kicked me out of the house.  So, for now, I'm good.

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Dude we know. The only behavioral problem that’s transparent about you is this:

You do not use the goddamned “ignore” feature nearly as often as you should.

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  On 8/18/2022 at 12:55 PM, troph said:

This board has been amazing but at times very turbulent. It’s not as bad as it once was (however the last couple of years are the second most turbulent times) but I do believe those that were open to changing their minds have.

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You can toss so,e of the blame at Texas football.   I still think the chaos on the board directly ties into how well Texas football is doing.

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  On 8/19/2022 at 11:20 PM, atomheartbevo said:

You can toss so,e of the blame at Texas football.   I still think the chaos on the board directly ties into how well Texas football is doing.

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That and our slow and steady descent into christofascism. Losing to Kansas twice definitely sped things up though 

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  On 8/19/2022 at 11:20 PM, atomheartbevo said:

You can toss so,e of the blame at Texas football.   I still think the chaos on the board directly ties into how well Texas football is doing.

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I’m very aware this is a real phenomenon. But surliness and pure bigotry are two different lines only one is excusable when Texas sucks. People are edgy sure but haters gonna hate no matter the score and you know what? Fuck them. Shun and silence.  

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If Trump doesn't run, it's Ron's coronation. Get ready to hear "woke, woke, woke, woke woke." It's the only word the guy seems to say.

If Trump does run... man, any sort of debate is going to be must-see TV.



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