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To be fair, he walked normally once he got off the stage but those few seconds from podium to floor were goofy as shit.  
 

I don’t forget they Christie tried to blow Trump early on , but he least comes across as a human being.  Ron and Vivek absolutely do not.  I don’t know the fuck America is gonna do with these two assholes who are both gonna be around for a long while

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1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

To be fair, he walked normally once he got off the stage but those few seconds from podium to floor were goofy as shit.  
 

I don’t forget they Christie tried to blow Trump early on , but he least comes across as a human being.  Ron and Vivek absolutely do not.  I don’t know the fuck America is gonna do with these two assholes who are both gonna be around for a long while

I am not sure about that.  If Trump loses next year, and especially if that loss is combined with widespread rejection of MAGA  in congressional and statewide races, I think it’s possible the movement fades pretty quickly, in which case guys like Vivek will be totally ignored and guys like DeSantis will have to either dramatically change their tune or be pushed deep into the background.  Less shittastic candidates like Rubio or Sasse or Hogan will become the face of the GOP if it even survives.  There’s no guarantee of that outcome but it’s hard to see the GOP doubling down after a 6 year losing streak.

Of course, if Trump wins then all bets are off and these assholes will suddenly have a fuckload more contestants joining their race to the bottom.

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I wonder if this national campaign flop will hurt him in Florida. This is a whole new spotlight showing him as just how unlikeable a person he is. He's always been hate-able for his actions, but that really doesn't count as much as emotional response these days. Do I need to name the example?

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19 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

I am not sure about that.  If Trump loses next year, and especially if that loss is combined with widespread rejection of MAGA  in congressional and statewide races, I think it’s possible the movement fades pretty quickly, in which case guys like Vivek will be totally ignored and guys like DeSantis will have to either dramatically change their tune or be pushed deep into the background.  Less shittastic candidates like Rubio or Sasse or Hogan will become the face of the GOP if it even survives.  There’s no guarantee of that outcome but it’s hard to see the GOP doubling down after a 6 year losing streak.

They've already been losing steam, and it's a combination of Trump losing, Trump looking/sounding miserable with his court hearings, Trump-endorsed candidates losing all over the place, all of the J6 people being arrested/sentenced/being tagged with felonies, and so on.  But Trump has to be on the (R) ticket next year, or MAGA stays home. Trump is going to be running on the same ticket as abortion though (plenty of down-ballot Republican candidates will happily try to make 2024 about abortion). He could get beat even worse than 2020.

Totally agree that Vivek will be ignored, and I think DeSantis is finished - Trump has been wrecking him, and he just has absolutely no charisma, and him trying to bring state resources into his campaign smells of desperation. 

I think Kim Reynolds endorsing DeSantis is less about DeSantis and more about Reynolds breaking with Trump/MAGA.  I expect that even though she's in her 60s, she will be a potential contender next time around - she could easily get the BMDs.

Kim Reynolds, Rubio, Sasse, Hogan are all going to be players once the dust settles and MAGA retreats.  I would toss in Kristi Noem, but her personal life will be fodder.

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5 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I wonder if this national campaign flop will hurt him in Florida. This is a whole new spotlight showing him as just how unlikeable a person he is. He's always been hate-able for his actions, but that really doesn't count as much as emotional response these days. Do I need to name the example?

Well the only other thing he could run for is senator. I don't really see that going anywhere.

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5 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Well the only other thing he could run for is senator. I don't really see that going anywhere.

If some vicious fuck runs for governor of Fla and out MAGAs DeSantis to win. I guess, typically, we'd be replacing this POS with a worse POS.

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2 hours ago, YGIFS said:

To be fair, he walked normally once he got off the stage but those few seconds from podium to floor were goofy as shit.  
 

I don’t forget they Christie tried to blow Trump early on , but he least comes across as a human being.  Ron and Vivek absolutely do not.  I don’t know the fuck America is gonna do with these two assholes who are both gonna be around for a long while

Have to get the blood flowing to the toes again...

I would love to see MAGA fall apart and someone like Larry Hogan get more attention.  Shoot, if I had to pick from this group of jokers, I would go with Christie.  Its like saying "stomach punch" vs "kick in the nuts" but you've got to make choices.

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If some vicious fuck runs for governor of Fla and out MAGAs DeSantis to win. I guess, typically, we'd be replacing this POS with a worse POS.

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iirc he's term limited in tallahassee. 

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Rick Scott is running for 2024 Senate re-election, but I suspect that will be his last term.  But that still takes him to 2030/31 at the age of 77 (he's turning 71 in a few weeks).  Rubio will only give up his seat for a POTUS or VP nomination and that's not happening anytime soon.  So again, as we've discussed, DeSantis doesn't have many options after he terms out.  the RNC needs his state to not tilt back to purple, so he has that going for him, but he's just a fucking awful candidate.  And nobody, even the people he makes money for, likes him.  And say some other GOP moderate comes along in 2028 and wins the Oval.  Why in the fucking world would you put DeSantis in your cabinet?  I'm sure he picked up some legal prowess in the Navy, but he's not AG material.  What the fuck else would he do, Secretary of the Interior maybe?  Nobody, even in the current incarnation of the GOP, is insane enough to appoint him to the Supreme Court.  

I think he's just crazy enough to challenge Rubio in 2026.  And I think Don, Jr. will as well.  And that'll the most epic Senate primary in U.S. history.  If it wasn't taking place in Florida, I'd move there for a year just to watch it unfold.

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They've already been losing steam, and it's a combination of Trump losing, Trump looking/sounding miserable with his court hearings, Trump-endorsed candidates losing all over the place, all of the J6 people being arrested/sentenced/being tagged with felonies, and so on.  But Trump has to be on the (R) ticket next year, or MAGA stays home. Trump is going to be running on the same ticket as abortion though (plenty of down-ballot Republican candidates will happily try to make 2024 about abortion). He could get beat even worse than 2020.

Totally agree that Vivek will be ignored, and I think DeSantis is finished - Trump has been wrecking him, and he just has absolutely no charisma, and him trying to bring state resources into his campaign smells of desperation. 

I think Kim Reynolds endorsing DeSantis is less about DeSantis and more about Reynolds breaking with Trump/MAGA.  I expect that even though she's in her 60s, she will be a potential contender next time around - she could easily get the BMDs.

Kim Reynolds, Rubio, Sasse, Hogan are all going to be players once the dust settles and MAGA retreats.  I would toss in Kristi Noem, but her personal life will be fodder.

I don’t see how Reynolds will be in the mix in a post-MAGA GOP.  She has a long history of adhering to MAGA principles.  Didn’t recognize Biden’s victory.  Botched the shit out of COVID response.  Multiple DUIs.  Hardest core anti-abortion stance.

I could be deadass wrong but I think a Hogan/Rubio ticket would destroy Biden/Harris.

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43 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

I don’t see how Reynolds will be in the mix in a post-MAGA GOP.  She has a long history of adhering to MAGA principles.  Didn’t recognize Biden’s victory.  Botched the shit out of COVID response.  Multiple DUIs.  Hardest core anti-abortion stance.

I could be deadass wrong but I think a Hogan/Rubio ticket would destroy Biden/Harris.

She tossed her MAGA credentials away when she endorsed DeSantis.

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3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

I could be deadass wrong but I think a Hogan/Rubio ticket would destroy Biden/Harris.

Does anybody outside the beltway know anything about Hogan?  Trump was a television celebrity that olds could endorse and said racist, mean stuff that appealed to bullies.  Hogan is none of that, and was vocal about not supporting Trump on many issues.  His time on the national stage would've been better as a moderate VP in the 80s.  

That's not coming back with this Republican base, they'll sit out before they support a moderate.  And Rubio sounds too Mescan for a base, that largely sees all latinos or Spanish speakers as illegal Mexicans.  Karen isn't trying to learn geography or ethnicity, she wants all latinos to go back to Mexico and blacks to keep serving her mint juleps while occupying separate facilities.

America is growing, but not to their way of thinking. While targeted suppression is their means of control, they lost that with legislating choice that affected over half the population.  Part of their delimma is whether they double down or pull back. Trump says fuck all that, I'll burn the party to the ground.  And while I'm here for that, his fanatics and more GOP talking heads are for burning Democracy to the ground.  Democracy is only useful if it works to serve them.  Hogan/Rubio aint that ticket.   

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He could run for an Alabama senate seat.

"I was geographically raised in Tampa Bay," DeSantis writes in his new memoir, The Courage to Be Free, per NBC News, "but culturally my upbringing reflected the working-class communities in western Pennsylvania and northeast Ohio"

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“What are you supposed to do? I mean, I used to say even when they would just fire the normal rockets because they’ve been firing these rockets for years and years. And I thought to myself, like, if the Bahamas were firing rockets into Fort Lauderdale, like, we would not accept that for, like, one minute. I mean, we would just level it. We would never be willing to live like that as Americans,” DeSantis said during a different stop in another Iowa city.

What is he, a 14-YO girl?

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I don’t see how Reynolds will be in the mix in a post-MAGA GOP.  She has a long history of adhering to MAGA principles.  Didn’t recognize Biden’s victory.  Botched the shit out of COVID response.  Multiple DUIs.  Hardest core anti-abortion stance.

I could be deadass wrong but I think a Hogan/Rubio ticket would destroy Biden/Harris.

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In March 2021, Reynolds voiced her opposition to the American Rescue Plan Act of 2021, saying it would "provide bigger checks to states who chose aggressive shutdowns and mismanaged their state budgets." In September 2021, she touted $100 million in funding for Iowa's water infrastructure that was funded by the bill.[79]

In May 2021, Reynolds signed into law a bill that prohibited businesses and local governments from requiring customers to have proof of vaccination.[80] She also signed into law a bill that prohibited school districts from requiring masks.[80]

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Reynolds married Kevin Reynolds in 1982. They have three daughters.[81] Reynolds attends the Lutheran Church of Hope.[82][83]

Reynolds was twice charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, in 1999 and in August 2000.[84][25] In 2000, she was initially charged with Second Offense DUI, but was allowed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor.[25] In 2017, Reynolds said she had sought inpatient treatment for alcoholism after her second arrest and had been sober for nearly 17 years.[25][85]

 

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When she tells the porn star “you just say they were doing anal”, I fucking cry every time at the woman’s face.  I bet I rewound that ten times.  
 

and yes, to back to the Bahamas thing.  He picks the Bahamas, when Cuba is right there and infinitely more appropriate.  Wasn’t he…you know…in the fucking Navy?

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When she tells the porn star “you just say they were doing anal”, I fucking cry every time at the woman’s face.  I bet I rewound that ten times.  
 

and yes, to back to the Bahamas thing.  He picks the Bahamas, when Cuba is right there and infinitely more appropriate.  Wasn’t he…you know…in the fucking Navy?

He served with Navy Seals, in Afghanistan.

By the definition of A. being in the service, and B. being in the same country, I bet many of this board have some gung-ho warfighting qualifications. Hell, I served with several US Presidents right here in the homeland.

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He served with Navy Seals, in Afghanistan.

That's one of my favorite of Ron's many lies.  He crafts the verbiage to make suckers think he was a SEAL, when in fact he was a Navy lawyer who deployed alongside the SEALS.

He actually has a reasonably good background -- Yale undergrad (captain of the baseball team), Harvard law, Navy officer, etc.  But like so many Republicans (ahem Santos) he just can't help himself.

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That's one of my favorite of Ron's many lies.  He crafts the verbiage to make suckers think he was a SEAL, when in fact he was a Navy lawyer who deployed alongside the SEALS.

He actually has a reasonably good background -- Yale undergrad (captain of the baseball team), Harvard law, Navy officer, etc.  But like so many Republicans (ahem Santos) he just can't help himself.

It's not just a Ron thing. Fake Navy SEAL is the MOS of choice of otherwise honorable mechanics, supply clerks, and, I suppose, JAG lawyers.

Woe betide our foes when next we unleash the Fake Navy SEALS.

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I noticed this all started after Bin Laden was killed by a SEAL team.  Nobody serving/had served in the Navy made themselves out to be SEALS, but Americans just kinda projected it onto them.  My Qanon cousin in Dripping Springs suddenly started saying, "There's a Navy SEAL on our street, you'll meet him at Thanksgiving."  Turns out the guy was a former PO3 comms/SIGINT sailor, just like my father.  Impeccable service record, but not a Navy SEAL.  You can just say what your service was and be damn proud of it.  I worked briefly with a guy a couple of years ago who was a JAG officer in the USMC.  He serviced cases and theater rules of Force Recon and some other surly units, but never claims to have been "In Force Recon."  He served in some shit places and could have been taken out between posts by an IED or sniper, but makes no pretend time about being in heavy combat.  

Ron doesn't have to go into detail about what he did.  By all accounts, he served admirably in some rough areas when he didn't have to go at all.  But he also doesn't correct anyone when they say he's a Navy SEAL.  And as pointed out above, he's really starting to downplay having attended Yale and Harvard.  He's trying to pull a Trump, yet again.  Trump never leads with having gone to an Ivy League school.  But he never plays it down either.  When he needs to show off how smart he is, he'll drop "Wharton", but it''s not something he talks about regularly.  Whereas some candidates can't shut the fuck up about it.  But that was always funny to me, that Trump---when he did mention college---would say "Wharton" instead of "Penn."  Two things that stand out about that---most of his base doesn't know what "Penn" is.  They know "Penn State", so like their own state there must be a State U. and a U. of.  In this case, Penn.  But it's a private Ivy, not a public land-grant.  And that he pulls the "Wharton" thing, which is commonplace among b-school grads, but not really among the rest of the public, college grads or otherwise.  Engineers or Teachers or Geologists don't lead with the name of the particular CSU at their alma mater.  They just say Yale, or Kentucky, or Idaho State.  But in the business-school world, it's common to hear Sloan, McCombs, Wharton, or Kellogg instead of the actual University name.  He does this as a tacit nod to other actual influential people, while maintaining an aura of mystique with his stupid base.  It's actually one of the few clever things he does well. 

DeSantis is attempting to emulate it, and as usual---is failing spectacularly because he's visibly uncomfortable attempting it.  Not saying Ron has always been an exemplary human being, but he was at least once normal and aspirational.  He's trying to learn, in mid-life/on-the-fly/under-the-spotlight, a new set of skills and engagement that are foreign to him.  He's trying to look like he knows what he's doing without looking like he's trying to seem like he knows what he's doing.  With Trump, it comes easy because it's in his bones.  He has always been this way.  He just has to occasionally remember it, but it's all muscle memory.

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It’s crazy this must be repeated:

DeSantis opposed Ronna McDaniel for RNC chair and supported an alternative while Trump *whipped* for Ronna with the help of Susie Wiles and bragged about putting Ronna in power.

Anyone saying otherwise is lying and thinks you’re stupid. Also, notice how DeSantis and Trump differ here. DeSantis supported replacing Ronna because she has been bad for the *country* while Trump supported Ronna because the RNC under her has been good to *him*.

DeSantis explained to Charlie Kirk in an interview why the RNC has failed under Ronna and provided some food for thought about putting it back in touch with the base and the way forward.

None of that mattered or matters to Trump. It’s all about him. Ronna has been good to him, so it didn’t matter the Republican base wanted her gone.

Later, Kirk would say: “The current RNC regime that loses and wastes your money and sends you emails and hates you might have got across the finish line because Mar-a-Lago advocated for it.” But it wasn’t even a question that was the case.

Now people want to rewrite the record. Don’t let them.

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18 minutes ago, mdmost said:

DeSantis tried to run his "false narratives" play and Newsom handed him his ass. That shit only works against journalists he can bully. 

I'm really starting to believe that DeSantis did not want to run, but either his wife pushed him, or he didn't want to go back to a lesser position and he was term-limited, so throw his hat in the ring and hope somebody picks him for a cabinet spot.  He's just so uncomfortable on stage, and looks like he doesn't know what he's doing or why he's doing it.

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I'm really starting to believe that DeSantis did not want to run, but either his wife pushed him, or he didn't want to go back to a lesser position and he was term-limited, so throw his hat in the ring and hope somebody picks him for a cabinet spot.  He's just so uncomfortable on stage, and looks like he doesn't know what he's doing or why he's doing it.

I fully believe that DeSantis wholeheartedly wants to run for President, but lacks any self-awareness to discern what an awkward and socially inept piece of shit he really is.

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I fully believe that DeSantis wholeheartedly wants to run for President, but lacks any self-awareness to discern what an awkward and socially inept piece of shit he really is.

True - he may have thought he'd be able to cruise right on into the White House, on either side of the ticket, because he was governor of a large state.  Abbott was probably the same way.

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I think it's the natural result of the insular world he created for himself down in Florida. He thought he had more appeal than he did outside of his state. And as Newsom so beautifully pointed out, he's down 41 points in his own state to Trump. 

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True - he may have thought he'd be able to cruise right on into the White House, on either side of the ticket, because he was governor of a large state.  Abbott was probably the same way.

I lived in Florida for the majority of his tenure as governor. That asshole really thought he was the shit. Like he was just short of being able to walk on water. All the diehard maga types from around the country had been fed the bullshit by Fox News about what a wonderful job he was doing in Florida. None of them actually being exposed to his bullshit and definitely not seeing how horrible he was with people. Also, no idea just how weird he is. I'm loving every minute of his downfall. He deserves that and much worse. 

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