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It has less to do with that and more to do with the breakdown of the nuclear family. It all traces back to fathers staying home and raising their children. Single income families will never escape pov

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I really try to consider every opinion with an open mind, realizing we all have different values, thought processes, cultures, etc. But some of you make this so fucking difficult. I am a school cou

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18 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

When someone bans the teaching of African-American studies in schools and tries to whitewash American history when it comes to the treatment of slaves and of black people post-emancipation, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to label them as racists. They’re certainly racist policies. When someone asks why you don’t denounce the neo-Nazis who support you and you respond by attacking the media, you might be a little racist. And when you’re trying to ban books and companies and people because they don’t conform to your ideology, that makes you a fascist. You know who else thinks so? Other fascists.

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18 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

When someone bans the teaching of African-American studies in schools and tries to whitewash American history when it comes to the treatment of slaves and of black people post-emancipation, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to label them as racists. They’re certainly racist policies. When someone asks why you don’t denounce the neo-Nazis who support you and you respond by attacking the media, you might be a little racist. And when you’re trying to ban books and companies and people because they don’t conform to your ideology, that makes you a fascist. You know who else thinks so? Other fascists.

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Say what you will about actual German Nazis.  They never cowered behind a mask even in their last days.  Even at church or the market and out of uniform, they wore the armband and held their chin up for all to see.  
 

these Americans are even more fucked up because most Nazis didn’t know where the party was headed.  Just making it up as they went along.  These Americans know everything that happened in hindsight and chose to adopt it anyway.  
 

though never accepted as a legal defense, Nazis were given a platform from which to declare they were just following orders, it was the fog of war, or we didn’t know the scope/scale of what was happening.  These MAGA dipshits rationale is “I dunno, Kid rock and Kanye West make some pretty compelling arguments”

this fucking simulation. 

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Oh he's a massive pussy who won't be able to deal with not being able to bully people like he does in Florida. And everyone will be gunning for him. Trump, Tim Scott, Christie, Nikki, all the other also rans. He can bully the media in Florida but when he gets on that debate stage and can't control the narrative or shut down a question, he's going to fold. 

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Oh he's a massive pussy who won't be able to deal with not being able to bully people like he does in Florida. And everyone will be gunning for him. Trump, Tim Scott, Christie, Nikki, all the other also rans. He can bully the media in Florida but when he gets on that debate stage and can't control the narrative or shut down a question, he's going to fold. 

 

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38 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Oh he's a massive pussy who won't be able to deal with not being able to bully people like he does in Florida. And everyone will be gunning for him. Trump, Tim Scott, Christie, Nikki, all the other also rans. He can bully the media in Florida but when he gets on that debate stage and can't control the narrative or shut down a question, he's going to fold. 

Trump would actually take a debate with DeSantis just to mock his height.

"Oh look, Ron DeSanctimonious wore his high heels tonight!  Ron, aren't you fighting cross-dressing in Florida?"

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Oh he's a massive pussy who won't be able to deal with not being able to bully people like he does in Florida. And everyone will be gunning for him. Trump, Tim Scott, Christie, Nikki, all the other also rans. He can bully the media in Florida but when he gets on that debate stage and can't control the narrative or shut down a question, he's going to fold. 

He’s going to be the proxy punching bag for all the other pussy candidates to attack Trumpism without actually attacking Trump.
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17 hours ago, mdmost said:

Oh he's a massive pussy who won't be able to deal with not being able to bully people like he does in Florida. And everyone will be gunning for him. Trump, Tim Scott, Christie, Nikki, all the other also rans. He can bully the media in Florida but when he gets on that debate stage and can't control the narrative or shut down a question, he's going to fold. 

Agree.  But ‘fold’ is putting it kindly.  It’s gonna be the fucking Hindenburg.  Can’t wait.  Maybe he won’t admit it, but Trump hates Ron 1000000x more than Sleepy Joe.  It’s gonna be high comedy.  

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On 5/22/2023 at 11:56 AM, YGIFS said:

these Americans are even more fucked up because most Nazis didn’t know where the party was headed.  Just making it up as they went along.  

First of all fuck Nazis, all of them, everywhere all the time.

Second of all, Bullshit!  Don't infantilize a bunch of fucking Nazis.  They knew what was happening.  They saw it, they heard it, and they cheered their fucking rotten asses off for it.

I have been on a genealogy kick lately...  No fucking Nazis so far, but a whole shitload of raggedy assed slave owners.  You should read their wills.  Giving their daughters a "boy" to keep as an attendant.  And "boy" is doing double duty here, because they were literally giving away "the youngest boy of my slave "betty".  An accessory like a Gucci purse, so they can be seen in polite society.  So Betty just had to say goodbye to her child because some old asshole kicked the bucket.  Fuck them, fuck them all.  And more importantly do not look away from that horror or make excuses for the horrible cunts they were.  Because that's the stuff that Ron and his ilk would like you to forget or at least not talk about in polite society.

 

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1. Let me tie my campaign forever to the dude that's gone off the deep end and everyone now hates... except for "your meme game is strong" guy.

2. I don't think "Make America Florida" has quite the ring around the rest of the country that you might think it does.

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4 hours ago, locodos said:

First of all fuck Nazis, all of them, everywhere all the time.

Second of all, Bullshit!  Don't infantilize a bunch of fucking Nazis.  They knew what was happening.  They saw it, they heard it, and they cheered their fucking rotten asses off for it.

I have been on a genealogy kick lately...  No fucking Nazis so far, but a whole shitload of raggedy assed slave owners.  You should read their wills.  Giving their daughters a "boy" to keep as an attendant.  And "boy" is doing double duty here, because they were literally giving away "the youngest boy of my slave "betty".  An accessory like a Gucci purse, so they can be seen in polite society.  So Betty just had to say goodbye to her child because some old asshole kicked the bucket.  Fuck them, fuck them all.  And more importantly do not look away from that horror or make excuses for the horrible cunts they were.  Because that's the stuff that Ron and his ilk would like you to forget or at least not talk about in polite society.

 

You conveniently left out "most" from your bolded streak.  51% of members of the German National Socialist Party did not know the endgame other than military conquest and recapture of lost lands.  The reason I use this illustration is because 99% of current White Nationalists Sympathizers in the United States have the luxury of looking back on the whole of Nazism and completely understand on what is was based, where it was headed, and the ensuing results.  I do not excuse the vast majority of German's behaviors but the fact remains, 51% of them (MOST!) did not know the extent, nor participate in, the Final Solution.  They just didn't.  Movies and mini-series aside, they were as much in the dark as 95% of the Allied Population.  I use it as an illustration because they can hide behind ignorance, disinformation, or lack of communication...wrong though it may be.  But I use them to demonstrate that is no longer the case...the people in our country currently embracing it and projecting onto the Nazi platform are far more dangerous because they have the benefit of hindsight and choose anyway.  It was a political party that was 51% people going along with some sick shit.  But they didn't know history nor the future.  

What we are about to deal with...these people do know their history.  And they want an entirely different future.  Look at the backlash on just a few hundred of them going to prison for beating up cops at our seat of government, usurping our government, and stealing nuclear secrets.  Look at the violent outbursts.  This is only going to get worse.  They're only going to get more violent.  They don't even like Asians shopping at malls or Blacks at grocery stores.  They see the ugliness and eventual defeat of Nazism......................and they wanna play anyway.  That should tell you something...they are far, far worse than National Socialism in the Third Reich.  What we have now is something altogether different and it's going to get much, much uglier because we have no external opponent on which to cast our shit.  

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An elementary school in Dade county has banned Amanda Gorman’s inaugural poem.
 
ONE complaint was all it took. Something tells me there are many more parents offended the poem was banned. 

And the one bitch who filed a complaint?

Has deep ties to The Proud Boys and other white supremacy groups.

Detailed thread of this cunt -

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10 hours ago, YGIFS said:

You conveniently left out "most" from your bolded streak.  51% of members of the German National Socialist Party did not know the endgame other than military conquest and recapture of lost lands.  The reason I use this illustration is because 99% of current White Nationalists Sympathizers in the United States have the luxury of looking back on the whole of Nazism and completely understand on what is was based, where it was headed, and the ensuing results.  I do not excuse the vast majority of German's behaviors but the fact remains, 51% of them (MOST!) did not know the extent, nor participate in, the Final Solution.  They just didn't.  Movies and mini-series aside, they were as much in the dark as 95% of the Allied Population.  I use it as an illustration because they can hide behind ignorance, disinformation, or lack of communication...wrong though it may be.  But I use them to demonstrate that is no longer the case...the people in our country currently embracing it and projecting onto the Nazi platform are far more dangerous because they have the benefit of hindsight and choose anyway.  It was a political party that was 51% people going along with some sick shit.  But they didn't know history nor the future.  

What we are about to deal with...these people do know their history.  And they want an entirely different future.  Look at the backlash on just a few hundred of them going to prison for beating up cops at our seat of government, usurping our government, and stealing nuclear secrets.  Look at the violent outbursts.  This is only going to get worse.  They're only going to get more violent.  They don't even like Asians shopping at malls or Blacks at grocery stores.  They see the ugliness and eventual defeat of Nazism......................and they wanna play anyway.  That should tell you something...they are far, far worse than National Socialism in the Third Reich.  What we have now is something altogether different and it's going to get much, much uglier because we have no external opponent on which to cast our shit.  

Maybe we are talking past each other... but I generally agree with your concern

I didn't deliberately leave off most.  I can tell you the old narrative that emerged post war in the 50s & 60s (which many in the US were taught in the 70's/80's) of the simple German duped by a monster,  hasn't held up to historical examination.   The vast majority of GERMANS (nevermind Nazis) knew what was happening because it was printed up in their Newspapers and distributed.  Not knowing would have taken some effort.

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  • The mass of ordinary Germans did know about the evolving terror of Hitler's Holocaust, according to a new research study. They knew concentration camps were full of Jewish people who were stigmatised as sub-human and race-defilers. They knew that these, like other groups and minorities, were being killed out of hand.

They knew that Adolf Hitler had repeatedly forecast the extermination of every Jew on German soil. They knew these details because they had read about them. They knew because the camps and the measures which led up to them had been prominently and proudly reported step by step in thousands of officially-inspired German media articles and posters according to the study, which is due to be published simultaneously in Britain and the US early next month and which was described as ground-breaking by Oxford University Press yesterday and already hailed by other historians.

 

The reports, in newspapers and magazines all over the country were phases in a public process of "desensitisation" which worked all too well, culminating in the killing of 6m Jews, says Robert Gellately. His book, Backing Hitler, is based on the first systematic analysis by a historian of surviving German newspaper and magazine archives since 1933, the year Hitler became chancellor. The survey took hundreds of hours and yielded dozens of folders of photocopies, many of them from the 24 main newspapers and magazines of the period.

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Its results, Professor Gellately says, destroy the claim - generally made by Germans after Berlin fell in 1945 and accepted by most historians - that they did not know about camp atrocities. He concludes by indicating that the only thing many Germans may not have known about was the use of industrial-scale gas chambers because, unusually, no media reports were allowed of this "final solution". However, by the end of the war camps were all over the country and many Germans worked in them.

Yesterday OUP said his study exposed "once and for all the substantial consent and active participation of large numbers of ordinary Germans". Its head of historical publishing, Ruth Parr, called it a landmark study of the terror. "He asks and answers some very difficult questions about how much the ordinary German people knew about the Nazi atrocities, and to what degree they supported them," she said.

A leading British-born Holocaust historian, Professor Michael Burleigh, said the book was "original and outstanding, genuinely important". Another authority on the camps, Professor Omer Bartov, of Brown University, Rhode Island, US, described Backing Hitler as "path-breaking - a crucial contribution to our understanding of the relationship between consent and coercion in modern dictatorship".

Conventional wisdom among post war historians has been that - as Lord Dahrendorf, ex-warden of St Antony's College, Oxford, says in his study Society and Democracy in Germany (1966) - "It is certainly true that most Germans 'did not know' about National Socialist crimes of violence; nothing precise, that is, because they did not ask any questions_." A common explanation among influential modern German historians, including Hans-Ulrich Thamer in his study Wooing and Violence (1986) is that the Nazis "seduced" an unwilling or passive public.

Gellately, professor in Holocaust history at Clark University, Massachusetts, offers a mass of detail to support the theme of an earlier work, Daniel Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners, which caused an international sensation in 1995. Goldhagen's theme was that "what the Nazis actually did was to unshackle and thereby activate Germans' pre-existing, pent-up anti-semitism".

Gellately began his inquiry after finding a press report -published as routine - of a woman reported to the Gestapo for "looking Jewish" and allegedly having sex with a neighbour. "For decades my generation had been told that so much of the terror had been carried out in complete secrecy," he writes.

His media trawl, with a research assistant, found that as early as 1933 local papers reported the killing of 12 prisoners by guards at Dachau, the first to be set up as a "model" concentration camp initially for communists. On May 23 the Dachauer Zeitung said the camp was Germany's most famous place and brought "new hope to the Dachau business world". By 1934 the main and widely read Nazi-owned paper Volkische Beobachter was reporting a widening of policy to other "political criminals" including Jews accused of race defilement. By 1936 communist prisoners were no longer mentioned: in a photo-essay in the SS paper Das Schwarze Korps emphasised the camps as places for "race defilers, rapists, sexual degenerates and habitual criminals".

This broadening mission, as Gellately calls it, was reflected in Volkische Beobachter photographs of "typical subhumans" including Jews with "deformed headshapes". For the first time their detention was said to be permanent. In January, 1937 Berliner Borsen Zeitung reported the SS chief Heinrich Himmler as announcing the need for "still more camps" for "those with hydrocephalus, cross-eyed, deformed half-Jews and a whole series of racially inferior types".

In November, 1938 the anti-Jewish pogrom on and after "the night of broken glass" was reported countrywide in papers as heroic. The propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, announced that the "final answer" to the Jewish problem would be by way of government de cree, according to Volkische Beobachter

In late 1939, the year war started, newspapers acting on government orders announced a post-8pm curfew on all Jews in case they "molest Aryan women". That November the first summary executions of "anti-socials" by police without trial were reported. Papers were told to report these clearly and forcefully. In March, 1941 the Hamburger Fremdenblatt reported the first mass auctions of posses sions of detained or killed Jews. Hamburg became the wartime clearing house and Gellately says at least 100,000 citizens bought at the auctions.

After this the focus switched. Most press reports about Jews were about those outside Germany. This was because the official but unpublicised final solution was being implemented. But enthusiastic denunciations by ordinary citizens of Jewish and other "internal enemies" continued to be copiously reported. Backing Hitler discusses 670 cases. By the end of the war Hitler was still getting 1,000 private letters a week, many of them denunciations.

Backing Hitler: Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany (OUP, £19.99) will be published on March 8. Prof Gellately will talk about his research at the Wiener Library, London W1 at 6.30pm on March 6. For invitations ring Coleen Hatrick, OUP at 01865 267240.

Another point where you and I disagree is that potentially radicalized Americans know their history.   They know fantasy narratives about shards of history...  Do you think 3%ers could pass the AP American History exam?   And by god, Ron wants to keep it that way. 

You can't have little Timmy knowing the truth about The War of Northern Aggression.  I mean what might they learn about next?  Redlining?  GASP!  It's a veritable WOKE slip n slide.

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Yeah, we're on the same page.  I was giving a bit of a break to Germany to amplify the point about our new White Nationalist movement (They're not Nazis lobo, they just have SS tattoos, okay!?!?) is even more concerning because they have the whole of history to look back on not just inter-war, inter-border propaganda.  They know the dark side, they know how it ends, and they want to participate anyway.  We have no external enemy, no lands to retake, no singular purpose of having been economically broken after the last war.  So they are looking for other people who are different to hate and other internal wars to wage.  And...away...we...go.

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Yeah, we're on the same page.  I was giving a bit of a break to Germany to amplify the point about our new White Nationalist movement (They're not Nazis lobo, they just have SS tattoos, okay!?!?) is even more concerning because they have the whole of history to look back on not just inter-war, inter-border propaganda.  They know the dark side, they know how it ends, and they want to participate anyway.  We have no external enemy, no lands to retake, no singular purpose of having been economically broken after the last war.  So they are looking for other people who are different to hate and other internal wars to wage.  And...away...we...go.

They know that it ended with Mussolini hanging and Hitler eating his gun. If they want to recreate something like that, I'm down.

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16 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah, we're on the same page.  I was giving a bit of a break to Germany to amplify the point about our new White Nationalist movement (They're not Nazis lobo, they just have SS tattoos, okay!?!?) is even more concerning because they have the whole of history to look back on not just inter-war, inter-border propaganda.  They know the dark side, they know how it ends, and they want to participate anyway.  We have no external enemy, no lands to retake, no singular purpose of having been economically broken after the last war.  So they are looking for other people who are different to hate and other internal wars to wage.  And...away...we...go.

Those fucks feel victimized by housing codes and zoning restrictions.

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Yes. Fox never attacks spouses. This took about 10 seconds to google:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/see-it-jill-biden-wears-15k-dress-lunch-london-designer-confirms

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-ridiculed-implying-040007611.html

Additionally, the narrative of mockery over "Dr. Jill Biden" from all the right wing media AND FUCKING CONGRESSMEN wasn't something we had to listen to for months on end. Fucking lying pieces of shit. 

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40 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Maybe it's wishcasting, but I definitely agree with those that think DeSantis will be laughably exposed in the limelight of running for President. 

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of his political career. 

Any time he's on camera, he makes Ted Cruz look like Obama. I'm actually looking forward to watching this, because it's going to be really awful for him.

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4 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Maybe it's wishcasting, but I definitely agree with those that think DeSantis will be laughably exposed in the limelight of running for President. 

Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of his political career. 

 


not to be morbid or wish ill will. His best shot …. His wife passing away before the primaries. He’d hat a pass from the press and take in the votes 

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8 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Yes. Fox never attacks spouses. This took about 10 seconds to google:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/see-it-jill-biden-wears-15k-dress-lunch-london-designer-confirms

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-host-ridiculed-implying-040007611.html

Additionally, the narrative of mockery over "Dr. Jill Biden" from all the right wing media AND FUCKING CONGRESSMEN wasn't something we had to listen to for months on end. Fucking lying pieces of shit. 

Fucking Rush Limbaugh attacked 12-year-old Chelsea Clinton’s looks. Fuck those hypocrites. 

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