ACC Championship - why?

[MIkeHoncho 2106]

Seems it would be in the ACC's best interest to COVID this game.  No upside to playing -> other than of course the TV $$, but you risk one of the teams falling out of the playoff.  I think if they don't play, Clemson and ND are both in. 

 

[ztejas 44288]

Because dammit if it isn't what America needs right now.

[Tex-19 3013]

Totally agree. It's almost too obvious for them to pull it off though. It'd have to be a legit covid outbreak at one of the schools

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1113]

I think the Big XII game is even more unnecessary.  Just award it to ISU.

Edited December 12, 2020 by J.R. Juniors Junior Jr.

[conVINCEd 21477]

Take the money they lose by not playing the game and compare it to the money they get for getting a second team in the playoff.  Whichever is larger is what will happen.

[Dewey 3337]

Whatever is best for the student athlete...

[ztejas 44288]

Just now, Dewey said:

Whatever is best for the student athlete...

[DCA_HORN 725]

What are the odds on Bama coming down with covid next week?

[Underdog 29236]

nvmd.  I can't read.  

Edited December 12, 2020 by Underdog

[pch 1264]

This game should be COVID cancelled to prevent the #5 team who I will not mention a chance to slip into the final four.

[XYZ 2154]

$$$

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Why ?  Because on any given Sunday........ Saturday.

[notre dame joe 205]

Because conferences are dumb and they do dumb things like rematch 'champions.'

[Horn80 6361]

All it takes is one well placed infected person around a few scrub players and the head lines in following days reads multiple players test positive on consecutive days. Game canceled.  You know the SEC would do this.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Horn80

[taybo20 3042]

I don't disagree OP, and I've wondered about it ever since all these cancellation of games and Ohio state being ranked 4th. It's almost better for Clemson and ND to just make the playoff game the ACC championship game. But maybe there is so much money in the ACC champ game that it is worth it to the ACC

[WBT 20999]

Big 12 was ahead of the curve!  We've been risking playoff berths on rematches for years.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5911]

We can't let ND win a conference championship, they'd act like aggy. 

[C-Man 27835]

7 hours ago, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:

I think the Big XII game is even more unnecessary.  Just award it to ISU.

The Big 12 title -- in its current incarnation -- is superfluous pandemic or not.

Clemson is going to boat-race ND in the rematch, I think. If it's ugly, ND might not make it in.

[WhatTheBuck 28941]

7 hours ago, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:

I think the Big XII game is even more unnecessary.  Just award it to ISU.

The guaranteed rematch after a round robin schedule is one of the dumbest ideas ever. It's up there with having a TV network that covers only one team in a conference instead of the whole conference. 

[Landomatic 3813]

27 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

We can't let ND win a conference championship, they'd act like aggy. 

You’re joking right?  ND is about as blue blood as they come. You know, pretty much the exact opposite of aggy

[Doc Sam Beckett 5911]

5 minutes ago, Landomatic said:

You’re joking right?  ND is about as blue blood as they come. You know, pretty much the exact opposite of aggy

Lol yeah they're a blue blood and it's showing in their crowing about joining a conference for one year and making the championship game. They'll be insufferable if they win it 

[Landomatic 3813]

9 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Lol yeah they're a blue blood and it's showing in their crowing about joining a conference for one year and making the championship game. They'll be insufferable if they win it 

I guess your definition of "aggy" and mine are different. One of the many reasons aggy is so insufferable is because they've never won anything, yet want to act like they're some kind of football powerhouse at the slightest hint of any success. ND is literally the opposite. You know, with their 11 national champions, 7 heisman winners, etc. If ND wins their conference, beating Clemson twice in the process and finish the season undefeated, and they want to be proud of it, there's nothing aggy about that.

[Horn80 6361]

11 minutes ago, Landomatic said:

One of the many reasons aggy is so insufferable is because they've never won anything, yet want to act like they're some kind of football powerhouse at the slightest hint of any success.

This.  I was speaking with my aggy neighbor couple days ago that it was a shame aggy and Ohio State game didn’t happen.   He proceeded to go on and on about how Ohio State ducked them and never agree to play that game because they were scared to play aggy.  Talk about delusions of grandeur.

Edited December 13, 2020 by Horn80

[hookem48 4857]

fuck ND winning the ACC the only year they're in a conference, join a conference permanently you fuckheads. aggy, yes (aggy) has nothing to do with this.

[Neonmoon 38130]

The committee going to put in one loss Aggy over undefeated PAC 12 USC?

[mdleast 8524]

The committee going to put in one loss Aggy over undefeated PAC 12 USC?

My guess is unfortunately they probably would though it would certainly help USC’s and the PAC 12’s chances if USC would go out there and actually dominate a game. However, even if that played out and with USC remaining undefeated and a conference champion, I could also understand the committee saying they don’t pass the eye test as I would vertically predict they would get killed by whoever they played in the playoffs.

Hope I’m wrong BTW.

[Landomatic 3813]

21 minutes ago, mdleast said:

My guess is unfortunately they probably would though it would certainly help USC’s and the PAC 12’s chances if USC would go out there and actually dominate a game. However, even if that played out and with USC remaining undefeated and a conference champion, I could also understand the committee saying they don’t pass the eye test as I would vertically predict they would get killed by whoever they played in the playoffs.

Hope I’m wrong BTW.

Where the committee puts USC this week is going to be pretty telling.  If they move them to somewhere around 6th-ish, that tells me they're positioning them to move them into the top 4 with a conference championship game win. If they keep them down closer to where they are now, like maybe around 12th-ish, they probably can't make that big of a leap with them in the final week.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5911]

2 hours ago, Landomatic said:

I guess your definition of "aggy" and mine are different. One of the many reasons aggy is so insufferable is because they've never won anything, yet want to act like they're some kind of football powerhouse at the slightest hint of any success. ND is literally the opposite. You know, with their 11 national champions, 7 heisman winners, etc. If ND wins their conference, beating Clemson twice in the process and finish the season undefeated, and they want to be proud of it, there's nothing aggy about that.

The original post suggested not playing the ACC Championship Game, so ND would win the conference by beating a severely depleted Clemson team and that's it. I said na, we can't let them win a conference in their only year in a conference or they'll be insufferable crowing about a BS achievement like aggy would. We agree, play the game, and if they beat a healthier Clemson team in the championship game then yes, they earned it and it's not like aggy. 

[Tex-19 3013]

That Florida loss gives the ACC even more incentive to somehow cancel this game. A Florida win over Bama was pretty much the only way a 1-loss Clemson gets left out

[notre dame joe 205]

On 12/12/2020 at 7:45 PM, Doc Sam Beckett said:

We can't let ND win a conference championship, they'd act like aggy. 

 

On 12/12/2020 at 8:19 PM, Landomatic said:

You’re joking right?  ND is about as blue blood as they come. You know, pretty much the exact opposite of aggy

I dunno man.  I can't help but think of ways Covid destroys the playoff and gets us a MNC.

[Cheeseweasel 26443]

The fact that we could see ND vs Clemson 3 times this year is Peak 2020.

[Redneck Mutha 8230]

On 12/12/2020 at 5:08 PM, WBT said:

Big 12 was ahead of the curve!  We've been risking playoff berths on rematches for years.

Cost potential titles in 1996 and 1998. 

Close in 2009 (fuck Suh).  

Should have cost the conference potential title shots in 2001, 2003 if not for backdooring Nebraska in 2001 and OU in 2003.

[Steamboat1874 4391]

20 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

That Florida loss gives the ACC even more incentive to somehow cancel this game. A Florida win over Bama was pretty much the only way a 1-loss Clemson gets left out

Florida is not beating Bama......end of discussion.

They have been overrated all year.

[Hurtlocker 2219]

1 hour ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Florida is not beating Bama......end of discussion.

They have been overrated all year.

But Trask man, Trask!   He throws a ball!

[RDCanecutter 26927]

On 12/12/2020 at 1:40 PM, MIkeHoncho said:

Seems it would be in the ACC's best interest to COVID this game.  No upside to playing -> other than of course the TV $$, but you risk one of the teams falling out of the playoff.  I think if they don't play, Clemson and ND are both in. 

 

The folks risking Covid aren't the ones getting the money.

[Cheeseweasel 26443]

5 minutes ago, Hurtlocker said:

But Trask man, Trask!   He throws a ball!

Great, now you've told Saban their game plan.

[Longboard Horn 41402]

On 12/12/2020 at 8:45 PM, Doc Sam Beckett said:

We can't let ND win a conference championship, they'd act like aggy. 

Please explain

[ztejas 44288]

I think you have to let Cincy in before USC. Assuming they take care of Tulsa in the AAC title game. Their body of work is much more impressive. 

Shit, so will the B12 title winner's be. And aggy's. Hating on atm is fun but they would get at least 7 points on a neutral field against USC and probably mudhole that team. The Pac12 is fucking terribad.

[WBT 20999]

On 12/13/2020 at 8:57 AM, Neonmoon said:

The committee going to put in one loss Aggy over undefeated PAC 12 USC?

Someone explain why OSU can get in playing 6 games and USC can't

[conVINCEd 21477]

2 minutes ago, WBT said:

Someone explain why OSU can get in playing 6 games and USC can't

Because USC has sucked lately and OSU has been really good.  

[Jive Turkey 13021]

USC needed a miracle to beat an average UCLA team on Saturday night.  that's my only exposure to SC.  not that impressed.

[ztejas 44288]

4 minutes ago, WBT said:

Someone explain why OSU can get in playing 6 games and USC can't

Because the CFP committee actually watches games that these teams play in. Or at the very least checks the box score.

tOSU would beat everyone on USC's schedule by 30 points. 

[ztejas 44288]

Just now, Jive Turkey said:

USC needed a miracle to beat an average UCLA team on Saturday night.  that's my only exposure to SC.  not that impressed.

They have needed miracles to win all fucking year.

[Cheeseweasel 26443]

16 minutes ago, WBT said:

Someone explain why OSU can get in playing 6 games and USC can't

[GreenspointTexas 9993]

Imma laugh my ass off it ou or isu gets covid this week and Texas gets to play in the conference championship game

[Tex-19 3013]

Idk how the committee handles this season. They're going to have pick - do conference championships matter (Bama, OSU, ND/Clemson, USC/ISU/Cincy), is it all eye test and who are actually the 4 best teams (clearly Bama, ND, Clemson, OSU), does quantity of games matter (cut OSU and USC)? 

The argument for someone like USC vs Aggy is that in a year where conferences don't play each other, there are no hard data points of comparison. If you are clearly not the best team in your conference, how can you be the best in the whole country? Basically, conferences should serve as a play-in to the playoffs. 

 

[Al_4_ISU 12666]

On 12/12/2020 at 9:01 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

The guaranteed rematch after a round robin schedule is one of the dumbest ideas ever. It's up there with having a TV network that covers only one team in a conference instead of the whole conference. 

Agreed.  Unfortunately it was pretty much forced onto the Big 12 because not everyone gets the same treatment as say your school.  No one is shifting the goal posts and falling all over themselves to find ways to let us in and just making up rules on the fly.

If there were some consistent and objective criteria as to who makes the playoffs, we wouldn't be playing this dumb game, and ISU would already have a trophy in the case.

[ztejas 44288]

32 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

is it all eye test and who are actually the 4 best teams (clearly Bama, ND, Clemson, OSU),

They've always done it this way. They will do it this way this season, too. I'm not sure why you're under a different impression. At least one P5 conference champion gets left out every year by default. In more than one year multiple P5 conference champions have been left out. 

(And on your point about "no hard data points so how do we know" - no one that has actually watched most of these teams play every weekend would make that argument. If you think USC is a better team than aggy you should probably not join in the discussion)

Edited December 14, 2020 by ztejas

[Tex-19 3013]

15 minutes ago, ztejas said:

They've always done it this way. They will do it this way this season, too. I'm not sure why you're under a different impression. At least one P5 conference champion gets left out every year by default. In more than one year multiple P5 conference champions have been left out. 

(And on your point about "no hard data points so how do we know" - no one that has actually watched most of these teams play every weekend would make that argument. If you think USC is a better team than aggy you should probably not join in the discussion)

If Clemson loses again they're out even though they would still be favored over anyone not named Bama, OSU, or ND, and maybe even 1-2 of those. If ND loses by a lot, it gets interesting.

Fair on USC. But what about ISU and Cincy? Teams who you could argue have comparable merits based on win/loss alone and who also won their conference (assuming they do). Let's not pretend like Aggy has passed the eye test with flying colors (see Vandy, Bama, LSU, Auburn). I don't think it's so clear based on eye test that Aggy is better than those ISU, Cincy (admittedly I haven't watched them) or even OU if they win. So the question is on the margin, does a conference championship carry someone into the playoffs

[ztejas 44288]

8 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

So the question is on the margin, does a conference championship carry someone into the playoffs

No. I think another game against a good opponent (Tulsa, OU, ISU) is a chance for another data point that can help shore up a team's resume. I think that's about all it is. The CFP has already shown us year after year that it isn't about conference champions. It's about branding, eye test, body of work, and to an extent TV ratings.

And sure aggy doesn't look like some world-beater. But they also haven't lost to 2 teams wildly inferior to Bama. LSU just beat Florida - that game was never in doubt for aggy. They wound up handling Auburn pretty easily. The Vandy game was WTF but there was a lot of WTF early this season across the board. If they kick the shit out of Tennessee then I'm not sure I see a universe where OU or ISU somehow jumps them. And the CFP has already made it clear they aren't letting Cincy in, so, whatever.