China Sucks

[InkaUtexas 25986]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

need someone to photoshop those microphones into dicks.  And while the parade is going on, this weekend in Hong Kong should be fun.   

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-anniversary/young-hong-kong-protester-shot-with-live-round-as-violence-spreads-idUSKBN1WF2EI?il=0

HONG KONG (Reuters) - Hong Kong police fired tear gas and water cannon at petrol-bomb throwing protesters and shot a young demonstrator with a live round, as the city’s Chinese rulers celebrated the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic.

 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

[GRHorn 105]

These ideas are gaining momentum. I can’t think of a logical argument against them.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/30/federal-retirement-savings-should-not-fund-chinas-communist-party.html?__twitter_impression=true

Spoiler

During the Cold War, it would have been unthinkable for the U.S. government to force members of the military and federal employees to invest their retirement savings in funds that included Soviet companies working against U.S. interests and values.

Yet the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board—the body that manages the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP), the 401(k) for federal employees—wants to funnel the retirement savings of these Americans directly to a regime that poses one of the greatest threats to our nation's long-term security and prosperity: the Chinese Communist Party.

The Board's short-sighted, foolish decision to use the MSCI All Country World ex-U.S. Investable Market Index as a benchmark means TSP retirement accounts will effectively fund companies that engage in human rights abuses and support China's efforts to undermine America. It exposes nearly $50 billion in assets to severe and undisclosed material risks associated with many Chinese companies listed on the index.

 

Last month, we urged the Board to swiftly and publicly reverse its decision and provide information on how it was reached. The Board's response was not only wholly inadequate, but also informed us that it is outsourcing its review to a Wall Street consultant.

Wall Street has consistently ignored the long-term risks of transferring capital to China in pursuit of short-term gains. Despite the clear risks, the Board and its outsourced advisors failed to consider the national security implications of the decision to transfer TSP funds to Beijing.

Many Chinese companies included in MSCI indexes are state-owned or state-directed enterprises Beijing uses to undermine American workers. They are also involved in China's military, espionage, human rights abuses, and "Made in China 2025" industrial policy.

"The Board's short-sighted, foolish decision to use the MSCI All Country World ex-U.S. Investable Market Index as a benchmark means TSP retirement accounts will effectively fund companies that engage in human rights abuses and support China's efforts to undermine America."

One such company is Hikvision, a state-run technology firm that supplies surveillance cameras used in Xinjiang to monitor Uyghurs and other groups brutally oppressed by China. Constituent entities of Hikvision's controlling shareholder, the China Electronics Technology Group Corporation, were added to the U.S. Commerce Department's Entity List last year for "acting contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States."

As of August 2019, the U.S. government is prohibited from procuring equipment from Hikvision and next year will implement a statutory ban on federal contracts with businesses using the company's equipment or services.

Several companies our federal workers could potentially invest in are also engaged in flagrant violations of U.S. laws, including Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), which U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer has described as "the sole domestic supplier" of bombers, fighter jets, and other aircraft for the People's Liberation Army.

The U.S. government has repeatedly sanctioned AVIC and its subsidiaries for proliferation activities. Similarly, Zhongxing Telecommunications Equipment Corporation, or ZTE, has violated U.S. law frequently enough to be banned across U.S. government agencies by the FY 2019 National Defense Authorization Act.

Congress and the administration are actively working to counter the long-term threats these companies pose, many of which will soon receive investments directly from the paychecks of our own federal government employees. America's investors should never be a source of wealth funding the Chinese Communist Party at the expense of our nation's future prosperity. If the Board refuses to publicly reverse this decision, Congress must act.

China's economy is intentionally opaque, and Beijing uses state-owned and state-directed enterprises to control production, compete in global markets, and serve the Chinese Communist Party's military, political, and economic goals. China also routinely blocks U.S. regulators from viewing the full audit reports of publicly-traded companies headquartered in Hong Kong and mainland China.

The Board's decision to force our nation's public servants to invest TSP retirement funds in unscrupulous Chinese companies raises serious fiduciary concerns because it ignores a fundamental tenet of our securities laws: investor protection. It's our responsibility to ensure that U.S. service members and federal employees do not unwittingly undermine the American interests they work hard everyday to protect.

 

[GRHorn 105]

Bloomberg obviously bought and paid for. His mouth = Xi Cock Holster 

 

[gsoda3 3263]

who is shay she ping?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[UpperWestside 6169]

Is this a good place to tell the Rockets owner to fuck off with his censoring of his GM for being pro Hong Kong?

[UpperWestside 6169]

On 10/1/2019 at 12:52 PM, GRHorn said:

Bloomberg obviously bought and paid for. His mouth = Xi Cock Holster 

 

That is completely embarrassing to watch. The woman interviewing him needs to be at Dotard's next impromptu press briefing. I mean holy hell how does he believe a single word he said in that exchange?

[UpperWestside 6169]

https://deadspin.com/daryl-morey-tweets-support-for-hong-kong-protestors-ro-1838805656

This is a good article that links the Rockets owner to all of the political stances he has taken. I mean, you know, with the Rockets organization committed to not taking political stances. It will shock no one on here to find out what he supports. 

Adam Silver needs to step up and grow a backbone and tell China to fuck off as well. He won't because of the money though. I hope some of the players get involved in this like LeBron and others. If you are going to fight for equality in America when it comes to human rights for all you sure as hell better step up when your fans across the globe are getting shit on by a dictatorship. 

Edited October 6, 2019 by UpperWestside

[BNB 100]

https://www.newsweek.com/plastic-pollution-inaccessible-island-south-atlantic-chinese-ships-1462642

Chinese ships dumping plastic into the sea. Nice.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Pathetic 

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[InkaUtexas 25986]

Pussy's. How many universities are going to say something? Real question, any protests on West Campus? 

Would love to see an uptick in attacks in Burma by the Free Rangers. Anyone looking for a good read, Kaplan's Monsoon is worth a few hours. 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

8 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

https://deadspin.com/daryl-morey-tweets-support-for-hong-kong-protestors-ro-1838805656

This is a good article that links the Rockets owner to all of the political stances he has taken. I mean, you know, with the Rockets organization committed to not taking political stances. It will shock no one on here to find out what he supports. 

Adam Silver needs to step up and grow a backbone and tell China to fuck off as well. He won't because of the money though. I hope some of the players get involved in this like LeBron and others. If you are going to fight for equality in America when it comes to human rights for all you sure as hell better step up when your fans across the globe are getting shit on by a dictatorship. 

That was a good read. The comments below had a jab at Teddy Cruz (with a pic of him at a game) and his odd smile. It really is a little off. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21202]

I guess this means I will continue to not watch the NBA.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/10/07/concentration-camp-survivors-china-using-forced-sterilization-abortion-for-genocide/

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Women who have survived China’s concentration camps for Muslim ethnic minorities reported widespread rape, forced abortions, forced sterilization, and other extreme sexual human rights atrocities in accounts published this weekend.

Speaking to the Washington Post, the women echo the experiences of others who have escaped the estimated thousands of concentration camps built in Xinjiang, China’s largest and westernmost province, to house Uighur, Kazakh, and Kyrgyz ethnic people. While survivors tend to be Kazakh – they can use their dual citizenship to escape to neighboring Kazakhstan – the majority of the 1 to 3 million people trapped in the camps are believed to be Uighurs. Others who have survived have been able to use their marital status to citizens of Pakistan or other neighboring countries to place pressure on Beijing to release them.

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Camp survivors have previously testified to extreme torture, killings, live organ harvesting, infanticide, and slavery in the camps. An Associated Press (AP) report published last year revealed that some clothes made in slave facilities in the concentration camps made its way to America.

“Any woman or man under age 35 was raped and sexually abused,” Ruqiye Perhat, a student arrested in Xinjiang in 2009 for four years, told the Post. More recent survivors say that the camps had made rape more systematic than in regular prisons; guards would “put bags on the heads of the ones they wanted” and take the women out of their cells to be raped all night, returned for their fellow prisoners to see in the morning. One human rights activist told the Post they had documented at least seven cases of women being forced against their will to receive intrauterine devices as part of their entering the concentration camp, presumably to keep them from getting pregnant through rape.

Those who were arrested while pregnant – often for “crimes” like downloading the messaging application WhatsApp – were forced into harrowing abortions.

Gulzira Mogdyn told the Post that Chinese regime officials slashed her open without anesthesia and “cut my fetus out.”

.......

Mihrigul Tursun, a camp survivor, testified last year that Chinese authorities killed one of her infant triplets upon imprisoning her. The death occurred while the children were with Chinese authorities, forcibly taken for her. She told reporters she believes the child died of force-feeding.

An unnamed Kazakh concentration camp survivor testified to forced birth control accompanying the systematic use of rape to torture women at the camps.

“Young girls are taken out and raped all night long. If you keep resisting, they will inject you with something and kill you,” the woman told the Epoch Times. “There are usually 40 to 50 people in one small room, but five to 10 are regularly taken out and they just disappear—they never come back. People are being killed in tens all the time.”

Speaking to Radio Free Asia (RFA) last month, Zumuret Dawut described her forced sterilization in a concentration camp. Dawut escaped because her husband, a Pakistani national, petitioned his government to intervene.

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Human rights activists, journalists, and whistleblowers have testified for years to China’s policy of cutting open political prisoners to extract their organs while alive, without anesthesia, and sell them to willing buyers. Speculation first arose when observers noted that the number of organ transplants conducted in China was far greater than the official existing list of organ donors, leaving unclear how the remaining transplants were conducted without organs.

In 2014, Enver Tothi testified to cutting organs out of a live political prisoner in Urumqi, the Xinjiang capital. Tohti told the China Tribunal – a coalition of international legal experts investigating the Xinjiang camps – that he believed China was preparing to conduct these operations on Uighurs and others imprisoned in Xinjiang.

China has traditionally reserved the torturous operation for use on practitioners of Falun Gong, a spiritual movement that it considers a dangerous anti-communist cult.

 

[DigglerontheHoof 21202]

21 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/10/07/concentration-camp-survivors-china-using-forced-sterilization-abortion-for-genocide/

 

Oh, NOW you care about human rights?  Or is this your suggestion for Trump's dictatorship?

[GRHorn 105]

 

 

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Oh, NOW you care about human rights?  Or is this your suggestion for Trump's dictatorship?

Well it was on Breitbart

[UpperWestside 6169]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I guess this means I will continue to not watch the NBA.

The NBA was a big part of my childhood and early adult years as well. That none of these spineless bastards has the balls to speak up because they are afraid of the hit to their pocketbook is shameful and embarrassing. LeBron, Steph, Harden and several others should be stepping up to the plate on this. Instead we get Harden selling out. What a bitch move on his part as well as the others who give no shits about what these human beings are suffering through.

We are all human beings and to know that money is the deciding factor for guys who are already millionaires and billionaires many times over is just sad. I do not like the Rockets and their bullshit style of basketball, but to see their GM basically have to give a statement we might see from a hostage in Beirut praising their captors is a bridge too far for me. I hope Fertitta gets mowed down by a rickshaw at some point and that all his shitty chain restaurants wind up failing. 

Edited October 7, 2019 by UpperWestside

[UpperWestside 6169]

Deadspin went full throttle against the NBA today with several articles condemning this bullshit. Magary nailed this one. Still nothing from any of the current or former NBA players profiting off of this communist trash. 

https://deadspin.com/the-nba-doesn-t-give-a-fuck-about-people-1838848207?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=deadspin_copy&utm_campaign=top

Edited October 7, 2019 by UpperWestside

[bolverk 29684]

Good piece from last night.

 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

 

[Fozzz 152]

I find this whole event so fascinating. It precisely highlights one of the more glaring contradictions in conservative ideology - nationalism and worship of capitalism.  If people are surprised by the response to Morey’s tweet then they need to rewatch the “world  is a business” scene from Network. 

[Fozzz 152]

dp 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Fozzz

[XYZ 2154]

1 hour ago, Thetexashammer said:

 

That’s two years old.

[InkaUtexas 25986]

Does not matter. Monsoon by Kaplan was written when? Want to hit china? Remove their external sources for food. Erode their international base and this is happening. Kenya recently awarding their major highway project to Bechtel is big news. This would not have happened 5-10 years ago. But Kenya saw how China was going to run the port in Mombassa, the train to Nairobi and said fuck that. If there was a time to stand up to China, it is now. 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

2 minutes ago, XYZ said:

That’s two years old.

This one's more recent.

This guy has a thesis he calls the Thucydides Trap. Interesting but not controlling.

 

[GRHorn 105]

ouch

[TexasMan 10914]

 

[Fozzz 152]

"Chase money while scrapping your personal values" is practically our state religion.

[Fozzz 152]

lmao

 

[Foosters 17858]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

ouch

Yeah, I don't get it. That's exactly our system too. Bottom line over everything.

[BNB 100]

U.S. Department of Commerce Adds 28 Chinese Organizations to its Entity List

Trade enforcement

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Monday, October 7, 2019

Office of Public Affairs

(202) 482-4883

publicaffairs@doc.gov

Today, the Bureau of Industry and Security of the Department of Commerce announced that it will add 28 Chinese governmental and commercial organizations to the Entity List for engaging in or enabling activities contrary to the foreign policy interests of the United States. This action constricts the export of items subject to the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) to entities that have been implicated in human rights violations and abuses in China’s campaign targeting Uighurs and other predominantly Muslim ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR).
“The U.S. Government and Department of Commerce cannot and will not tolerate the brutal suppression of ethnic minorities within China,” said Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross. “This action will ensure that our technologies, fostered in an environment of individual liberty and free enterprise, are not used to repress defenseless minority populations.”
The additions include the XUAR People’s Government Public Security Bureau, 19 subordinate elements, and eight commercial entities. Located in XUAR and throughout China, these entities have all been implicated in the implementation of China’s campaign of repression, mass arbitrary detention, and high-technology surveillance.
Pursuant to Section 744.11(b) of the EAR, the Entity List identifies persons or organizations reasonably believed to be involved, or to pose a significant risk of being or becoming involved, in activities contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States. The EAR imposes additional license requirements on, and limits the availability of most license exceptions for, exports, re-exports, and transfers (in-country) to listed entities.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

 

15 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

The NBA was a big part of my childhood and early adult years as well. That none of these spineless bastards has the balls to speak up because they are afraid of the hit to their pocketbook is shameful and embarrassing. LeBron, Steph, Harden and several others should be stepping up to the plate on this. Instead we get Harden selling out. What a bitch move on his part as well as the others who give no shits about what these human beings are suffering through.

We are all human beings and to know that money is the deciding factor for guys who are already millionaires and billionaires many times over is just sad. I do not like the Rockets and their bullshit style of basketball, but to see their GM basically have to give a statement we might see from a hostage in Beirut praising their captors is a bridge too far for me. I hope Fertitta gets mowed down by a rickshaw at some point and that all his shitty chain restaurants wind up failing. 

 

Harden has been a bitch for his entire career. It is known.

[Asithappens 974]

Morey was an idiot here, imo. 

I mean, China is a big market for the NBA, especially the Rockets. 

Keep your politics out of your business, dumb ass.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

Agree that Morey shouldn't have stepped into this controversy. One problem with China is that the CCP uses their economic power to stamp out foreign opinions. And usually they demand apologies.  Didn't United Airlines run into this when they listed Taiwan as a separate country on their in-flight maps. China doesn't like that.

But even with that in mind, the NBA needs to inform China that freedom of speech is a right and a value of the US and the NBA.  If you don't stand up to China, even with the financial consequences, the next request could be that you ignore violent govt actions.

However Western capitalism usually puts money ahead of ideals. In that regard, you can argue that some countries have higher principles than the US.

 

Finally it's important to remember what Morey originally said. "“fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong.”  It's not like he stood up and called for an armed uprising in HK to overthrow the govt.

[wildcat09 29355]

It would be very easy for the NBA to tell China to get fucked but it would have to be the NBA itself, representing all franchises, doing so. China will black out one team over shit like this, they're not going to black out the entire NBA.

[Brian Fantana 6689]

3 hours ago, Fozzz said:

lmao

 

They fired the two casters that were interviewing him too, even though they would have had no way of knowing what he was going to say.

[Fozzz 152]

25 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

But even with that in mind, the NBA needs to inform China that freedom of speech is a right and a value of the US and the NBA.  If you don't stand up to China, even with the financial consequences, the next request could be that you ignore violent govt actions.

lol the NBA and its players don't give a fuck about that.

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

19 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/10/07/concentration-camp-survivors-china-using-forced-sterilization-abortion-for-genocide/

 

Wow. This is nazi level shit. 

 

I guess we can now see first hand how/why people didn’t intervene early during the holocaust. 

[Blotto 23559]

23 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It would be very easy for the NBA to tell China to get fucked but it would have to be the NBA itself, representing all franchises, doing so. China will black out one team over shit like this, they're not going to black out the entire NBA.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/08/china-state-tv-suspends-nba-broadcasts-after-morey-hong-kong-tweet.html

I realize that this is only the preseason, but China  would block the NBA and give zero fucks about doing so. The Chinese government has proven in the past that they will impose far greater restrictive measures on their population than blocking basketball games.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

11 minutes ago, Blotto said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/08/china-state-tv-suspends-nba-broadcasts-after-morey-hong-kong-tweet.html

I realize that this is only the preseason, but China  would block the NBA and give zero fucks about doing so. The Chinese government has proven in the past that they will impose far greater restrictive measures on their population than blocking basketball games.

Yep. Look at the situation last year when a Canadian official  made a relatively low key complaint about Saudi Arabia in regards to an arrest of a political prisoner.  Saudi responded by moving all Saudi students studying in Canada to other countries.  Same with Saudi patients in Canadian hospitals.

When two companies go into business together, the financial benefit is usually the deciding factor for both. When you go into business with an authoritarian govt or a company in an authoritarian country, there are other factors that supersede profit.

Back to China, the CCP could care less if the NBA is on TV. Are they going to worry about citizens complaining about it? of course not. This is about bullying the NBA into submission to show the next company to back off.   

I do understand the NBA is in a tough situation. The owners profits/franchise valuations and the players salaries are at stake if they tell China to FO. They have included that revenue in their calculations.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Xian said:

Wow. This is nazi level shit. 

 

I guess we can now see first hand how/why people didn’t intervene early during the holocaust. 

Different realities I think.  China has always been an authoritative state. The people have always been under the heel of gov't (very similar too Russia).  They pretty much went from feudal state to central gov't pretty quickly I think. Germany didn't have that history. That the people from top to bottom of society were so easily turned  into such an anti semitic state capable of mass murder is more astounding. 

[Asithappens 974]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

But even with that in mind, the NBA needs to inform China that freedom of speech is a right and a value of the US and the NBA.  If you don't stand up to China, even with the financial consequences, the next request could be that you ignore violent govt actions.

In all seriousness, I don't think it is a right and value of the US or the NBA. 

Or the NFL.

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

you don't think freedom of speech is a right in the US?  I thought the Bill of Rights established it.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

you don't think freedom of speech is a right in the US?  I thought the Bill of Rights established it.

Exactly, BILL of rights, it's still being paid for.

[David Dennison 18922]

4 hours ago, Asithappens said:

Morey was an idiot here, imo. 

I mean, China is a big market for the NBA, especially the Rockets. 

Keep your politics out of your business, dumb ass.

Business is politics.

[Asithappens 974]

48 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Business is politics.

Yeah, but not on a governmental, international level. 

Navigating office politics =/= this shit. 

Edited October 8, 2019 by Asithappens