China Sucks

[Parliament 14257]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3042991/china-flight-systems-jammed-pig-farms-african-swine-fever

And pork prices over there are WAY up. I had anticipated some unrest over this and I have so far been wrong.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/10/china-pork-prices-surged-110percent-in-november-due-to-african-swine-fever.html

[YChang 3443]

And pork prices over there are WAY up. I had anticipated some unrest over this and I have so far been wrong.

No surprise that they’re good at suppressing dissent. Plus they probably want their citizens eating less pork... what with their increasing obesity problem.

[RayDog 682]

6 minutes ago, YChang said:

 

No surprise that they’re good at suppressing dissent. Plus they probably want their citizens eating less pork... what with their increasing obesity problem.

 

Obesity does not come from eating pork.

[bernorange 8361]

6 hours ago, Parliament said:

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And pork prices over there are WAY up. I had anticipated some unrest over this and I have so far been wrong.
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This is an issue that I ponder semi-frequently.  Our founding fathers wrestled with a great many weighty issues in designing the Republic which we inherited.  They understood the problems with tyranny and tried hard to design a government that would endure the test of time.  But, people by nature are creatures of comfort.  We are easily enslaved by our own desire for paths of least resistance.  We scoff at the fools who endure abuse while bucking the system.  But the fools are integral to maintaining the very pillars that support our Republic.  Apparently, China doesn't have enough fools - just slaves.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

52 minutes ago, bernorange said:

This is an issue that I ponder semi-frequently.  Our founding fathers wrestled with a great many weighty issues in designing the Republic which we inherited.  They understood the problems with tyranny and tried hard to design a government that would endure the test of time.  But, people by nature are creatures of comfort.  We are easily enslaved by our own desire for paths of least resistance.  We scoff at the fools who endure abuse while bucking the system.  But the fools are integral to maintaining the very pillars that support our Republic.  Apparently, China doesn't have enough fools - just slaves.

The CCP has a neighborhood watch, like the Soviets did. There is a literal network of spies looking at what you do and say all the time. The social credit thing is just another layer on top of their existing superstate of surveillance, monitoring, and control.

Jack Ma, the founder of AliBaba, was forced to give up all his shares in the company he founded. He was forced by the CCP to do this, he didn't want to. It's like Mark Zuckerberg giving up all his shares in Facebook, just extremely odd.

The explanation for this, and for the disappearance or homicide of many Chinese billionaires, is in the video below. A quote from Kyle Bass from the video "Those that actualy rise through the ranks of this hybrid system end up going to jail, or "falling off a wall" in Provence. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jack-ma-removes-himself-as-owner-of-alibaba-business-licenses-1538365628

Edited December 23, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[RayDog 682]

That is why China is losing 500,000 net emigrants and $500 million or more moving out of the country each year. They lose all their supposed growth each year and ends up as bank loan defaults.

And they surpassed peak employment last year and are seeing a fall in demand.

[TwiceHorn 31453]

14 hours ago, RayDog said:

Obesity does not come from eating pork.

Yeah, I'm gonna say if a sedentary lifestyle sets in over there, rice will be a much bigger problem than pork.

[YChang 3443]

Obesity does not come from eating pork.

You’re right. Should have clarified it wasn’t the only reason. But heavy consumption of protein isn’t typical of traditional Chinese diets. With prosperity, consumption has definitely gone up. And pork by far is what the culinary culture prefers.

Add that to problems of kids being spoiled, junk food, sedentary lifestyle, etc etc

[Viper 12109]

I guess this can go here:

Luo Daiqing, a University of Minnesota student, has been sentenced to six months in prison in China, Axios reports, for the crime of "provocation." Specifically, he made social media posts "denigrating a national leader's image." More specifically, he shared memes comparing Chinese President Xi Jingping to Winnie the Pooh, but he did it in America.

https://www.axios.com/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter-e495cf47-d895-4014-9ac8-8dc76aa6004d.html

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A Chinese student at the University of Minnesota has been arrested in China and sentenced to six months in prison for tweets he posted while in the United States, according to a Chinese court document viewed by Axios. Some of the tweets contained images deemed to be unflattering portrayals of a "national leader."

Why it matters: The case represents a dramatic escalation of the Chinese government's attempts to shut down free speech abroad and a global expansion of a Chinese police campaign to track down Twitter users in China who posted content critical of the Chinese government.

What's happening: Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) called on China to release the student. "This is what ruthless and paranoid totalitarianism looks like," said Sasse.

Details: According to an official court document dated Nov. 5, 2019, Chinese police detained 20-year-old Luo Daiqing in July 2019 in Wuhan, his hometown, where the liberal arts student had returned after the end of the spring semester.

• The court document says that "in September and October 2018, while he was studying at the University of Minnesota," Luo "used his Twitter account to post more than 40 comments denigrating a national leader's image and indecent pictures," which "created a negative social impact."
• After months of detention, Luo was sentenced in November 2019 to six months in prison for "provocation." (According to the court judgment, the time he spent in detention will count toward those six months).
• A request for comment sent to Luo's university email account received no reply.

The images Luo allegedly posted.

Axios found that a Twitter account known to belong to Luo was opened in September 2018; the last tweet is from June 2019, one month before Luo was detained.

• One tweet superimposed Chinese government slogans over images of Lawrence Limburger, a cartoon villain who bears a resemblance to Chinese President Xi Jinping.
• The account also retweeted several images of Winnie the Pooh, a character currently censored in China after Chinese netizens made an unflattering comparison to Xi.

Between the lines: Chinese students in the United States know that they may be subject to surveillance. Many have become increasingly reluctant to publicly criticize the Chinese government or attend pro-democracy events.

The bottom line: Chinese police are tracking down and silencing Twitter users who post content critical of the Chinese government — even from abroad.

 

Edited January 24, 2020 by Viper

[bernorange 8361]

A massive surveillance state facilitates tyranny.  I wish more Americans were paying attention to what is happening here at home on this issue.

Also, a big problem with society as a whole accepting the premise "if you aren't doing anything wrong..." is that what is wrong can be redefined as necessary by tyrants. 

[Dbeasy 15047]

I guess this can go here:
Luo Daiqing, a University of Minnesota student, has been sentenced to six months in prison in China, Axios reports, for the crime of "provocation." Specifically, he made social media posts "denigrating a national leader's image." More specifically, he shared memes comparing Chinese President Xi Jingping to Winnie the Pooh, but he did it in America.
https://www.axios.com/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter-e495cf47-d895-4014-9ac8-8dc76aa6004d.html

A Chinese student at the University of Minnesota has been arrested in China and sentenced to six months in prison for tweets he posted while in the United States, according to a Chinese court document viewed by Axios. Some of the tweets contained images deemed to be unflattering portrayals of a "national leader."
Why it matters: The case represents a dramatic escalation of the Chinese government's attempts to shut down free speech abroad and a global expansion of a Chinese police campaign to track down Twitter users in China who posted content critical of the Chinese government.
What's happening: Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) called on China to release the student. "This is what ruthless and paranoid totalitarianism looks like," said Sasse.
Details: According to an official court document dated Nov. 5, 2019, Chinese police detained 20-year-old Luo Daiqing in July 2019 in Wuhan, his hometown, where the liberal arts student had returned after the end of the spring semester.

• The court document says that "in September and October 2018, while he was studying at the University of Minnesota," Luo "used his Twitter account to post more than 40 comments denigrating a national leader's image and indecent pictures," which "created a negative social impact."
• After months of detention, Luo was sentenced in November 2019 to six months in prison for "provocation." (According to the court judgment, the time he spent in detention will count toward those six months).
• A request for comment sent to Luo's university email account received no reply.

The images Luo allegedly posted.
Axios found that a Twitter account known to belong to Luo was opened in September 2018; the last tweet is from June 2019, one month before Luo was detained.

• One tweet superimposed Chinese government slogans over images of Lawrence Limburger, a cartoon villain who bears a resemblance to Chinese President Xi Jinping.
• The account also retweeted several images of Winnie the Pooh, a character currently censored in China after Chinese netizens made an unflattering comparison to Xi.

Between the lines: Chinese students in the United States know that they may be subject to surveillance. Many have become increasingly reluctant to publicly criticize the Chinese government or attend pro-democracy events.
The bottom line: Chinese police are tracking down and silencing Twitter users who post content critical of the Chinese government — even from abroad.

 


Ultimately the China governments behavior will drive the best and brightest to the United States, where they will create and innovate here, delivering jobs for Americans. This would be a reversal of a re-patriotism trend that had started, where Chinese were heading back home.

[bolverk 29671]

10 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 


Ultimately the China governments behavior will drive the best and brightest to the United States, where they will create and innovate here, delivering jobs for Americans. This would be a reversal of a re-patriotism trend that had started, where Chinese were heading back home.

Not if we continue to create more obstacles for their immigration to our country. Yeah, the potential is there, but this administration is actively fighting off new immigrants and its declined substantially since 2016. I agree - we should be in active recruitment mode right now. But, instead, we're actively strangling the blood flow for future muscle growth.

 

Fewer Chinese, Indians, and Canadians (you know, the "good ones") are all down.

[RayDog 682]

The UN is already predicting the US 15 to 64 year old demographic will only grow by 10 million in the next 20 years. Republicans are only making things worse.

I am one of the ones who left and will probably never return.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

It's pretty crazy. I'm convinced that that INS/DHS/CBP won't let the opportunity provided by the pandemic scare go to waste and will use measures to limit immigration and travel further. Combine that with active deportation of immigrants here (see the DACA thread for the latest regarded the announcement that the Dreamers will be deported if SCOTUS strikes down DACA) and the demographic drops further. DACA, according to FactCheck affects up to 800,000 people. (I have no idea where the President got his 3 million number and FactCheck doesn't seem to either.)

W/O getting into one's beliefs concerning abortion, the idea of banning it to provide replacement population is seriously misguided. Again, I'm not debating beliefs here, but population.

Republicans are making everything worse because the premise and foundation of their policy is flawed and has been since they began pursuing this agenda IMO.

[berlinerbaer 678]

Something worth pointing out, as much of the hand-wringing on this page over immigration is from folks who lean left: most newly arriving Chinese are conservative.

Unlike in past decades, few are political or economic refugees. They tend to have money, which they gained in a society with rampant nepotism and inequality. They'll naturally gravitate to similar entities, i.e. Trump and the GOP.

That said, keep bringing them in. Their kids will grow up to be just as liberal as most other Asian-Americans.

 

[RayDog 682]

A new article claims that China overestimated it population in 2019 by 121 million. And they have been over reporting births and fertility rates for at least 20 years. The TFR is about 1.2 instead of 1.6.

If true, instead of China reaching peak population in a few years, they passed it a decade ago.

https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3047798/how-chinese-officials-inflated-nations-birth-rate-and-population

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

I haven't the slightest as to how to interpret this so I'll sit and listen while the financial folks weigh in.

[bernorange 8361]

The coronavirus is impacting China's economy.  The (Chinese) markets are reacting. 

Edited to add:

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China’s economic growth is expected to slip this year to 5.6 percent, down from 6.1 percent last year, according to a conservative forecast from Oxford Economics that is based on the impact of the virus so far. That would, in turn, reduce global economic growth for the year by 0.2 percent, to an annual rate of 2.3 percent — the slowest pace since the global financial crisis a decade ago.

Returning from a long holiday for the first time since the coronavirus’s threat became clear, Chinese investors sent shares in China down about 8 percent on Monday. Stock markets around the world have plunged in recent days as the sense takes hold that a public health crisis could morph into an economic shock.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/business/economy/SARS-coronavirus-economic-impact-china.html

Edited February 3, 2020 by bernorange
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[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

Starting to see some delays for industrial equipment at work 

[Parliament 14257]

I can't vouch for its authenticity. Still, though.

[bernorange 8361]

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[Parliament 14257]

My bad

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Who is that guy and why should anyone care he asked a question? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Man, does China suck

[FondrenRoad 4378]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Man, does China suck

Jury is still out on China. Verdict is in on Ohio and its state university though. They suck ass.

[MissingInAction 25051]

Nothing will ever counter the suck that is oklahoma.

[Zavala 1384]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinese-official-pushes-conspiracy-theory-us-army-behind-virus/ar-BB117w4t

Chinese Official Pushes Conspiracy Theory U.S. Spread Virus

[TwiceHorn 31453]

This concerted effort by China to infiltrate and embed academic spies in university research and industry is something else.

Also, they failed in their bid to elect the head of the World Intellectual Property Organization.  Apparently in no small part due to Americans getting their shit together behind the scenes and lobbying against him.  I don't think WIPO is all that influential as far as assisting China in their rampant theft of IP, but it's a minor victory.

[Zavala 1384]

21 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

This concerted effort by China to infiltrate and embed academic spies in university research and industry is something else.

Also, they failed in their bid to elect the head of the World Intellectual Property Organization.  Apparently in no small part due to Americans getting their shit together behind the scenes and lobbying against him.  I don't think WIPO is all that influential as far as assisting China in their rampant theft of IP, but it's a minor victory.

Interesting isn't it?

https://meaww.com/wuhan-coronavirus-warned-2017-lab-wuhan-deadly-diseases-escape-lab-level-4-safety-scientists

Wuhan coronavirus: China was warned in 2017 that a deadly virus could escape its level 4 biohazard lab

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-chinese-lab-poised-to-study-world-s-most-dangerous-pathogens-1.21487

Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens

https://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_05_05/en/

SARS in China: investigation continues – Update 6

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2004/07/sars-crisis-topples-china-lab-chief

SARS Crisis Topples China Lab Chief

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

Chinese researcher escorted from infectious disease lab amid RCMP investigation

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

Don’t buy China’s story: The coronavirus may have leaked from a lab

Ever seen this kind of preparation from the other big diseases from China?

[LABEVO 928]

 

[Zavala 1384]

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/17/report-china-clamps-down-further-on-dissent-as-it-expels-journalists-from-nyt-wsj-and-wapo/

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China Takes Countermeasures Against Restrictive Measures on Chinese Media Agencies in the US

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_eng/xwfw_665399/s2510_665401/t1757162.shtml

[workswithseed 2103]

Hey, just wanted to let everyone know that China sucks.

[Sbbruin 21847]

they're the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

52 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Hey, just wanted to let everyone know that China sucks.

 Fucking criminal organization 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Our politicians and major corporations sold us out to China. Fuck them. 

[TwiceHorn 31453]

Doesn't excuse Trump in any way, but I'm getting righteously pissed at those motherfuckers and their nasty-ass hygiene and eating practices.  And their demand for endangered species.

And their cheating, stealing, contract-breaching narrow asses.

Fuck them.

[staboner 4969]

sigh. you hear that mr anderson?

virus either slows down or accelerates whats coming. i vote accelerates unfortunately. still lots of dust to settle but its just getting started IMO. lots of people maintenance to maintain and that will be damn hard with no economic clarity

[BNB 100]

[Zavala 1384]

Maybe this mushroom can cure Corona

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Zavala

[InkaUtexas 25915]

Hi, just wanted to say fuck china. Hope everyone else has a great evening! 

[Horn80 6119]

Fuck China for hiding the coronavirus when it got started and letting it turn into a pandemic.  Fuck off assholes.

[WhatTheBuck 28777]

6 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

Fuck China for hiding the coronavirus when it got started and letting it turn into a pandemic.  Fuck off assholes.

Fuck Trump and his incompetent cohorts for not reacting quickly and decisively as soon as we heard about it. We can't control what China does. They're an authoritarian regime and of course they tried to hide the truth and control the message to make things look better than they were. That's what authoritarian regimes do. That's the SAME FUCKING THING TRUMP DID! And is still doing. We're supposed to be better than that. Free and open democracies don't work that way. 

[Sejjr 3246]

Just came here to say fuck you, China!

[Guest Lobo]

On 3/13/2020 at 11:03 AM, TwiceHorn said:

This concerted effort by China to infiltrate and embed academic spies in university research and industry is something else.

Also, they failed in their bid to elect the head of the World Intellectual Property Organization.  Apparently in no small part due to Americans getting their shit together behind the scenes and lobbying against him.  I don't think WIPO is all that influential as far as assisting China in their rampant theft of IP, but it's a minor victory.

Had an event with the chief of UT system chief of police a few months back (the 8 academic campuses and the 6 medical institutions).  He runs the second largest law enforcement organization in the state after DPS, bigger than HPD.  So he briefs us on the usual stats and stuff.  First question for him is the same one somebody asks him every year, “what worries you the most about what could happen on one of our campuses?”

You’re expecting active shooter, date rape, hazing, maybe cybersecurity.  He says without hesitation foreign nationals here under legitimate credentials to steal from our medical and scientific laboratories.  He knows they’re already all over our system, most of them are benign, but he’s seen enough to know they’ve infiltrated and stolen from us.  System-wide, there are some massive research projects and extremely off limits and classified assets and facilities.  There are places at Pickle and M.D. Anderson where protocol is you can approach an unauthorized person with your weapon already drawn.  He goes on to say there is robust cooperation between his office, the FBI, Homeland, even the CIA.  But his real worry is that their cover stories are brilliant.  They get here by showing a little bit of their research, so we lift up the hood and show ‘em everything we’ve got.  And many personnel and researchers in our system don’t have any training on how to spot these folks.  Anyway, really opened my eyes to how academic espionage really works.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

22 hours ago, Horn80 said:

Fuck China for hiding the coronavirus when it got started and letting it turn into a pandemic.  Fuck off assholes.

How about fuck China for the startling inhuman way they treat animals in, and out of their food chain (ours isn't a whole lot better).  Which, is a damned small Venn diagram of animals, and animals NOT in their food chain.  

They should be embarrassed hourly on national and internationally  broadcast news shows, and the world should be shown how fucked up their system of gov't is. How many of the last big viruses coming down the road have NOT been from the PRC.

[Horn80 6119]

6 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

How about fuck China for the startling inhuman way they treat animals in, and out of their food chain (ours isn't a whole lot better).  Which, is a damned small Venn diagram of animals, and animals NOT in their food chain.  

They should be embarrassed hourly on national and internationally  broadcast news shows, and the world should be shown how fucked up their system of gov't is. How many of the last big viruses coming down the road have NOT been from the PRC.

Because people rather ignore the truth and assign blame to others that fit their political agendas.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, Horn80 said:

Because people rather ignore the truth and assign blame to others that fit their political agendas.

In this case more like a totalitarian gov't mafioso syndicate that keeps its citizens under their thumb, and doesn't allow economic prosperity, free speech, or dissention unless pre ordained by the powers that be.  

Kinda hard to assign blame anywhere else.....

[Enchubben 5510]

China is asshole

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

China is asshole

Hey, at least an asshole expels the waste. China is more like a large intestine, creating the waste.

[workswithseed 2103]

2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

China is asshole