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Just now, Burt Macklin said:

Lewis better get a stop go. That was bullshit and even if unintentional, Lewis shouldn’t get to benefit form that.

I’m also not convinced it was unintentional. Lewis knows if he misses the apex, Max has to back out or gets clipped. Win win for Lewis. Have to punish that kind of behavior. 

I think it was Jenson who said it was Lewis refusing to back down because it was his only chance, he didn’t use the word PANIC but, he could have

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meh, verstappen is the dude most notorious for elbows-out, inside-diving, hard racing.  telemetry logs will tell if lewis intentionally went off line (late braking point, no attempt to steer, etc).  as far as im concerned, that was a racing incident right up verstappens wheelhouse

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meh, verstappen is the dude most notorious for elbows-out, inside-diving, hard racing.  telemetry logs will tell if lewis intentionally went off line (late braking point, no attempt to steer, etc).  as far as im concerned, that was a racing incident right up verstappens wheelhouse

Have to agree here. The front wheels also hit which straightened up the steering a bit too, making it seem like he wasn’t going to hit the apex.

And yeah, Max is aggressive to the limit every time, so this was always going to happen at some point. Hell, he even went off track at T1 while defending.
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1 hour ago, Anton Chigurh said:


Have to agree here. The front wheels also hit which straightened up the steering a bit too, making it seem like he wasn’t going to hit the apex.

And yeah, Max is aggressive to the limit every time, so this was always going to happen at some point. Hell, he even went off track at T1 while defending.

super clear 4 wheels out - shouldve been sent to P2 directly for that alone

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2 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

"i hope he's happy with himself."

this Netflix episode is gonna be awesome.

Indeed. We’re not even done with this racing season and I already can’t wait for it be on Netflix, could end up being one of the best. 

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5 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

Horner is full of shit

How is he full of shit? His #1 driver took a 51G crash while Lewis gets handed the race win. Everyone knew that penalty wasn’t going to do anything. 
 

Lewis either has to hit the apex or back out. It’s that simple. You shouldn’t get to come up the inside while behind and flare out into the corner. 

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34 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

How is he full of shit? His #1 driver took a 51G crash while Lewis gets handed the race win. Everyone knew that penalty wasn’t going to do anything. 
 

Lewis either has to hit the apex or back out. It’s that simple. You shouldn’t get to come up the inside while behind and flare out into the corner. 

I’m not seeing where Lewis flared out on the corner, when their wheels touched his tires straighten out which make it appear that way. Lewis wasn’t going to hit the apex but Max had plenty of room on the outside he just wasn’t going to back off. My opinion is this was hard racing between aggressive drivers with neither driver going to back off and a 10 second penalty was probably the right call.

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I’m not seeing where Lewis flared out on the corner, when their wheels touched his tires straighten out which make it appear that way. Lewis wasn’t going to hit the apex but Max had plenty of room on the outside he just wasn’t going to back off. My opinion is this was hard racing between aggressive drivers with neither driver going to back off and a 10 second penalty was probably the right call.

Lewis has backed out of every single close incident with Max so far this season (Imola, Barcelona T1, other smaller incidents), until today. I can’t even recall a single time that Max has yielded, ever. He’s the most aggressive driver on the grid.

Hell, even just two corners earlier Lewis gave tons of room at Brooklands.
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This is actually a great synopsis:



Copied text, bold emphasis mine:

Verstappen vs Hamilton:

• ⁠Verstappen ran wide in turn 1 to hold onto P1 at the start of the race: https://i.imgur.com/ontotHf.jpg
• ⁠If Verstappen and Hamilton's positions were reversed in this position: https://i.imgur.com/I0yxBot.jpg Verstappen would have 100% dive bombed and forced his way through aggressively.
• ⁠Verstappen defended out of turn 5 and then moved across (angling his car at Hamilton) and had a tiny tiny bit of contact down the straight towards turn 6: https://i.imgur.com/krv4YuI.jpg
• ⁠At this point here https://i.imgur.com/iH6i7Ug.jpg Verstappen knew Hamilton was alongside so he knew that he had to give Hamilton room as per the rules, yet at this point: https://i.imgur.com/kSSHM6q.jpg he thought Hamilton had yielded and went for the turn in without thinking. Verstappen lifts off much earlier for the corner as you can see https://i.imgur.com/YT5PZyR.jpg Hamilton is very very easily alongside as shown in this edit: https://i.imgur.com/1VZiqUc.jpg but they are taking different lines into the corner because of the speed & position they are in, their lines are bound to cross: https://i.imgur.com/InrigS0.jpg, Verstappen had a lot more room that he could have given: https://i.imgur.com/sZyGIYI.jpg.

Both drivers could have avoided the accident, Verstappen could have given more room and ran to the outside and ran over the run off. I'm just glad both drivers are okay.

If we look at Barcelona earlier in the year, the race yesterday or even Imola... Verstappen has been on the same position as Hamilton was today and he never backed out of any of them. Instead Hamilton backed out to avoid the accidents; something which Verstappen could have done today.

Lando vs Hamilton

• ⁠Lando was also in Verstappens position and he backed out of it as Hamilton had got along side much earlier on in the straight

Leclerc vs Hamilton

• ⁠Leclerc in Verstappens position gave Hamilton the room he deserved, given that he was along side and he tried to stick it out on the outside of the corner to see if he can defend in that corner. He couldn't and he ran wide. Beautifully handled and unfortunate that he had a snap of the rear.

Alonso vs Vettel: 2014

• ⁠Alonso, who was in Verstappens position backed out of the corner much much earlier because he knew the car on the inside (Vettel) had the position claimed already.
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Lewis has backed out of every single close incident with Max so far this season (Imola, Barcelona T1, other smaller incidents), until today. I can’t even recall a single time that Max has yielded, ever. He’s the most aggressive driver on the grid.

Hell, even just two corners earlier Lewis gave tons of room at Brooklands.

Exactly. Max never gives away anything. Hamilton was being aggressive but he didn’t make any move towards Max and he could have been avoided. Max is simply always hyper-aggressive and thinks he deserves his spot.
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1 minute ago, Fastbreak said:


Exactly. Max never gives away anything. Hamilton was being aggressive but he didn’t make any move towards Max and he could have been avoided. Max is simply always hyper-aggressive and thinks he deserves his spot.

Max was all over the track even going off once trying to block Hamilton before the wreck, this was bound to happen with how aggressive he drives and Hamilton’s need to turn up the pressure to get back in the Champ race.

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Meh, it's possible that Max has driven overly aggressively and deserved major penalties before, and that Lewis drove overly aggressively and deserved a major penalty for this.  

It's not only possible, it's the reality.  

In other words, WhyNotBoth? *shrug*

 

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