Formula 1 2021

[Chewbacca 7766]

No, cars unlap after the track is cleared.

And then the SC does not come off until the next lap. There is no provision in the rules to allow only the lapped cars between P1 and P2 to unlap and then immediately pull the SC seconds later. Masi didn't care about the rules, he wanted an exciting last lap for tv, so he made it happen.

I'm sure Greg Maffei will give him a big bonus for that.

[G650 14235]

11 minutes ago, topochico said:

Drivers bitch about other drivers. Receivers ask for pass interference on every play. Soccer players fall down like they have been shot after getting brushed by a butterfly. 

This is the way. 

 

Truth

[Chewbacca 7766]

Anybody seen [mention=30]wood[/mention]

He's busy masturbating.

[G650 14235]

12 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

McLaren finishes the season as the only constructor to score a 1-2 at a Grand Prix this year. Nail the regulations, have Danny come good in his second year with the team and baby you got a stew.

[UTHornFan014 710]

6 hours ago, 52-80 said:

Not only that, it proved you can have a drawn-out, on-the-edge battle between 2 cars switching between inside and and outside lanes....without flagrant divebombs... AND it was between a red bull and mercedes no less.

Mercedes still complained that Perez was driving "dangerously". Buncha bitches in F1 (including Red Bull). 

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

Mercedes still complained that Perez was driving "dangerously". Buncha bitches in F1 (including Red Bull). 

Yet there they are, hanging their asses out on the line for your entertainment. Real time reactions might be annoying but nobody in Formula 1 is a bitch.

[Chewbacca 7766]

Mercedes still complained that Perez was driving "dangerously". Buncha bitches in F1 (including Red Bull). 

Checo did nothing wrong with Lewis. Dude did some great driving.

[UTHornFan014 710]

5 minutes ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Yet there they are, hanging their asses out on the line for your entertainment. Real time reactions might be annoying but nobody in Formula 1 is a bitch.

Where did I say they weren't hanging their asses on the line? Saying they are acting like bitches (with all the sanctimonious whining from most of them when they all do the same shit) doesn't mean they aren't fearless

[kevwun 15763]

It’s extra silly because Perez was in 1st place.  Gee, why would he make Hamilton work for the pass?  Using that logic, Hamilton should have pulled over to let Max pass on the last lap.

Edited December 12, 2021 by kevwun

[Huckleberry 32848]

59 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

 

Are you saying that a competent race director is going to OK cars to unlap while there is still personnel and heavy equipment on the track?

 

Yes because there were 3 miles of track where it was safe to do so. Marshals frequently make dash and grabs for debris under green flag conditions. That is significantly more dangerous than unlapping under safety car conditions with a yellow flag in the affected sector. 

One side is arguing for a specific combination of follow the regulations verbatim here but follow non-regulations precedent there to achieve the desired result. It's not Verstappen fanboys.

[BonzoMontreaux 1038]

Checo did nothing wrong with Lewis. Dude did some great driving.

I wanted Hamilton to win. Got tipped on the outcome when I was bringing up the OnDemand Broadcast. Knowing the outcome made the race no less entertaining. Checo and Hamilton going at it was nothing but racing. Great stuff.


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[ConferenceRoom 6141]

I wanted Hamilton to win. Got tipped on the outcome when I was bringing up the OnDemand Broadcast. Knowing the outcome made the race no less entertaining. Checo and Hamilton going at it was nothing but racing. Great stuff.


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Was this ESPN+?

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Anybody seen [mention=30]wood[/mention]

He's busy masturbating.

His guy he was rooting for in the battle won the WDC and unseated a 7-time world champion. I hope he enjoys the hell out of it. I know I did.

[vicerous 169]

4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Yes because there were 3 miles of track where it was safe to do so. Marshals frequently make dash and grabs for debris under green flag conditions. That is significantly more dangerous than unlapping under safety car conditions with a yellow flag in the affected sector. 

One side is arguing for a specific combination of follow the regulations verbatim here but follow non-regulations precedent there to achieve the desired result. It's not Verstappen fanboys.

I mean if you're arguing he should have followed the rules of the sport I completely agree. If he felt the track was safe then let them overtake on lap 1 of the SC. Hell, maybe lap 2 or 3. That's his choice to make in the rulebook. Alonso et al. were arguing for this very thing to happen for integrity's sake. He officiated the race in a way that would have to end under a yellow flag. 

Rules don't permit him to allow only a few hand-picked cars to overtake, and then bring the SC in a lap early. 

 

[Chewbacca 7766]

His guy he was rooting for in the battle won the WDC and unseated a 7-time world champion. I hope he enjoys the hell out of it. I know I did.

Not like this, man. Masi circumvented the rules and handed the title to Max.

This puts a really sour taste in my mouth for F1. Why have any rules if the rules don't matter? Let's just go Thunderdome.

[Chewbacca 7766]

But to be clear, i do not blame Max or RBR for this. It's all on Masi and the FIA.

[Goofyboy 3269]

But to be clear, i do not blame Max or RBR for this. It's all on Masi and the FIA.

Same. Max was handed the opportunity on a silver platter and he took it. Good on him.

Fuck Massi. I want to know why he changed his mind on the lapped cars. Was it him? Was it Liberty Media? It was a shit show bad for the sport.

[UTHornFan014 710]

Do I think the race (and subsequently the title) ended up being handed to Red Bull and Verstappen? For sure. 

But do I think that the more deserving driver won the championship this year? Also yes. If not for Verstappen being hit by Mercedes twice in a row at the British and Hungarian GP this would have already been over

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Not like this, man. Masi circumvented the rules and handed the title to Max.

This puts a really sour taste in my mouth for F1. Why have any rules if the rules don't matter? Let's just go Thunderdome.

Meh. From this thread I'm 100% convinced no matter how Max won, people would be salty about it for one reason or another. May as well enjoy it for now. Figure out how to fix the mess regarding the rules starting tomorrow. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5792]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Anybody seen @wood

 

[vicerous 169]

1 minute ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Meh. From this thread I'm 100% convinced no matter how Max won, people would be salty about it for one reason or another. May as well enjoy it for now. Figure out how to fix the mess regarding the rules starting tomorrow. 

I think he's an arrogant, petulant prick who happens to drive for the biggest cunt in the sport. I was always going to be salty with a loss but hey, the lead they earned let him drive the way he drove and he's a really fucking fast driver who out-performs his car. If he was faster today then hats off.

I wasn't prepared to have it manipulated the way it was. I'm really pissed because of that. Probably overly so but whatever. 

[PittsburghTiger 6175]

3 hours ago, kevwun said:

Hard tires also warm up slower, so Hamilton had 2 strikes against him.

Didn’t we hear during the race the team asking Hamilton what tires he wanted? At the end he could have come in the pit like Max did but, they decided not to

[PittsburghTiger 6175]

15 minutes ago, UTHornFan014 said:

Do I think the race (and subsequently the title) ended up being handed to Red Bull and Verstappen? For sure. 

But do I think that the more deserving driver won the championship this year? Also yes. If not for Verstappen being hit by Mercedes twice in a row at the British and Hungarian GP this would have already been over

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe +39 points for Hamilton in those two events 

[Chewbacca 7766]

Didn’t we hear during the race the team asking Hamilton what tires he wanted? At the end he could have come in the pit like Max did but, they decided not to

Timing was off for him both times. But that's at least part of racing.

[McCroskey 1504]

Lewis and Merc are such whiny bitches. They fucked up their pit strategies, twice, and it cost them both the race and the championship.

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by McCroskey

[Chewbacca 7766]

Meh. From this thread I'm 100% convinced no matter how Max won, people would be salty about it for one reason or another. May as well enjoy it for now. Figure out how to fix the mess regarding the rules starting tomorrow. 

So rules don't matter as long as you win? Can't say i agree.

[Chewbacca 7766]

Lewis and Merc are such whiny bitches. They fucked up their pit strategies, twice, and it cost them both the race and the championship.
 

That's not what cost them the race.

[VABuckeye 2472]

26 minutes ago, UTHornFan014 said:

Do I think the race (and subsequently the title) ended up being handed to Red Bull and Verstappen? For sure. 

But do I think that the more deserving driver won the championship this year? Also yes. If not for Verstappen being hit by Mercedes twice in a row at the British and Hungarian GP this would have already been over

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And the Perelli blown tire when he was on the last laps of a decisive win.

Edited December 12, 2021 by VABuckeye

[vicerous 169]

2 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Lewis and Merc are such whiny bitches. They fucked up their pit strategies, twice, and it cost them both the race and the championship.

 

He didn't pit the VSC because they liked the track position. They were right - Max didn't gain close to the 16 seconds he needed to catch him. 

He didn't pit the SC because they aren't going to give the championship leader the fucking lead with 5 laps to go, and a track filled with machinery and debris. 

 

[McCroskey 1504]

7 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

10 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Lewis and Merc are such whiny bitches. They fucked up their pit strategies, twice, and it cost them both the race and the championship.
 

That's not what cost them the race.

Disagree. 

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13 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

33 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Meh. From this thread I'm 100% convinced no matter how Max won, people would be salty about it for one reason or another. May as well enjoy it for now. Figure out how to fix the mess regarding the rules starting tomorrow. 

So rules don't matter as long as you win? Can't say i agree.

Max and RB didn't break any rules (as you mentioned earlier). If the officials make a mess of it, that's on them. Why not enjoy the win if you are a fan? 

But for the sport, yes, rules/implementation need to change. I would have also said the same if the race ended on yellow flags as that's not a good end either.  I'm not sure why they wouldn't just let the lapped cars through right away. Others mentioned not having a clear track yet. Seems weird that you can't let cars through without a clear track when they roll through there without an escort before the safety car comes out.

Regarding ending on yellow, I think that would also cause issues in a tight race ending. What would be to keep Sergio or Valterri from taking a dive if their teammate was under pressure at the front? Stop the threat and ensure the victory under yellow.

Edited December 12, 2021 by FirstTimeCaller

[PittsburghTiger 6175]

On Hamilton’s radio you can hear them tell Lewis that they will let the lapped cars through. Then they say they won’t, then they do.

[McCroskey 1504]

8 minutes ago, vicerous said:

He didn't pit the VSC because they liked the track position. They were right - Max didn't gain close to the 16 seconds he needed to catch him. 

He didn't pit the SC because they aren't going to give the championship leader the fucking lead with 5 laps to go, and a track filled with machinery and debris. 

 

Doesn't explain why they pitted on lap 15.

[Goofyboy 3269]

If Max had won on merit alone, fine, he wins. He’s still a muppet, but he’s a WDC with no controversy. Massi ignored rules to manufacture an opportunity for Max to win. It taints the win. It puts the legitimacy into arguments for a long time. As someone else said - why have rules if they can be flat changed at the race directors whim??

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Also, seeing on Reddit that Merc brought a lawyer with them to the race? 

[McCroskey 1504]

Just now, Goofyboy said:

If Max had won on merit alone, fine, he wins. He’s still a muppet, but he’s a WDC with no controversy. Massi ignored rules to manufacture an opportunity for Max to win. It taints the win. It puts the legitimacy into arguments for a long time. As someone else said - why have rules if they can be flat changed at the race directors whim??

For fuck's sake.  Did you not watch any other race this year?  Some decisions may have sucked but they've been consistent...at many races this year and then again today.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

If Max had won on merit alone, fine, he wins. He’s still a muppet, but he’s a WDC with no controversy. Massi ignored rules to manufacture an opportunity for Max to win. It taints the win. It puts the legitimacy into arguments for a long time. As someone else said - why have rules if they can be flat changed at the race directors whim??

Muppet? Did you just binge watch Ted Lasso or something?

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6 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Doesn't explain why they pitted on lap 15.

Yeah, I don't understand pitting that early when you were on mediums and Hamilton was flying. You had to know that 40 laps later it would be hard for pace. The thinking seemed to be just cover what Verstappen does. But then they abandoned that later on.

Hamilton was the faster driver today. Just one more pit stop and he is world champion. He even questioned it, although he does that quite often.

[Amos Moses 795]

If Max had won on merit alone, fine, he wins. He’s still a muppet, but he’s a WDC with no controversy. Massi ignored rules to manufacture an opportunity for Max to win. It taints the win. It puts the legitimacy into arguments for a long time. As someone else said - why have rules if they can be flat changed at the race directors whim??

Agree with most of this but I’m not sure it taints the win. He took advantage of an opportunity that came about through no fault or funny business of his own. The rules were absolutely massaged to create an event that generated a racing end rather than an end under yellow. But it wasn’t right to make that choice at the cost of bending the rules as everyone seemed to understand them before today.

[Amos Moses 795]

Muppet? Did you just binge watch Ted Lasso or something?

Why don’t you go finger bang yourself you thinned skin wanker.

[kevwun 15763]

I don't like caution laps.  The time you save from running a few laps behind a safety car is negligible.  Make a rule that any caution flag with 10 or less laps to go is an automatic red flag.  That way no races end under a caution and you don't have situations like today.

[Chewbacca 7766]

Max and RB didn't break any rules (as you mentioned earlier). If the officials make a mess of it, that's on them. Why not enjoy the win if you are a fan? 
But for the sport, yes, rules/implementation need to change. I would have also said the same if the race ended on yellow flags as that's not a good end either.  I'm not sure why they wouldn't just let the lapped cars through right away. Others mentioned not having a clear track yet. Seems weird that you can't let cars through without a clear track when they roll through there without an escort before the safety car comes out.
Regarding ending on yellow, I think that would also cause issues in a tight race ending. What would be to keep Sergio or Valterri from taking a dive if their teammate was under pressure at the front? Stop the threat and ensure the victory under yellow.

Never said they broke rules. Masi did, though.

[McCroskey 1504]

5 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Yeah, I don't understand pitting that early when you were on mediums and Hamilton was flying. You had to know that 40 laps later it would be hard for pace. The thinking seemed to be just cover what Verstappen does. But then they abandoned that later on.

Hamilton was the faster driver today. Just one more pit stop and he is world champion. He even questioned it, although he does that quite often.

Exactly.  Pitting right after Max and nulling the advantage of starting on mediums was very stupid on Merc's part.  One of their multiple critical mistakes today.

[topochico 1049]

Just now, McCroskey said:

Exactly.  Pitting right after Max and nulling the advantage of starting on mediums was very stupid on Merc's part.  One of their multiple critical mistakes today.

Toto went full prevent defense once LH took the big lead. He was playing to not lose. RB played to win and go home to fuck the prom queen.  

I hope McLaren can get a quality car together next year and punt both of these teams off of the podium. 

[topochico 1049]

33 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Regarding ending on yellow, I think that would also cause issues in a tight race ending. What would be to keep Sergio or Valterri from taking a dive if their teammate was under pressure at the front? Stop the threat and ensure the victory under yellow.

Is Alpha Romeo asking him? I think Bottas quit taking Toto's calls a few days ago. Hamilton was always going to be on his own today. 

Edited December 13, 2021 by topochico

[Goofyboy 3269]

Muppet? Did you just binge watch Ted Lasso or something?

He looks like a muppet and then this came out.

[Goofyboy 3269]

For fuck's sake.  Did you not watch any other race this year?  Some decisions may have sucked but they've been consistent...at many races this year and then again today.

Decisions on who was in a corner first are different from chunking the rule book out the window to manufacture a last lap between only two drivers.

[XYZ 2154]

Pérez seems pretty good at “elbows out” racing.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

Checo is a wizard in race conditions, always has been. Really glad to see him get some wins under his belt.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

By the way, if the race had ended under a safety car, this would have been the third year in a row for that to happen. 2019 and 2020 Bahrain both ended under the SC, both won by Lewis. Today would have been his fourth win under a SC.