Formula 1 2021

[utee94 16090]

2 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Maybe the 2012 V8s were just that much louder in my memory. 
 

The Ferrari challenge race was loud as shit during the downshifts at turn 12 from the grandstand. Each gear a shotgun blast. You can also really see the brakes light up slowing for that turn. 
 

That year it was also where all of the wrecks happened when they couldn’t break in time. 
 

I have yet to hear the new spec engine so guessing it’s a bit different. 

Oh yeah for sure, those 2012 F1 engines were quite loud.

The current engine formula, not so much.

[wood 11766]

5 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Maybe the 2012 V8s were just that much louder in my memory. 
 

The Ferrari challenge race was loud as shit during the downshifts at turn 12 from the grandstand. Each gear a shotgun blast. You can also really see the brakes light up slowing for that turn. 
 

That year it was also where all of the wrecks happened when they couldn’t break in time. 
 

I have yet to hear the new spec engine so guessing it’s a bit different. 

They were very loud. Probably still the loudest racing series at that point. Current F1 is one of the quietest series. And yeah, the Ferrari's & Lambos are wayyyy louder than F1 now. Even the Porsches and Astons are loud af in the right engine configs.

The new spec hasn't been announced, but it's looking like they'll do away with the MGU-H, so we could get some of the revs and the music back.

Edited October 5, 2021 by wood

[Betty Blackwell 144]

5 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

I have yet to hear the new spec engine so guessing it’s a bit different. 

There's a good reason my fantasy team's name has been "These Cars Could Be Lauda" for the last 8 years.

[Guest]

Yeah I was surprised they weren't that loud first time I heard them. Except the Honda engines have a very distinct brrrrt sound.

[Kdub 516]

3 hours ago, wood said:

They were very loud. Probably still the loudest racing series at that point. Current F1 is one of the quietest series. And yeah, the Ferrari's & Lambos are wayyyy louder than F1 now. Even the Porsches and Astons are loud af in the right engine configs.

The new spec hasn't been announced, but it's looking like they'll do away with the MGU-H, so we could get some of the revs and the music back.

The new engine regs will most likely still be hybrid, the MGUH is the most expensive part of the engine, its a cost cutting move and hopefully bring VW in as an engine supplier when the regs come into effect in 26.

 

Or I'm a regard..which is probably the case

Edited October 6, 2021 by Kdub
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[Anton Chigurh 3335]

The new engine regs will most likely still be hybrid, the MGUH is the most expensive part of the engine, its a cost cutting move and hopefully bring VW in as an engine supplier when the regs come into effect in 26.
 
Or I'm a regard..which is probably the case

This is all pretty much what will happen.

MGU-H does suck a lot of the noise up, so they’ll be a little louder. MGU-K output is nearly tripling as well.

[elfenix 34753]

Turbo engines just aren't as loud as a 20,000 RPM V8. And never will be. The engine part of an Indy car is not that much less powerful nor does it rev that much less than an F1 car and those things are also pretty quiet.

And I can do without having to wear ear protection but still having my ears ringing the next day. Being able to talk to the person next to you about the race as it is going on is one of the big benefits of the current F1 engine regs. No they don't sound like a nest of dragons anymore but that novelty wears off.

[wood 11766]

2 hours ago, Kdub said:

The new engine regs will most likely still be hybrid, the MGUH is the most expensive part of the engine, its a cost cutting move and hopefully bring VW in as an engine supplier when the regs come into effect in 26.

 

Or I'm a regard..which is probably the case

Yeah they'll still be hybrid, just not as stupidly expensive and complex (MGU-H goes. MGU-K stays).

[wood 11766]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

Turbo engines just aren't as loud as a 20,000 RPM V8. And never will be. The engine part of an Indy car is not that much less powerful nor does it rev that much less than an F1 car and those things are also pretty quiet.

And I can do without having to wear ear protection but still having my ears ringing the next day. Being able to talk to the person next to you about the race as it is going on is one of the big benefits of the current F1 engine regs. No they don't sound like a nest of dragons anymore but that novelty wears off.
 

For me it's not so much the sound volume as it is the sound quality. There have been some turbo F1 engines that sounded very, very good (not the current iteration). Making these PUs louder wouldn't make them sound any better at all. 

Here's a great example of a sportscar that sounds much better than an F1 engine does now...

And this Zonda isn't all that loud, but it makes some incredible music.

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by wood

[52-80 19377]

holy shit that pagani is straight up motorsports sound. 

these also sound better than f1:

 

[utee94 16090]

So I believe I've mentioned it before, but one of my close friend's son, is driving in F4.  He'll be racing at COTA during the USGP weekend, and he's the first/only Austin-born-and-raised driver ever to get a contract in F4, with his dream of course being to someday race in Formula 1.

He recently turned 16, so he was also driving a racecar, before he could legally drive a normal car, on the mean streets of Austin.

For anyone looking for someone to root for in the support series, he's a good guy from a good family.  His name is Ryan Shehan.

https://www.f4uschampionship.com/pages/2021-f4-u-s-drivers

(Lando's his favorite driver, for those interested)

Edited October 6, 2021 by utee94

[utee94 16090]

Also, I met up with him and his family last night, at a meet-n-gree at Live Oak Brewery sponsored by the Austin Chamber of Commerce, and he passed on the current, tentative schedule for the USGP weekend.  Looks like the only support races are F4 and W Series, so I guess we better enjoy the heck out of what we've got.

[Goofyboy 3434]

Thanks for the schedule!

[wood 11766]

LMFAO. Got this email yesterday. COTA's calling this race a sellout, and have been for months, but (just like I said they'd do) they've magically found some T4 grandstand inventory. Sellout, my ass.

 

Edited October 6, 2021 by wood

[utee94 16090]

What'd they do, dig out some of those bleachers from 2012 and set up 'em up again, real quick-like?

[utee94 16090]

50 minutes ago, wood said:

LMFAO. Got this email yesterday. COTA's calling this race a sellout, and have been for months, but (just like I said they'd do) they've magically found some T4 grandstand inventory. Sellout, my ass.

 

Hey @wood, any chance you can post that email link?  I know some folks still looking...

 

[wood 11766]

34 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Hey @wood, any chance you can post that email link?  I know some folks still looking..

Sure thing.  https://go.quintevents.com/webmail/824903/179730981/f6dcb4c0e947d45a4be8dfa04d0458585ed5b6974bce3bb379b41dec916d7457

Looks like the links there just take you to a place to register interest so they can call you.

Edited October 6, 2021 by wood

[Guest]

I do not care for Lewis Hamilton. There I said it.

[52-80 19377]

16 hours ago, utee94 said:

So I believe I've mentioned it before, but one of my close friend's son, is driving in F4.  He'll be racing at COTA during the USGP weekend, and he's the first/only Austin-born-and-raised driver ever to get a contract in F4, with his dream of course being to someday race in Formula 1.

He recently turned 16, so he was also driving a racecar, before he could legally drive a normal car, on the mean streets of Austin.

For anyone looking for someone to root for in the support series, he's a good guy from a good family.  His name is Ryan Shehan.

https://www.f4uschampionship.com/pages/2021-f4-u-s-drivers

(Lando's his favorite driver, for those interested)

when they were young....

 

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

[52-80 19377]

33 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

was. zum. teufel.

[wood 11766]

47 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

[utee94 16090]

There should probably be a sitcom based on his clothing choices.  It could be called, "Oh, Lewis."

 

[wood 11766]

9 minutes ago, utee94 said:

There should probably be a sitcom based on his clothing choices.  It could be called, "Oh, Lewis."

There's a 53 page Lewis thread over on Motorsport Mayhem, mostly about his, um, fashion sense. Tons of pics of his clothes, and they just kill (in the comedic sense).

All things Lewis and Bieber related! https://motorsportsmayhem.freeforums.net/thread/124/all-lewis-bieber-related?page=53

Edited October 7, 2021 by wood

[Guest]

Why isn't Angela carrying his man-purse?

[Amos Moses 795]

40 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Why isn't Angela carrying his man-purse?

My daughter and I have a running joke about hat, hairband, umbrella, mask, watch, water, scooter lady.  Never knew her name was Angela.

[Guest]

I think she is his physiotherapist as I saw some pictures of her rehabbing his neck after the Monza crash. But yeah, the only time you really see her it's doing a bunch of stuff that he could just do himself like carry an umbrella.

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

3 hours ago, 52-80 said:

was. zum. teufel.

I know.

He and Cam Newton should have a Fashion TV show together. 

[Chewbacca 7830]

4 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I think she is his physiotherapist as I saw some pictures of her rehabbing his neck after the Monza crash. But yeah, the only time you really see her it's doing a bunch of stuff that he could just do himself like carry an umbrella.

Correct.  Angela Cullen.

[Goofyboy 3434]

I think she is his physiotherapist as I saw some pictures of her rehabbing his neck after the Monza crash. But yeah, the only time you really see her it's doing a bunch of stuff that he could just do himself like carry an umbrella.

She’s spoken on that and it’s her job to carry those things. He’s offered, but she has said publicly that’s her job, she takes pride in taking care of everything for him that might be needed for a race.

[faps 818]

I wonder if she takes care of other needs too. 

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, faps said:

I wonder if she takes care of other needs too. 

Like scheduling dentist appointments? Finding contractors for home repairs? Arranging travel?

[wood 11766]

[PittsburghTiger 6346]

35 minutes ago, wood said:

[faps 818]

55 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Like scheduling dentist appointments? Finding contractors for home repairs? Arranging travel?

Exactly. 

[wood 11766]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Like scheduling dentist appointments? Finding contractors for home repairs? Arranging travel?

Fertilizing Lewis's hair implants?

[Updawg 2385]

It’s always amazing how some teams can make awesome livery’s but some just suck (haas)

[wood 11766]

9 minutes ago, Updawg said:

It’s always amazing how some teams can make awesome livery’s but some just suck (haas)

Man, that's for damn sure.

[VABuckeye 2481]

1 hour ago, wood said:

Oh hell yeah. 
That said, every McLaren livery should be a gulf Blue. It’s beautiful. 

[VABuckeye 2481]

Race week boys and I’ll say it.  I like the Saturday sprint.  It adds a serious element of surprise. 

[Dutch 4577]

2 hours ago, wood said:

 

1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

Oh hell yeah. 
That said, every McLaren livery should be a gulf Blue. It’s beautiful. 

Yep. Both should make those alternates their permanent liveries. 

1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

Race week boys

Hell yeah it is! 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

Race week boys and I’ll say it.  I like the Saturday sprint.  It adds a serious element of surprise. 

Unpopular opinions thread is that way --->

I think the weekend and qualifying is perfect as is. Sprint is just a weird thing that doesn't make sense. I get the "why" behind it, but in action it is just strange. 

If anything, they should have qualifying and then a one lap sprint. It all essentially comes down the first corner. All the other laps just seem superfluous. And I hate that a crash in the Sprint -- when there is a much higher risk than in qualifying -- can essentially make someone's Sunday pointless.

Edited October 8, 2021 by FirstTimeCaller

[Guest]

3 hours ago, wood said:

Rear wing going to be dark? 

[wood 11766]

Told my kid earlier that Lewis looked like an old lady with a sweater on over her dress. Then this popped up over on MM.

[wood 11766]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Unpopular opinions thread is that way --->

I think the weekend and qualifying is perfect as is. Sprint is just a weird thing that doesn't make sense. I get the "why" behind it, but in action it is just strange. 

If anything, they should have qualifying and then a one lap sprint. It all essentially comes down the first corner. All the other laps just seem superfluous. And I hate that a crash in the Sprint -- when there is a much higher risk than in qualifying -- can essentially make someone's Sunday pointless.

Yeah this is what I'm seeing. There's some variability on the start, and then everyone (minus Mazespin) just gets in line because they don't wanna risk too much before the race on Sunday.

[Burt Macklin 19230]

Ferrari’s looked quick in FP today. We’ll see if they can keep the pace tomorrow, but they were fast in Turkey last year even during the dry FP2. I’m not sure, but I don’t think they would run the new engine on a Friday, so they might have even a little more pace left. Charles has a good shot at pole and a chance at winning if Lewis takes a penalty and RB continue to struggle, though I’d expect RB to figure out some stuff with their setup by tomorrow. 
 

Edit:Looks Ferrari had better race pace than RB as well. In fact, Charles had second bets race pace on mediums behind Lewis’s so this could be interesting. Ferrari was having some front tire deg issues, which have plagued them before. Lewis still has a shot at the win from P11 if his pace is actually as fast as FP made it look. 

Edited October 8, 2021 by Burt Macklin

[Anton Chigurh 3335]

So far, Lewis is just taking a new ICE, which is a 10 grid spot penalty.

[Burt Macklin 19230]

6 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

So far, Lewis is just taking a new ICE, which is a 10 grid spot penalty.

Yep. He could conceivably beat Mac if RB don’t get some things figured out tonight. His race pace was .4 or .5 faster than the RBs. 

[mackavelli 183]

15 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

Oh hell yeah. 
That said, every McLaren livery should be a gulf Blue. It’s beautiful. 

I love that gulf livery.  I am finishing up a seiko mod as tribute.  Will be ready for US Grand Prix!

[wood 11766]

Looks like my source was right again, this time re: Andretti-> Sauber.

Dieter Rencken reporting it now on RaceFans, as is Scott Mitchell on The Race.

 

https://www.racefans.net/2021/10/08/andretti-tipped-to-take-majority-stake-in-saubers-f1-team/

https://the-race.com/formula-1/andretti-expected-to-get-f1-move-through-sauber-deal/

Edited October 8, 2021 by wood