Formula 1 2021

[wood 11103]

2 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

What did they do?  Are you talking about Hungary?

Yep. And Silverstone.

[Chewbacca 7727]

24 minutes ago, wood said:

Yep. And Silverstone.

Meh.  Max got them back for one of them in Monza.

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

One of my favorite grid walks. Sir Murray straight into Sir Stirling. RIP legends. 

Edited November 10, 2021 by ConferenceRoom

[wood 11103]

That clip sure brings back some memories! Flava Flav in the house, too. And apparently he's coming back to F1.  Some rumors out there that he's headed back to Alpine/Renault, but it's looking more like that's gonna be Ottmar. What I was told is that Flavio may be working for F1 in their Hospitality division. 

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

I can't imagine they'd let him back into the competition side of things. 

[texasdago 7550]

Nicolas Cage at 4:08... totally baked?  Got a young Alonso, too...

 

 

[utee94 15742]

You know what I notice about those two vintage grid walk videos?

 

 

GRID GIRLS!!!!

[VABuckeye 2472]

Brazil!!

 

[Dutch 4464]

Rumors that Merc may have to replace Hamilton’s internal combustion engine, due to water pressure drops in Mexico. That’s a “start at the back of the grid” penalty, correct?

https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-f1-news-lewis-hamilton-set-ice-change-brazil-grand-prix

Edited November 11, 2021 by Dutch

[elfenix 34168]

10 spots for just the ICE

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

I believe it’s actually 5 since they are already over the limit, but it seems like this is still just heavy rumor status.

[utee94 15742]

Yeah it's weird.  I believe that the first penalty is 10 spots, then after that it's only 5.  Seems like it should escalate, but whatever.

[wood 11103]

Parts change penalties on the driver suck. I it's absolutely necessary for there to be a penalty (it's not), then dock the team x amount of WCC points. 

[wood 11103]

Apparently the planes were stuck in Miami for some reason. I wonder what caused the delay?

Edited November 11, 2021 by wood

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

Weather leaving MXC, I believe (fog I think).

[TonyTexas 10478]

2 hours ago, wood said:

Apparently the planes were stuck in Miami for some reason. I wonder what caused the delay?

Why would the planes be in Miami?

[Guest]

I say put them all in carts and let them have a go at it. I'd watch.

[Chewbacca 7727]

4 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I say put them all in carts and let them have a go at it. I'd watch.

Tsunoda would dominate due to his weight advantage.

[wood 11103]

Apparently Haas's engines are missing in the delays ... not that that would make them any slower.

44 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Why would the planes be in Miami?

It seems it's because the altitude & thinner air (thus less lift) in Mexico City prohibits the planes to be loaded fully with fuel - so they can't make the 10 hour flight to Sao Paulo. They either have to go short on fuel and route via Miami or drop some cargo to be replaced with fuel, but use more planes. I guess the Miami route is the least expensive of the 2.

[XYZ 2154]

Ugh, they are gonna do that stupid sprint in Interlagos.

[wood 11103]

I would never bet against Alonso in a kart race. He's a beast on karts, & still karts competitively a lot.

[kevwun 15595]

A ton of Central and South American flights route through Miami, even if you are only flying to another country down there.  My wife was going from Belize to Peru once and had to go through Miami to do it.

Edited November 12, 2021 by kevwun

[elfenix 34168]

bogota has a similar need for a fuel stop down on the coast being at 10,000 feet. 

[wood 11103]

More detailed explanation of the Brazil snafu from an Autosport poster:

"Basically there are 5 chartered 747s for F1 handling the cargo, 2 for whatever reason flew through MIA but got delayed, 3 others flew through central/South American airports (San Jose and Lima) and made it on time. Not sure why 2 of them went through MIA but I do know MIA is a big maintenance hub for a lot of cargo operators, maybe the planes had tech issues.

As for how much less can be loaded onto a 747 in MEX, the cargo itself is the same, it’s just a question of fuel weight/load. They’d adjust the max takeoff weight to suit the air density/runway length etc, and the reduction in fuel carried compared to a cool takeoff from sea level can reduce the plane’s range by a huge amount, maybe up to 30%, certainly enough to require a fuel stop. It’s not just the reduced lift at the same speed, it’s that the engines produce less thrust with thinner air so it takes longer to get up to take off speed."

Edited November 12, 2021 by wood

[texas08 1599]

So this sprint thing….that’s just a mini race for extra points right?

Qualifying is still where they start on the grid? Or does the spring thing impact the starting position?

I probably should read the format rules.

[Amos Moses 795]

The sprint sets the grid for the GP. Qualifying sets the gird for the sprint. Finkle is Einhorn.

[utee94 15742]

48 minutes ago, Amos Moses said:

The sprint sets the grid for the GP. Qualifying sets the gird for the sprint. Finkle is Einhorn.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

I tried to watch the pre-race show on ESPN On-Demand and it was all screwed up.  First hour was just studio interviews, and then it started in with the normal show but cut short at around 8 minutes into that, during an interview with Phil.  Weird.

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

Welp, thar she blows.

[Guest]

Regarding engine penalties, anyone know the penalty for each part? Is this a 5 place, 10 place, or a start at the back of the field thing?

I will say that Hamilton charging through the field from the back in Brazil would be must-see TV.

[utee94 15742]

So it should just be 5 spots then, right?  Since it's #5 out of 3 allowed? 

Also, I'm gonna be screwed on watching the sprint qualifying session tomorrow, since it's on ESPNews.  Anyone know of live or recorded stream or torrent that would be available somewhere?

I've missed the past couple qualys as well, for the same reason, and just had to watch the highlights on Youtube.  But I'd like to catch the Sprint in its entirety if possible.

 

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

Regarding engine penalties, anyone know the penalty for each part? Is this a 5 place, 10 place, or a start at the back of the field thing?
I will say that Hamilton charging through the field from the back in Brazil would be must-see TV.

It’s a 5 place penalty, applied after the sprint race for the starting race grid.

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

So it should just be 5 spots then, right?  Since it's #5 out of 3 allowed? 
Also, I'm gonna be screwed on watching the sprint qualifying session tomorrow, since it's on ESPNews.  Anyone know of live or recorded stream or torrent that would be available somewhere?
I've missed the past couple qualys as well, for the same reason, and just had to watch the highlights on Youtube.  But I'd like to catch the Sprint in its entirety if possible.
 

May be able to watch on the ESPN app with your cable provider? It’s possible it would allow you to watch there.

[utee94 15742]

Just now, Anton Chigurh said:

May be able to watch on the ESPN app with your cable provider? It’s possible it would allow you to watch there.

Unfortunately, it doesn't.  It checks your subscription and knows which channels you get, and don't get.  I get ESPN and ESPN2 so it allows me those, plus anything that's on ESPN3 (which is where ABC stuff falls as well).

But ESPNews, Deportes, and the Ocho, are all off limits for me.  

[utee94 15742]

I will say that every now and then, the filter breaks down and I can sneak in some viewing.  I watched qualy a few weeks back in Spanish on ESPN Deportes because for some reason it failed to block me that day.  Good thing yo hablo espanol un poquito.

But usually, it works correctly and blocks me out.

[TonyTexas 10478]

@utee94 Try sportsurge.net

[Guest]

I'm an F1TV subscriber. I think you can sign up for $10 a month. Between the ads and weird shit that goes on with pirated streams, it's worth not having the hassle.

[RPM 26185]

Only got to see the last 20 min of P1. Lewis is fast and the penalty won't hurt him.

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

I'm an F1TV subscriber. I think you can sign up for $10 a month. Between the ads and weird shit that goes on with pirated streams, it's worth not having the hassle.

I especially like that it doesn't cut to commercials between the Qualifying sessions, you get to see various replays and hear team radios. Be warned though, you're not getting Sky's analysis feed either (SkyPad), so you'll just hear people like Ant, Karun, or Paul talking but not see what they're describing. 

The content is worth the price. 

[wood 11103]

3 hours ago, Anton Chigurh said:

Welp, thar she blows.

It's a 5 place penalty, but it says both HAM & LEC start P19. I've never seen that. Anyone know why it's written that way?

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

It's a 5 place penalty, but it says both HAM & LEC start P19. I've never seen that. Anyone know why it's written that way?

It’s saying they start the 19th event (race) with a new X component.

[elfenix 34168]

if you only need the engine for a few races you can burn it up faster. 

[elfenix 34168]

feels like they could hug the pit wall closer and maybe pick up some hundredths.  guess they have data telling them otherwise

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

The Eye of Toto. 

[Dutch 4464]

29 minutes ago, elfenix said:

if you only need the engine for a few races you can burn it up faster. 

It does rather seem that’s Merc’s strategy, doesn’t it. A five-place grid penalty doesn’t seem it will hinder Lewis too much this weekend, esp if he wins the sprint race and the extra point(s).

Two sprint races so far this year, two Ham-Ver collisions in the GP. Do they make it three for three?

 

[utee94 15742]

1 hour ago, Dutch said:

It does rather seem that’s Merc’s strategy, doesn’t it. A five-place grid penalty doesn’t seem it will hinder Lewis too much this weekend, esp if he wins the sprint race and the extra point(s).

Two sprint races so far this year, two Ham-Ver collisions in the GP. Do they make it three for three?

 

Fingers crossed!

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

RIP

[ChickenSandwich 9797]

Random question

DRS, is it driver activated? (Button). Seems like no one  is ever late or early so assuming it’s automated?  
 

Last race the announcer said they hit the brake pedal to disengage DRS

[TonyTexas 10478]

15 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

RIP

The penalty: Bottas DQ

Edited November 12, 2021 by TonyTexas

[Anton Chigurh 3318]

Random question
DRS, is it driver activated? (Button). Seems like no one  is ever late or early so assuming it’s automated?  
 
Last race the announcer said they hit the brake pedal to disengage DRS

Yes, it’s manual. They typically hear a beep in their headset when they pass that line.

[Dutch 4464]

31 minutes ago, Anton Chigurh said:

RIP