Matt Campbell or bust

[B00M 6280]

18 minutes ago, Queen Bitch said:

Eh. I hate when schools poach in-conference. It’s weaksauce

What? Familiarity with the offenses so we don't get to go through DC baptism by fire and bring a conference opponent down a peg. I'm OK with Campbell if it comes to that. Even.if he's not an upgrade over TH years 1-4 (& I think he would be at least a minor upgrade), he's a huge upgrade over neutered TH year 5.

Edited December 19, 2020 by B00M

[Tex-19 2869]

How are people not understanding how much of a disadvantage coaching at ISU is compared to a place like UT or OU? It's not just Ames as a city. It's a program with zero history, low budget, no local recruiting pipeline of note, etc. They've been a doormat forever for a reason.

[phdhorn 6224]

10 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

3x Big 12 Coach of the Year for winning in shitty Ames, IA

I give him credit for that, but winning Big 12 Coach of the Year is kind of like winning the "Camper of the Week at a fat camp.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

16 minutes ago, FloridaHorn said:

This is the shit take. ISU had 9 players on the 1st team all B12 team. 

 

14 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

This is an even worse take. Average ISU recruiting class over the last 4 years is 46th. It's almost as if they were fucking coached up.

I think that says a lot more about how unbelievably shitty the big 12 is, in large part because of how shitty we’ve been. I wonder what the other schools in the big 12 have top recruiting classes. We need a coach with a proven track record. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[Droopy 2624]

Five star talent vs. Five star culture

 

[Had Enough 2057]

Fitzgerald

The guy that just gave up 300 yards rushing to an OU transfer?

[TexasGolf 4858]

CUM

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

3 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

How are people not understanding how much of a disadvantage coaching at ISU is compared to a place like UT or OU? It's not just Ames as a city. It's a program with zero history, low budget, no local recruiting pipeline of note, etc. They've been a doormat forever for a reason.

Think about what kind of pressure you’d have you’d be under if you were playing golf with a random group of 4 people with nothing on the line. Now play with that same group of people but you have half of your bank account on the line. That’s the difference in the level of pressure at Iowa state vs Texas. 

[WBT 20423]

Herman's giving us half his bank account back for sucking?  Sweet.

[Bevo14 8274]

I don't understand the comparison to Herman. Louisiana is the only team he's lost to that has distinctly less talent. I feel like he's a 10 win avg minimum type of coach if he comes here. He's playing the same competition we're playing and doing better. Actually their schedule is tougher on paper because they have to play us as well. He has had a bunch of star players that were nobody recruits.

 

He's not perfect but there's very few coaches that have a better resume that we can get. There's Urban, Brian Kelly, and who else exactly?

Edited December 19, 2020 by Bevo14

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

4 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

I don't understand the comparison to Herman. Louisiana is the only team he's lost to that has distinctly less talent. I feel like he's a 10 win avg minimum type of coach if he comes here. He's playing the same competition we're playing and doing better. 

 

He's not perfect, but there's very few coaches that have a better resume that we can get.

God damn we’ve really fallen that far, haven’t we. It’s sad. This used to be a job that just about every coach in the country would kill for. Now we’re settling for Matt fucking Campbell as the best we can do. We really are the University of Miami now. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[Landomatic 3813]

3 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

I don't understand the comparison to Herman. Louisiana is the only team he's lost to that has distinctly less talent. I feel like he's a 10 win avg minimum type of coach if he comes here. He's playing the same competition we're playing and doing better. He has had a bunch of star players that were nobody recruits.

 

He's not perfect but there's very few coaches that have a better resume that we can get.

He’s Tom Herman at Houston.  Or Charlie Strong at Louisville.

[Kurt Bowels 213]

18 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

Shit take. It's almost as if he’s playing teams with more talent every week.

 

Sorry, don't usually like to post opinions much but... And pardon the grammar etc in advance. On my phone and hate typing from it 

Campbell had more offensive talent than Texas this year, yes. You can't just look at fake recruiting rankings. You also have to take into account the kids at Texas have significantly more pressure on them than Iowa State, so you need better coaches and players by a significant margin. If you go into a game with only a slight advantage in talent against a run of the mill program at a place like Texas, there's a decent chance you are going to get beat. Mack Brown and Charlie Strong put this place in a hole. Strong was an awful recruiter. Herman hasn't been a great recruit, but has at least evaluated talent at a decent level.

IOWA STATE OFFENSE

Campbell's QB is more talented (most talented in the conference).

His running back is a stud.

Frankly, it is easier to find offensive linemen in the Midwest.

He has an absolute stud tight end.

His defense is good, although not more talented than Texas.

Feel like his offensive scheme is a little outdated. Purdy underperformed there.

Campbell is a slight upgrade, and he may succeed because he takes over a better situation than Herman, but he's not all that much better than Herman.

Texas must give Urban Meyer whatever he needs to take the job and be successful. He is right there for the taking. It is what a true blueblood program gets done in this situation. Right place, right time. No excuse whatsoever.

We not only need better coaching, especially more consistent offensive coaching YOY, but we must land more 5 star talent. A class full of the 200th rated players isn't gonna cut it. Class ranking is less important than the top 10 players in your class being difference makers and bottom ten of your class being well evaluated. I don't even care where the bottom ten is ranked by the fake recruiting services. The 1,000th ranked player can easily be better than the 200th ranked player. The only thing worth looking at "rankings" for are the 5 stars who also have the size and speed (not Sterns) and the top 100. On top of that, it is evaluation and how much size and speed did you recruit in the class? The rest is just filler to try and get you to pay $9.95.

 

[Landomatic 3813]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

They did not out-talent Texas. He’d be an upgrade over Herman, who is a clear upgrade over Strong. Saying he’s simply a Herman/Strong clone is stupid on multiple levels. 

How much of an upgrade remains to be seen. I don’t know if he can recruit like he needs to at Texas. I’d be somewhat enthusiastic about him and also a little tepid. 

This may all be true, but we’re 0-2 on the hot young up and coming name who does more with less and had one good year with a transcendent player and wins some he shouldn’t win while losing some he should win.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

4 minutes ago, Kurt Bowels said:

 

Sorry, don't usually like to post opinions much but... And pardon the grammar etc in advance. On my phone and hate typing from it 

Campbell had more offensive talent than Texas this year, yes. You can't just look at fake recruiting rankings. You also have to take into account the kids at Texas have significantly more pressure on them than Iowa State, so you need better coaches and players by a significant margin. If you go into a game with only a slight advantage in talent against a run of the mill program at a place like Texas, there's a decent chance you are going to get beat. Mack Brown and Charlie Strong put this place in a hole. Strong was an awful recruiter. Herman hasn't been a great recruit, but has at least evaluated talent at a decent level.

IOWA STATE OFFENSE

Campbell's QB is more talented (most talented in the conference).

His running back is a stud.

Frankly, it is easier to find offensive linemen in the Midwest.

He has an absolute stud tight end.

His defense is good, although not more talented than Texas.

Feel like his offensive scheme is a little outdated. Purdy underperformed there.

Campbell is a slight upgrade, and he may succeed because he takes over a better situation than Herman, but he's not all that much better than Herman.

Texas must give Urban Meyer whatever he needs to take the job and be successful. He is right there for the taking. It is what a true blueblood program gets done in this situation. Right place, right time. No excuse whatsoever.

We not only need better coaching, especially more consistent offensive coaching YOY, but we must land more 5 star talent. A class full of the 200th rated players isn't gonna cut it. Class ranking is less important than the top 10 players in your class being difference makers and bottom ten of your class being well evaluated. I don't even care where the bottom ten is ranked by the fake recruiting services. The 1,000th ranked player can easily be better than the 200th ranked player. The only thing worth looking at "rankings" for are the 5 stars who also have the size and speed (not Sterns) and the top 100. On top of that, it is evaluation and how much size and speed did you recruit in the class? The rest is just filler to try and get you to pay $9.95.

 

TLDR?

[Dbeasy 14970]

I can’t take watching a three man front anymore. I can’t. I won’t.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

If the end goal is to go 9-3 every year, fuck it. Let’s hire him. It’s not like we’re a football school that anyone takes seriously anymore. Might as well consistently go 9-3 and get to the cotton bowl. Beggars can’t be choosers, and somehow we’re the beggars now. I guess I need to drastically lower my expectations for what I thought we should be.

Edited December 19, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[millhouse 2587]

Fuckin day crew shit again

[BradInATX 9208]

"Our goal is to win conference titles! Matt Campbell is below our standard!" say super smart Longhorns, as they watch Matt Campbell come within three points of winning a conference championship at a program with 1/10th the resources and half the on field talent as Texas.

"He would never succeed here!", they say, as they say prayers to their god of choice that the stars align and Tom Herman's team can sneak into the prestigious Cheez-It bowl.

[Jive Turkey 12568]

8 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

If the end goal is to go 9-3 every year, fuck it. Let’s hire him. It’s not like we’re a football school that anyone takes seriously anymore. Might as well consistently go 9-3 and get to the cotton bowl. Beggars can’t be choosers, and somehow we’re the beggars now. I guess I need to drastically lower my expectations for what I thought we should be.

there are no sure thing hires. and the closest to a sure thing is not coming.  

so it's either stick with Herman or take a chance on a guy who could have a higher ceiling.  it's not necessarily gonna be Campbell that we hire, but i'd rather roll with Campbell than stick with what we've got.  if Campbell is the kind of coach who consistently has 9-3 teams, he's bound to throw in an 11-1 or 12-0 team every once in a while.  law of averages and such.  he'd basically be Mack Brown.  i'd kill for that right now.  and so would you.  better than the shit we've suffered through. 

1998	Texas	9–3	6–2	2nd (South)	W Cotton	16	15
1999	Texas	9–5	6–2	1st (South)	L Cotton	23	21
2000	Texas	9–3	7–1	2nd (South)	L Holiday	12	12
2001	Texas	11–2	7–1	1st (South)	W Holiday	5	5
2002	Texas	11–2	6–2	T–1st (South)^	W Cotton	7	6
2003	Texas	10–3	7–1	2nd (South)	L Holiday	11	12
2004	Texas	11–1	7–1	2nd (South)	W Rose†	4	5
2005	Texas	13–0	8–0	1st (South)	W Rose†	1	1
2006	Texas	10–3	6–2	2nd (South)	W Alamo	13	13
2007	Texas	10–3	5–3	2nd (South)	W Holiday	10	10
2008	Texas	12–1	7–1	T–1st (South)^	W Fiesta†	3	4
2009	Texas	13–1	8–0	1st (South)	L BCS NCG†	2	2

and don't give me this "we should be like Alabama or OU or Clemson playing for national titles every year."  we haven't been like except for a few brief runs during Mack and DKR's tenures.

 

[Newy25 7638]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

Who’s fault is that?

You think it’s reasonable to expect Iowa St to accumulate more talent than Texas or Oklahoma? 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

6 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

there are no sure thing hires. and the closest to a sure thing is not coming.  

so it's either stick with Herman or take a chance on a guy who could have a higher ceiling.  it's not necessarily gonna be Campbell that we hire, but i'd rather roll with Campbell than stick with what we've got.  if Campbell is the kind of coach who consistently has 9-3 teams, he's bound to throw in an 11-1 or 12-0 team every once in a while.  law of averages and such.  he'd basically be Mack Brown.  i'd kill for that right now.  and so would you.  better than the shit we've suffered through. 

1998	Texas	9–3	6–2	2nd (South)	W Cotton	16	15
1999	Texas	9–5	6–2	1st (South)	L Cotton	23	21
2000	Texas	9–3	7–1	2nd (South)	L Holiday	12	12
2001	Texas	11–2	7–1	1st (South)	W Holiday	5	5
2002	Texas	11–2	6–2	T–1st (South)^	W Cotton	7	6
2003	Texas	10–3	7–1	2nd (South)	L Holiday	11	12
2004	Texas	11–1	7–1	2nd (South)	W Rose†	4	5
2005	Texas	13–0	8–0	1st (South)	W Rose†	1	1
2006	Texas	10–3	6–2	2nd (South)	W Alamo	13	13
2007	Texas	10–3	5–3	2nd (South)	W Holiday	10	10
2008	Texas	12–1	7–1	T–1st (South)^	W Fiesta†	3	4
2009	Texas	13–1	8–0	1st (South)	L BCS NCG†	2	2

and don't give me this "we should be like Alabama or OU or Clemson playing for national titles every year."  we haven't been like except for a few brief runs during Mack and DKR's tenures.

 

Or just get a proven coach that’s had success at a major program. You know, kinda like aggy did. But hey, if we got passed up by aggy it would make sense. We have to settle and hope. For some reason I though this school had more prestige, but I guess I was wrong all along

Edited December 19, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[LTtxfan 48983]

45 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

I give him credit for that, but winning Big 12 Coach of the Year is kind of like winning the "Camper of the Week at a fat camp.

😂😂😂

[BradInATX 9208]

Or just get a proven coach that’s had success at a major program.

Like who?

[USNALonghorn 5024]

If Tom Herman is an 8 win coach, then Campbell is a 9 win coach. Not much of an upgrade and you still get the annual WTF loss. This thread if filled with hyperbole. CUM or bust.

[Huckleberry 32704]

He didn't cover himself in glory today from a gameday coaching perspective. It might not be fair but you only get so many chances at championships (yes, especially at Iowa State) and on their last drive he completely choked as a coach. 

There was zero excuse for not calling his last timeout then refocusing his team. Not to mention I assume he was at least partially at fault for not getting a call in for the first 35 seconds between plays. 

Maybe he'll learn from it and I'm not saying he wouldn't be a vast improvement over Herman, but that kind of thing is a red flag.

Plus it's understandable not to get lots of top talent to Ames. But having zero buzz as a good recruiter isn't good. As I've said it's my belief we should help our coaches on this last one by unleashing our own bagmen but I doubt we're smart enough to do that so it does matter. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by Huckleberry

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

6 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

 

Like who?

 

Throw a shit ton of money at someone to the point where they can’t say no. We’re the fucking university of Texas. This really should be one of the 3 or so best jobs in the country if not the best. But again, I’ve accepted that I need to lower my expectations quite a bit. That has been made clear by this thread 

Edited December 19, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[BradInATX 9208]

Throw a shit ton of money at someone to the point where they can’t say no.

We did. He said no.

It's easier said than done. Campbell is, by a huge margin, the best of the options outside of wing-and-prayer types like Urban Mullen or Saban.

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

Matt Campbell would at least be smart enough to throw to Wiley more than twice a game and give Bijan no less than 10 carries. 

[BradInATX 9208]

For the record, I actually do agree with this even though I also think Campbell would be better than Herman.  We take exactly zero advantage of having the highest revenue of any athletic department.   It’s like if the Yankees and the Dodgers never chased the big money free agents.  Or if in the 90s when the NFL had no salary cap for a while, if instead of signing Deion Sanders Jerry Jones decided it would be better to trade Aikman to cut costs.

Yeah, he's not wrong. I just don't see a slam dunk coach that we can money whip that's out there to be had.

[THUJONE 4550]

Look, I'm good with any coach who can develop talent (Campbell is a yes); can coach (Campbell is a yes); and doesn't get in the way of his coordinators (as far as I can tell). He's strategic where Herman says "I'm running my shit, stop me." And then when they do stop us, he doesn't have a backup plan. Herman is checkers. Campbell...well I don't know if he's chess, but he ain't checkers. 

[ztejas 43266]

The fact that there's even a debate going on in here is embarassing. 

[dcar00 14036]

6 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

He didn't cover himself in glory today from a gameday coaching perspective. It might not be fair but you only get so many chances at championships (yes, especially at Iowa State) and on their last drive he completely choked as a coach. 

There was zero excuse for not calling his last timeout then refocusing his team. Not to mention I assume he was at least partially at fault for not getting a call in for the first 35 seconds between plays. 

Maybe he'll learn from it and I'm not saying he wouldn't be a vast improvement over Herman, but that kind of thing is a red flag.

Plus it's understandable not to get lots of top talent to Ames. But having zero buzz as a good recruiter isn't good. As I've said it's my belief we should help our coaches on this last one by unleashing our own bagmen but I doubt we're smart enough to do that so it does matter. 

yep. there was plenty of time.  use the TO and organize 2 plays to get the first.  He'd be an improvement but not by much.  Herman would have likely been 9-3/8-4 this year if we play a full schedule.

the big problem is we don't know how to do bagmen, we'd completely fuck it up, we aren't in a conf that would cover for us, and our pussy admin would take it up the ass and ask for more when the NCAA told us we were in trouble.  we do know how to do the 100.00 handshake but not the big money bagmen.

 

 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

Just now, longhornmatt said:

For the record, I actually do agree with this even though I also think Campbell would be better than Herman.  We take exactly zero advantage of having the highest revenue of any athletic department.   It’s like if the Yankees and the Dodgers never chased the big money free agents.  Or if in the 90s when the NFL had no salary cap for a while, if instead of signing Deion Sanders Jerry Jones decided it would be better to trade Aikman to cut costs.

My point exactly. I won’t argue that Campbell is a slight upgrade over Herman. I just don’t think it makes a difference at all. It’s sad, man. If Matt Campbell really is the best we can do, I think we’re fucked for another 5 years 

[BradInATX 9208]

The fact that there's even a debate going on in here is embarassing. 

Well, you've at least got this part right.

[ztejas 43266]

59 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

He's playing the same competition we're playing and doing better.

No he isn't. His W/L over the last 4 years is now worse than Herman's with less big wins. 

[BradInATX 9208]

No he isn't. His W/L over the last 4 years is now worse than Herman's with less big wins. 

It's not Campbell's fault that beating Texas is no longer a "big win".

How terrible is your take when it boils down to "Herman's W/L record is better at a top 5 traditional program than Campbell's is at a bottom 10 program in all of P5!".

Jesus. Unbelievably bad. It's like watching two guys race where one is in a Formula 1 Car and the other is riding a donkey and saying "man, the guy on the donkey couldn't quite beat the F1 car. What a chump!"

[TwiceHorn 31291]

One thing I think Scipio mentioned in his podcast is the difference between dealing with entitled, prima donna 4 and 5 stars versus hungry, insulted 3 stars.  Keeping their egos in check while keeping them motivated is no mean feat.

So ISU is a P5 program, sure, but in the sense of recruiting, it may be more akin to a top G5 because it's actually easier to develop some ignored, but talented players.

Edited December 19, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[ztejas 43266]

2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

How terrible is your take when it boils down to "Herman's W/L record is better at a top 5 traditional program than Campbell's is at a bottom 10 program in all of P5!".

That isn't my take. The poster I replied to said that Campbell is doing better against the same competition. That isn't true. It was barely true this year and ISU was ranked 6th in the country going into today's game.

And this isn't about Herman. I'm not defending Herman - I want him gone yesterday. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by ztejas

[BradInATX 9208]

That isn't my take. The poster I replied to said that Campbell is doing better against the same competition. That isn't true. It was barely true this year and ISU was ranked 6th in the country going into today's game.
And this isn't about Herman. I'm not defending Herman - I want him gone yesterday. 

Would Matt Campbell lose to TCU with Texas talent?

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

4 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That isn't my take. The poster I replied to said that Campbell is doing better against the same competition. That isn't true. It was barely true this year and ISU was ranked 6th in the country going into today's game.
And this isn't about Herman. I'm not defending Herman - I want him gone yesterday. 

Would Matt Campbell lose to TCU with Texas talent?

Gary Patterson is a better coach, so I can’t rule it out.

[ztejas 43266]

4 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

6 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That isn't my take. The poster I replied to said that Campbell is doing better against the same competition. That isn't true. It was barely true this year and ISU was ranked 6th in the country going into today's game.
And this isn't about Herman. I'm not defending Herman - I want him gone yesterday. 

Would Matt Campbell lose to TCU with Texas talent?

I don't give a shit. Find someone that cares. Sonny Dykes beat TCU on the road last year with far less talent than Texas has. Do you want him coaching Texas?

[Newy25 7638]

1 hour ago, Bevo14 said:

I don't understand the comparison to Herman. Louisiana is the only team he's lost to that has distinctly less talent. I feel like he's a 10 win avg minimum type of coach if he comes here. He's playing the same competition we're playing and doing better. Actually their schedule is tougher on paper because they have to play us as well. He has had a bunch of star players that were nobody recruits.

 

He's not perfect but there's very few coaches that have a better resume that we can get. There's Urban, Brian Kelly, and who else exactly?

You don’t understand the comparison because it’s a terrible comparison that does not make any sense. 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

If y’all want, I can start the “fire Matt Campbell” thread the moment we hire him. Or would y’all prefer to wait for the inevitable and start it 2 years after we hire him.

[BradInATX 9208]

Gary Patterson is a better coach, so I can’t rule it out.

Lol

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

It’s amazing that actual living breathing human beings would take Luke fucking Fickell and scoff at Matt Campbell.
 

Matt Campbell made the Big 12 championship game at Iowa fucking State!! Dude has Opoy, Dpoy, Offensive Newcomer oty, Defense Freshman oty, and Coty at Iowa fucking State! Nine first teamers at Iowa fucking State!

 

but yeah let’s hire the Big 10 guy who beat mighty Memphis by 5 and UCF by 3

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

10 minutes ago, youdunnf said:

Gary Patterson is a better coach, so I can’t rule it out.

Lol

Patterson would do better here than Campbell would. At least he’s coached and won a handful of big games in his coaching career. I say that and I don’t want either. We should be better than that 

Edited December 19, 2020 by youdunnf'dup

[4th&Five 41461]

55 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

You think it’s reasonable to expect Iowa St to accumulate more talent than Texas or Oklahoma? 

That’s not what he wrote. He said “every week.” 

[golfclap 6903]

27 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

29 minutes ago, ztejas said:

That isn't my take. The poster I replied to said that Campbell is doing better against the same competition. That isn't true. It was barely true this year and ISU was ranked 6th in the country going into today's game.
And this isn't about Herman. I'm not defending Herman - I want him gone yesterday. 

Would Matt Campbell lose to TCU with Texas talent?

Yes. He’d lose at least a game a year that he has no business losing. Look at his history esp vs lesser opponents like UNI, Drake, ULL, NIU over and over ... hell, the entire 2019 season was one gaffe after another with clock management so bad that Charlie Strong laughed at it.

The more important question is would he be able to get Heacock to come with him and for how long? Without Heacock he’s a downgrade.

Herman isn’t the bar. Matt Campbell is not and should not be our standard. 

[BradInATX 9208]

9 minutes ago, golfclap said:

Yes. He’d lose at least a game a year that he has no business losing. Look at his history esp vs lesser opponents like UNI, Drake, ULL, NIU over and over ... hell, the entire 2019 season was one gaffe after another with clock management so bad that Charlie Strong laughed at it.

The more important question is would he be able to get Heacock to come with him and for how long? Without Heacock he’s a downgrade.

Herman isn’t the bar. Matt Campbell is not and should not be our standard. 

Wait did you just name two wins in your "losses vs. lesser opponents" list? 

Strong work there.

 

So by your estimation a guy that has averaged one bad loss every 2.5 years at Iowa State is suddenly going to have multiple bad losses per year at Texas? The fuck? Swear to god the Urban thing has rotted people's brains around here.

Edited December 19, 2020 by BradInATX