The Beatles - Get Back (by Peter Jackson)

[jimmyjazz 45895]

I've never done the exercise, but I find it astounding that, were I to try to name my 10 favorite Beatles songs, George Harrison would get two nods ("Here Comes The Sun" and "Something").  I mean, to crack the rare air occupied by Paul McCartney and John Lennon is just nuts.  That band was so ridiculously talented as songwriters.  Pretty damn fine players, too.

Edited November 23, 2021 by jimmyjazz
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[Chad Fuck 17662]

14 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

That Tele is so fucking beautiful

Apparently it's super heavy, which is why they didn't make a whole bunch of them.  I think they just made three originally, if I recall correctly.  Of course, due to the Beatles they've since made a bunch more.  

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4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I've never done the exercise, but I find it astounding that, were I to try to name my 10 favorite Beatles songs, George Harrison would get two nods ("Here Comes The Sun" and "Something").  I mean, to crack the rare air occupied by Paul McCartney and John Lennon is just nuts.  That band was so ridiculously talented as songwriters.  Pretty damn fine players, too.

He gets three for me (While My Guitar Gently Weeps).  

Pretty wild that the third best songwriter in the band wrote those three.

I've got a friend who is a huge Beatles fan, and has a graduate degree from UT/Butler School of Music (partly due to him being a huge fan of the Beatles), who will argue up and down that another actual album or two would have seen Harrison completely on par with McCartney and Lennon.  And he makes a good case that Harrison produced a better solo album than either Lennon or McCartney.

 

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45 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He gets three for me (While My Guitar Gently Weeps).  

Yeah, I get that.  Doesn't work for me, but I get it.

Now imagine the completely defensible position that George Harrison wrote FOUR of the top 10 Beatles songs:  "Something", "Here Comes The Sun", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and "Taxman".

Jeebus.  Again, not my opinion, but I sure wouldn't argue with anyone who thought differently.

[Chad Fuck 17662]

48 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He gets three for me (While My Guitar Gently Weeps).  

Pretty wild that the third best songwriter in the band wrote those three.

I've got a friend who is a huge Beatles fan, and has a graduate degree from UT/Butler School of Music (partly due to him being a huge fan of the Beatles), who will argue up and down that another actual album or two would have seen Harrison completely on par with McCartney and Lennon.  And he makes a good case that Harrison produced a better solo album than either Lennon or McCartney.

 

Well, George had so much material saved up that wasn't getting used.  Keep in mind his first solo effort was a triple record.  

By the way, I think "Old Brown Shoe" is a sleeper that doesn't get enough credit.  Maybe not in a top 10 list, but damn, that song is a straight riff-rocker.  I love playing the solo on it too.  Way quirky.  

There's a great book that's well worth reading for any Beatles fan, "You Never Give Me Your Money."  It's basically about the Beatles post-Beatles, especially all the legal back and forth, but there's an anecdote in there about how George would make "Beatles" mix tapes from selections from the former Beatles solo work.  I'd love to have heard what he picked out.  Just based on the best tracks of their solo work, and the mediocrity of the filler, I think there's a fair argument they could've kept right on at the top for as long as they wanted.  Alas, that's only for musing over rum and cokes (the official Beatle drink).  Which I will be doing at a watch party for the first two on Friday.  

[Gil Bang 25922]

A bunch of motherfuckers from LIverpool drink Rum and Cokes?  I call bullshit. 

[mdleast 8289]

Just watched the 60 Minutes segment I had recorded on Sunday and can’t wait for this! Really interesting and surprising learning that Peter Jackson’s reaction after watching the footage was that it was much more harmonious of a time than we had always heard (and, apparently, that Paul and Ringo had remembered).

I’m also one who would LOVE this treatment and footage to have been afforded to Abbey Road.

[Chad Fuck 17662]

A bunch of motherfuckers from LIverpool drink Rum and Cokes?  I call bullshit. 

Ringo talks about rum, scotch and coke being Beatles drinks in the Anthology. That stuck with me for some reason.

I think he was referring to the early days, but since I’ve always noticed coke bottles often being in casual pics of those days. In the trailer I saw John clearly drinking a glass of white wine, and in the studio pics there are often bottles of wine, etc around.

Am I saying that’s all they drank? No. But it was said. And anyhow, it also sounds like something fun to use for a Beatle themed party.

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19 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

By the way, I think "Old Brown Shoe" is a sleeper that doesn't get enough credit.  Maybe not in a top 10 list, but damn, that song is a straight riff-rocker.  I love playing the solo on it too.  Way quirky.  

Do you have a YouTube channel?  Is this you?  How ya doin?

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39 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Do you have a YouTube channel?  Is this you?  How ya doin?

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This is closer.  But not really close.

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On 11/22/2021 at 6:48 PM, Gil Bang said:

That Tele is so fucking beautiful

Running through this thread listening to tunes again and came across this post.  The Reverb version of the story of George's Tele:

https://reverb.com/news/the-story-behind-george-harrisons-rosewood-telecaster

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18 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Running through this thread listening to tunes again and came across this post.  The Reverb version of the story of George's Tele:

https://reverb.com/news/the-story-behind-george-harrisons-rosewood-telecaster

Just in case you were further interested:

https://reverb.com/p/fender-rosewood-telecaster-1968-1972

 

[dcbc 14465]

Those rosewood teles are very bright sounding, pickup choices notwithstanding.  Somehow that's weird because of the dark color of the rosewood.

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[jimmyjazz 45895]

Billy Fucking Preston.  He should be the 5th Beatle.  Engineers & producers are more like the HR staff.

[Gil Bang 25922]

22 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Billy Fucking Preston.  He should be the 5th Beatle.  Engineers & producers are more like the HR staff.

He was such a huge talent and a cool mofo. 

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Anybody know what book Yoko is reading at 29 seconds?

the Beatles complete works/words/wedding?

[dcbc 14465]

Don't Let me Down is such a killer song.  Actually, all the rooftop songs are killer.

[DougO 5243]

On 11/23/2021 at 4:57 PM, Gil Bang said:

A bunch of motherfuckers from LIverpool drink Rum and Cokes?  I call bullshit. 

I read that it was actually Scotch and Coke.

Just for that reason I tried it one time. It's horrible.

[DougO 5243]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Billy Fucking Preston.  He should be the 5th Beatle.  Engineers & producers are more like the HR staff.

George actually played some piano on Beatles records, too. And he's just a cool mofo.

[jimmyjazz 45895]

1 minute ago, DougO said:

I read that it was actually Scotch and Coke.

Just for that reason I tried it one time. It's horrible.

Yeah, Jack & Coke is bad enough.  Scotch and Coke?  Oy.

[0xdeadbeef 1646]

I give it Two three thumbs up. 

The first part went live at 2AM (Austin time) last night, so I decided to stay up and just watch the first few minutes to get a feel for it.   

I couldn't look away...and it was 2.5 hours.  I didn't get to bed until 5AM, and company comes over in a few hours.   I regret nothing.

For non-fans, like my wife and kids, it would probably be boring as hell, but for the millions, like me, who know every f-ing song, it was fascinating.  

The whole show is based on their rehearsal sessions when they were trying to come up with new songs for a Live TV Special/New Album/Background Documentary.  They would be just screwing around and suddenly one of them would drop the chord progression to some masterpiece.   George came in one morning and was like Hey Ringo, check out the song I wrote last night... he plays  I, me, mine.  

The biggest thing I learned from part 1 was that George could be a passive aggressive asshole.

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5 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

The biggest thing I learned from part 1 was that George could be a passive aggressive asshole.

Yeah. He didn’t like that Paul was taking the reins. Paul was not being an asshole but actually quite diplomatic. He simply recognized that a lot had to be done in a short period of time. 

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4 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

The biggest thing I learned from part 1 was that George could be a passive aggressive asshole.

George had a lot of shit going on in his personal life at that time, and his health seems to reflect it.

Edit: and I think he knew he was coming into his own at that point.

Also, I was up at 2am with one of the kids, decided to put it on, and lost 45 minutes of sleep to it (I somehow pulled myself away).

Fucking amazing from the 45 minutes I saw, just the whole "fly on a wall" thing.

Edited November 25, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[Scooter Monzingo 820]

I just like seeing all that film I have never seen before. The quality is far better than I expected.

[Hornius Emeritus 12454]

Holy crap. Yoko is just like a big, black, ugly, vulturous  presence hanging over the whole proceedings. Were I the other Beatles I'd have been so pissed. John was so co-dependent on her that she just HAD to be in every little group session, just two feet away from him at all times.  Watching this just hacked me off.  

You and three other guys built this incredible rocket ship that nobody has ever built and that even in the 50 years since nobody has ever matched and now one of the four wants to bring in this silent 5th wheel that does absolutely nothing, that adds nothing.  

I can't explain why watching this makes me so sad and so angry at the same time. 

[DougO 5243]

...shit wrong thread.

Edited November 26, 2021 by DougO

[TonyTexas 10508]

While there there can be little doubt that Yoko’s constant presence was a contributing factor in the Beatle’s dissolution, there also can be little doubt that she was John’s muse and a driving force in some of his best work. 

[AnotherUTFan 9730]

The way I see it, John Lennon could have had juat about any woman he wanted and he wanted Yoko. He loved her and he loved her more than he loved the Beatles. He was with her until the day he died. Its a love story. John didn't owe me, you, Ringo, Paul, or George anything. It was his life to do with as he pleased. Im grateful for the music he left behind. He obviously had a lot of dark shit to work out, I like to think she was good for him.

[tbone_ 14113]

^this. Human dynamics are fluid. The heat wants what the heart wants.

Just glad we got what we got.

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Weird seeing them work on All Things Must Pass.

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Love how it’s a documentary but nobody is talking over it and they aren’t  breaking away to commentators or whoever discussing what we are seeing.  

[billfromlaketravis 11448]

Ringo left for 2 weeks while they were recording The White Album. 
 

George left for 10 days while they were recording Let It Be. 
 

John saw the writing on the wall and wanted to pursue projects outside of the band and Yoko got caught in the crossfire. This is on John and the band’s PR teams. 
 

Paul is probably the only Beatle that wanted to stay in the band. Paul liked being in a band. He formed Wings within a year after The Beatles broke up. 
 

A lot of ugly shot has been written/said about Yoko and the rumors have become the authoritative history. On a person to person level, this sucks for her and their children. That said, I don’t have to like her and I’m entitled to my opinion that she was a f***ing space cadet. 
 

The world was lucky to get Abbey Road, Let It Be, and the rooftop concert. The band was broken up a month when they filmed/recorded Let It Be, and it all could ended in 1968. According to multiple interviews “you could hear the band breaking up during The White Album.”
 

I’m looking forward to watching all 7 hours and 48 minutes of this documentary. 

[4th&Five 41520]

Planning on starting episode 2 around 11. Glad nothing else is going on today that matters. 

[AnotherUTFan 9730]

I finished ep 1 and began ep 2 last night. Fascinating. Incredible that this exists.

There's audio of a conversation between John and Paul that they didn't know was being recorded. In it John is telling Paul that he pushes too hard as the reason George left. Its not confrontational at all, Paul's totally receptive to what he's being told. Just 2 very old friends having a conversation.

Earlier in ep 1 Paul talked about how big the loss of Epstien was. He says something like, "We didn't know what to do. He said put on the suits, so we put on the suits. We haven't had anyone to tell us since."

Another conversation about the decline in collaboration writing was Paul & John. Paul says they wrote together alot cause they were always together touring. When the touring stopped, they just weren't together to write often.

John seems very happy in all the film so. He's having more fun than any of them.

Oh, and at 1:29:25 of ep 1 George's Les Paul falls off a table. Im still having heart palpitations.

[4th&Five 41520]

On 11/23/2021 at 4:57 PM, Gil Bang said:

A bunch of motherfuckers from LIverpool drink Rum and Cokes?  I call bullshit. 

In ep. 2 George is mixing J&B and Dr. Pepper for everyone. 

Edited November 26, 2021 by 4th&Five

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15 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Paul is probably the only Beatle that wanted to stay in the band. Paul liked being in a band. He formed Wings within a year after The Beatles broke up. 

After watching the first episode, John seemed to be the only one happy to be there with everybody.  Of course, Paul seemed to be under a lot more pressure - he stepped up with Epstein having died.  And George had a lot of personal shit going on.

15 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

 That said, I don’t have to like her and I’m entitled to my opinion that she was a f***ing space cadet. 

Yeah, she was nutty, and I've thought it was bullshit that she didn't know who the Beatles were - she was moving in the same circles.

But I don't blame her for the breakup - in the first episode, I think all of them made cracks about the band breaking up, or "divorcing the band" or something to that nature, and as you mentioned, Ringo of all people had bailed on them the year before.  Hell, there was a reason they had stopped touring a few years before.

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2 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

Earlier in ep 1 Paul talked about how big the loss of Epstien was. He says something like, "We didn't know what to do. He said put on the suits, so we put on the suits. We haven't had anyone to tell us since."

I thought it was very insightful what Paul was saying about the impact upon the band when Epstein died.  Very self-aware of him to tell the others his thoughts on it.

2 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

John seems very happy in all the film so. He's having more fun than any of them.

Yeah, I was kind of expecting him to have one foot out the door during the filming of this, but he seemed to be happiest.  Even Ringo seemed like he wasn't sure if he wanted to be there.

Meanwhile, George's Hare Krishna buddies were weirder than Yoko, and that's saying something.

2 hours ago, AnotherUTFan said:

Oh, and at 1:29:25 of ep 1 George's Les Paul falls off a table. Im still having heart palpitations.

[tigol 2395]

I've just about finished episode 1 and it is not doing my anxiety any favors for all of the reasons posted above.

Their creative process is madness and it is completely clear Epstein's presence was sorely missed.  

[0xdeadbeef 1646]

Episode 2 started to drag quite a bit and really needed a more little editing (IMHO).  Two night in a row I've stayed up to watch these things...I think I'll sleep tonight and catch  Ep 3. tomorrow.

 

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1 hour ago, tigol said:

Their creative process is madness and it is completely clear Epstein's presence was sorely missed.  

That and they are under the gun with a ridiculously short amount of time.

It's irritating, because it's The Fucking Beatles.  They could have given themselves a few extra weeks, and it may have even been their company that was shooting the movie that was creating the deadline for them to be finished.  It's a fucking gimmick and I wonder if Epstein would have either agreed to it, or would have given them extra time in the calendar.  That felt very forced.

But still loving the whole fly-on-the-wall thing.

[DougO 5243]

Reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. Yet I have a couple of Beatlemaniac friends that were really disappointed, said they had a hard time getting through it. Now I'm wondering if the watched the original Let It Be movie by mistake.

I don't know when I will watch it. I wish they would announce a hard copy media release. I may have to just wait...or if nothing else stoop to nefarious means in order to get a copy.

[mdleast 8289]

Watching the first episode and it’s crazy how in this short time period they’re practicing/creating the songs for Let It Be but there also so many Abbey Road and even some of their later solo songs being thrown into the mix, along with gobs of cover songs. How the hell did they focus in to cobble together Let It Be?

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46 minutes ago, mdleast said:

Watching the first episode and it’s crazy how in this short time period they’re practicing/creating the songs for Let It Be but there also so many Abbey Road and even some of their later solo songs being thrown into the mix, along with gobs of cover songs. How the hell did they focus in to cobble together Let It Be?

This is probably why Paul was lamenting the loss of Epstein.  What we are seeing was not organized/managed well, hence Paul really stepping up.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

I’m 90 minutes into the first one and I think they are creative magical chaos. I’m fascinated. Shits going on all over the place between the 4 as well as with that director and Martin and others in the sound stage. They have troubles, they play some old stuff and some covers and then out of nowhere get back starts to form. And then out of nowhere don’t let me down takes shape. And out of nowhere i me mine gets onboarded because George was watching tv. 
 

also the way John and yoko look at each other jumps off the screen. Those two were madly in love. 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Pato del Muerto

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5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

also the way John and yoko look at each other jumps off the screen. Those two were madly in love. 

There was one point where John sang the "I'm in love for the first time" and he was looking right at Yoko.

I don't care for her, but yeah, he had a thing for her.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

There was one point where John sang the "I'm in love for the first time" and he was looking right at Yoko.

I don't care for her, but yeah, he had a thing for her.

There was a shot of her basically gasping when he sang “don’t let me down” in the raspy scream. 

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50 minutes ago, DougO said:

Reviews have been overwhelmingly positive. Yet I have a couple of Beatlemaniac friends that were really disappointed, said they had a hard time getting through it. Now I'm wondering if the watched the original Let It Be movie by mistake.

I have a high school friend who is a use Beatlemaniac type - he's seriously been into them for 30+ years that I know of - he was pushing them in the 80s when the rest of us were into Pink Floyd and sliding into metal/hair metal/etc. or headed into Beastie Boys/etc. territory.  His mom saw them in person at one of their American concerts and they were basically always on when he was a little kid.  He has all of the special edition super fantastic boxed sets, knows who worked on what albums, could tell you whether John or Paul wrote which song credited to both of them, etc. and how the Glyn Johns stuff was better than other releases, etc.  

He's not that enthused about it, and we had a long conversation on Facebook about it after he watched the 2nd episode.  For reference, I asked about the book Yoko Ono was reading, and he opened up the video chat on Messenger and showed me his copy of the same book.  My main takeaways on his dislikes:

1. It's by far the worst of their albums as far as he's concerned, and he's just not that interested in seeing a lot of the stuff about the album. 
2. It should have been dropped as a whole and some of the music folded into Abbey Road or into their later solo efforts, and Abbey Road should have been their final album. "Abbey Road  was a proper album would have been the best album to end the band on."
3. He did't like seeing them arguing with one another or withdrawing from one another. I joked that "you just didn't like seeing mom and dad fight in public" and then I remembered his parents divorced when he was young.  Ooops.  He already knew about their arguments, problems, etc. from his years of reading about them, watching interviews, etc.and he felt that stuff shouldn't have been seen by the public and somehow tarnished their image.
4. In general, he didn't like that at times it seemed to reduce them to just four guys in a band arguing over stupid shit, fucking with each other (he cited John fucking around with George over I think I, Me, Mine when George was clearly struggling with some things, as one instance), and just goofing off, etc.   I think he's putting them on too much of a pedestal (they deserve to be on a pedestal, but he seems to think they have to be presented as perfect).  

But that's one guy, and it's tied into his childhood and is something he has really been into for 30+ years.  And he has a massive collection of all kinds of recordings, bootlegs, conversations and rehearsals between them, etc., and all it did was put photos/film to what he has known for years.

That's not all Beatlemaniac types, but I do think there is a bit of snobbery too - there is plenty of pretty eye-opening stuff for more casual fans, whether it was the tension or how they could work out songs, that people like him spent a lot of time reading up on, tracking down and collecting audio/rehearsal bootlegs, endlessly discussing this stuff on various websites, etc. and it's just thrown out there for the masses to consume and learn all of this stuff in 8 hours or less.

Kind of like if somebody put together an 8-hour history of porn on VHS from the 1980s - 1990s, I would be bored as there would be very little I wouldn't already know.

 

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TLDR: I think he was being protective of their image and didn't feel like it would leave a really positive image of their legacy among casual fans, versus if this had covered Abbey Road or something else.

[0xdeadbeef 1646]

speaking of Yoko, there was a scene in the 1st and 2nd episodes where John and Paul are playing and yoko is at the mic and is just screeching/screaming.   Worst 30 seconds of 'music' I've ever heard in my life.