2020 - 2021 Dallas Mavericks: That motherfu*ker in Dallas is coming

[TommyGufano 6021]

7 minutes ago, Llogg said:

I assumed this was hyperbole but then I started trying to come up with 5 better and couldn't. I still got LBJ and Corpsemelo above him in the post. You have to put Jokic above him. But then who? Sabonis?

Embiid, Zion, AD

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

I feel like luka has had a 20 reb triple double this season or last as well. 
 

wonder what the list of guys that have had a triple double with at least 20 in 3 categories (I’d say all 3 but I guess it’s possible someone had 20 steals or blocks)

hell I wonder what the list of guys that have ever had 20 rebounds in a game as well as 20 assists in a game looks like. 

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

12 hours ago, CBT said:

31/12/20 for the kid. He’s aight.

Oh and 1 turnover. 20:1 ratio. Is that good?

[RexWilson 1346]

Saw some crazy stats about how well DFS has been shooting the ball in the 22 games since having a kid. 47% from 3 and a crazy high eFG%.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

10 hours ago, conVINCEd said:

The list of people who have done it is relatively short.  It’s like 5 people if the Mavs broadcasters are to be believed.

Big O

magic

russ

luka

 

eta: I think that’s 20 assist specific. May be others with 20 reb. Surprised wilt isn’t on the list, I know he had a 20/20/20 game. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Pato del Muerto

[SilasCoade 2622]

20 minutes ago, TommyGufano said:

Embiid, Zion, AD

Zion's post game is nothing to get excited about. He's huge but his game is not really built on that low post, back to the basket skillset. Embiid is a good one. AD is phenomenal but I'm not sure his back to the basket game is that developed.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Players in nba history with 30 or more points, 20 or more assists, and 1 or fewer turnovers in a game:

1. luka doncic

Edited May 2, 2021 by Pato del Muerto

[TommyGufano 6021]

2 minutes ago, Llogg said:

Zion's post game is nothing to get excited about. He's huge but his game is not really built on that low post, back to the basket skillset. Embiid is a good one. AD is phenomenal but I'm not sure his back to the basket game is that developed.

I suppose we may have different definitions of what constitutes a post up. If a guy catches it in low/mid post and then faces up, his back isn't to the basket but I'm still counting that as a post up, which is where Zion makes hay. 

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up/?sort=POSS&dir=1

I guess here's some data on all discussed. IDK what the exact definition of a post up is that goes into this. And it appears to only count possessions where the player posting up takes a shot or turns it over, which seems dumb. Assists should be cooked into that number as well.

[SilasCoade 2622]

45 minutes ago, TommyGufano said:

I suppose we may have different definitions of what constitutes a post up. If a guy catches it in low/mid post and then faces up, his back isn't to the basket but I'm still counting that as a post up, which is where Zion makes hay. 

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/playtype-post-up/?sort=POSS&dir=1

I guess here's some data on all discussed. IDK what the exact definition of a post up is that goes into this. And it appears to only count possessions where the player posting up takes a shot or turns it over, which seems dumb. Assists should be cooked into that number as well.

 

Pretty sure my "back to the basket" definition is the more widely accepted usage. Facing up in the post area is not really a different skillset from doing so from the wing or point position.

https://www.sportslingo.com/sports-glossary/p/post-up/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms#P

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Everyone faces the basket at some point to shoot it. I don’t see many shots taken back to basket. 

[TommyGufano 6021]

1 hour ago, Llogg said:

 

Pretty sure my "back to the basket" definition is the more widely accepted usage. Facing up in the post area is not really a different skillset from doing so from the wing or point position.

https://www.sportslingo.com/sports-glossary/p/post-up/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms#P

Maybe I'm missing something, but those definitions seem to just deal with where/how you're positioned when you catch the ball. They're inclusive of a Zion face up rip through/ jab step etc and exclusive of other plays like, for instance, catching the ball on the wing or point position.

[SilasCoade 2622]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Everyone faces the basket at some point to shoot it. I don’t see many shots taken back to basket. 

But you do see plenty of shots in which the shooting motion is initiated with the back to the basket. That's the entirety of turnaround jumper, a drop step dunk, or a baby hook. If you face up and then make a move to get your shot started you are no longer posting up, you are facing up. It's literally the opposite thing.

[gsoda3 3253]

I would throw in vucevic.

[gsoda3 3253]

Also only half jokingly boban.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

So if you go down in the key and the defender fronts you, so the pass is lobbed in over both of you for you to receive facing the basket with your defender on your back, did you post up?  Is that a post play?

[conVINCEd 21469]

Didn’t realize I was starting The Great Post Up Debate.

[conVINCEd 21469]

4 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Sorry; I get into it because I’m a former post player. And my 11-year old son is on a really good hoops team. Our coach is great at teaching players of all sizes every fundamental. My son is a guard/forward but tough enough to run the short corner against zone. Every big man they have can handle the ball reasonably well and break a press. Very useful skills for this age. Nobody knows a damn thing about playing with their back to the basket, and I suspect that’s part age and part change in the game. 

I like good post play.  My IM team at Texas had a starting 5 that was 6-2, 6-4, 6-4, 6-5, 6-8.  I was the short guy, but the best post player, and I would normally have a midget guarding me.  We started every game with me in the post until they stopped it.  Once they started switching it became a game of whack a mole.  We just bludgeoned people to death.

[cmontexas 3270]

 

[Trey3216 15345]

20 hours ago, RexWilson said:

Do not play down to the Kings. Need to keep the good vibes going.

You mean like the last 2 times 

[conVINCEd 21469]

5 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Our boys play AAU ball and I’ve never seen anyone throw a post move out. Most of that is age, though. It’s fast break chaos and some zone offense where we’ll play a 2-man high post and short corner game. I suspect the post play will come more in the middle school years. 

No one with a size advantage will just back a guy down?  Not saying that should be the focus of the offense, but use it like Luka does.  If he has a mismatch he just backs them down and overpowers them.

[RexWilson 1346]

We are losing to the Kings at the half. Why the fuck have we struggled against them this year blows my mind.

For low post play, besides location I think the key element is receiving the ball with your back to the basket. You can reverse pivot out and hit the short jumper and I still consider it a post move because of the initial position. Compared to I cut baseline and receive the pass into a layup is not a post move.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Gonna get swept by the Kings

[Trey3216 15345]

9 mins left in the game

 

Luka is + 9 in 28 mins

Bobi is + 15 in 9 mins

JJ Redick + 15 in 11 min 

 

The rest of the roster......

[bluto 4915]

Swept by the Effin kings. Unreal but totally on brand

[Machinator 32099]

 

[gsoda3 3253]

only caught the last 7 minutes.  luka's last tech was strange.  the mavs broke their huddle and luka started walking towards the scorer table without saying anything and the ref came at him from the side and pointed at him saying he was ejected.  luka literally hadn't opened his mouth since they broke the team huddle. 

 

anyway, 64 points for the kings in the paint.  dismal from beyond the arc.  i love dodo, but the last 7 minutes running PnR with dodo and luka ain't gonna cut it. 

[CBT 1282]

That might have been the worst officiated regular season game I’ve ever seen.

[Party_Taco 3723]

There’s that, and the game plan / set plays were dogshit. Just zeroooo adjustments from the coaches as we continued to chuck the ball from deep. Once Boban finally made an appearance he did exactly as one would expect, only to see the bench shortly thereafter.

The lack of pnr from Powell tonight was also frustrating. Basically, terrible coaching, worse shooting, abysmal officiating going both ways and Sac getting every bounce. That’s a loss 10-10 times.

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Still the 5th seed after the Lakers loss. Easier schedule the rest of the way though I guess for this bunch it’s actually harder. 

[TommyGufano 6021]

10 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

only caught the last 7 minutes.  luka's last tech was strange.  the mavs broke their huddle and luka started walking towards the scorer table without saying anything and the ref came at him from the side and pointed at him saying he was ejected.  luka literally hadn't opened his mouth since they broke the team huddle. 

 

anyway, 64 points for the kings in the paint.  dismal from beyond the arc.  i love dodo, but the last 7 minutes running PnR with dodo and luka ain't gonna cut it. 

Did a little internet sleuthing... The T was for chucking the ball the length of the court before the timeout. I guess Luka didn't realize it had been assessed so as he's walking back onto the court it was "hey, you're supposed to be kicked out" not "we're giving you a T for walking to the scorers table"

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Maybe but refs are clearly sick of Luka whining. 

As opposed to lebron whining, or in the past Duncan whining?  

[CBT 1282]

34 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Maybe but refs are clearly sick of Luka whining. 

I'm sure they are, but the techs were all warranted. (except for the second tech on Luka, where he literally didn't do anything.)

 

edit: This is assuming Rick deserved his, but given the game he probably did. BUT, all of Rick's techs this year have come from the same ref. So, make of that what you will.

Edited May 3, 2021 by CBT

[Vic Mackey 47012]

 

[CBT 1282]

That's fucking hilarious. The missed goaltend last night was comically bad. The fact they didn't go review it was just lazy.

[threesheets 1672]

2 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Maybe but refs are clearly sick of Luka whining. 

They should try to give him less shit to bitch about.  

 

[gsoda3 3253]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

 

this guy.  

 

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On January 12, 2007, Mott was suspended for three games after making obscene gestures and using obscenities toward fans during a game

 

 

[LurkingHorn 1066]

Back to the 6th seed with the Portland loss last night. Tonight is going to be tough. Miami is also playing to avoid the play-in. 

[TxTower 650]

But they’re not the Kings so we have a chance.


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[Pato del Muerto 52487]

21 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Dude. I love Luka. But it’s excessive and he looks like a giant baby. Don’t be a homer. 

Let’s file both under ‘needs improvement’

[gyroprotagonist 2592]

yeah, i am over caring about Luka crying to the refs all the time.  if he misses a playoff game from techs it's a problem.  otherwise, it's part of the package.  Mavs fans, opposing fans, broadcasters complaining about it.  WGAF? 

I would be pissed to if this was what it was like at my job with no help

[idigTexas 2284]

Luka may already be more skilled than prime Dirk, but I'm not sure that he will ever come close in likeability.  Maybe it's a generational thing, but the whining doesn't help.  That said, I'm really glad he's a Mav, and I hope he stays one his entire career. 

[Henry Hill 3156]

15 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

Luka may already be more skilled than prime Dirk, but I'm not sure that he will ever come close in likeability.  Maybe it's a generational thing, but the whining doesn't help.  That said, I'm really glad he's a Mav, and I hope he stays one his entire career. 

No arguing there. Even Boban is more likable.

[conVINCEd 21469]

3 minutes ago, Henry Hill said:

No arguing there. Even Boban is more likable.

Boban is more likable than anyone who has ever played in the nba.

[staboner 4969]

41 minutes ago, idigTexas said:

Luka may already be more skilled than prime Dirk, but I'm not sure that he will ever come close in likeability.  Maybe it's a generational thing, but the whining doesn't help.  That said, I'm really glad he's a Mav, and I hope he stays one his entire career. 

was going to come and post the same thing. would love to watch more of the NBA for players like luka who are changing the narrative to being even more international with different skill sets. but damn the dude is a bit of a bitch out there. 

certainly is generational a bit as well. lots of flailing, complaining, and even recently i have seen players get pissed at refs and charge them? wtf? league needs to get some of this under control IMO. makes for a bad product (at least to me)

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

22 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Boban is more likable than anyone who has ever played in the nba.

Or haven’t played in the nba

[RexWilson 1346]

We have the good THJ tonight 

[Party_Taco 3723]

Absolutely LOVE the energy tonight - BDE on full display

[conVINCEd 21469]

Green’s floor is a really solid rotation guy.

[Post Oak 20209]

23 minutes ago, RexWilson said:

We have the good THJ tonight 

I'm all in on THJ.  While he's not untouchable I hope he plays the next 5 years for Dallas.  Big Jet Energy.  Plus he seems like a great teammate.  He can play for me any day.

[CBT 1282]

Lol at all the Knicks fans that said two 1st round picks was too much for THJ