Jimbo 2020: Strangers with Candi

Fud · October 21, 2019

8 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Pryor walked without options? When

Fud · October 21, 2019

11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Paul walked as well?

https://247sports.com/college/texas-am/Article/Roshauud-Paul-Texas-AM-football-redshirt-2019-season-136349408/

Preston hasn’t portalled, but one of the Manvel package deal kids, Deneric Prince, has done so, and Preston hasn’t really seen the field

A&M has to have a lot of attrition if Jimbo takes a full class, like he’s has said he will

Fud · October 21, 2019

Thing about Texas taking Shepherd vs A&M landing him as a transfer is for Texas, he was a luxury take, while A&M will be counting on him to be their left tackle in 2021

lemonandaturd · October 21, 2019

East Texas playas should remember this. Jimbo just ran off Larry Pryor and Roney Elam. Jimbo has got to screw some dudes out of scholarships to make room for his next big paycheck. Newton says fuck aggy.

Vertigo · October 21, 2019

51 minutes ago, Fud said:

Thing about Texas taking Shepherd vs A&M landing him as a transfer is for Texas, he was a luxury take, while A&M will be counting on him to be their left tackle in 2021

I think it was reasonable to assume he would be in the running for left tackle here in 2021, or at least getting solid playing time.

Bevo · October 21, 2019

2 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I think it was reasonable to assume he would be in the running for left tackle here in 2021, or at least getting solid playing time.

Who knows? He also might be riding the pine behind Hookfin and Johnson and the older guys.

Fud · October 21, 2019

17 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

I think it was reasonable to assume he would be in the running for left tackle here in 2021, or at least getting solid playing time.

There was a lot of competition for that spot; Jokes, Moore, Hookfin, Johnson, Garth, Karic, Brockermeyer, etc

I would have been surprised if he started at left tackle

texasstrong12 · October 22, 2019

8 hours ago, texifornia said:

Plumlee's a fabulous runner with no arm. Corral has a cannon but is really erratic. There's an ok argument for it.

All Ole Miss had to do in this game is fall on the ball and they would have won. A&M scored 7 points on a fumble. A&M's offense only scored 17 points and another 7 points came off great field position.

This is why even bad teams like Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss, and South Carolina all have a shot to beat A&M. A&M's offense can't score. The Auburn gameplan of being very conservative on offense to limit turnovers is how you beat them. Just don't give them points from turnovers/bad field position and A&M can't score.

Edited October 22, 2019 by texasstrong12

Beau Vine · October 22, 2019

whatthehey78

In reply to W • 5:07p

AG

W said:
another 4-star Texas high school defensive back --- not SEC caliber.

there have been a bunch of them come through Aggieland in the past 7 years

IMHO...Texas HS Def players are over rated. Typically avoid contact and play soft. If you're paying attention, Jimbo is recruiting out-of-state players.

Doc Reeves · October 22, 2019

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

whatthehey78
In reply to W • 5:07p

AG

W said:
another 4-star Texas high school defensive back --- not SEC caliber.

there have been a bunch of them come through Aggieland in the past 7 years
IMHO...Texas HS Def players are over rated. Typically avoid contact and play soft. If you're paying attention, Jimbo is recruiting out-of-state players.

TexasMan · October 22, 2019

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No matter what happens, Texas A&M and Fisher are stuck with each other for at least the next handful of years. Maybe that will be a good thing if Fisher starts beating Alabama and LSU regularly and contending for the SEC championship. But for now, that contract makes Fisher look massively overpaid.

He’s not the only one, though. Given the constant churn of the coaching carousel, the short supply of proven winners out there to hire and the pressure on administrators to keep successful coaches, plenty of schools are getting taken to the cleaners in contract negotiations these days. Here are the eight worst contracts this year in college football, :

Jimbo Fisher is in his second season as head coach at Texas A&M after leading Florida State for eight years.

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1. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M

Total 2019 compensation: $7.5 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2027

Buyout: $60.6 million

Why the school paid so much: Since joining the SEC in 2012, Texas A&M’s answer to every problem has been to throw money at it. So when it was time to jettison Kevin Sumlin, who earned a hefty $10.4 million buyout himself with no offset provision if he took a new job, the Aggies were going to do whatever it took to get a coach with “national champion” on his résumé. And, clearly, it took a lot. For Texas A&M, though, just being able to pull Fisher away from a blueblood program in Florida State was an achievement in and of itself for a school that enjoys genuflecting in its financial strength as much as it does winning on the field.

Why it’s a bad contract: Massively overrated to start this season, Texas A&M will finish 7-5 if its remaining games go as expected. That means Fisher’s first two years won’t be much different record-wise than Sumlin’s final two. Though recruiting has gone well for Fisher, there’s a legitimate question about whether his best days as an offensive innovator/quarterback guru are behind him. When you look at the evolution of programs like Alabama and LSU, Fisher’s pro style system looks like a relic and relies heavily on a complicated playbook that not all quarterbacks can handle. As we saw late in his tenure at Florida State and early this season, Fisher’s offense falls apart without a great offensive line. If Fisher can’t evolve the way other top programs have, Texas A&M will be paying an above-market rate mostly for the national championship he won with another school.

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Coach Dana Holgorsen had a 61-41 record in eight seasons at West Virginian before moving to Houston this season.

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2. Dana Holgorsen, Houston

Total 2019 compensation: $3.7 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2023

Buyout: $13.2 million

Why the school paid so much: Few institutions in all of college sports have a higher hubris-to-accomplishment ratio than Houston. The Cougars think they belong in a Power Five league and the way to get there is dominating the American Athletic Conference, no matter how unrealistic that might be. So when the school dumped Major Applewhite after just two seasons, the Cougars and megabooster Tilman Fertitta were determined to spend big on a splashy hire — and what better way to grab headlines than pulling a coach away from a Power Five school? Though Holgorsen wanted out of West Virginia badly, landing a 5-year, $20 million contract in a city he likes living in is a pretty nice soft landing.

Why it’s a bad contract: It seems highly unlikely Holgorsen will ever take the Cougars where they want to go. Though Houston has good recruiting geography and attractive facilities, it’s not going to consistently recruit like a Power Five team unless or until it’s in a Power Five league. That means it’s going to be hard to create a real talent gap with the rest of the AAC, which has a number of strong programs including UCF, Memphis, Temple and Navy. Holgorsen is a good coach with a solid track record, but he’s never finished a season higher than ranked No. 17. And for all the talk about Houston’s potential, it’s only won two conference titles in the past 20 years. That doesn’t sound like a combination primed to live up to a contract that busted the market for Group of Five teams.

Willie Taggart had head coaching stops at Western Kentucky, South Florida and Oregon before moving to Florida State in 2018.

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3. Willie Taggart, Florida State

Total 2019 compensation: $5 million

Contract end date: Jan 31, 2024

Buyout: $17.7 million

Why the school paid so much: When Fisher left for Texas A&M, Taggart seemed like the obvious choice to replace him. Taggart had turned around two smaller programs at Western Kentucky and South Florida, and particularly in Tampa had shown a strong ability to recruit in the talent-rich I-4 corridor. The problem was that Taggart already had a good job at Oregon, and no matter how badly he wanted to return to his home state, he wasn’t going to leave after one year without getting a significant raise. With Oregon reportedly offering around $4 million a year to stay, Florida State had no choice but to pony up.

Why it’s a bad contract: The Taggart era has been a major disappointment, and this already looks like a situation where the school would consider moving on if not for the massive buyout he’s owed. Though many of the early problems can be traced to roster erosion in Fisher’s final years, the Seminoles missed a bowl game last season for the first time since 1981 and have looked unprepared and poorly coached on several occasions. Though wins over Louisville and N.C. State recently seemed like a step forward, Florida State got humiliated by Clemson 45-14 on Oct. 12, showing how big the gap remains. Taggart also hasn't exactly set the world on fire in recruiting, which seemed like a given when he got the job.

Before becoming coach at Michigan, Jim Harbaugh had a four-year stint at Stanford where he went 29-21, including 12-1 in 2010.

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4. Jim Harbaugh, Michigan

Total 2019 compensation: $7.5 million

Contract end date: Jan. 10, 2022

Buyout: $11.688 million

Why the school paid so much: It’s hard to remember now, but most people outside of Michigan were skeptical that Harbaugh would even be willing to return to college football in 2014 given how successful he’d been in the NFL. That’s why a desperate Michigan couldn’t mess around and go cheap. In order to make a real run at Harbaugh, there was no choice but to offer a landmark contract. Now, however, that deal has just two seasons remaining on it, which is almost unheard of in big-time college sports. It will be interesting to see if either side seriously engages on an extension and what that might look like, given the underwhelming results so far.

Why it’s a bad contract: Though Harbaugh has been far from a disaster, there was no ambiguity about the expectations when he took the job. And those expectations have not been met. The reason you pay a coach $7.5 million a year is to contend for national titles, win conference titles and beat your biggest rivals. Five years in, Harbaugh hasn’t done any of that, although he came awful close in 2016. Had one spot of a football changed by two inches against Ohio State that year, Harbaugh might have won the Big Ten and been in the College Football Playoff. But without those signature wins, it’s hard to justify the contract.

Kirby Smart went 13-2 in his second season at Georgia, losing in the College Football Playoff finale.

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5. Kirby Smart, Georgia

Total 2019 compensation: $6.87 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2024

Buyout: $24.24 million

Why the school paid so much: Smart’s contract has changed significantly in a relatively short period of time. When he was initially hired as a first-time head coach, Smart’s deal with Georgia averaged around $3.75 million per year, which was slightly less than his predecessor Mark Richt was making. But after Smart’s second season when he led Georgia to the SEC championship and within a whisker of winning the College Football Playoff, the school locked him up to a seven-year, $49 million deal. That essentially brings him in line contractually with Auburn’s Gus Malzahn, who has also won an SEC title and made a national championship game.

Why it’s a bad contract: The largesse of Smart’s deal is tied almost exclusively to the market rate established by his peers, not the demand for him specifically. In other words, if Georgia had told Smart that it would pay him $5 million a year with a $10 million buyout — take it or leave it — would there be another college program or NFL team willing to pay him more or offer him a better situation? Probably not. Smart is a Georgia guy who is uniquely positioned at his alma mater to capitalize on an in-state talent base that’s good enough to win the national title. And yet if he doesn’t deliver that in the next few years — remember, Richt’s record through his first 3½ seasons was just as good as Smart’s — this will look like a big overpay.

Kirk Ferentz has a 157-103 record in 20-plus seasons at Iowa.

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6. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa

Total 2019 compensation: $4.8 million

Contract end date: Jan. 31, 2026

Buyout: $21.571 million

Why the school paid so much: It’s not written into state law that Ferentz will get a new contract every few years that extends out another decade, but it sure seems that way. This is Ferentz’s 21st season at Iowa, and he’s signed for six more, which means he’d be 70 when this current deal expires. Ferentz got his first big deal early in his tenure after three straight top-10 finishes as Iowa had to fight off significant interest from the NFL. They gave him a 10-year extension after the Hawkeyes went 11-2 in 2009 with a trip to the Orange Bowl. And then after 2015, when Iowa went 12-0 in the regular season and nearly beat Michigan State for the Big Ten title and a Playoff spot, he got another 10-year deal that essentially locks him in for the rest of his career.

Why it’s a bad contract: Just on principle, a 10-year contract for an older coach who is not competing at an elite level on a regular basis is a bad idea. Though Ferentz has certainly had some great moments at Iowa, it has basically been a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten program for the last decade with an occasional pop of national relevance. That’s OK for now, but if there ever comes a point where it looks like Ferentz is slipping, his contract may make it prohibitive to wind down his tenure amicably.

Chad Morris went 14-23 in three seasons at SMU before taking over at Arkansas.

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7. Chad Morris, Arkansas

Total 2019 compensation: $4 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2023

Buyout: $10.004 million

Why the school paid so much: Arkansas was in a tough spot after firing Bret Bielema in 2017. After Gus Malzahn rebuffed a big-money offer to stay at Auburn, Arkansas was pretty far down the list of desirable jobs in a year with a lot of coaching changes. Not only did that limit Arkansas’ pool of candidates but it created leverage for someone like Morris, who was making a little more than $2 million a year at SMU and didn't necessarily need to take on a major rebuilding job in the SEC unless he was going to get a huge bump in pay.

Why it’s a bad contract: Plucking a successful coach from a Group of Five program is always a bit of a gamble for a Power Five school because you just don’t know if it will translate. But in Morris’ case, he hadn’t even been particularly successful at SMU with a 14-22 overall record. Though in fairness the team had improved each year, going 7-5 in his final season there, Morris’ reputation was largely formed due to his work as Clemson’s offensive coordinator. So far, though, it’s been a debacle at Arkansas as he’s 0-12 in the SEC (4-15 overall), has yet to beat a Power Five team and has lost to the likes of North Texas, Colorado State and San Jose State.

Edited October 22, 2019 by TexasMan

Born Burnt · October 22, 2019

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No matter what happens, Texas A&M and Fisher are stuck with each other for at least the next handful of years. Maybe that will be a good thing if Fisher starts beating Alabama and LSU regularly and contending for the SEC championship. But for now, that contract makes Fisher look massively overpaid.

He’s not the only one, though. Given the constant churn of the coaching carousel, the short supply of proven winners out there to hire and the pressure on administrators to keep successful coaches, plenty of schools are getting taken to the cleaners in contract negotiations these days. Here are the eight worst contracts this year in college football, :

Jimbo Fisher is in his second season as head coach at Texas A&M after leading Florida State for eight years.

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1. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M

Total 2019 compensation: $7.5 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2027

Buyout: $60.6 million

Why the school paid so much: Since joining the SEC in 2012, Texas A&M’s answer to every problem has been to throw money at it. So when it was time to jettison Kevin Sumlin, who earned a hefty $10.4 million buyout himself with no offset provision if he took a new job, the Aggies were going to do whatever it took to get a coach with “national champion” on his résumé. And, clearly, it took a lot. For Texas A&M, though, just being able to pull Fisher away from a blueblood program in Florida State was an achievement in and of itself for a school that enjoys genuflecting in its financial strength as much as it does winning on the field.

Why it’s a bad contract: Massively overrated to start this season, Texas A&M will finish 7-5 if its remaining games go as expected. That means Fisher’s first two years won’t be much different record-wise than Sumlin’s final two. Though recruiting has gone well for Fisher, there’s a legitimate question about whether his best days as an offensive innovator/quarterback guru are behind him. When you look at the evolution of programs like Alabama and LSU, Fisher’s pro style system looks like a relic and relies heavily on a complicated playbook that not all quarterbacks can handle. As we saw late in his tenure at Florida State and early this season, Fisher’s offense falls apart without a great offensive line. If Fisher can’t evolve the way other top programs have, Texas A&M will be paying an above-market rate mostly for the national championship he won with another school.

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Coach Dana Holgorsen had a 61-41 record in eight seasons at West Virginian before moving to Houston this season.

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2. Dana Holgorsen, Houston

Total 2019 compensation: $3.7 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2023

Buyout: $13.2 million

Why the school paid so much: Few institutions in all of college sports have a higher hubris-to-accomplishment ratio than Houston. The Cougars think they belong in a Power Five league and the way to get there is dominating the American Athletic Conference, no matter how unrealistic that might be. So when the school dumped Major Applewhite after just two seasons, the Cougars and megabooster Tilman Fertitta were determined to spend big on a splashy hire — and what better way to grab headlines than pulling a coach away from a Power Five school? Though Holgorsen wanted out of West Virginia badly, landing a 5-year, $20 million contract in a city he likes living in is a pretty nice soft landing.

Why it’s a bad contract: It seems highly unlikely Holgorsen will ever take the Cougars where they want to go. Though Houston has good recruiting geography and attractive facilities, it’s not going to consistently recruit like a Power Five team unless or until it’s in a Power Five league. That means it’s going to be hard to create a real talent gap with the rest of the AAC, which has a number of strong programs including UCF, Memphis, Temple and Navy. Holgorsen is a good coach with a solid track record, but he’s never finished a season higher than ranked No. 17. And for all the talk about Houston’s potential, it’s only won two conference titles in the past 20 years. That doesn’t sound like a combination primed to live up to a contract that busted the market for Group of Five teams.

Willie Taggart had head coaching stops at Western Kentucky, South Florida and Oregon before moving to Florida State in 2018.

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3. Willie Taggart, Florida State

Total 2019 compensation: $5 million

Contract end date: Jan 31, 2024

Buyout: $17.7 million

Why the school paid so much: When Fisher left for Texas A&M, Taggart seemed like the obvious choice to replace him. Taggart had turned around two smaller programs at Western Kentucky and South Florida, and particularly in Tampa had shown a strong ability to recruit in the talent-rich I-4 corridor. The problem was that Taggart already had a good job at Oregon, and no matter how badly he wanted to return to his home state, he wasn’t going to leave after one year without getting a significant raise. With Oregon reportedly offering around $4 million a year to stay, Florida State had no choice but to pony up.

Why it’s a bad contract: The Taggart era has been a major disappointment, and this already looks like a situation where the school would consider moving on if not for the massive buyout he’s owed. Though many of the early problems can be traced to roster erosion in Fisher’s final years, the Seminoles missed a bowl game last season for the first time since 1981 and have looked unprepared and poorly coached on several occasions. Though wins over Louisville and N.C. State recently seemed like a step forward, Florida State got humiliated by Clemson 45-14 on Oct. 12, showing how big the gap remains. Taggart also hasn't exactly set the world on fire in recruiting, which seemed like a given when he got the job.

Before becoming coach at Michigan, Jim Harbaugh had a four-year stint at Stanford where he went 29-21, including 12-1 in 2010.

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4. Jim Harbaugh, Michigan

Total 2019 compensation: $7.5 million

Contract end date: Jan. 10, 2022

Buyout: $11.688 million

Why the school paid so much: It’s hard to remember now, but most people outside of Michigan were skeptical that Harbaugh would even be willing to return to college football in 2014 given how successful he’d been in the NFL. That’s why a desperate Michigan couldn’t mess around and go cheap. In order to make a real run at Harbaugh, there was no choice but to offer a landmark contract. Now, however, that deal has just two seasons remaining on it, which is almost unheard of in big-time college sports. It will be interesting to see if either side seriously engages on an extension and what that might look like, given the underwhelming results so far.

Why it’s a bad contract: Though Harbaugh has been far from a disaster, there was no ambiguity about the expectations when he took the job. And those expectations have not been met. The reason you pay a coach $7.5 million a year is to contend for national titles, win conference titles and beat your biggest rivals. Five years in, Harbaugh hasn’t done any of that, although he came awful close in 2016. Had one spot of a football changed by two inches against Ohio State that year, Harbaugh might have won the Big Ten and been in the College Football Playoff. But without those signature wins, it’s hard to justify the contract.

Kirby Smart went 13-2 in his second season at Georgia, losing in the College Football Playoff finale.

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5. Kirby Smart, Georgia

Total 2019 compensation: $6.87 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2024

Buyout: $24.24 million

Why the school paid so much: Smart’s contract has changed significantly in a relatively short period of time. When he was initially hired as a first-time head coach, Smart’s deal with Georgia averaged around $3.75 million per year, which was slightly less than his predecessor Mark Richt was making. But after Smart’s second season when he led Georgia to the SEC championship and within a whisker of winning the College Football Playoff, the school locked him up to a seven-year, $49 million deal. That essentially brings him in line contractually with Auburn’s Gus Malzahn, who has also won an SEC title and made a national championship game.

Why it’s a bad contract: The largesse of Smart’s deal is tied almost exclusively to the market rate established by his peers, not the demand for him specifically. In other words, if Georgia had told Smart that it would pay him $5 million a year with a $10 million buyout — take it or leave it — would there be another college program or NFL team willing to pay him more or offer him a better situation? Probably not. Smart is a Georgia guy who is uniquely positioned at his alma mater to capitalize on an in-state talent base that’s good enough to win the national title. And yet if he doesn’t deliver that in the next few years — remember, Richt’s record through his first 3½ seasons was just as good as Smart’s — this will look like a big overpay.

Kirk Ferentz has a 157-103 record in 20-plus seasons at Iowa.

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6. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa

Total 2019 compensation: $4.8 million

Contract end date: Jan. 31, 2026

Buyout: $21.571 million

Why the school paid so much: It’s not written into state law that Ferentz will get a new contract every few years that extends out another decade, but it sure seems that way. This is Ferentz’s 21st season at Iowa, and he’s signed for six more, which means he’d be 70 when this current deal expires. Ferentz got his first big deal early in his tenure after three straight top-10 finishes as Iowa had to fight off significant interest from the NFL. They gave him a 10-year extension after the Hawkeyes went 11-2 in 2009 with a trip to the Orange Bowl. And then after 2015, when Iowa went 12-0 in the regular season and nearly beat Michigan State for the Big Ten title and a Playoff spot, he got another 10-year deal that essentially locks him in for the rest of his career.

Why it’s a bad contract: Just on principle, a 10-year contract for an older coach who is not competing at an elite level on a regular basis is a bad idea. Though Ferentz has certainly had some great moments at Iowa, it has basically been a middle-of-the-pack Big Ten program for the last decade with an occasional pop of national relevance. That’s OK for now, but if there ever comes a point where it looks like Ferentz is slipping, his contract may make it prohibitive to wind down his tenure amicably.

Chad Morris went 14-23 in three seasons at SMU before taking over at Arkansas.

NELSON CHENAULT, USA TODAY SPORTS

7. Chad Morris, Arkansas

Total 2019 compensation: $4 million

Contract end date: Dec. 31, 2023

Buyout: $10.004 million

Why the school paid so much: Arkansas was in a tough spot after firing Bret Bielema in 2017. After Gus Malzahn rebuffed a big-money offer to stay at Auburn, Arkansas was pretty far down the list of desirable jobs in a year with a lot of coaching changes. Not only did that limit Arkansas’ pool of candidates but it created leverage for someone like Morris, who was making a little more than $2 million a year at SMU and didn't necessarily need to take on a major rebuilding job in the SEC unless he was going to get a huge bump in pay.

Why it’s a bad contract: Plucking a successful coach from a Group of Five program is always a bit of a gamble for a Power Five school because you just don’t know if it will translate. But in Morris’ case, he hadn’t even been particularly successful at SMU with a 14-22 overall record. Though in fairness the team had improved each year, going 7-5 in his final season there, Morris’ reputation was largely formed due to his work as Clemson’s offensive coordinator. So far, though, it’s been a debacle at Arkansas as he’s 0-12 in the SEC (4-15 overall), has yet to beat a Power Five team and has lost to the likes of North Texas, Colorado State and San Jose State.

Neonmoon · October 22, 2019

22 minutes ago, TexasMan said:

Texas A&M will be paying an above-market rate mostly for the national championship he won with another school.

Vertigo · October 22, 2019

1 hour ago, TexasMan said:

For Texas A&M, though, just being able to pull Fisher away from a blueblood program in Florida State was an achievement in and of itself for a school that enjoys genuflecting in its financial strength as much as it does winning on the field.

Moral Victory U

Voluminous Banality · October 22, 2019

Bilbo's buyout is three times higher than any other coach's on the "worst contract" list and six times higher than some. That's a natty if I've ever seen one. How long til they get 'er up on the wall at Kyle?

Lobwedgephil · October 22, 2019

#1 though, do they put that on the stadium?

TtomTerrific · October 22, 2019

I didn't think the mother fucker had a buy out at all....I guess they just subtracted whatever they have already paid him from 75 million and wrote down the difference, cuz they money is gone.

Unless, maybe (and this is definitely next if it works) they can find some secret recruiting letter he has been sharing with alumni...

But he "recognized his improtance to the school in honoring his contract"..right there in writing...so...I don't know, they might kinda be fucked here.

BigBenBamboozle · October 22, 2019

16 hours ago, texasstrong12 said:

All Ole Miss had to do in this game is fall on the ball and they would have won. A&M scored 7 points on a fumble. A&M's offense only scored 17 points and another 7 points came off great field position.

This is why even bad teams like Arkansas, Miss State, Ole Miss, and South Carolina all have a shot to beat A&M. A&M's offense can't score. The Auburn gameplan of being very conservative on offense to limit turnovers is how you beat them. Just don't give them points from turnovers/bad field position and A&M can't score.

It will never not be funny A&M hired a relic of a corch to teach dem der players how to play SECx3, hand-in-the-dirt, two-tight end, smashmouth offense right when Alabama and LSU were moving to modern spread attacks.

Doc Reeves · October 22, 2019

This ship is going to take at least 3 more years to sink.

How fucking awesome.

Tex Pete · October 22, 2019

55 minutes ago, TtomTerrific said:

I didn't think the mother fucker had a buy out at all....I guess they just subtracted whatever they have already paid him from 75 million and wrote down the difference, cuz they money is gone.

That's correct. No buyout.

Dogfishhead · October 22, 2019

I didn't think the mother fucker had a buy out at all....I guess they just subtracted whatever they have already paid him from 75 million and wrote down the difference, cuz they money is gone.
Unless, maybe (and this is definitely next if it works) they can find some secret recruiting letter he has been sharing with alumni...
But he "recognized his improtance to the school in honoring his contract"..right there in writing...so...I don't know, they might kinda be fucked here.

I don’t think he has a “buy out” amount. The 60.5 million in the article is the starting 75 million minus 2 years worth of salary....so you were right the first time

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Neonmoon · October 22, 2019

It's only year 2 of 10. There are way more than 3 more years left of this show. The idea that A&m could pony up 37.5 million to buyout their coach after 5 years is laughable. Hell even after 7 years, the 22.5 million won't be doable. Their only hope is he pans out or he agrees to a negotiated settlement at some point.

Pato del Muerto · October 22, 2019

Is his deal such that he gets his paycheck for the full term even if he’s not coaching, or is there an acceleration clause in the event he’s terminated?

sumlin’s was all due within 60 days of termination or some such, but his was a smaller deal.

aggy might have some negotiating room if they can dangle a discounted amount paid immediately.

DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt · October 22, 2019

18 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

It's only year 2 of 10. There are way more than 3 more years left of this show. The idea that A&m could pony up 37.5 million to buyout their coach after 5 years is laughable. Hell even after 7 years, the 22.5 million won't be doable. Their only hope is he pans out or he agrees to a negotiated settlement at some point.

Aggy: “Hey Jimbo, this isn’t working out. We’d like to negotiate a settlement.”

Jimbo: “haha sure thing, bubba.”

TexasMan · October 22, 2019

43:30 - 47:00

Looch and Fat Hamm talk about Sheppard entering the transfer portal. Looch thinks aggy has a good shot at landing him, that he wanted to go to aggy this whole time, but he got pressured into going to Texas. And that Javonne could be a great connection in Houston to tell other recruits to not trust the people at Texas.

51:00 - 54:00

The duo talk about Baylor, SMU, and Texas. That it's not even a question that aggy would beat SMU, but if Texas meets SMU at the Cotton Bowl, that the Ponys will whoop them.

https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/texags.blob.core.windows.net/audio/0123266-niyg.mp3

markstanco · October 22, 2019

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

It's only year 2 of 10. There are way more than 3 more years left of this show. The idea that A&m could pony up 37.5 million to buyout their coach after 5 years is laughable. Hell even after 7 years, the 22.5 million won't be doable. Their only hope is he pans out or he agrees to a negotiated settlement at some point.

They will do what they have to do to get him fired for cause, thats the only out IIRC.

Getafix · October 22, 2019

Daniyel Ngata announcing Sunday.

Fong/Brandon Huffman/247

Spoiler

What we think will happen: Let's check in with Brandon Huffman, a 247Sports National Recruiting Editor: "My Crystal Ball is in on Arizona State largely because of the great visit to Tempe with fellow Sacramento players in Omarr Norman-Lott who committed to ASU and teammate Elijhah Badger who also has ASU on his very short list. Ngata took just three of his five allotted officials and said he’s said he’s done and knows where he wants to go and a lot of the buzz coming out of the official visit to Tempe was positive for Arizona State especially with Norman-Lott already on board and Badger looking like a lean. Do everything (Arizona State) receiver Bradon Aiyuk is also his cousin.”

Perroni / Aggie 247

Spoiler

I just changed my Crystal Ball to Arizona State with him now announcing Sunday. He's still in communication with A&M quite a bit, but it sounds like it will be ASU. I will keep digging and let y'all know if anything changes though.

Edited October 22, 2019 by Getafix

Scholz · October 22, 2019

But is Ngata in constant communication?

Neonmoon · October 22, 2019

Classic Jimbo. Enjoy the ride

Neonmoon · October 22, 2019

The goal post have officially been moved. If they can beat 3-4 Miss State, 3-4 Conference USA team UTSA, and 3-4 South Carolina. 7-5 is a success.

Huge run comming in 2020-2021

Doc Reeves · October 22, 2019

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

The goal post have officially been moved. If they can beat 3-4 Miss State, 3-4 Conference USA team UTSA, and 3-4 South Carolina. 7-5 is a success.

Huge run comming in 2020-2021

Fucking clockwork

Hanrahan · October 22, 2019

Just think, it was barely a month and a half ago that the goal (for some) and expectation (for others) was 2-2 against Clemson, Bama, LSU and Georgia. Aggies are like good BB pitchers - have to have a short memory.

Chopper · October 22, 2019

3 hours ago, TexasMan said:

43:30 - 47:00

Looch and Fat Hamm talk about Sheppard entering the transfer portal. Looch thinks aggy has a good shot at landing him, that he wanted to go to aggy this whole time, but he got pressured into going to Texas. And that Javonne could be a great connection in Houston to tell other recruits to not trust the people at Texas.

51:00 - 54:00

The duo talk about Baylor, SMU, and Texas. That it's not even a question that aggy would beat SMU, but if Texas meets SMU at the Cotton Bowl, that the Ponys will whoop them.

https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/texags.blob.core.windows.net/audio/0123266-niyg.mp3

Given that you are well on your way to having a phd in Luigi-speak and are well on the way to completing your dissertation, maybe you should perfect your imitation of Luigi and then call up fwk to interview him about the evil men at the University of Texas. That could be a nice comedic topper for your dissertation. Just a random thought.

Beau Vine · October 22, 2019

6 hours ago, TtomTerrific said:

I didn't think the mother fucker had a buy out at all....I guess they just subtracted whatever they have already paid him from 75 million and wrote down the difference, cuz they money is gone.

His buyout is the full value remaining on the contract.

SwanderedTalent · October 22, 2019

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

His buyout is the full value remaining on the contract.

"EXACTLY, WE CAN FIRE HIM IN EIGHT YEARS FOR NOTHING YOU DUMB T-SIP"

Doc Reeves · October 23, 2019

1 hour ago, Hanrahan said:

Aggies are like good BB pitchers - have to have a short memory.

BB pitchers... Alzheimer’s patients... you know, whatever works

campcrunk · October 23, 2019

4 hours ago, TexasMan said:

43:30 - 47:00

Looch and Fat Hamm talk about Sheppard entering the transfer portal. Looch thinks aggy has a good shot at landing him, that he wanted to go to aggy this whole time, but he got pressured into going to Texas. And that Javonne could be a great connection in Houston to tell other recruits to not trust the people at Texas.

51:00 - 54:00

The duo talk about Baylor, SMU, and Texas. That it's not even a question that aggy would beat SMU, but if Texas meets SMU at the Cotton Bowl, that the Ponys will whoop them.

https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/texags.blob.core.windows.net/audio/0123266-niyg.mp3

That's funny. Honestly, with the way Buechele is playing right now, he would probably carve both defenses up. The difference is that we can actually score enough to hang on.

aggy with Mond? Not so much.

fattyflattie · October 23, 2019

11 hours ago, Born Burnt said:

This reminds me, I need to pick one of these up. They will be even funnier is about 5 years.

Getafix · October 23, 2019

Things seem to be swinging back to the Aggies on the Ngata front.

From the ASU mod:

"As of right now it's looking like he will not pick ASU. I believe ASU coaches will take one more crack at him tonight or tomorrow but this isn't one you should be counting on."

"I don't know this for sure but am guessing Oklahoma State. I never had a Crystal Ball for him to ASU and also tried to douse some cold water on Ngata to ASU talk last week as well. So this shouldn't come as a surprise, honestly. One of the reasons/excuses I'm hearing is "Devils" in the name is viewed as bad luck by Ngata's very religious parents. No, I'm not kidding."

Fong:

"A&M still pushing here and in regular touch. Aggies definitely led in June. Not saying he's still coming but he may not be a lock to ASU."

texifornia · October 23, 2019

4 minutes ago, Getafix said:

"I don't know this for sure but am guessing Oklahoma State. I never had a Crystal Ball for him to ASU and also tried to douse some cold water on Ngata to ASU talk last week as well. So this shouldn't come as a surprise, honestly. One of the reasons/excuses I'm hearing is "Devils" in the name is viewed as bad luck by Ngata's very religious parents. No, I'm not kidding."

Herm Edwards being proved right about so many things this year is really messing with my worldview

Edited October 23, 2019 by texifornia

Doc Reeves · October 23, 2019

35 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Herm Edwards being proved right about so many things this year is really messing with my worldview

Why? I feel if you had an omnipresent/transcendental knowledge other people would see you as batshit cray and on the spectrum.

Herms definitely got the batshit down, but he’s a real motherfucker who says real shit.

Who knows, maybe instead of Morgan freedman in ‘Bruce Almighty’ it should have been HermanEd

markstanco · October 23, 2019

4 hours ago, Hanrahan said:

Just think, it was barely a month and a half ago that the goal (for some) and expectation (for others) was 2-2 against Clemson, Bama, LSU and Georgia. Aggies are like good BB pitchers - have to have a short memory.

Good on you for taking the high road there. Many this summer thought alabama was the only loss. They were sure of the Clemson, Georgia, and LSU win.

Fud · October 23, 2019

Names mentioned by a random A&M poster who he expects to leave the team. This isn't meant to be a real datapoint for who they'll actually lose, but should illustrate the type of roster turnover they'll soon have if Jimbo is really trying to bring in over a full class/bring in transfers

(Losing five seniors; Pryor, Elam, Prater, Oliver, Mann)

Vernon Jackson (medical)

Moses Reynolds (already portalled

Deneric Prince (already portalled)

Travon Fuller

Riley Anderson

Justin Marmaduke (NFL draft)

Kellen Dietsch

Derrick Tucker

Roschauud Paul

Connor Blumrick

Hezekiah Jones

Camron Horry

Grayson Reed

Josh Rogers

James Foster

Jalen Preston

Another poster mentioned Jacob Kibodi, Ikenna Okeke, and Brian Johnson

He also doesn't mention Quartney Davis, who could be an early draft guy. Also, Kendrick Rogers almost entered the draft early last year, so he wouldn't surprise me either.

As I've posited before, Jimbo flipping the roster over the offseason would hurt their play on the field the next year, and while the top third of their class is really talented, they'd be replacing some experienced bread with incoming high school bread. Their schedule is weak next year (toughest OOC game is Colorado, their SEC East game is Vanderbilt), but I'm not sure if they'll capitalize on it. They need Mond to be an upper echelon QB.

Fondren & Main · October 23, 2019

12 minutes ago, Fud said:

Names mentioned by a random A&M poster who he expects to leave the team. This isn't meant to be a real datapoint for who they'll actually lose, but should illustrate the type of roster turnover they'll soon have if Jimbo is really trying to bring in over a full class/bring in transfers

(Losing five seniors; Pryor, Elam, Prater, Oliver, Mann)

Vernon Jackson (medical)

Moses Reynolds (already portalled

Deneric Prince (already portalled)

Travon Fuller

Riley Anderson

Justin Marmaduke (NFL draft)

Kellen Dietsch

Derrick Tucker

Roschauud Paul

Connor Blumrick

Hezekiah Jones

Camron Horry

Grayson Reed

Josh Rogers

James Foster

Jalen Preston

Another poster mentioned Jacob Kibodi, Ikenna Okeke, and Brian Johnson

He also doesn't mention Quartney Davis, who could be an early draft guy. Also, Kendrick Rogers almost entered the draft early last year, so he wouldn't surprise me either.

As I've posited before, Jimbo flipping the roster over the offseason would hurt their play on the field the next year, and while the top third of their class is really talented, they'd be replacing some experienced bread with incoming high school bread. Their schedule is weak next year (toughest OOC game is Colorado, their SEC East game is Vanderbilt), but I'm not sure if they'll capitalize on it. They need Mond to be an upper echelon QB.

Spring Creek BBQ here we come!

Terry Silver · October 23, 2019

16 hours ago, Getafix said:

Perroni / Aggie 247

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I just changed my Crystal Ball to Arizona State with him now announcing Sunday. He's still in communication with A&M quite a bit, but it sounds like it will be ASU. I will keep digging and let y'all know if anything changes though.

*When Ngata commits to ASU*

Perroni: "While obviously not ideal, Jimbo Fisher and Co. have been in constant contact with Ngata, and he returns most of Jimbo's missed calls. The ags have been in on Ngata longer than anyone else, so I suspect this recruitment isn't over until the ink is dry."

I was pretty close on this one. Obviously there is still more to come when Ngata makes his official commitment.

Edited October 23, 2019 by Terry Silver

Leanderman · October 23, 2019

Just hope a lot of high school coaches can see what dim bulb baggins is doing with these kids. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Doc Reeves · October 23, 2019

20 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

or he agrees to a negotiated settlement at some point.

Cuz, you know, he’s such a nice guy...

Chrispy_ · October 23, 2019

13 hours ago, Getafix said:

Things seem to be swinging back to the Aggies on the Ngata front.

From the ASU mod:

"As of right now it's looking like he will not pick ASU. I believe ASU coaches will take one more crack at him tonight or tomorrow but this isn't one you should be counting on."

"I don't know this for sure but am guessing Oklahoma State. I never had a Crystal Ball for him to ASU and also tried to douse some cold water on Ngata to ASU talk last week as well. So this shouldn't come as a surprise, honestly. One of the reasons/excuses I'm hearing is "Devils" in the name is viewed as bad luck by Ngata's very religious parents. No, I'm not kidding."

Fong:

"A&M still pushing here and in regular touch. Aggies definitely led in June. Not saying he's still coming but he may not be a lock to ASU."

Hank Scorpio · October 23, 2019

As much as this pains me to say, I would much rather Ngata go to aggy than OSU. I would rather not spend the next 4 years watching our DBs whiff trying to tackle him.

SwanderedTalent · October 23, 2019

1 hour ago, Hank Scorpio said:

As much as this pains me to say, I would much rather Ngata go to aggy than OSU. I would rather not spend the next 4 years watching our DBs whiff trying to tackle him.

what happens when we meet them in the playoff the next 4 years, smart guy

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