Jimbo 2020: Strangers with Candi

[Yesh 913]

Yeah but he upgrades every time.

[Neonmoon 38129]

This is magnificent 

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Texas A&M signee and quarterback Haynes King has two major limitations in his game right now and neither of them are related to his abilities or mental makeup. In fact, both are a product of the fact that he’s such a great all around athlete and he’s a throwback in many ways to guys I grew up with in rural areas of east Texas.

First off, King grew up playing multiple sports that included basketball and track in addition to football. Much like the quarterbacks of yesteryear, he played everything because that’s what quarterbacks did back in the day. There wasn’t a lot of other things to do so they moved from one sport into another depending on the season.

Second, there’s been a proliferation of club sports and along with that private tutoring for younger athletes so that they can succeed at those sports. Parents with good jobs living in metropolitan areas can afford those coaches and also the players themselves have the time and accessibility for that type of instruction.  These players also attended camps and events where they got even more instruction. In contrast, King had one quarterback coach in high school and never had the same level of access to that type of instruction nor he has been to may camps.

As a result, when you watch King, you’ve got someone who doesn’t have the same footwork or delivery on every play. That stems from the fact that he hasn’t had as many reps or degree of teaching that most of his contemporaries have. 

He’ll slot his arm to a certain depth on one throw and then have a more of an overhand delivery on the next one. His feet don’t stay consistently under his body so that he can set them quickly and deliver the ball from one time to the next. This is especially true when he operates out of the gun as opposed to under center (and last night he was in the gun).

However, despite those issues….this is a guy who is playing at the highest level of post season competition with and against quarterbacks who have advantages in their development that he hasn’t had. He’s sufficiently coordinated that he can make throws from a variety of throwing motions and with people in his face. 

There was one throw last night where a rusher came around in front of him and he had to step up and reset his feet to throw the ball. Not only that, another rusher came free and didn’t allow him to rotate into the throw. Even so, he got enough velocity on the ball to get it to the sidelines and give the receiver a chance to catch it.

King was also under duress quite a bit in the game as there always seemed to be one rusher coming free that made him move around. On his one long completion on third and six you saw him move to his left but one of the best parts of his game came into play as he kept his eyes upfield, was able to see a receiver with a step on a defender, and then dropped his arm down to get some air under the throw and get it to them.

In addition, because King has played so many different sports, he hasn’t had a lot of time in a weight room…in fact, he’s done a lot of running on the track and on basketball courts. He needs to be able to build up his entire body so that he can get more into his throws, not just his arm but also his torso and hips.

Finally, King’s best attributes at this stage of his career…his competitiveness and his vision…came out in the skills challenge that he won over a lot of guys who are more polished at his position. His ability to focus on the moment enhanced his physical skills. It’s interesting to me watching him at this event and The Opening this summer how every aspect of his game is better when he’s in these types of situations.  He’s very coordinated and so unlike some of his peers who lack his athleticism he can move and throw from a variety of arm slots and stances and still have touch on the ball.

King will need a redshirt season in order to build up his body and his mechanics but you can see that the potential is there for him to be really special. However, it’s going to take some time for him to reach that potential and some patience on the part of A&M fans who will be along for the ride.

King played so poorly last night because he’s so good of an athlete he doesn’t play football that much 

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10232]

13 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This is magnificent 

King played so poorly last night because he’s so good of an athlete he doesn’t play football that much 

 

At least he got more experience running for his life behind an under performing o-line

[Updawg 2266]

You know, I never played qb or very much organized football, I was at the beach surfing or windsurfing instead . but I have 4 years of eligibility and intangibles. Not sure I'd want to be an Aggie though.

[Burt Macklin 19020]

King has one of the ugliest, slowest throwing motions I've ever seen. He's always going to struggle with accuracy and throw awful looking throws like the one he threw into the dirt at the UA game. Of course, those will all be counted as drops by TexAgs, so his adjusted completion percentage will be very high. 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

So all the other qbs there have had specialized, year round football coaching their whole lives?  Nobody else is a multi sport athlete who can’t afford private qb coaching?

none of them, say, played receiver until last season?

Edited January 3, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[Fud 9552]

The OL coach getting pushed out seems like fan fantasy to me, that Tarp had to address because they talked it up into a story 

[RGBIII 22840]

29 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

King has one of the ugliest, slowest throwing motions I've ever seen. He's always going to struggle with accuracy and throw awful looking throws like the one he threw into the dirt at the UA game. Of course, those will all be counted as drops by TexAgs, so his adjusted completion percentage will be very high. 

Wait till the world sees Stowers throw the ball...

[Bill Lumbergh 7171]

This is magnificent 

Texas A&M signee and quarterback Haynes King has two major limitations in his game right now and neither of them are related to his abilities or mental makeup. In fact, both are a product of the fact that he’s such a great all around athlete and he’s a throwback in many ways to guys I grew up with in rural areas of east Texas. First off, King grew up playing multiple sports that included basketball and track in addition to football. Much like the quarterbacks of yesteryear, he played everything because that’s what quarterbacks did back in the day. There wasn’t a lot of other things to do so they moved from one sport into another depending on the season.

Second, there’s been a proliferation of club sports and along with that private tutoring for younger athletes so that they can succeed at those sports. Parents with good jobs living in metropolitan areas can afford those coaches and also the players themselves have the time and accessibility for that type of instruction.  These players also attended camps and events where they got even more instruction. In contrast, King had one quarterback coach in high school and never had the same level of access to that type of instruction nor he has been to may camps.

As a result, when you watch King, you’ve got someone who doesn’t have the same footwork or delivery on every play. That stems from the fact that he hasn’t had as many reps or degree of teaching that most of his contemporaries have. 

He’ll slot his arm to a certain depth on one throw and then have a more of an overhand delivery on the next one. His feet don’t stay consistently under his body so that he can set them quickly and deliver the ball from one time to the next. This is especially true when he operates out of the gun as opposed to under center (and last night he was in the gun).

However, despite those issues….this is a guy who is playing at the highest level of post season competition with and against quarterbacks who have advantages in their development that he hasn’t had. He’s sufficiently coordinated that he can make throws from a variety of throwing motions and with people in his face. 

There was one throw last night where a rusher came around in front of him and he had to step up and reset his feet to throw the ball. Not only that, another rusher came free and didn’t allow him to rotate into the throw. Even so, he got enough velocity on the ball to get it to the sidelines and give the receiver a chance to catch it.

King was also under duress quite a bit in the game as there always seemed to be one rusher coming free that made him move around. On his one long completion on third and six you saw him move to his left but one of the best parts of his game came into play as he kept his eyes upfield, was able to see a receiver with a step on a defender, and then dropped his arm down to get some air under the throw and get it to them.

In addition, because King has played so many different sports, he hasn’t had a lot of time in a weight room…in fact, he’s done a lot of running on the track and on basketball courts. He needs to be able to build up his entire body so that he can get more into his throws, not just his arm but also his torso and hips.

Finally, King’s best attributes at this stage of his career…his competitiveness and his vision…came out in the skills challenge that he won over a lot of guys who are more polished at his position. His ability to focus on the moment enhanced his physical skills. It’s interesting to me watching him at this event and The Opening this summer how every aspect of his game is better when he’s in these types of situations.  He’s very coordinated and so unlike some of his peers who lack his athleticism he can move and throw from a variety of arm slots and stances and still have touch on the ball.

King will need a redshirt season in order to build up his body and his mechanics but you can see that the potential is there for him to be really special. However, it’s going to take some time for him to reach that potential and some patience on the part of A&M fans who will be along for the ride.

 

So, King is an elite qb prospect who doesn't play very well because he's never focused on or learned how to play qb like some of his better performing peers?

 

All Jimbo needs to do is sprinkle some of his magic Jimbo dust on him, teach him some of that good qb stuff, and voila!

 

Sounds like the top qb recruit in Texas, for sure.

 

 

 

 

 

[Dennis Taylor 18812]

King doesn't go to camps and qb specialists because he's too busy competing. But he played like crap and won the skills challenge...mmkay...makes perfect sense 

[HtownHorn 14677]

I'm sorry, but the only QB coach he's had is his dad, the head football coach at Longview. My guess, Coach King makes 6 figs easily, which probably has the weight of closer to 500K in East Texas. My guess is that Coach King didn't want Haynes getting more instruction because it would show how awful he is at teaching the position.

Edited January 3, 2020 by HtownHorn

[Scholz 11942]

That’s a whole lot of words to say the kid’s physically weak and doesn’t know how to play QB. But great get, ags! Lulz

[ClubWhatever 12129]

10 minutes ago, Dennis Taylor said:

King doesn't go to camps and qb specialists because he's too busy competing. But he played like crap and won the skills challenge...mmkay...makes perfect sense 

That skills challenge is basically an agility test and has next to nothing to do with QB skills.  Starts at 3:37.  
 

 

 

[rvm96 1643]

I remember during the broadcast the announcers talked about how King would roll to his right every play and the defenders were justing waiting for him to do so.

[Vertigo 20276]

39 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

So, King is an elite qb prospect who doesn't play very well because he's never focused on or learned how to play qb like some of his better performing peers?

 

All Jimbo needs to do is sprinkle some of his magic Jimbo dust on him, teach him some of that good qb stuff, and voila!

 

Sounds like the top qb recruit in Texas, for sure.

 

 

 

 

 

There is a reason they were in a dogfight with Tennessee for his services stupid sip. This once in a generation multi sport athlete is a Jimbo coup. I remember the last super raw multi sport athlete we got to play QB here at Texas ended up being heisman trophy winner and NFL drafted QB Tyrone Swoopes. 

[Huckleberry 32851]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

This is magnificent 

King played so poorly last night because he’s so good of an athlete he doesn’t play football that much 

 

Loved the skills challenges part. 

"The way you can tell he's really good at football is because he does better when not actually playing football."

[Orange&White 5522]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

This is magnificent 

King played so poorly last night because he’s so good of an athlete he doesn’t play football that much 

 

Well, it should really be expected for him to play poorly. Not all of his competition is SEC material so he probably doesn’t really want to be there. It’s more like a vacation for him.

 

[TKthunder2 4989]

45 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

I'm sorry, but the only QB coach he's had is his dad, the head football coach at Longview. My guess, Coach King makes 6 figs easily, which probably has the weight of closer to 500K in East Texas. My guess is that Coach King didn't want Haynes getting more instruction because it would show how awful he is at teaching the position.

I played for Coach King.  He’s a Oline coach not a QB coach.

[Tex Pete 20343]

5 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

I played for Coach King.  He’s a Oline coach not a QB coach.

That explains why his son sucks so badly. Coach King should have known better than to try to coach him.

[TKthunder2 4989]

3 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

That explains why his son sucks so badly. Coach King should have known better than to try to coach him.

Lulz not every head coach is a QB whispering guru and Coach King was not his only fb coach.  Some of these takes are ridiculous.

[Tex Pete 20343]

12 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Lulz not every head coach is a QB whispering guru and Coach King was not his only fb coach.  Some of these takes are ridiculous.

[TKthunder2 4989]

1 minute ago, Tex Pete said:

Mea culpa, my meter must be busted.

[Mdhorn 5948]

16 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Loved the skills challenges part. 

"The way you can tell he's really good at football is because he does better when not actually playing football."

It's a great get when your qb is at his best not playing football.  That also applies to everybody.

[texifornia 56917]

Ok sure

Spoiler

 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

Where are they reading that?  Nobody here has changed their opinion of Herman and nobody is super cocky because of beating Utah. 

[SydneyCarton 48076]

16 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Where are they reading that?  Nobody here has changed their opinion of Herman and nobody is super cocky because of beating Utah. 

You’re surprised to see this from a fan base that has no differentiation between optimism and certainty? A group that has a nonexistent relationship with fact?

[texifornia 56917]

20 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Where are they reading that?  Nobody here has changed their opinion of Herman and nobody is super cocky because of beating Utah. 

Never forget our payboards are rock fucking stupid, too

[texifornia 56917]

Probably going aggy

 

[PNWhornsfan 391]

Sucks that he got trapdoored by LSU...

[taybo20 2825]

And he did go Aggie 

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

Did these kids all sign early, or could they still be flipped in the next 4 weeks?  Not to us, but like cooper to Mississippi. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[Bruh Man 3160]

14 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Probably going aggy

 

I have to admit they have an excellent class. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22213]

4 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

I have to admit they have an excellent class. 

Except, you know, the 2 main positions where they are weakest they did nothing to address them in OL ( particularly Tackle ) and CB.

[texifornia 56917]

5 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

I have to admit they have an excellent class. 

Talent acquisition isn't Jimbo's problem. We've just got to hope they get his FSU problems - a rotten OL and an imploding locker room. This class seems to be in line with both of those things.

Edited January 4, 2020 by texifornia

[ClubWhatever 12129]

Just now, Elmer_Fudd said:

Except, you know, the 2 main positions where they are weakest they did nothing to address them in OL ( particularly Tackle ) and CB.

They don’t have a good QB in the class either.  The one they got is a project who is several years away from even possibly being good enough to win with.  

[Elmer_Fudd 22213]

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Talent acquisition isn't Jimbo's problem. We've just got to hope they get his FSU problems - a rotten OL and an imploding locker room. This class seems to be in line with both of those things.

It'll be interesting to see how things go with Harris, Morris, and the NJ kids.

[texifornia 56917]

Daddy98 on Robinson. I hate that we're probably doing the same thing (drinking ahead of the Texans game)

[Funk Doctor Spock 12190]

4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Daddy98 on Robinson. I hate that we're probably doing the same thing (drinking ahead of the Texans game)

He must be, uh, intellectually disabled. Yep, just one guy pushed in Utah's puckered asshole. 

[Mdhorn 5948]

3 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Daddy98 on Robinson. I hate that we're probably doing the same thing (drinking ahead of the Texans game)

Would be great to go head to head and win some of that agricultural money--their football program broke.  I sure as hell wouldn't flip lines on either side.  They can keep their class too.   I like ours, although I'd like to pick up another linebacker or two.   

[Elmer_Fudd 22213]

10 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Daddy98 on Robinson. I hate that we're probably doing the same thing (drinking ahead of the Texans game)

The best thing about this is they wanted and would have for sure taken Ojomo, Graham, Broughton, Sweat, and also potential commits Collins and Princely.  

On the flip side we have no interest in short, over weight OOS DT's, head cases like Harris, or scrubs like Ellison.

[Bruh Man 3160]

1 hour ago, texifornia said:

Talent acquisition isn't Jimbo's problem. We've just got to hope they get his FSU problems - a rotten OL and an imploding locker room. This class seems to be in line with both of those things.

Imploding locker room? I mean I guess you could say that about any class. Nobody expected all of the attrition/issues with our '16 class. Better not to bring up that point bc it just sounds aggy. Their OL is not as bad as you guys make it out to be. CB is poor but the front 7 prospects they're getting is going to help with that a bit.

[texasstrong12 4668]

7 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

Their OL is not as bad as you guys make it out to be. 

Their OL has finished 97th and 93rd in sack rate the last two years. If you don't think that's bad please direct me to the bad offensive lines. They don't have any tackles on the roster just like at FSU. 

It's not shocking they can't block in pass pro. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by texasstrong12

[texasstrong12 4668]

Nailed it. 

 

[Not a Sock 2313]

8 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

Imploding locker room? I mean I guess you could say that about any class. Nobody expected all of the attrition/issues with our '16 class. Better not to bring up that point bc it just sounds aggy. Their OL is not as bad as you guys make it out to be. CB is poor but the front 7 prospects they're getting is going to help with that a bit.

The only reason Jimbo is even at A&M is because his shitty recruiting at FSU collapsed in on him both from locker room cancers and shitty Olines which is the exact same thing he is doing again in college station.

[HtownHorn 14677]

aggy is still living off the Leal recruitment when it comes to DL.

But they offered Ossai, Graham, Coburn, Ojomo, Sweat, Warren, Broughton, and Collins.

 

There is also no doubt that would have taken Sanders if he had any interest at all in aggy.

Edited January 4, 2020 by HtownHorn

[dcar00 14181]

who would we take that is currently committed from the aggy class?

Edited January 4, 2020 by dcar00

[Funk Doctor Spock 12190]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

who would we take that is currently committed from the aggy class?

Demas, Jaylon Jones, Fadil Diggs, but that's all I can think of. 

[texifornia 56917]

3 minutes ago, Spider2YBanana said:

Demas, Jaylon Jones, Fadil Diggs, but that's all I can think of. 

That Missouri LB as long as his off field stuff checked out (not a guarantee)

[Neonmoon 38129]

Georgia going to turn A&M in for tampering with Evans?

Aggy isn’t talking to Evans but they are talking to his handler 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Neonmoon

[Doc Reeves 6434]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Georgia going to turn A&M in for tampering with Evans?

Aggy isn’t talking to Evans but they are talking to his handler 

In the SEC this isn't even "strongly written letter" territory