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Just to recap Five Star WR and Aggy commit Demond Demas wanted to transfer from North Forest High School to Tomball High School. He stated it was to better his living situation, and not for athle

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Hey everyone, just got back from Baton Rouge. I was taking my stepson there for an orientation (he got his GED and only qualified for Blinn, aggy, and LSU) and got to hang out with some of the local f

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7 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Could you possibly be suggesting that Princely Umanmielen hasn't been their #1 choice of the in-state DL since Jimbo arrived? Heresy!

Nope. I'm talking about Tarp making sense about Omeire being a fringe 4 star WR due to his size and his lack of speed and ability to create separation.

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I loved the Looch pivot to Princely being #1 on their board. If he was really on the top of their board and he thought they had a good shot (he does), then that bitch would’ve had him at the top of the rankings between the 3 DL prospects. He doesn’t. 

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1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

I loved the Looch pivot to Princely being #1 on their board. If he was really on the top of their board and he thought they had a good shot (he does), then that bitch would’ve had him at the top of the rankings between the 3 DL prospects. He doesn’t. 

Hell they didn't offer Princely until this past spring.

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Looch in da hoos: https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqv6ri

I'm just posting the lists because it's just too much drivel for me to sort through otherwise

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It's no secret that Howell and I love our lists. So here are a couple of recruiting-centric lists as we approach what could end up being a busy weekend in Aggie recruiting (with the big end-of-summer pool party/BBQ scheduled for Friday). First is my 'most likely to be Aggies' list (we're talking 'most likely to SIGN' here). The second is my 'Personal Wish List' - the top five players, in order, I would like to see Jimbo Fisher and Co. close out the class with.

Most likely to be Aggies in 2020
Devin Price‍ 
Josh Eaton‍ ‍ 
Daniyel Ngata‍ 
Chris Morris‍ 
Devon Achane‍ 
Donell Harris‍ 
Dontae Manning‍ 
Princely Umanmielen‍ (Pictured above)
EJ Smith‍ 
Garrett Hayes‍ 
Zach Evans‍ 
Omari Thomas‍ 


2020 Wish List
Zach Evans
Noah Sewell‍ 
Donell Harris
Chris Morris
Devon Achane

 

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4 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Zach Evans. LOL.

I have no doubt he could still end up there, but the thing is, if he does, his long-term stock takes a nose-dive, for multiple reasons. 

Only way I can see Zach landing at aggie is if they win 10 games and compete well in those 4 tough games. As far as money, the last few years Bama and Georgia have set the rate. Rumor was that Sanders costs the Red Elephant Club 300K. If aggie can show him they are competing and winning those big games, they'll pay whatever it takes to get him signed if he wants in.

That is all fantasy because they are going 8-4.

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2 minutes ago, Goodman said:

Only way I can see Zach landing at aggie is if they win 10 games and compete well in those 4 tough games. As far as money, the last few years Bama and Georgia have set the rate. Rumor was that Sanders costs the Red Elephant Club 300K. If aggie can show him they are competing and winning those big games, they'll pay whatever it takes to get him signed if he wants in.

That is all fantasy because they are going 8-4.

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1 minute ago, Goodman said:

I would love you to be right but they play some really shitty teams and a few that are trending down.

Every year I root like hell for Boom and the pigs to beat them and every year they crash. 

Boom and the pigs are going to ball out.  Those games are always closer than they should be for aggy.  Boom is playing for his job and Morris/Traylor want to set the tone.  

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1 minute ago, Goodman said:

Chavis is going to shove that tone right up Morris's ass on  his way out of town this next offseason, they're going to suck.

If Chavis shuts Jimbo down, how do the gomers spin that?  Chavis may pull a rabbit out of his ass and Morris/Traylor may score enough to win.  aggy is not some juggernaut this season despite 995 bullshit.

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17 minutes ago, lemonandaturd said:

Boom and the pigs are going to ball out.  Those games are always closer than they should be for aggy.  Boom is playing for his job and Morris/Traylor want to set the tone.  

Maybe, but I'd take Auburn beating them in week 4 over these 2 happening.

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14 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Maybe, but I'd take Auburn beating them in week 4 over these 2 happening.

They still have to get over those Mississippi juggernauts, too. State, in particular, is heavy lifting for aggy. But losing to a team as bad as Ol' Miss is certainly a doable feat for the li'l farming school, too.

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1 minute ago, Walden Ponderer said:

They still have to get over those Mississippi juggernauts, too. State, in particular, is heavy lifting for aggy. But losing to a team as bad as Ol' Miss is certainly a doable feat for the li'l farming school, too.

They are @ Ole' Miss the week after the Bama' game.

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39 minutes ago, Goodman said:

I would love you to be right but they play some really shitty teams and a few that are trending down.

Every year I root like hell for Boom and the pigs to beat them and every year they crash. 

If you begin with the premise that they will lose to bama, @clemson, @lsu, and @georgia, then it only takes one loss out of miss st, auburn, and scar to get there. It might be their second most likely record. 

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59 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

Jesus I’m not sure what’s a more entertaining read?  These brain dead circle jerk idiots at Texags or the brain dead circle jerks in the cloak room 😂

Dear God, our cloakroom needs a bomb. The Aggies don’t seem to understand that Texas is far and away running more of a pro style offense than they are. They’d have a point if it was 1995

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1 hour ago, Goodman said:

I would love you to be right but they play some really shitty teams and a few that are trending down.

Every year I root like hell for Boom and the pigs to beat them and every year they crash. 

They were so close to 8-5 and lost a shit load of defensive experience and offensive talent.

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Max Olson: How Texas A&M’s move changed the recruiting landscape in the Lone Star State

In recruiting, the narrative can often be more powerful than the numbers. And that feels especially true in the battleground state of Texas. A popular line of thinking that has endured in these post-realignment years is that Texas A&M joining the SEC in 2012 has helped knock down a fence around the state, allowing SEC schools to infiltrate and more easily swipe elite talent. The dynamics of recruiting in the Lone Star State have absolutely changed over these past seven years. But has the threat of an SEC takeover in Texas actually come true? That’s probably a loaded question, because recruiting trends are sort of like economic ones: So many things are happening concurrently that affect the landscape. Devotees of the Aggies and Longhorns might not agree on a conclusion, either, because how you see it depends on your vantage point.

But this is what the numbers tell us. Since 2013, Texas A&M has caught up to Texas when it comes to signing in-state four-star and five-star players — let’s refer to them as blue-chip recruits — as rated by the 247Sports Composite. In the recruiting classes of 2008 through 2012, the Longhorns signed 79 blue-chip recruits from the state of Texas and the Aggies landed 29. But since the 2013 class, the scoreboard for blue-chip in-state recruits reads Texas 69, Texas A&M 65. And there are many reasons for that.

But there hasn’t been quite as dramatic a change for the rest of the schools in the SEC. From 2018-12, just less than 10 percent of blue-chip recruits in Texas opted to sign with SEC schools. Add up the classes of 2013 through 2019 and, excluding Texas A&M, 16 percent of these top recruits in Texas have opted to play SEC ball. It’s an improvement, yes, but not an extreme one. There are a few different ways to explain that, too.

It’s important to understand the recruiting landscape in Texas prior to realignment and Texas A&M’s bold decision to bolt for the SEC. In the recruiting classes of 2008 through 2012, the Longhorns signed twice as many blue-chip Texas recruits as anybody else. Oklahoma signed 32 during that period, just a few more than the Aggies, and nobody else came close to competing with the volume of highly-rated talent Texas was bringing in annually. The only non-Big 12 schools who signed more than five four- or five-star recruits out of Texas during this five-year period were LSU (11), TCU (eight) and Oregon (six). That’s all.

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It’s a testament to Mack Brown, who was still at the height of his recruiting powers. This was an era when Brown and his staff were literally picking who they wanted at February junior days. The Longhorns played for a national championship and won a Fiesta Bowl during this stretch, had a Heisman Trophy finalist in Colt McCoy and were consistently producing NFL draft picks. Even a 5-7 season in 2010 did little to slow them down in recruiting. And because the Longhorns had that reputation as a recruiting powerhouse, one could also argue their commits may have been overrated to some degree by the recruiting websites.

But this also spoke volumes about the Big 12’s status at the time. Seventy-five percent of these coveted recruits in the state of Texas were choosing to play in the Big 12. Rarely did the other conferences find consistent success at stealing top Texas talent. During this five-year period, only 13 blue-chip recruits signed with Pac-12 schools, six picked Big Ten schools and just three picked ACC schools. There were a few high-profile exceptions, like Andrew Luck going to Stanford or five-star Mario Edwards picking Florida State. LSU was thriving at the time and plucked some big-time talents, primarily from the Houston area where some kids perceive LSU as practically an in-state school. Oregon had a strong run in Texas under Chip Kelly, which would eventually lead to NCAA sanctions. But the strong majority of these Texas kids were ultimately content with staying close to home.

This was a tough five-year stretch for Texas A&M football. It’s the entirety of the Mike Sherman era, which yielded a 25-25 record. And though the Aggies still signed and developed some great players during that period, their classes consistently ranked behind both Texas and Oklahoma. And then they left the Big 12. And what happened next was a confluence of so many monumental things happening in such a short period of time.

Texas A&M fired Sherman and hired Kevin Sumlin. Johnny Manziel became a Heisman-winning legend. Those two made the Aggies remarkably cool in recruits’ eyes. Texas A&M invested $483 million into first-class football facilities, fueled by ambition and high oil prices. The SEC brand, already booming from seven consecutive national champions, was growing stronger every year. Alabama continued its emergence as the dominant recruiting superpower. And the Longhorns? They fell apart. Brown was pushed out at the end of the 2013 season, and they’ve gone 33-31 ever since.

So what has that done in this state? Texas A&M has capitalized on its rapid rise and Texas’ stumbles and pulled even on elite in-state recruiting. The Aggies have so much more to sell now, with a foundation of steady success to continue building upon — 8+ wins in six of the last seven years, seven first-round NFL draft picks — and the mere timing of their move couldn’t have been more optimal. They’ve differentiated from their former Big 12 foes in a way they couldn’t before.

Though Texas continued to recruit well under Charlie Strong and is succeeding again under Tom Herman, Texas A&M has positioned itself as a far more formidable challenger. And when the post-Manziel momentum started to slow, the Aggies replaced Sumlin with an elite recruiter in Jimbo Fisher to take the program to new heights. But a lot has also changed around them. While these rivals have fiercely battled for the state’s best, they weren’t the only ones altering the Lone Star landscape.

For elite high schoolers in Texas, the choice is nowhere near as easy now as it might have been a decade ago, and more kids have become more willing to leave the region. Since 2013, 54 percent of blue-chip Texas prospects have elected to stay in-state for college. The list of non-Big 12 schools besides A&M that have signed more than five four- or five-stars out of Texas now includes LSU (16), Alabama (15), Ohio State (nine), Notre Dame (eight), Ole Miss (eight), Stanford (eight) and even UCLA (seven).

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More and more schools are managing to grab a slice of the Texas-sized pie these days, however small that may be. It’s a reminder that there’s never just one trend in progress when it comes to recruiting in Texas. A&M was growing stronger and Texas was losing its grip, but consider the many other ebbs and flows that occurred. Oklahoma turned two Texans into Heisman winners and a dozen more into NFL draft picks. Baylor won two Big 12 titles and brought in more elite talent under Art Briles. TCU’s consistency and Big 12 membership has put the Horned Frogs in contention for more blue-chip prospects. Stanford and Notre Dame have carved out their niche in the state. Ohio State, thanks in part to Herman’s efforts prior to coming to Austin, has stolen big names from Texas. Spring official visits have also made it easier for top recruits to see out-of-state schools earlier in their recruitments.

But the one trend that hasn’t materialized quite as expected was the possibility of a full-blown SEC takeover. Alabama has built a sturdy Texas pipeline that has yielded stars like Jalen Hurts, A’Shawn Robinson, Deionte Thompson and Jaylen Waddle and is always in the mix for the best of the best. LSU was already well-established in Texas and has continued to win battles for elite talents like Jamal Adams and K’Lavon Chaisson. Ole Miss made a strong but ultimately brief run in the state under former coach Hugh Freeze.

But look at the 2019 SEC rosters and you won’t find as many Texans as you’d expect. Not counting Texas A&M, there are 110 total Texans in the SEC going into this season. Half of them are playing for Arkansas (34) and Missouri (21), who have historically recruited the state well. So that leaves 55 players, or an average of about five Texans on the rest of the rosters. LSU has 16. Alabama has nine. Georgia only has three. Tennessee and Kentucky have zero. Even if these SEC schools have better access to Texas than before, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re acting on it and heavily investing in recruiting the state.

But that doesn’t mean it will stay this way, because recruiting trends are always prone to change. Perhaps this class will end up starting one. Thus far, there are 52 four- or five-star rated recruits in Texas for the 2020 class according to the 247Sports Composite. Among the 33 who are publicly committed, 14 are pledged to SEC schools. It’s entirely possible that the state’s No. 1 recruit, running back Zach Evans, ends up taking his talents there, too.

But if there’s no realignment-level shakeup in the years to come, what will cause the next shift in this state? Texas and Texas A&M are racing to get to a College Football Playoff. Can one of them pull off a national title in the near future and go on a dominant run in recruiting? Might Oklahoma be the first to do it? If those schools can’t, perhaps the state becomes even more splintered as top recruits chase championships over close-to-home comfort.

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Max Olson: How Texas A&M’s move changed the recruiting landscape in the Lone Star State

 

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In recruiting, the narrative can often be more powerful than the numbers. And that feels especially true in the battleground state of Texas. A popular line of thinking that has endured in these post-realignment years is that Texas A&M joining the SEC in 2012 has helped knock down a fence around the state, allowing SEC schools to infiltrate and more easily swipe elite talent. The dynamics of recruiting in the Lone Star State have absolutely changed over these past seven years. But has the threat of an SEC takeover in Texas actually come true? That’s probably a loaded question, because recruiting trends are sort of like economic ones: So many things are happening concurrently that affect the landscape. Devotees of the Aggies and Longhorns might not agree on a conclusion, either, because how you see it depends on your vantage point.

But this is what the numbers tell us. Since 2013, Texas A&M has caught up to Texas when it comes to signing in-state four-star and five-star players — let’s refer to them as blue-chip recruits — as rated by the 247Sports Composite. In the recruiting classes of 2008 through 2012, the Longhorns signed 79 blue-chip recruits from the state of Texas and the Aggies landed 29. But since the 2013 class, the scoreboard for blue-chip in-state recruits reads Texas 69, Texas A&M 65. And there are many reasons for that.

But there hasn’t been quite as dramatic a change for the rest of the schools in the SEC. From 2018-12, just less than 10 percent of blue-chip recruits in Texas opted to sign with SEC schools. Add up the classes of 2013 through 2019 and, excluding Texas A&M, 16 percent of these top recruits in Texas have opted to play SEC ball. It’s an improvement, yes, but not an extreme one. There are a few different ways to explain that, too.

It’s important to understand the recruiting landscape in Texas prior to realignment and Texas A&M’s bold decision to bolt for the SEC. In the recruiting classes of 2008 through 2012, the Longhorns signed twice as many blue-chip Texas recruits as anybody else. Oklahoma signed 32 during that period, just a few more than the Aggies, and nobody else came close to competing with the volume of highly-rated talent Texas was bringing in annually. The only non-Big 12 schools who signed more than five four- or five-star recruits out of Texas during this five-year period were LSU (11), TCU (eight) and Oregon (six). That’s all.

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It’s a testament to Mack Brown, who was still at the height of his recruiting powers. This was an era when Brown and his staff were literally picking who they wanted at February junior days. The Longhorns played for a national championship and won a Fiesta Bowl during this stretch, had a Heisman Trophy finalist in Colt McCoy and were consistently producing NFL draft picks. Even a 5-7 season in 2010 did little to slow them down in recruiting. And because the Longhorns had that reputation as a recruiting powerhouse, one could also argue their commits may have been overrated to some degree by the recruiting websites.

But this also spoke volumes about the Big 12’s status at the time. Seventy-five percent of these coveted recruits in the state of Texas were choosing to play in the Big 12. Rarely did the other conferences find consistent success at stealing top Texas talent. During this five-year period, only 13 blue-chip recruits signed with Pac-12 schools, six picked Big Ten schools and just three picked ACC schools. There were a few high-profile exceptions, like Andrew Luck going to Stanford or five-star Mario Edwards picking Florida State. LSU was thriving at the time and plucked some big-time talents, primarily from the Houston area where some kids perceive LSU as practically an in-state school. Oregon had a strong run in Texas under Chip Kelly, which would eventually lead to NCAA sanctions. But the strong majority of these Texas kids were ultimately content with staying close to home.

This was a tough five-year stretch for Texas A&M football. It’s the entirety of the Mike Sherman era, which yielded a 25-25 record. And though the Aggies still signed and developed some great players during that period, their classes consistently ranked behind both Texas and Oklahoma. And then they left the Big 12. And what happened next was a confluence of so many monumental things happening in such a short period of time.

Texas A&M fired Sherman and hired Kevin Sumlin. Johnny Manziel became a Heisman-winning legend. Those two made the Aggies remarkably cool in recruits’ eyes. Texas A&M invested $483 million into first-class football facilities, fueled by ambition and high oil prices. The SEC brand, already booming from seven consecutive national champions, was growing stronger every year. Alabama continued its emergence as the dominant recruiting superpower. And the Longhorns? They fell apart. Brown was pushed out at the end of the 2013 season, and they’ve gone 33-31 ever since.

So what has that done in this state? Texas A&M has capitalized on its rapid rise and Texas’ stumbles and pulled even on elite in-state recruiting. The Aggies have so much more to sell now, with a foundation of steady success to continue building upon — 8+ wins in six of the last seven years, seven first-round NFL draft picks — and the mere timing of their move couldn’t have been more optimal. They’ve differentiated from their former Big 12 foes in a way they couldn’t before.

Though Texas continued to recruit well under Charlie Strong and is succeeding again under Tom Herman, Texas A&M has positioned itself as a far more formidable challenger. And when the post-Manziel momentum started to slow, the Aggies replaced Sumlin with an elite recruiter in Jimbo Fisher to take the program to new heights. But a lot has also changed around them. While these rivals have fiercely battled for the state’s best, they weren’t the only ones altering the Lone Star landscape.

For elite high schoolers in Texas, the choice is nowhere near as easy now as it might have been a decade ago, and more kids have become more willing to leave the region. Since 2013, 54 percent of blue-chip Texas prospects have elected to stay in-state for college. The list of non-Big 12 schools besides A&M that have signed more than five four- or five-stars out of Texas now includes LSU (16), Alabama (15), Ohio State (nine), Notre Dame (eight), Ole Miss (eight), Stanford (eight) and even UCLA (seven).

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More and more schools are managing to grab a slice of the Texas-sized pie these days, however small that may be. It’s a reminder that there’s never just one trend in progress when it comes to recruiting in Texas. A&M was growing stronger and Texas was losing its grip, but consider the many other ebbs and flows that occurred. Oklahoma turned two Texans into Heisman winners and a dozen more into NFL draft picks. Baylor won two Big 12 titles and brought in more elite talent under Art Briles. TCU’s consistency and Big 12 membership has put the Horned Frogs in contention for more blue-chip prospects. Stanford and Notre Dame have carved out their niche in the state. Ohio State, thanks in part to Herman’s efforts prior to coming to Austin, has stolen big names from Texas. Spring official visits have also made it easier for top recruits to see out-of-state schools earlier in their recruitments.

But the one trend that hasn’t materialized quite as expected was the possibility of a full-blown SEC takeover. Alabama has built a sturdy Texas pipeline that has yielded stars like Jalen Hurts, A’Shawn Robinson, Deionte Thompson and Jaylen Waddle and is always in the mix for the best of the best. LSU was already well-established in Texas and has continued to win battles for elite talents like Jamal Adams and K’Lavon Chaisson. Ole Miss made a strong but ultimately brief run in the state under former coach Hugh Freeze.

But look at the 2019 SEC rosters and you won’t find as many Texans as you’d expect. Not counting Texas A&M, there are 110 total Texans in the SEC going into this season. Half of them are playing for Arkansas (34) and Missouri (21), who have historically recruited the state well. So that leaves 55 players, or an average of about five Texans on the rest of the rosters. LSU has 16. Alabama has nine. Georgia only has three. Tennessee and Kentucky have zero. Even if these SEC schools have better access to Texas than before, that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re acting on it and heavily investing in recruiting the state.

But that doesn’t mean it will stay this way, because recruiting trends are always prone to change. Perhaps this class will end up starting one. Thus far, there are 52 four- or five-star rated recruits in Texas for the 2020 class according to the 247Sports Composite. Among the 33 who are publicly committed, 14 are pledged to SEC schools. It’s entirely possible that the state’s No. 1 recruit, running back Zach Evans, ends up taking his talents there, too.

But if there’s no realignment-level shakeup in the years to come, what will cause the next shift in this state? Texas and Texas A&M are racing to get to a College Football Playoff. Can one of them pull off a national title in the near future and go on a dominant run in recruiting? Might Oklahoma be the first to do it? If those schools can’t, perhaps the state becomes even more splintered as top recruits chase championships over close-to-home comfort.

 

Once 10 wins becomes the norm around here again, the pie will swing back the other way. What they are neglecting to mention is that we were a 5 to 7 win team during most of this time. 

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They're taking PICTURES. Of the PLAYERS. What kind of candy-ass shit is this?
(Also the guy in the screenshot he used was a 5-star by one service, so yeah, no talent, uh-huh)
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The inferiority complex of these rubes is so embarrassing for them.
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I don't think they care about winning games nearly as much as they care about other programs talking about them as a worthy adversary.

This.  Thus Jimbo's look of complete relief after not getting his doors blown off vs Clemson last year.  So happy to have that signature loss.

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