A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[HenryJames 66160]

9 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

 

 

[Born to Run 6569]

He looks to be really happy and to be enjoying his golden years. Get fucked fat boy.

[Js1 85527]

20 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

the internet is written in sharpie, dipshit.

 

All the DT bros said Trump would have done this so much better! 

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

20 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sadly, this did occur.

 

Is that Cancun Cruz peeking out from under the desk? Very appropriate.

Also, what's going on in the front? Is Eric the Retarded gouging out somebody's eye?

[Macanudo 13009]

13 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Is that Cancun Cruz peeking out from under the desk? Very appropriate.

Also, what's going on in the front? Is Eric the Retarded gouging out somebody's eye?

I think that's Don, Jr on top of Eric.   

[Js1 85527]

7 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

I think that's Don, Jr on top of Eric.   

Fighting for Daddy's love without realizing he's incapable of loving any of his children but Ivanka. 

[TwiceHorn 31529]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

All the DT bros said Trump would have done this so much better! 

Yes, given the great relationship and overwhelming respect of the general staff  . . . without a doubt.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

*blink blink blink*

 

[TwiceHorn 31529]

21 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sadly, this did occur.

The show was pretty fucking hilarious in a repetitive and depressing way.

That it didn't spare Pelosi, Biden, and others made it much better.

[Js1 85527]

Ummm

[TwiceHorn 31529]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Fighting for Daddy's love without realizing he's incapable of loving any of his children but Ivanka. 

Don Jr. is no doubt howling about making an antelope eat its own ass.

[TwiceHorn 31529]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

*blink blink blink*

 

Ironically, that last phrase captures the problem.  A slow, methodical withdrawal would have been discovered for what it was, which no doubt would have set in motion a similar chain of events to what we're seeing now.

Whenever it became clear that we were leaving, it would have turned into a shitshow, pretty much any way you slice it.

[RomaVicta 29968]

15 hours ago, Bookman said:

Trump is only an alpha male to stupid people.

Stupid people who like to call other people betas then run away with hurt feelings if you don't agree.

It's an army of spineless punks sprinkled with some really dangerous psychopaths and cynics just raking in the graft. 

Sadly, it's a juggernaut. 

[Underdog 28767]

Don't forget this pussy walked out on Grandma Stahl because he couldn't handle the tough questions she was throwing at him.  

[RomaVicta 29968]

17 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

*blink blink blink*

 

You had four years, Donald, why didn't you do it that way? 

Also, should we use your model for abandoning the Kurds? That generated yooge amount of respect in the international community.

I know. I know. Preaching to the choir. 

[Chooky 13317]

10 hours ago, RPM said:

Something is going on. The hardcore Trumpkin house I drive by every day took down their Trump flags and signs and are finally flying the American flag right side up. He's losing his base.

Well, my hardcore Trumpkin neighbor still has theirs waving above the cunty snake flag and removed their American flag completely.

[Underdog 28767]

LMFAO @ America First.  It's The United States of Trump for these fucksticks.  

[TwiceHorn 31529]

26 minutes ago, Chooky said:

cunty snake flag

It's a shame that those cunts have co-opted a perfectly good and kinda cool symbol of the American Revolution.

[Pato del Muerto 52571]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's a shame that those cunts have co-opted a perfectly good and kinda cool symbol of the American Revolution.

Yep. 
 

and for their “America first” events, they use Gadsden flags, trump flags, confederate battle flags, nazi flags, regionally the use cati flags. But they don’t use American flags unless they fly them upside down because “‘murca’s in danger”

[Chooky 13317]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's a shame that those cunts have co-opted a perfectly good and kinda cool symbol of the American Revolution.

I'm also irritated about how they co-opted being a dumbass.  Our dumbasses were once amusing and loveable, like Joey from 'Friends' or Woody Boyd from 'Cheers.'  Trump dumbasses are just loud, hateful cunts who got their medical degree from Ronnie and Dwayne off of Facebook.  

[Chooky 13317]

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Yep. 
 

and for their “America first” events, they use Gadsden flags, trump flags, confederate battle flags, nazi flags, regionally the use cati flags. But they don’t use American flags unless they fly them upside down because “‘murca’s in danger”

I've seen them use the American flag but it's usually something tacky like American flag shorts or a jet ski painted like an American flag -- rarely just an American flag on a pole unaccompanied with like a muscular Trump holding a machine gun.  They love to wipe their greasy asses with the American flag.  I want to see an American flag without their dirty, potato chip finger stains all over it.

[Sawbonz 27584]

On 8/13/2021 at 8:40 AM, Beau Vine said:

Those don’t need to come any smaller than 2XL

[Horn Dog 9904]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ironically, that last phrase captures the problem.  A slow, methodical withdrawal would have been discovered for what it was, which no doubt would have set in motion a similar chain of events to what we're seeing now.

Whenever it became clear that we were leaving, it would have turned into a shitshow, pretty much any way you slice it.

Exactly.   All these secretary of state wanna be's who keep posting that it would of been so simple to have done this in a organized and responsible way are FOS.    Withdraw all US citizen first?   OK now you have tipped your hand and the result is chaos and humanitarian crisis.   Don't withdraw all citizens first?  OK now you have a different form of chaos and humanitarian crisis.  It all ends up pretty much the same with very little overall difference.

 

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Placeholder for when Trump calls MAGA bomber a patriot. 

[Guest Lobo]

I picture Trump today like Doctor Evil when he demands the sharks with lasers attached to their heads, but they can only offer him ill-tempered seabass.

"Stephen Miller!  Have my people risen up and violently overthrown the Biden regime so I can take over the World?!?"

"Not exactly sir.  Most of those people are in jail now.  Due to some legal red tape, it would take months to get them out and back to revolting."

"Dammit!  I asked for a violent upheaval in August.  Why is it so freakin' hard to get what I asked for around here?!?  Throw me a bone, people!" 

"Well, sir...we had a man drive a pickup full of fertilizer from North Carolina to the Library of Congress earlier today."

"Okay well, that's a start.  That's something."   

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2078]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

It's a shame that those cunts have co-opted a perfectly good and kinda cool symbol of the American Revolution.

Just be thankful they co-opted the gig em thumbs up and not the hook em. 

[Pato del Muerto 52571]

8 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

Just be thankful they co-opted the gig em thumbs up and not the hook em. 

The hook em has been appropriated by satanists and hard partyin’ rock ‘n rollers alike. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33887]

14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The hook em has been appropriated by satanists and hard partyin’ rock ‘n rollers alike. 

and?

[Macanudo 13009]

17 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

and?

Party on, Wayne.

[High Plains Drifter 11050]

47 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The hook em has been appropriated by satanists and hard partyin’ rock ‘n rollers alike. 

 

I believe the Spainards or somebody have co-opted to mean the evil eye.

[Brisketexan 105275]

17 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Party on, Wayne.

[henrygandorf 29194]

it was all just a ruse, stupid libs.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/

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Trump’s Pledge to Exit Afghanistan Was a Ruse, His Final SecDef Says

Chris Miller now says talk of a full withdrawal was a “play” to convince a Taliban-led government to keep U.S. counterterrorism forces.

BY PATRICK TUCKER

TECHNOLOGY EDITOR

AUGUST 18, 2021 07:41 PM ET

President Donald Trump’s top national security officials never intended to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan, according to new statements by Chris Miller, Trump’s last acting defense secretary. 

Miller said the president’s public promise to finish withdrawing U.S. forces by May 1, as negotiated with the Taliban, was actually a “play” that masked the Trump administration’s true intentions: to convince Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to quit or accept a bitter power-sharing agreement with the Taliban, and to keep some U.S. troops in Afghanistan for counterrorism missions.

In a conversation this week with Defense One, Miller revealed that while serving as the top counterterrorism official on the National Security Council in 2019, he commissioned a wargame that determined that the United States could continue to conduct counterterrorism in Afghanistan with just 800 American military personnel on the ground. And by the end of 2020, when he was acting defense secretary, Miller asserted, many Trump administration officials expected that the United States would be able to broker a new shared government in Afghanistan composed primarily of Taliban officials. The new government would then permit U.S. forces to remain in country to support the Afghan military and fight terrorist elements. 

That plan never happened, in part because Trump lost his reelection bid in November. And at least one other former senior Trump administration official questioned Miller’s retelling. But in revealing it, Miller challenged recent assertions that Trump is to blame for setting up this week’s chaotic scenes unfolding across Kabul. Miller alleged that despite Trump’s frequent public pledges to end the Afghanistan war and bring home all U.S. troops, many senior national security officials in his administration believed a total withdrawal was not inevitable. 

‘Cannot Ensure Safe Passage’: US Tells Americans in Kabul to Get to Airport On Their Own

The spectre of Trump’s public comments has lingered into the new administration. On Monday, President Joe Biden asserted that Trump’s February 2020 deal with the Taliban and subsequent troop withdrawals, along with the American public’s growing desire to end the war, left the new president just two choices: send thousands of U.S. troops back into Afghanistan for a fruitless mission or completely and quickly withdraw. 

In December, Miller touched down in Afghanistan to formally discuss with Afghan leaders the end of the U.S. troop presence. The response of then-President Ashraf Ghani surprised Miller. “I expected hostility,” he recalled in conversation with Defense One on Saturday. “Instead, he was gracious and respectful. He talked about the sacrifices of the Americans. He thanked the Gold Star families. He said, ‘You have done so much’.” 

But the tone of the discussions changed when Miller met with Ghani’s vice president, Amrullah Saleh, who had also served in key intelligence roles over the years. 

“He came in and just talked about the threat,” said Miller. “Essentially, the message was: ‘This is going to be bad. And if this happens, al-Qaeda is going to be back’.” 

The U.S. delegation and their Afghan counterparts didn’t talk strategy or go into any details about what lay ahead during the meetings, Miller said. The participants already seemed to know the bleak facts. “It would not have been appropriate to say ‘Is your Army going to collapse?’ But of course we were all thinking that.”

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While Miller acknowledged on Saturday that it would have been impossible for the United States to support the Afghanistan government forever, he said the Taliban’s rapid advance across the country and the resulting deadly chaos playing out in Kabul could have been avoided had the Biden administration heeded military and national security experts. 

Miller is a true believer in special operations forces capabilities. He landed in Afghanistan in December 2001 at the beginning of the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Later, he served as a Green Beret commander and as director of the National Counterterrorism Centers. Appointed acting defense secretary just days after Trump lost his re-election bid, Miller soon traveled to the Green Berets’ home of Fort Bragg, North Carolina, for a ceremony to elevate the authority of the special operations assistant secretary. 

Weeks later, Miller flew to Afghanistan, where he met Ghani and visited with American troops at Afghan Army’s Special Operations Command at Camp Morehead, in Wardak Province. 

"I always felt it was a huge strategic error by expanding the war. I thought the war was for special operations, small footprint,” he said at the time.  

By then, Miller knew that some in the U.S. intelligence community believed the war could become smaller once again, and sustainable. 

“We did plenty of wargames on this and we knew what the minimal force structure was,” he said this week. “The number was 800. If this all goes bad, what is the minimal force structure needed to maintain [counterterrorism] strike and reconnaissance capability? We can do it for 800, 850.” 

Defense One was able to confirm Miller’s account of the 800-personnel study independently with another former NSC staff member. 

Miller said he understood Trump’s May 1 withdrawal deal to be a negotiating tactic. 

“The whole policy strategy going forward was ‘Ghani is going to have to deal with the Taliban.’ And it wasn’t going to be a 50-50 split between the Afghan government and Taliban. We knew that. It was going to be 75-25 [majority Taliban], and then you flip this thing into an interim government,” he said.

Miller said this was his perception following a meeting of the National Security Council Deputies Committee on the Taliban negotiations, led by Amb. Zalmay Khalilzad, the lead U.S. negotiator, around February 2020. Top Trump administration officials announced the first parameters of their deal with the Taliban at the Munich Security Conference that month, in Germany, attended by Khalilzad, Ghani, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and Miller’s predecessor as defense secretary, Mike Esper.  

Pompeo offered his own recollections in a Monday appearance on Fox Business. 

“We would have demanded that the Taliban actually deliver on the conditions that we laid out in the agreement—including the agreement to engage in meaningful power-sharing agreement—something that we struggled to get them to do but made clear it was going to be a requirement before we completed our requirement to fully withdraw," Pompeo said.

But Miller said there was never meant to be a full withdrawal; the “play” was to persuade the Ghani administration to accept an interim, coalition government or quit as the Taliban demanded. A new government then would be ratified by loya jirga, a traditional Pashtun legal assembly of tribal leaders, which likely would have transferred key ministerial posts and other powers to the Taliban. 

“It wasn’t an unconditional surrender: ‘We’re leaving, heading for the door’,” Miller said. “We weren’t just going to head for the door. We were going to jam Ghani hard and make him cut a deal with the Taliban. It would have been ugly. It wouldn’t have been great. But there was no plan to just leave."

The hope was that the process would have allowed the United States, either through Ghani or his replacement, to negotiate a new status-of-forces agreement to extend the U.S. troop presence in Afghanistan under the guise of continued counterterrorism training. 

"There was going to be a new government. The Taliban wouldn’t exist as an independent entity. That deal is no longer valid. The whole idea was they would agree," Miller said. "We would have called it ‘security assistance,’ so that they could save face, but we were going to maintain a [counterterrorism] strike and reconnaissance capability."

“We were in a stalemate,” he said. “If the Taliban started massing and coming out of their insurgency state...we would have put [American] advisors with Afghan forces.” 

If the Taliban attacked Afghan and U.S. forces, the United States would better be able to respond by calling in targeted air strikes, he said. 

In the meantime, Miller argued, the interim government process would have bought the United States time to conduct an orderly evacuation in stark contrast to what is playing out in Kabul this week. 

Miller felt the process of establishing that new government also would have kept the Taliban in negotiations rather than speeding to take over Kabul. 

ln March, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley reportedly told Biden that leaving fewer than 2,500 troops could allow quick Taliban gains and re-establish a haven for extremist groups like al-Qaeda or ISIS to plan attacks against Western targets. Milley’s office this week reportedly has warned some lawmakers already that it is revising the threat level it sees from terrorists in the Middle East. 

On Wednesday, Milley said the time for reviewing past decisions on U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan will come later, but asserted that the Pentagon planned for several possible scenarios for the Taliban advance. “One of those contingencies is what we are executing right now,” he said in a press conference. 

The chairman’s office did not respond to requests to comment for this story. 

Experts long have argued over just how few U.S. troops were needed in Afghanistan to deter and respond to terrorism threats and to continue training and supporting Afghan forces. 

Mike Nagata, a retired Army three-star who directed strategic operational planning at the National Counterterrorism Center, said that he wasn't surprised to hear the 800-troop number but that it is inadequate.

“Based on my counterterrorism experience, several thousand U.S. personnel are necessary inside Afghanistan to conduct the intelligence and operational activities needed for reasonable confidence that we could thwart the creation of a new terrorist 'safe-haven' capable of transnational terrorist attacks. However, this is unrelated to what would be needed to sustain the ability of the Afghan government to secure their own population and territory from the Taliban,” said Nagata, who also commanded U.S. Special Operations Command Central. 

Even with several thousand troops, Nagata said, the counterterrorism effort would still carry significant risk because of “the enormous size of Afghanistan, the ruggedness of its terrain, and the complexity of its population."

A second former senior Trump administration official acknowledged that there were efforts, led mostly by Khalilzad, to oust Ghani in order to appease the Taliban. 

“That was what [Khalilzad] was pushing and that’s what the Taliban wanted. They wanted to get rid of the legitimate government,” said the official. 

The official acknowledged that the United States had few options for keeping the Taliban out of Kabul. “The decision space was either: keep a small U.S. counterterrorism presence along with 7,000 to 8,000 NATO troops and kind of hold down the fort and protect our counterterrorism interests, or go to zero and cede the country to the Taliban.”

However, the official disagreed strongly that Miller’s idea was workable. “The Taliban were never going to agree to let any U.S. forces stay in the country and if any U.S. official thought that was possible, I think they were a victim of wishful thinking.”  

But, said the former senior Trump administration official, the way in which the Afghan government collapsed could still have been avoided with a more gradual withdrawal.

“There’s probably a middle option to withdraw U.S. forces gradually and keep [special operations] contractors, or at least some of the contractors, in the country. I think what really undermined the Afghans was pulling all 16,000 contractors as well as all U.S. forces so abruptly. It changed the ground under their feet drastically and overnight. And there’s a psychological element if you realize that your partner of the last 20 years has just abandoned you.”

 

[Beau Vine 54381]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

it was all just a ruse, stupid libs.

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/08/trumps-pledge-exit-afghanistan-was-ruse-his-final-secdef-says/184660/

 

[C-Man 27254]

[Born to Run 6569]

Drove by a bunch of trumpers on the 336 overpass at 45 in Conroe. Several families with a giant Trump Now banner and other bs signs with little kids learning the family hobby of holding up dumb signs supporting a person who gives no shits about them. Yall that talk about the Olds dieing off to save us are wrong. Bunch of idiots are raising a new crop of idiots.

What a weird Hobbie tho.

[AnTiM 1669]

2 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Drove by a bunch of trumpers on the 336 overpass at 45 in Conroe. Several families with a giant Trump Now banner and other bs signs with little kids learning the family hobby of holding up dumb signs supporting a person who gives no shits about them. Yall that talk about the Olds dieing off to save us are wrong. Bunch of idiots are raising a new crop of idiots.

What a weird Hobbie tho.

Good thing about this is that it shows you the people you should never put your money or your trust on.

[Sawbonz 27584]

 

[4th&Five 41586]

BUT OBAMA HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY!!!!!!!

 

Edited August 21, 2021 by 4th&Five

[Chewy's Hairy Horn 868]

It’s raining there?
 

Trump isn’t going to show.

[Underdog 28767]

Good bet that's the only water most there have had hit their bodies in days/weeks. 

[SydneyCarton 48150]

3 hours ago, Born to Run said:

Drove by a bunch of trumpers on the 336 overpass at 45 in Conroe. Several families with a giant Trump Now banner and other bs signs with little kids learning the family hobby of holding up dumb signs supporting a person who gives no shits about them. Yall that talk about the Olds dieing off to save us are wrong. Bunch of idiots are raising a new crop of idiots.

What a weird Hobbie tho.

*hobby 

[aggie08 21525]

53 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

BUT OBAMA HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY!!!!!!!

 

I honestly don't understand how, individually, they don't occasionally look around and say, "Holy shit, these are some of the dumbass, ugliest people on the planet. Maybe I don't want to be associating with them."

You know, basically how I feel every time that I drive into Arizona.

[Blotto 23568]

Imagine being stuck in that shit pasture surrounded by those slack-jawed rubes. Kabul might be more tolerable at the moment. 

[AnTiM 1669]

2 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

 

Needs more lightning, lots more lightning.

[Born to Run 6569]

*hobby 

Like the airport?

Fuck me, can I blame the heat?

[Bama Chick 28596]

Y’all about to get a great visual representation of Cullman, Alabama.

Only good things to come out of Cullman are the Britt brothers (Roll Tide!) and orange rolls from All Steak restaurant.

That place only trails Sand Mountain and Haleyville for ultimate gumpness.

And it’s been pouring rain there for days and still raining. That pasture is an absolute mud bog lol.

And I can let the cat out of the bag now that the morons are already there.

One of the members of our North Alabama Women’s Democratic group owns the adjoining land.

She got the necessary permits and went through Secret Service clearance in order to set up a parking area. A PAID parking area. $20 per car.

All proceeds going to various local Democratic groups and groups like BLM, Planned Parenthood, March for Our Lives etc.

There should be an announcement next week. Letting all those Trumpanzees know exactly where their $20 went.

[Underdog 28767]

With Henri bearing down on the EC/NE, does numbnuts show up with this?  I mean, it is Alabama. 

[Chewy's Hairy Horn 868]

23 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Y’all about to get a great visual representation of Cullman, Alabama.

Only good things to come out of Cullman are the Britt brothers (Roll Tide!) and orange rolls from All Steak restaurant.

That place only trails Sand Mountain and Haleyville for ultimate gumpness.

And it’s been pouring rain there for days and still raining. That pasture is an absolute mud bog lol.

And I can let the cat out of the bag now that the morons are already there.

One of the members of our North Alabama Women’s Democratic group owns the adjoining land.

She got the necessary permits and went through Secret Service clearance in order to set up a parking area. A PAID parking area. $20 per car.

All proceeds going to various local Democratic groups and groups like BLM, Planned Parenthood, March for Our Lives etc.

There should be an announcement next week. Letting all those Trumpanzees know exactly where their $20 went.

Those orange rolls are legit, but my god, just try to get more than one.

[RDCanecutter 26466]

28 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Y’all about to get a great visual representation of Cullman, Alabama.

Only good things to come out of Cullman are the Britt brothers (Roll Tide!) and orange rolls from All Steak restaurant.

 

It's as if you forgot all about Cullman Liquidation. Buy a trailer. Or don't. I don't care.

PS CSB: Cigarette Girl had a second act working at the vets office where we'd take our pups. I asked her about the commercial. She waxed eloquent.

 

[RDCanecutter 26466]

75% chance of thunderstorms by 9pm, humidity 97% in that bog. If Trump doesn't show up, maybe they can stage a WW1 Flanders reenactment.